Re: son jake

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My dd suffered with intrusive thoughts, but we needed to medicate. Were you

told how long treatment would need to continue before your son has relief? Are

you against meds or is your treatment team or is just felt it isn't

necessary? Meds are a lifesaver for my daughter, but she is also bipolar. Is

your son

functional without meds? Good luck. Kim

In a message dated 1/9/2008 2:22:06 P.M. Central Standard Time,

colleenstearns@... writes:

Wow. This is scary to read. We were assured by my son's treatment team

that he could be treated with CBT/ERP and without meds. The doc and therapists

in the program told us that it has worked for other kids and could work for

Jake too. Now you have me worried.

Are anyone else's kids with the intrusive thougts being treated successfully

WITHOUT meds???~Colleen

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Wow. This is scary to read. We were assured by my son's treatment team that he

could be treated with CBT/ERP and without meds. The doc and therapists in the

program told us that it has worked for other kids and could work for Jake too.

Now you have me worried.

Are anyone else's kids with the intrusive thougts being treated successfully

WITHOUT meds???~Colleen

colleenstearns@...; @...:

jachster@...: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:04:34 -0500Subject:

son jake

Hi Colleen,I hope i have the right person. i was so surprised to hear your son

isn't on meds. we are the most anti-med people i know, but i can't imagine not

having our dd on meds. There must be a way to hospitalize him and try different

meds safely to see what would happen. He may find something that puts his mind

to rest. my parents did not see my brothers problems until he was over 18 and

having serious problems. he was never on meds in order to develop more normally.

he struggled for years with bad thoughts and inappropriate sexual thoughts. it

was only after he was 18 and in college that his behavior got out of control, he

jumped out of a window in my parents house and lucky for him landed on an awning

and only broke his arm. He was taken to the mental hospital for a short stay.

unfortunately, my parent did nothing to get some kind of legal control over him.

my brother is a musical genius and incredibly bright. I can only wonder what his

life might have been like if he had had medication with treatment early on when

he first started struggling.i wish to this day that my parents had acted earlier

and found him the right meds. by the time he was over 18 i wish they had become

his legal guardians so they could have insisted on treatment and or the long

term risperdal that they put under the skin it lasts for 3 months.His condition

has worsened and he lives on the streets and in a park, he is so smart that he

knows that if he doesn't talk to the " crisis team " that we have sent out to take

him into treatment that they cannot bring him in. if he won't talk they can't

evaluate him. He is too paranoid now to get the help he needs. If in the future

he has to seek help from a hospital i can only pray that some social worker will

try to get him some help. He lives many states away and I cannot monitor

him.Take action now to properly medicate and get treatment while you have legal

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Yes, there are many people that are very successfully treated for intrusive

thoughts without meds. My son is one of them. How old is your son?

in TN

Colleen Stearns <colleenstearns@...> wrote:

Wow. This is scary to read. We were assured by my son's treatment team that he

could be treated with CBT/ERP and without meds. The doc and therapists in the

program told us that it has worked for other kids and could work for Jake too.

Now you have me worried.

Are anyone else's kids with the intrusive thougts being treated successfully

WITHOUT meds???~Colleen

colleenstearns@...; @...:

jachster@...: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:04:34 -0500Subject:

son jake

Hi Colleen,I hope i have the right person. i was so surprised to hear your son

isn't on meds. we are the most anti-med people i know, but i can't imagine not

having our dd on meds. There must be a way to hospitalize him and try different

meds safely to see what would happen. He may find something that puts his mind

to rest. my parents did not see my brothers problems until he was over 18 and

having serious problems. he was never on meds in order to develop more normally.

he struggled for years with bad thoughts and inappropriate sexual thoughts. it

was only after he was 18 and in college that his behavior got out of control, he

jumped out of a window in my parents house and lucky for him landed on an awning

and only broke his arm. He was taken to the mental hospital for a short stay.

unfortunately, my parent did nothing to get some kind of legal control over him.

my brother is a musical genius and incredibly bright. I can only wonder what his

life might have been like if he

had had medication with treatment early on when he first started struggling.i

wish to this day that my parents had acted earlier and found him the right meds.

by the time he was over 18 i wish they had become his legal guardians so they

could have insisted on treatment and or the long term risperdal that they put

under the skin it lasts for 3 months.His condition has worsened and he lives on

the streets and in a park, he is so smart that he knows that if he doesn't talk

to the " crisis team " that we have sent out to take him into treatment that they

cannot bring him in. if he won't talk they can't evaluate him. He is too

paranoid now to get the help he needs. If in the future he has to seek help from

a hospital i can only pray that some social worker will try to get him some

help. He lives many states away and I cannot monitor him.Take action now to

properly medicate and get treatment while you have legal

control.**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in

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I just reread your posts. It does sound as if his thoughts are very bothersome.

Obviously, his treatment team would be better able to make recommendations than

I. My son's thoughts were not quite so dynamic. Perhaps meds would help lessen

the anxiety for him beind the thoughts.

Take Care,

c ward <cward_ri@...> wrote:

Yes, there are many people that are very successfully treated for

intrusive thoughts without meds. My son is one of them. How old is your son?

in TN

Colleen Stearns <colleenstearns@...> wrote:

Wow. This is scary to read. We were assured by my son's treatment team that he

could be treated with CBT/ERP and without meds. The doc and therapists in the

program told us that it has worked for other kids and could work for Jake too.

Now you have me worried.

Are anyone else's kids with the intrusive thougts being treated successfully

WITHOUT meds???~Colleen

colleenstearns@...; @...:

jachster@...: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:04:34 -0500Subject:

son jake

Hi Colleen,I hope i have the right person. i was so surprised to hear your son

isn't on meds. we are the most anti-med people i know, but i can't imagine not

having our dd on meds. There must be a way to hospitalize him and try different

meds safely to see what would happen. He may find something that puts his mind

to rest. my parents did not see my brothers problems until he was over 18 and

having serious problems. he was never on meds in order to develop more normally.

he struggled for years with bad thoughts and inappropriate sexual thoughts. it

was only after he was 18 and in college that his behavior got out of control, he

jumped out of a window in my parents house and lucky for him landed on an awning

and only broke his arm. He was taken to the mental hospital for a short stay.

unfortunately, my parent did nothing to get some kind of legal control over him.

my brother is a musical genius and incredibly bright. I can only wonder what his

life might have been like if he

had had medication with treatment early on when he first started struggling.i

wish to this day that my parents had acted earlier and found him the right meds.

by the time he was over 18 i wish they had become his legal guardians so they

could have insisted on treatment and or the long term risperdal that they put

under the skin it lasts for 3 months.His condition has worsened and he lives on

the streets and in a park, he is so smart that he knows that if he doesn't talk

to the " crisis team " that we have sent out to take him into treatment that they

cannot bring him in. if he won't talk they can't evaluate him. He is too

paranoid now to get the help he needs. If in the future he has to seek help from

a hospital i can only pray that some social worker will try to get him some

help. He lives many states away and I cannot monitor him.Take action now to

properly medicate and get treatment while you have legal

control.**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in

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Colleen,

I also agree with jachster I think there must be a way to hospitalized

your son and try different meds. My dd had severe ocd and bad thoughts

and was hospitalized. They had to try several meds before they found

the right ones. She suffered a lot. When the thoughts are constantly

there they sometime need a antipsychotic med with an antidepressant.

My dd was put on risperdal. For her it worked but because her ocd was

so severe we had to put the dose real high and it made her like a

zombie. She had to take Zyprexa instead. However, she gained 30 +

pounds but it worked. Risperdal would be my first choice it has least

side effect.The psy put her on Topomax and she lose approx. 20 pounds.

As far as antidepressant she took Zoloft, Prozac, Effexor, Anafranil,

Neurontin, Lithium, ect... all while she was there I swear the psy.

did not no what to do with her. She is now on Lamictal and Celexa and

doing well. She went manic with the Prozac.

As you can see we had to try different meds before something worked.

She was hospitalized for 9 months. The good news is we never ever

thought our dd could take biology or history at school. She is just

finishing her semester. The diseases with bio and the wars and

killings with history. This is what brought her to the hospital.

Your son might have sexual thoughts but in a year from now it could be

all gone and it could be something else. Please consider medicating

your child again.

>

> Hi Colleen,

> I hope i have the right person. i was so surprised to hear your son

isn't on

> meds. we are the most anti-med people i know, but i can't imagine

not having

> our dd on meds. There must be a way to hospitalize him and try

different meds

> safely to see what would happen. He may find something that puts

his mind

> to rest.

>

> my parents did not see my brothers problems until he was over 18 and

having

> serious problems. he was never on meds in order to develop more

normally. he

> struggled for years with bad thoughts and inappropriate sexual

thoughts. it

> was only after he was 18 and in college that his behavior got out of

control,

> he jumped out of a window in my parents house and lucky for him

landed on an

> awning and only broke his arm. He was taken to the mental hospital

for a

> short stay. unfortunately, my parent did nothing to get some kind

of legal

> control over him. my brother is a musical genius and incredibly

bright. I can only

> wonder what his life might have been like if he had had medication

with

> treatment early on when he first started struggling.

>

> i wish to this day that my parents had acted earlier and found him

the right

> meds. by the time he was over 18 i wish they had become his legal

guardians

> so they could have insisted on treatment and or the long term

risperdal that

> they put under the skin it lasts for 3 months.

>

> His condition has worsened and he lives on the streets and in a

park, he is

> so smart that he knows that if he doesn't talk to the " crisis team "

that we

> have sent out to take him into treatment that they cannot bring him

in. if he

> won't talk they can't evaluate him. He is too paranoid now to get

the help he

> needs. If in the future he has to seek help from a hospital i can

only pray

> that some social worker will try to get him some help. He lives many

states

> away and I cannot monitor him.

>

> Take action now to properly medicate and get treatment while you

have legal

> control.

>

>

>

> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.

> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Colleen,

I also agree with jachster I think there must be a way to hospitalized

your son and try different meds. My dd had severe ocd and bad thoughts

and was hospitalized. They had to try several meds before they found

the right ones. She suffered a lot. When the thoughts are constantly

there they sometime need a antipsychotic med with an antidepressant.

My dd was put on risperdal. For her it worked but because her ocd was

so severe we had to put the dose real high and it made her like a

zombie. She had to take Zyprexa instead. However, she gained 30 +

pounds but it worked. Risperdal would be my first choice it has least

side effect.The psy put her on Topomax and she lose approx. 20 pounds.

As far as antidepressant she took Zoloft, Prozac, Effexor, Anafranil,

Neurontin, Lithium, ect... all while she was there I swear the psy.

did not no what to do with her. She is now on Lamictal and Celexa and

doing well. She went manic with the Prozac.

As you can see we had to try different meds before something worked.

She was hospitalized for 9 months. The good news is we never ever

thought our dd could take biology or history at school. She is just

finishing her semester. The diseases with bio and the wars and

killings with history. This is what brought her to the hospital.

Your son might have sexual thoughts but in a year from now it could be

all gone and it could be something else. Please consider medicating

your child again.

>

> Hi Colleen,

> I hope i have the right person. i was so surprised to hear your son

isn't on

> meds. we are the most anti-med people i know, but i can't imagine

not having

> our dd on meds. There must be a way to hospitalize him and try

different meds

> safely to see what would happen. He may find something that puts

his mind

> to rest.

>

> my parents did not see my brothers problems until he was over 18 and

having

> serious problems. he was never on meds in order to develop more

normally. he

> struggled for years with bad thoughts and inappropriate sexual

thoughts. it

> was only after he was 18 and in college that his behavior got out of

control,

> he jumped out of a window in my parents house and lucky for him

landed on an

> awning and only broke his arm. He was taken to the mental hospital

for a

> short stay. unfortunately, my parent did nothing to get some kind

of legal

> control over him. my brother is a musical genius and incredibly

bright. I can only

> wonder what his life might have been like if he had had medication

with

> treatment early on when he first started struggling.

>

> i wish to this day that my parents had acted earlier and found him

the right

> meds. by the time he was over 18 i wish they had become his legal

guardians

> so they could have insisted on treatment and or the long term

risperdal that

> they put under the skin it lasts for 3 months.

>

> His condition has worsened and he lives on the streets and in a

park, he is

> so smart that he knows that if he doesn't talk to the " crisis team "

that we

> have sent out to take him into treatment that they cannot bring him

in. if he

> won't talk they can't evaluate him. He is too paranoid now to get

the help he

> needs. If in the future he has to seek help from a hospital i can

only pray

> that some social worker will try to get him some help. He lives many

states

> away and I cannot monitor him.

>

> Take action now to properly medicate and get treatment while you

have legal

> control.

>

>

>

> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.

> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My son also has mostly bad thoughts ocd. He is 8. We haven't had to use meds,

yet. He is doing really well right now, but it seems to come and go. We did the

inosital powder and omega 3 and that seems to kick out the last of it when it

flares up. He was pretty mild to moderate though. I do worry that he will have

sexual bad thoughts, because right now, he has bad thoughts about kissing. And

that is all he knows about sex, is kissing. So, I know it is possible that he

will have these as well once he learns more. His thoughts were pretty violent

when things got really bad, about a year and a half ago. But often now they are

about wanting others to be his parents, or kissing a girl, or boy. His main

ritual was to tell me the bad thoughts in this sing song way and then say

" butIdon'tmeanthat " quickly afterwards. Lately, he hasn't really said the bad

thoughts. I wonder if he is still having them. But, he seems to want to ignore

it. Which is working for him. Since his compulsion was to tell, mostly me,

well, okay, only me, then I started limiting when how much he could tell me and

when. I do have to let it flare up a bit before we can squash it back. But, it

works pretty well. I guess that would be the ERP for bad thoughts.

Sorry for the babbling, I'm on my first cup of coffee. We haven't had to use

meds, yet, I always say yet, because I know that if his quality of life were to

suffer greatly, we would try meds. We've been very fortunate so far that he has

been doing so well. Good luck and I'm sure you will make the best decision for

your son.

J

son jake

Hi Colleen,I hope i have the right person. i was so surprised to hear your son

isn't on meds. we are the most anti-med people i know, but i can't imagine not

having our dd on meds. There must be a way to hospitalize him and try different

meds safely to see what would happen. He may find something that puts his mind

to rest. my parents did not see my brothers problems until he was over 18 and

having serious problems. he was never on meds in order to develop more normally.

he struggled for years with bad thoughts and inappropriate sexual thoughts. it

was only after he was 18 and in college that his behavior got out of control, he

jumped out of a window in my parents house and lucky for him landed on an awning

and only broke his arm. He was taken to the mental hospital for a short stay.

unfortunately, my parent did nothing to get some kind of legal control over him.

my brother is a musical genius and incredibly bright. I can only wonder what his

life might have been like if he

had had medication with treatment early on when he first started struggling.i

wish to this day that my parents had acted earlier and found him the right meds.

by the time he was over 18 i wish they had become his legal guardians so they

could have insisted on treatment and or the long term risperdal that they put

under the skin it lasts for 3 months.His condition has worsened and he lives on

the streets and in a park, he is so smart that he knows that if he doesn't talk

to the " crisis team " that we have sent out to take him into treatment that they

cannot bring him in. if he won't talk they can't evaluate him. He is too

paranoid now to get the help he needs. If in the future he has to seek help from

a hospital i can only pray that some social worker will try to get him some

help. He lives many states away and I cannot monitor him.Take action now to

properly medicate and get treatment while you have legal

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My son also has mostly bad thoughts ocd. He is 8. We haven't had to use meds,

yet. He is doing really well right now, but it seems to come and go. We did the

inosital powder and omega 3 and that seems to kick out the last of it when it

flares up. He was pretty mild to moderate though. I do worry that he will have

sexual bad thoughts, because right now, he has bad thoughts about kissing. And

that is all he knows about sex, is kissing. So, I know it is possible that he

will have these as well once he learns more. His thoughts were pretty violent

when things got really bad, about a year and a half ago. But often now they are

about wanting others to be his parents, or kissing a girl, or boy. His main

ritual was to tell me the bad thoughts in this sing song way and then say

" butIdon'tmeanthat " quickly afterwards. Lately, he hasn't really said the bad

thoughts. I wonder if he is still having them. But, he seems to want to ignore

it. Which is working for him. Since his compulsion was to tell, mostly me,

well, okay, only me, then I started limiting when how much he could tell me and

when. I do have to let it flare up a bit before we can squash it back. But, it

works pretty well. I guess that would be the ERP for bad thoughts.

Sorry for the babbling, I'm on my first cup of coffee. We haven't had to use

meds, yet, I always say yet, because I know that if his quality of life were to

suffer greatly, we would try meds. We've been very fortunate so far that he has

been doing so well. Good luck and I'm sure you will make the best decision for

your son.

J

son jake

Hi Colleen,I hope i have the right person. i was so surprised to hear your son

isn't on meds. we are the most anti-med people i know, but i can't imagine not

having our dd on meds. There must be a way to hospitalize him and try different

meds safely to see what would happen. He may find something that puts his mind

to rest. my parents did not see my brothers problems until he was over 18 and

having serious problems. he was never on meds in order to develop more normally.

he struggled for years with bad thoughts and inappropriate sexual thoughts. it

was only after he was 18 and in college that his behavior got out of control, he

jumped out of a window in my parents house and lucky for him landed on an awning

and only broke his arm. He was taken to the mental hospital for a short stay.

unfortunately, my parent did nothing to get some kind of legal control over him.

my brother is a musical genius and incredibly bright. I can only wonder what his

life might have been like if he

had had medication with treatment early on when he first started struggling.i

wish to this day that my parents had acted earlier and found him the right meds.

by the time he was over 18 i wish they had become his legal guardians so they

could have insisted on treatment and or the long term risperdal that they put

under the skin it lasts for 3 months.His condition has worsened and he lives on

the streets and in a park, he is so smart that he knows that if he doesn't talk

to the " crisis team " that we have sent out to take him into treatment that they

cannot bring him in. if he won't talk they can't evaluate him. He is too

paranoid now to get the help he needs. If in the future he has to seek help from

a hospital i can only pray that some social worker will try to get him some

help. He lives many states away and I cannot monitor him.Take action now to

properly medicate and get treatment while you have legal

control.**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in

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