Viruses

July 29, 1999

> From: Philip L Comer <philcome@...>

>

> Does anyone know of any other approaches to killing

> viruses?

You may want to check out Mark Konlee's site at:

http://www.execpc.com/~keephope/keephope.html

> One approach that intrigued me was trying food grade hydrogen

> peroxide orally. Has anyone had experience with that?

I've tried that. Didn't seem to do any good that I could tell. However,

I'm very resistant to therapy for some reason or another. There are

only a very few things that I've found helpful.

> And she

> indicated

> that the viruses could be activated from vaccines I received years ago.

> Has anyone heard of such a thing?

Yes. I'm amazed that a doctor would understand this! For more info

see Dr. Horowitz's web site about vaccine horrors:

http://www.tetrahedron.com

Patti

--

July 29, 1999

Phil: I have done some homeopathics. I am not sure what your symptoms are

but I have a homeopathic version of HGH. Human Growth Hormone. Its

expensive but I like it and it gives me energy. Don't take it too close to

bedtime...you'll be jacked up all night. Get it in the spray kind. Also, I

have taken something called Probiotics which helps fight stomache bacteria by

giving other good bacteria Homeopathy is great but a warning that you can

spend a fortune on what they call supplements. It gets out of hand

sometimes. I have had very good results pain and energywise at times with

regular chiropractic adjustment. xoxoxoxoxo Shell

February 2, 2000

--- gts <gts@...> wrote:

>

> > Is a virus larger than a bacteria molecule or is

> it the other way

> > around.

>

> A molecule is tiny structure of atoms, like a water

> molecule H2O which is two hydrogen atoms and an

oxygen atom. Everything is made of molecules.

>

> A bacterium is a tiny one-celled organism made of

> trillions of molecules.

>

> A virus is made of many molecules but it is tiny

> compared to a bacterium.

> Viruses are basically little hard shells that

> contain molecules of DNA or

> RNA.

>

> Viruses have always fascinated me because they seem

> to be somewhere in the

> middle between living organisms and dead inanimate

> objects. They are alive

> only by the broadest sense of the word, in that the

> information in the

> genetic material contained inside the shell is

> replicated when new viruses

> are made in the cells of the host organism. I view

> them as proof that there

> is really no clear philosophical distinction between

> living things and dead

> things. We draw the line arbitrarily.

>

> -gts

>

So a virus is really just like a short " computer

program " ? It contains the information in the DNA or

RNA and then just duplicates it in the cells of the

host? Is that how we can imagine it? So if we get

the flu, caused by a virus, how does our body finally

stop the disease?

=====

Ellis Toussier

See Table of Contents of all my Rejuvenation pages

http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5000/table.html

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February 2, 2000

Ellis,

> So a virus is really just like a short " computer program " ?

Yes, and some computer programs are just like viruses. (Windoze 95, for

example.

> It contains the information in the DNA or

> RNA and then just duplicates it in the cells of the

> host? Is that how we can imagine it?

Yes, I imagine viruses to look like little oddly shaped balls that contain

strands of genetic material. They manage to make their way into cells by

various sneaky mechanisms and then use the machinery inside the cell to

produce more copies of themselves. They cannot breed or multiply on their

own, which is among the reasons it is hard to consider them living

organisms.

> So if we get the flu, caused by a virus, how does our body finally stop

the disease?

This is a huge complicated field about which I know very very ittle. But

that's never stopped me before so here goes...

Basically a type of white blood cell -- the " B " type I think -- creates

antibodies to a particular virus after the immune system first encounters

it. Antibodies are protein molecules that bind to the virus and prevent it

from binding to cells, or in other ways prevent it from acting. Once the

immune system starts making these antibodies it is almost impossible for the

virus to live in the immunized host body. It is possible to trick the immune

system into thinking it encountered a particular virus by injecting the body

with a dead or less dangerous form of it. This is how we stopped the polio

virus in America, for example, and this is why everyone should get a flu

shot.

Some viruses are tough to beat because they keep mutating. The HIV virus is

one such virus. I'm not sure why the herpes virus is so tough but it's

likely due to the fact that it too keeps mutating, and/or that there are so

many strains of it. Likewise with the common cold.

It's thought that polio became a problem as a result of improved sanitation

in the 1900's. The virus was around for centuries but was held in check by

the immune systems of infants and toddlers. It became an epidemic because

improved sanitation resulted in many people becoming adults without ever

having been exposed to the virus. Most adults did not have the necessary

antibody and this gave the virus an opportunity to spread and kill hundreds

of thousands of people before we finally invented a vaccine.

-gts

April 26, 2001

At 10:16 AM 4/26/2001 , Angel wrote:

>how do i find out what virus it is i got it from this groups i know it

>wasnt on purpose just like im not doing it on pupose i want to fix it so

>it stops giving it to other people

You have the virus called W32.Badtrans.

Go to http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.badtrans.13312mm (DOT) html

to learn to remove it from your system.

Please don't use your email program to email anyone until you have removed it.

Len

May 29, 2001

HOWEVER, there are some 50,000 real viruses out there, and if you're reading

this

message, it means you have access to e-mail, most likely on your own computer.

Some older viruses are relatively benign, but many new viruses can cause serious

damage to the files on your computer. Unless you remembered to buy AND use that

back-up device for your computer (I have an 8 GB tape drive), once something is

gone, it's gone forever unless you have it on a CD or diskette you know to be

virus free. There are a few very good antivirus software packages out there.

Buy one, and keep it updated. Personally I like Norton Antivirus, but McAfee is

also good. For around $60, you can buy some software that will protect your

computer from viruses. Now, you can buy a new hard drive for a couple hundred

bucks, but how much is the information stored on that hard drive worth to you?

How long would it take to replace it, and how much time, energy and money would

it cost?

For me, if I had a complete hard drive crash I could be up and running in about

3

hours. NAV scans and protects against 49404 viruses on my machine. It IS worth

considering.....

Me.

dawn rose wrote:

> So sorry everyone - I feel an absolute fool having passed this on to you all

> - it is a hoax, I just got panicky about the 1st of June part of it.

>

> The file you were instructed to delete IS indeed a normal part of the

> microsoft set up. Do hope you didn't delete it. Below is a letter from my

> brother who checked it out before he did anything about it ( he's a bit more

> IT than me!). Sorry if I panicked you into delting the file too, I think

> you have to reinstall it somehow, but will have to check taht out.

> APOLOGIES AGAIN

> DAWN ROSE

>

> >From: " Jeff & Jane Rose " <jrls21643@...>

> > " dawn rose " <getdawnrose@...>

> >Subject: Re: URGENT - VIRUS Warning! activates 1st June -SULFNBK.EXE

> >Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:41:50 +0100

> >

> >Dawn

> >

> >I think this is a hoax.

> >

> >The way the warning is written is all wrong and I can not see how a file

> >that is not yet an active virus can attach its self to e-mails and spread -

> >that is what an active virus does.

> >

> > I have checked my computer and file is there but I also checked the kids

> >computer and the file exists there too, the Kids computer has never been

> >connected to the internet nor have any floppies been used on it since I set

> >it up, so I think the file must have been part of the original Microsoft

> >programming.

> >

> >I have run this past an IT friend of mine (he is an IT head for HSBC), he

> >has never heard of this issue and also thinks it is probably a hoax.

> >

> >I have also been on the Microsoft Web and found that this file sulfnbk.exe

> >is listed in the directory of file contents for Windows 98 2nd Ed CD-ROM.

> >I

> >therefore think it should probably be there and is not a virus, unless of

> >course Microsoft themselves are now writing viruses and hiding them in

> >there

> >operating systems. see internet address below and check it out for

> >yourself.

> >

> >http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q238/6/64.ASP?LN=EN-GB & SD=g

> >n & FR=0

> >

> >However I will take the Info into work tomorrow and check it out with my IT

> >department - I'll let you know the feedback.

> >

> >I'll also e-mail you a copy of the file to re-install if you want - once I

> >get it confirmed as a hoax.

> >

> >In the mean time you might want to forward this on to all your friends

> >advising them that they might want to hold off doing anything until they

> >have check it out properly.

> >

> > Re: VIRUS Warning! SULFNBK.EXE

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > A friend e-mailed me as follows:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bob Halfyard:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > THIS IS AN EMAIL THAT I RECEIVED THIS MORNING, AND SURE

> > > >ENOUGH,

> > > >IT

> > > > > > WAS

> > > > > > > > > > ON MY COMPUTER. CHECK YOURS NOW AND KEEP CHECKING IT UNTIL

> > > >JUNE

> > > > > 1!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It was brought to my attention yesterday that a virus was

> >on

> > > >all

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > our computers here at work. I do not know how long it has

> >been

> > > >on

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > computers, but Virus software can not detect it. It will

> >not

> > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > > active until June 1, 2001, at that point it will become

> >active

> > > >and

> > > > > > > > > > will be to late.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It wipes out all files and folders on the hard drive. This

> > > >virus

> > > > > > > > > > travels thru E-mail and migrates to the

> >'C:\windows\command'

> > > > > folder.

> > > > > > > > > > To find it and get rid of it off of your

> > > > > > > > > > computer, do the following.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Go to the " START " button.

> > > > > > > > > > Go to " FIND " or " SEARCH "

> > > > > > > > > > Go to " FILES & FOLDERS "

> > > > > > > > > > Make sure the find box is searching the " C: " drive.

> > > > > > > > > > Type in; SULFNBK.EXE

> > > > > > > > > > Begin search.

> > > > > > > > > > If it finds it, highlight it.

> > > > > > > > > > Go to 'File' and delete it.

> > > > > > > > > > Close the find Dialog box

> > > > > > > > > > Open the Recycle Bin

> > > > > > > > > > Find the file and delete it from the Recycle bin

> > > > > > > > > > You should be safe.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The bad part is: You need to contact everyone you have

> >sent

> > > >ANY

> > > > > > E-mail

> > > > > > > > > > to in the past few months. I do not know how long this has

> > > >been

> > > >on

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > computers. Two computers

> > > > > > > > > > at Midlands Tech. have been found with this virus on it.

> >One

> >I

> > > >had

> > > > > > > > > > sent E-mail to, one I have not.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > DO NOT RELY ON YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE. McAFEE NOR NORTON

> >CAN

> > > > > > DETECT

> > > > > > > > > > IT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT BECOME A VIRUS UNTIL JUNE 1ST. IT

> >WILL

> > > >BE

> > > > > TO

> > > > > > > > > > LATE THEN. WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

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September 2, 2001

In a message dated 9/2/2001 9:56:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

eskieluvr@... writes:

> the

> list abotu 6 weeks ago. Luckily for me, I have a computer genius

> sleeping in the bed with me everynight, so it was back up that

> evening. But I lost a lot of email addresses, and emails that I had

> wanted to save, and all of my pre-op files.

>

Manda,

I got the Trojan virus from the list too....... BOOHOO, it was so innocent,

It was from a very nice lady on the list and the subject line said can you

help me with this? So I opened it and downloaded it.

Now everything in my computer is gone..boohoo did I already say that... BE

careful! And my new motto is back-up back-up back-up.

Trish

September 3, 2001

Trish,

I had a virus months earlier (I still am not sure from who or even when)

and had to clean my hard drive, I too lost everything and am in the

process of building back my lists. I got that " nice lady " " please help

me with this " E-Mail as well. I just deleted it because I did not know

her and I was freshly traumatized by the last virus. be careful

everyone!!! I even am reluctant to open attachments from people I know,

not because I do not trust them, but because of the Trojans, worms, and

piggyback viruses!!! I am not computer literate nor is my hubby, we have

been fortunate that the last virus was the first time this happened to

us, ignorant as we are!!!!

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September 19, 2001

Hi everyone,

I don't post much, because I work so many hours. But just in case, I wanted

to let you know, I work for Deloitte & Touche Consulting, we are a worldwide

consulting firm. We just received a voice mail asking everyone to get

totally off the internet because of this virus. They said they would let us

know via voice mail when it was safe to sign back onto the internet. If we

are using internal networks at our own Company, it seems to be still secure.

But anything that takes out the the worldwide web is causing extreme damage

to computers and servers.

Just thought you might like to know. Hope you have all your files backed-up

Re: Viruses

Let me know if that helps, now I am getting sicko porno postings!! I

signed as " The line they just crossed " !!! LOL I am reporting (and I

replied to let them know) them to my server and the Federal Sex Crimes

Unit to be investigated!!!

I need to block these sickos from my e-mail!!!

On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 06:17:25 -0500 " wwmohler " <wwmohler@...> writes:

> I was sending out viruses recently without even knowing it. Several

> from this list were among the first to tell me of that. Then I got

> a warning from my internet provider and lastly a more stern warning

> from them telling me if I didn't do something they were going to

> shut down my service. Then... they got hit. According to a friend

> of mine who works on computers for a living he says the people

> responsible for this are getting more cunning and are now able to go

> into internet providers, tap their subscriptions lists and send out

> emails to your address books all without your knowledge. Which

> brings up my question how do you block peoples emails? I did just

> recently read that if you entered the email address : !000 that it

> will stop those mass emailings these viruses do because it will not

> go on and send emails when it doesn't recognize an email address to

> your whole address book.

>

> in MN

>

September 19, 2001