Viruses

[Guest guest]

> Isn't it interesting that

your son's viral count later was normal?<

Dr. explained to us that lab tests won't show the viral load of our

kids. The HHV-6 hides in the nerves and escapes detection by conventional

means. The antiviral some how pulls it out and aids the body in getting rid of

it. This particular virus causes other problems apparently than just what our

kids experience. It is prevalent though in sensory issues even involving

adults. When I asked him how he got into the area of treating children with

autism he said he was asked to by other doctors due to his high success in

treating adult " head " and sensory issues. We all really like him persoally too.

[Guest guest]

Gaylen,

I always gave my son milk thistle just in case something could be hard on

the liver.

R

[Guest guest]

No I get them too and just delete them. I just think it's a condition of and that the group is an easy target to post to and then send out through members. Anyway that's what think.

joel

This is in no way intended as medical advice nor to be construed as anything that would inhibit one from seeking medical advice or to question the physicians Government Granted Authority. Remember we don't know anything about our bodies and should therefore leave them in the hands of the professionals.

Viruses

Am I the only one getting viruses from posts? =This one came in with a virus. I am also getting quite a few from =Russ@.... These viruses always come in with an =attachment. My Norton picks them up.jacksonThe group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla devices and other things useful in research. These are free to members. Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our freedom of speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are ordinary lay people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any kind. The information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most group members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice. The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG

[Guest guest]

Thanks, that is what I have been doing too. Will continue deleting.

jackson

Viruses

Am I the only one getting viruses from posts? =This one came in with a virus. I am also getting quite a few from =Russ@.... These viruses always come in with an =attachment. My Norton picks them up.jacksonThe group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla devices and other things useful in research. These are free to members. Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our freedom of speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are ordinary lay people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any kind. The information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most group members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice. The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla devices and other things useful in research. These are free to members. Membership is free, but you agree to be on your own, not take our freedom of speech as medical advice. We are not doctors! Repeat, we are ordinary lay people, not experts, not healthy officials, or geniuses of any kind. The information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most group members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice. The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything a! bout repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Sorry it took so long for me to respond but I havent been able to get on the

internet explorer because some kind of ad ware has screwed up my ability to

logon to the web.

As far as my suspecting that a virus is still involved, it's just a guess. But

a chiropractors using reflexology determined that I had a virus & also that I

had candida.

I'd been fighting candida for years. The same chiropracter also determined that

I had a high mercury level. He gave me an herbal preparation that I took for

about 3 months to get rid of it.

Apparently it worked or he was wrong in the first place because the Chelation

pee sample showed no mercury. I mention this because I've read that mercury is a

strong antibactial agent.

It was used at one time as an antibiotic to fight syphilus. I think this is why

my poop samples always showed high yeast but very little beneficial bacteria.

Since I took the cure for mercury I've had no problem with yeast and my poop

samples confirm this along with good growth of acidophilus.

If your interested in looking into this yourself you could contact Dr.

Cushing at the Clymer Healing Research center in Quakertown, Pa. He's the

chiropracter I saw. I don't know whether you've heard of them but the treat

exclusively people who suffer from chronic fatigue. They are very very nice

people. They have low cost housing in a rather secluded area that you can stay

at for days, or even weeks while you receive treatment there.

As for heavy metals I have now, uranium isn't one of them? I have 3 times the

normal upper range of lead, twice the normal of nickel, & about 10 times the

high end of bismuth which is really a mystery since the only source for that

that I can think of is PeptoBismal which I may have taken a half dozen times in

my entire life.

As far as how I got these metals, I have no idea. My best guess is that my

liver doesn't detoxify things like it should & so instead of making it harmless

it stores it in my liver & then as my liver gradually becomes overloaded it

periodically dumps this stuff in bile & makes me very sick in the process. I

know my livers been off because I've had elevated liver bilrutin on several

occasions.

I think I may have rid myself of a large portion of these accumulated toxins

by doing liver flushes. It was a horrendous experience as these things came out

believe me. Now I believe the next step is a course of IV Chelation. I'm

starting these this next week. Insurance will pay for it since the diagnosis of

heavy metal poisoning is verified with the lab results. I have to take 30 IV's.

One per week. They take 3 hours per dose so I'm going to be spending a lot of

time doing this. But in the end I hope it may be very beneficial in more ways

than one. The doctor who's administering the IV's says everybody over 30 should

periodically have several done.

M.

---- Original Message -----

From: Drasko Cvijovic

Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 3:00 PM

Subject: viruses

,

I found some potentially (for me) very interesting words in your letter...

Please tell me more on:.

1. You said: > I suspect that I still have a chronic viral infection

that is

> still a factor in the electrical sensitivity

How did you came on idea of relating viruses to ES? I am also diagnosed CFS

and EBV infection etc. and I think myself that current condition regarding

viruses is related to the extent of ES... But it could have been just a

consequnece of general weakness, as previously mentioned over the list...

2. You said you are high in uranium... What is the explanation of how you

got it? Been there in Gulf!? (We in Serbia had a heavy bombing 5 years ago,

and many people got sick, me as well, but it has never been proved out what

was the cause of malaises. Uranium testing is inavailable here.)

Drasko

[Guest guest]

Sorry for staying off topic, but I think this is something important

that isn't getting enough of an audience.

None of us should ever click on any link in an email. You may think

you're being directed to eBay, or wherever, but it's very likely that

you're actually being directed to a scam (or spoof) website that

APPEARS legit. To be absolutely safe, if you want to visit a site

mentioned in an email, copy and paste the URL into your browser

instead of clicking on it.

--

> While not exactly on topic (Flatback) I want to pass some info on to

everyone who may be as computer illiterate as I. As mentioned before,

our computer was recently de-bugged thanks to tech support from our

server (Comcast) and some very interestisng spy ware programs

available free on-line. While going through the process of removing

the viruses and bugs, I learned some very inportant lessons; the most

important being, BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU OPEN!!! BE CAREFUL WHO AND WHERE

YOUR E-MAILS ARE BEING SENT FROM!!! I learned that these critters can

invade a computer system by all sorts of sources...and they can wreak

havoc on your entire system.

>

> Just a word of caution from a Feisty who now has 386 e-mails to

catch up on!!

>

> All the best,

> Beth

[Guest guest]

Good heads up, .

But cutting and pasting the URL will take you to the same place as clicking on

the link. Don't do that either.

eBay tells you NEVER to respond to an email " from them " that asks for

confidential information to be emailed to them. Any business that you need to

conduct with eBay can be accessed through their home page.

Same goes for other legitimate sites.

Sharon

Re: Viruses

Sorry for staying off topic, but I think this is something important

that isn't getting enough of an audience.

None of us should ever click on any link in an email. You may think

you're being directed to eBay, or wherever, but it's very likely that

you're actually being directed to a scam (or spoof) website that

APPEARS legit. To be absolutely safe, if you want to visit a site

mentioned in an email, copy and paste the URL into your browser

instead of clicking on it.

--

> While not exactly on topic (Flatback) I want to pass some info on to

everyone who may be as computer illiterate as I. As mentioned before,

our computer was recently de-bugged thanks to tech support from our

server (Comcast) and some very interestisng spy ware programs

available free on-line. While going through the process of removing

the viruses and bugs, I learned some very inportant lessons; the most

important being, BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU OPEN!!! BE CAREFUL WHO AND WHERE

YOUR E-MAILS ARE BEING SENT FROM!!! I learned that these critters can

invade a computer system by all sorts of sources...and they can wreak

havoc on your entire system.

>

> Just a word of caution from a Feisty who now has 386 e-mails to

catch up on!!

>

> All the best,

> Beth

Support for scoliosis-surgery veterans with Harrington Rod Malalignment

Syndrome. Not medical advice. Group does not control ads or endorse any

advertised products.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon...

In most scam emails, the URL that you see in the email is not the

actual URL that you'll go to when you click on that email. It takes

only a very simple html command to make it appear that you're

navigating to someplace legitimate (like http://www.eBay.com), but

taking you elsewhere.

--

> Good heads up, .

>

> But cutting and pasting the URL will take you to the same place as

clicking on the link. Don't do that either.

>

> eBay tells you NEVER to respond to an email " from them " that asks

for confidential information to be emailed to them. Any business that

you need to conduct with eBay can be accessed through their home page.

>

> Same goes for other legitimate sites.

>

> Sharon

[Guest guest]

Hi, .

Sorry to contradict you. I realized that possibility just before reading your

message.

Re: Viruses

Hi Sharon...

In most scam emails, the URL that you see in the email is not the

actual URL that you'll go to when you click on that email. It takes

only a very simple html command to make it appear that you're

navigating to someplace legitimate (like http://www.eBay.com), but

taking you elsewhere.

--

> Good heads up, .

>

> But cutting and pasting the URL will take you to the same place as

clicking on the link. Don't do that either.

>

> eBay tells you NEVER to respond to an email " from them " that asks

for confidential information to be emailed to them. Any business that

you need to conduct with eBay can be accessed through their home page.

>

> Same goes for other legitimate sites.

>

> Sharon

Support for scoliosis-surgery veterans with Harrington Rod Malalignment

Syndrome. Not medical advice. Group does not control ads or endorse any

advertised products.

[Guest guest]

Patty;

In order to answer this, I have to repeat what has been said by others

time and again. Kombucha doesn't " cure " anything, but what it does is

get your body to the best it can be, and in doing that, it gets your

defense systems up and running so your own body can deal with and take

care of these bacterial and viral contaminations and fend them off,

So IMHO the answer is yes it does work, but not in the way you might

think.

Luv, Sprite

" When you drink the water, remember the spring. "

 Chinese proverb

Check out my Kombucha Information page, it has links to all kinds of KT

info and more:

<A HREF= " http://www.geocities.com/ladyfangs.geo/Page5.html " >Sprite's

Kombucha Page</A>

[Guest guest]

polysacharides that form the skin of the budding yeasts in kombucha, stimulate a

general immune response. While not targeted toward viruses in particular, it

should help the body's defense against any invader.

-Trev

viruses

Does the kombucha work on viruses?

Patty

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/5/04 12:26:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

WaterSprite1@... writes:

Patty;

In order to answer this, I have to repeat what has been said by others

time and again. Kombucha doesn't " cure " anything, but what it does is

get your body to the best it can be, and in doing that, it gets your

defense systems up and running so your own body can deal with and take

care of these bacterial and viral contaminations and fend them off,

So IMHO the answer is yes

Thanks for that update.........Gloria

[Guest guest]

<elizabethjhoward@...> wrote:

From: " " ackworthian@..., claire@..., ComputerLogic@..., darren1886@..., knowheregang@..., mags105@..., biffbear16@..., piglet28266@..., shazjas@..., somewherechat@..., farmersmrs@..., suziesstresscorner@..., purr61@..., JAH888@...Subject: VIRUSESDate: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:47:57 +0100

-- Beware spate of emails with viruses!

Hi

I have sent this message out to everyone in my address book, to warn you

all to watch out for emails containing viruses, usually in a .zip or .doc

file attachment.

I have received 6 of these since yesterday, and had received a further 6

or more over the last week or so.

There should be no danger as long as you do not open the attachment.

The subject line may say something like "Urgent information" or "re: your

email" or similar such wording.

Many of them have a spurious entry in the email body which says that they

have been scanned and that they are virus-free - DO NOT BELIEVE THIS !!

Many are also sent high priority.

DELETE ANY SUSPICIOUS EMAILS - DO NOT ATTEMPT TO OPEN ATTACHMENTS

regards

Geoff

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[Guest guest]

Liz,

Thank you, I too recieved email like that. Saying "This email is safe" I got it through hotmail also and just for the heck of it I tried opening it and Hotmail wouldn't let me, saying that there was a virus. I almost replied to the sender and called them a liar but then I thought they are probably using a false name and if I tried sending it, it would probably get sent back.

Thanks,

Betty

[Guest guest]

Just curious - can you divulge where the DAN doc lives who gave you the

tincture--had the same situation, only temperature went up to 104, lasted off

and on for 3 days, resulted in major regression...and all this in a child who

had just been treated for yeast and bacteria. --Helen

[Guest guest]

Just curious....what was in this tincture?

On Dec 11, 2004, at 7:49 PM, shel4336 wrote:

>

>

> I had been treating my son with an immune tincher prepared by our

> DAN Dr. We are to do two weeks on then 1 week off. The tincher is

> supposed to tackle yeast, bacteria and viruses. On day 8 of the

> tincher my son started to run a low grade fever (100.5). By the end

> of that day, he was lethargic and in obvious pain. He is only 2.4

> and beginning to talk. He would just start screaming ouie ouie. I

> couldn't get him to indicate what hurt. By the evening, he could no

> longer hold up his head and had no appetite. This lasted less than

> 24 hours. I stopped giving him the tincher because I just didn't

> know what was going on. We ended up in the ER and they couldn't

> find anything wrong. He had a slightly red throat. They thought he

> had a respitory virus. He had no symptoms of a respitory virus. I

> was just reading on Enzymestuff about virus and it occured to me

> that possibly this was viral die-off. The pain seemed to be

> specifically centered at his neck as he wouldn't turn his head and

> he used his shoulders to support his head. After about 24 hours,

> the pain was gone and he was back to his old self. Now, a few days

> later, we are seeing yeasty type behaviors. I know I've read that

> viral die-off can cause yeast. Does this sound like viral die off?

> I should also mention, that we were also doing a homepathic remedy

> for vaccine detox. We had used that prior and not seen any symptoms

> like this. Should I treat for yeast based on the symptoms. I do

> have some nystatin that we were to finish this week. Any ideas or

> suggestions is greatly appreciated.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> later, we are seeing yeasty type behaviors. I know I've read that

> viral die-off can cause yeast. Does this sound like viral die off?

It can be. You can increase your yeast protocol and see if that helps.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Our DAN Dr. is in the Kansas City Kansas area. We had treated my

son for yeast with Nystatin with basically no results. Not good or

bad. We know he has bacteria based on his stool analysis and I do

believe the tincher is helping with that. He did tell me it would

also kill viruses but I hadn't been looking for that.

> Just curious - can you divulge where the DAN doc lives who gave

you the tincture--had the same situation, only temperature went up

to 104, lasted off and on for 3 days, resulted in major

regression...and all this in a child who had just been treated for

yeast and bacteria. --Helen

[Guest guest]

I'll try to spell these things correctly :-) The tincher includes

uva ursi, cats claw, astrig (Sp?) and I believe a type of silver. I

don't think it is colliodial silver but a hydorolized (Sp?) silver.

We did see a lot of language increase with using this especially his

articulation. Also, he had been tantruming and it completely

stopped. He isn't typically a tantrumer, so I was glad to see that

go.

>

> >

> >

> > I had been treating my son with an immune tincher prepared by our

> > DAN Dr. We are to do two weeks on then 1 week off. The tincher

is

> > supposed to tackle yeast, bacteria and viruses. On day 8 of the

> > tincher my son started to run a low grade fever (100.5). By the

end

> > of that day, he was lethargic and in obvious pain. He is only

2.4

> > and beginning to talk. He would just start screaming ouie

ouie. I

> > couldn't get him to indicate what hurt. By the evening, he

could no

> > longer hold up his head and had no appetite. This lasted less

than

> > 24 hours. I stopped giving him the tincher because I just didn't

> > know what was going on. We ended up in the ER and they couldn't

> > find anything wrong. He had a slightly red throat. They

thought he

> > had a respitory virus. He had no symptoms of a respitory

virus. I

> > was just reading on Enzymestuff about virus and it occured to me

> > that possibly this was viral die-off. The pain seemed to be

> > specifically centered at his neck as he wouldn't turn his head

and

> > he used his shoulders to support his head. After about 24 hours,

> > the pain was gone and he was back to his old self. Now, a few

days

> > later, we are seeing yeasty type behaviors. I know I've read

that

> > viral die-off can cause yeast. Does this sound like viral die

off?

> > I should also mention, that we were also doing a homepathic

remedy

> > for vaccine detox. We had used that prior and not seen any

symptoms

> > like this. Should I treat for yeast based on the symptoms. I do

> > have some nystatin that we were to finish this week. Any ideas

or

> > suggestions is greatly appreciated.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

There are lots of nasty bacteria that affect the neck muscles/spine. The

fluid in there is a great place for the bacteria to grow. Even if you were

experiencing die-off, anything that severe would scare me, seeing as how

toxins are produced in mass quantities as the little nasties begin to die.

The byproducts produced from the die-off are just as dangerous as the

bacteria itself. Good luck to you. My rule of thumb is first do no harm.

I've been snookered by too many doctors and my little one has suffered too

much to trust doctors and their treatments blindly. I'm sure you've done

your research, so what sorts of bacteria and viruses were the tincture aimed

at? For example, for us, I was surprised the clostridia we were treating

was in the same family/bacteria as botulism and tetanus. Gave me a great

respect for it and it's potential, especially when I learned one of it's

byproducts is mass amounts of ammonia, and that is really bad for our little

guys too. Know what you are dealing with, so you know where it could go.

Good luck to you.

Viruses

>

>

> I had been treating my son with an immune tincher prepared by our

> DAN Dr. We are to do two weeks on then 1 week off. The tincher is

> supposed to tackle yeast, bacteria and viruses. On day 8 of the

> tincher my son started to run a low grade fever (100.5). By the end

> of that day, he was lethargic and in obvious pain. He is only 2.4

> and beginning to talk. He would just start screaming ouie ouie. I

> couldn't get him to indicate what hurt. By the evening, he could no

> longer hold up his head and had no appetite. This lasted less than

> 24 hours. I stopped giving him the tincher because I just didn't

> know what was going on. We ended up in the ER and they couldn't

> find anything wrong. He had a slightly red throat. They thought he

> had a respitory virus. He had no symptoms of a respitory virus. I

> was just reading on Enzymestuff about virus and it occured to me

> that possibly this was viral die-off. The pain seemed to be

> specifically centered at his neck as he wouldn't turn his head and

> he used his shoulders to support his head. After about 24 hours,

> the pain was gone and he was back to his old self. Now, a few days

> later, we are seeing yeasty type behaviors. I know I've read that

> viral die-off can cause yeast. Does this sound like viral die off?

> I should also mention, that we were also doing a homepathic remedy

> for vaccine detox. We had used that prior and not seen any symptoms

> like this. Should I treat for yeast based on the symptoms. I do

> have some nystatin that we were to finish this week. Any ideas or

> suggestions is greatly appreciated.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Isn't a virus a form of a parasite? Diann

[Guest guest]

I've always understood viruses to be that wonderful grey area of

living/non-living matter. Simply put, they're alive because they can

reproduce - with a little help, which is probably why you can

classify them as 'modified living' as well as 'living' and 'dead'.

Definitely not saying that it's a good thing to inject any one of

them into a baby or any other human being... but it is possible to

have the three categories.

Cheers

Naomi

NSW, Australia

PS Again, simply put, it's their crystalline nature that would imply

that they are not living. It is a grey area - but then drug

companies seem to love that.

> I am taking a class in biology and we were just learning about

viruses.

> According to my teacher, viruses are not alive at all, so I want to

know how

> the consider a " killed " virus to be safer??

>

>

>

> Sara

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: jnoelsagacious [mailto:jnoelsagacious@e...]

> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:08 AM

> Vaccinations

> Subject: newly vaccinated kids

>

>

>

>

> Modified live and live vaccines will shed for 3 months or so

through

> the saliva, fecus and urine.

>

> You need to know what type of vaccine, killed, MLV or live.

>

> I would be more worried about shedding after 7 days.

>

> Jackie Noel

> www.sagaciousairedales.com

> www.sagaciousdogcountry.com

[Guest guest]

>

> > I am taking a class in biology and we were just learning about

> viruses. According to my teacher, viruses are not alive at all, so I want to

> know how the consider a " killed " virus to be safer??

^^^^^^^^^¨

they use only the polysaccharide particles and like

on the surface of the virus. they have removed the

genetic stuff (RNA or DNA) and by doing that

they think it 's not going to be harmful .....

who believes...

i don't ...

-will-

[Guest guest]

What we learned is that they don't " technically " reproduce. They simply

inject themselves into our DNA, then our DNA reproduces, so, I see how some

could think that they are alive, but they don't qualify as alive by

scientific standards. We learned that they are actually proteins.

Sara

_____

From: galah_1@... [mailto:galah_1@...]

Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:44 PM

Vaccinations

Subject: Re: viruses

I've always understood viruses to be that wonderful grey area of

living/non-living matter. Simply put, they're alive because they can

reproduce - with a little help, which is probably why you can

classify them as 'modified living' as well as 'living' and 'dead'.

Definitely not saying that it's a good thing to inject any one of

them into a baby or any other human being... but it is possible to

have the three categories.

Cheers

Naomi

NSW, Australia

PS Again, simply put, it's their crystalline nature that would imply

that they are not living. It is a grey area - but then drug

companies seem to love that.

> I am taking a class in biology and we were just learning about

viruses.

> According to my teacher, viruses are not alive at all, so I want to

know how

> the consider a " killed " virus to be safer??

>

>

>

> Sara

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: jnoelsagacious [mailto:jnoelsagacious@e...]

> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:08 AM

> Vaccinations

> Subject: newly vaccinated kids

>

>

>

>

> Modified live and live vaccines will shed for 3 months or so

through

> the saliva, fecus and urine.

>

> You need to know what type of vaccine, killed, MLV or live.

>

> I would be more worried about shedding after 7 days.

>

> Jackie Noel

> www.sagaciousairedales.com

> www.sagaciousdogcountry.com

[Guest guest]

RE: Re: viruses

>

> What we learned is that they don't " technically " reproduce. They simply

> inject themselves into our DNA, then our DNA reproduces, so, I see how some

> could think that they are alive, but they don't qualify as alive by

> scientific standards. We learned that they are actually proteins.

''''''''''''''''''''''

a bit more precisely, they inject their genome into our *cells*, not into our

DNA.

why? because they don't themselves have ingredients to overgo the

reproductive cycle, they need the one of our (or any other) cell's proteins to

provide them.

it's quite manysided prosedure and at the moment i have no time to go it all

through here

maybe later......

bw

-will-