Viruses

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In a message dated 5/13/2005 11:28:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, Laha1960@... writes:

Usually it happens in older people though.

My cousin had shingles at age 12. He still gets them when he gets really stressed out and he is now 35.

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I dont know much about viruses, this ones from eurolyme, it concerns

EBV not HHV-6 but could be of interest in this connection, tho I dont

have any particular insights about it and havent read it yet.

Folia Biol (Praha). 2003;49(1):40-8.

Interaction of Borrelia burgdorferi sensu lato with

Epstein-Barr

virus in lymphoblastoid cells.

Hulinska D, Roubalova K, Schramlova J.

National Reference Laboratory on Borreliosis, Electron

Microscopy,

National Institute of Public Health, Prague, Czech

Republic.

Since the possibility of interruption of latent EBV

infection has been suggested by the induction of the lytic virus

cycle with chemical substances, other viruses, and by

immunosuppression, we hypothesized that the same effect might happen

in B. burgdorferi sensu lato infection as happens in Lyme disease

patients with

positive serology for both agents. We have observed EBV replication in

lymphoblastoid cells after superinfection with B. garinii and B.

afzelii strains after 1 and 4 h of their interaction. We found that

viral and borrelial antigens persisted in the lymphoblasts for 3

and 4 days. Morphological and functional transformation of both

agents facilitate their transfer to daughter cells. Association with

lymphoblasts and internalization of B. garinii by tube phagocytosis

increased replication of viruses more successfully than B.

afzelii and chemical inductors. Demonstration of such findings must be

interpreted cautiously, but may prove a mixed borrelial and viral

cause of severe neurological disease.

PMID: 12630667 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

> I apologize in advance if this has already been posted. I thought,

> with the encouraging results about glutathione vs. HHV-6, this

> renewed focus on that bug's role in MS might be relevant.

>

> Herpes. 2005 Jun;12(1):4-9. Related Articles, Links

>

>

> Human herpesvirus 6 and multiple sclerosis: potential mechanisms

for

> virus-induced disease.

>

> Fotheringham J, son S.

>

> Viral Immunology Section, National Institute of Neurological

> Disorders and Stroke, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD

> 20892, USA.

>

> Multiple sclerosis (MS) is a debilitating neurological disease of

> unknown cause that affects people between 20 and 40 years of age.

> While several viruses have been associated with MS, none has proven

> causative. Human herpesvirus 6 (HHV-6) is one agent that may play a

> role in MS. Some studies have demonstrated an association between

> HHV-6 and MS based on immunological and molecular data, suggesting

> that a subset of MS patients may have reactivation of this

> widespread herpesvirus. New studies investigating the biology of

HHV-

> 6 have given insights towards understanding how HHV-6 may play a

> role in MS pathology. By inducing molecular mimicry or excessive

> complement activation, HHV-6 reactivation may have the potential to

> trigger autoimmunity and tissue damage associated with MS lesion

> development.

>

> PMID: 16026638 [PubMed - in process]

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There seems such a massive amount of stuff on viruses and absolutely

nothing on toxins causing all these disease states. I know you do

the hard yards at the library but unless as a group we start to

focus on undewrstanding toxins a lot better everything else is so

overdone.We can't expect anything exciting from virus discoveries

because they don't posses anti virals that actually do any good.

> > I apologize in advance if this has already been posted. I

thought,

> > with the encouraging results about glutathione vs. HHV-6, this

> > renewed focus on that bug's role in MS might be relevant.

> >

> > Herpes. 2005 Jun;12(1):4-9. Related Articles, Links

> >

> >

> > Human herpesvirus 6 and multiple sclerosis: potential mechanisms

> for

> > virus-induced disease.

> >

> > Fotheringham J, son S.

> >

> > Viral Immunology Section, National Institute of Neurological

> > Disorders and Stroke, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda,

MD

> > 20892, USA.

> >

> > Multiple sclerosis (MS) is a debilitating neurological disease

of

> > unknown cause that affects people between 20 and 40 years of

age.

> > While several viruses have been associated with MS, none has

proven

> > causative. Human herpesvirus 6 (HHV-6) is one agent that may

play a

> > role in MS. Some studies have demonstrated an association

between

> > HHV-6 and MS based on immunological and molecular data,

suggesting

> > that a subset of MS patients may have reactivation of this

> > widespread herpesvirus. New studies investigating the biology of

> HHV-

> > 6 have given insights towards understanding how HHV-6 may play a

> > role in MS pathology. By inducing molecular mimicry or excessive

> > complement activation, HHV-6 reactivation may have the potential

to

> > trigger autoimmunity and tissue damage associated with MS lesion

> > development.

> >

> > PMID: 16026638 [PubMed - in process]

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We have had several things go through our boarding school this past winter

season and I seem to have caught at least two of them. We called the California

Flu the one I got in December that started with a killer sore throat, aches &

chills that went into a chest cough and bad sinus congestion that weeped out my

eyes (I was on two different rounds of antibiotics before I was thru). Others

had a stomach virus that was a two-day wonder. Now it's the sore throat and

cough and sinus congestion again...I had it in December so don't think it's a

relapse as the original one I had a fever with, this I just have more cold-like

symptoms.

I take Recup and have been not having any problems with it during the times I've

been sick. The funny thing is that when I was on antibiotics I actually felt

better (hmmm) and my sinuses were clear for the first time in years (hmmm) and

my singing voice returned (yay!!!). I haven't been sick for years but now that

I'm taking Recup my immune system seems to be more " normalized " and I have been

catching things I previously avoided getting.

in La Selva Beach CA

[Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: Recup and Viruses do

not mix? Why bad reaction to recup with colds?

Mr Raba,

I wonder if we have the same virus and what it is?

My guess is that there is something unusual or different about this virus. I

am on no special protocol and recovering from bad food poisoning which has

resulted in malabsorbtion of food/supplements.

The virus that is going around London has hit me badly with flu symptoms in

a way totally different than my body has reacted since M.E. (hot and cold

shakes, blocked nose, swollen glands and a chesty cough). Same symptoms as my

Fiance who normally sweats off a flu quickly.

For the first ten years of M.E. I didn't get colds and flus, then I got them

for the next ten years. Recently I had moved back into no colds or flus.

This particular flu is so different and has the strange symptom of my brain

coming back on line for short periods with little fog. Has not happened before

and I wonder what is going on in my immune system.

As the flu is going my brain is going back to blah again.

Has anyone had this happen before? Any ideas?

Kindest regards,

Annette

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Can someone help me understand--

If I put my daughter on OLE and/or Virastop, will the viruses " come out " and

she'll get sick/rashy for a while?

How will I know if I've gotten them under control?

Thanks,

[ ] Digest Number 7789

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> If I put my daughter on OLE and/or Virastop, will the viruses " come

out " and she'll get sick/rashy for a while?

Other symptoms can also develop. But for the most part, as the

viruses come out, they will cause some sort of " typical virus

symptoms " as they are coming out. Also, yeast tends to increase.

> How will I know if I've gotten them under control?

Can you give vitamin C and A without toxicity symptoms? Can you give

anti-virals without yeast overgrowth issues? Those are the things I

am considering for my kids.

Dana

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What is DES please? Thanks Like my Tags? Join my group! RobynsTagDesigns Like my Stats? Join my Group! RobynsStationary Check out my blogs! RobynsCurrentEventsBlog Loving & LivingThroughLossBlog A dog is the only thing on earth that loves you more than he loves himself -Josh Billings -- Viruses ,Great explanation of how the tissue looked and the possible roleof virus(es) in the cause of A! Dr. Rice mentioned to us that DES mayalso be caused by a virus. I don't know if it's related or not, butwhen was a kid, he had some severe outbreaks of cold sores(Herpes Simplex 1 virus). He told me that to treat it, they gave himthe chickenpox vaccine (I'm thinking more than one time), since thatvirus is also in the Herpes family. It didn't work for the coldsores, but I always wondered if it had any other effect on him. Withthis discussion about viruses, I wonder if his DES is some kind ofaftereffect, years later, from that early chickenpox vaccine? So muchfor their experimenting on him! in Michigan (feeling a little discouraged after re-readingeMedicine's info on DES saying that some people don't ever respond totreatment and sometimes it continues for life, although it usuallydoesn't progress. has had LOTS of heavy spasm days, just in thelast week since we got back from vacation, and has already missed 3work days. Just feeling like this will never get better for him...)

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, I'm so sorry, I really hope gets some relief soon! I

feel so bad for him. I have been getting chest pain regularly now,

usually every night around 4am-5am it wakes me up. Luckly the cold

water stops the spasm.

That's interesting that the docs gave him a chicken pox vacc for

the cold sores. I guess it would make sense to try that. I use to

get canker sores a lot with stress or if I bite my cheek. Even to

this day they can get bad. But I've never had a cold sore (outside

the mouth).

Maybe one day we can all get answers!

in Michigan

>

> ,

> Great explanation of how the tissue looked and the possible

role

> of virus(es) in the cause of A! Dr. Rice mentioned to us that DES

may

> also be caused by a virus. I don't know if it's related or not,

but

> when was a kid, he had some severe outbreaks of cold sores

> (Herpes Simplex 1 virus). He told me that to treat it, they gave

him

> the chickenpox vaccine (I'm thinking more than one time), since

that

> virus is also in the Herpes family. It didn't work for the cold

> sores, but I always wondered if it had any other effect on him.

With

> this discussion about viruses, I wonder if his DES is some kind of

> aftereffect, years later, from that early chickenpox vaccine? So

much

> for their experimenting on him!

>

> in Michigan (feeling a little discouraged after re-reading

> eMedicine's info on DES saying that some people don't ever respond

to

> treatment and sometimes it continues for life, although it usually

> doesn't progress. has had LOTS of heavy spasm days, just in

the

> last week since we got back from vacation, and has already missed 3

> work days. Just feeling like this will never get better for

him...)

>

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Robyn,

DES stands for Diffuse Esophageal Spasm. It's another esophagus

motility disorder. It seems to be rarer than A (or, I've heard that

it's rarely severe). The symptoms include dysphagia and spasms

(pretty severe in my husband's case). After a lot of effort, I was

able to attach a link to some info on it (I hope this comes out):

http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=diffuse%2Besophageal%2Bspasm & p\

age=1 & offset=0 & result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D507c68ba2a4675b1\

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Netscape Search

I just had to vent yesterday about it. You know how some days

things just seem so insurmountable. My husband has lost over 70 lbs.

in 3 years with this and misses a lot of time at work. He's in danger

of exhausting all of the days allowed under FMLA and we worry about

his job. The latests med he's tried (Niphedipine) has helped a small

amount, so he's regained about 10 lbs., but still misses work because

of the pain. Dr. Rice and his colleagues have suggested surgery, but

because it's so rare, he's only done 3 surgeries on DES patients and

of those 2 weren't successful (one had lung cancer and the other

developed a leaky E and had to have an E'gectomy). It just sounds

like a major surgery (open), with not good odds. Anyway, I hope the

info above helps. Have a great day!

in Michigan

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,

Thanks to wrestling and dirty head gear one of our high schoolers

brought home herpes and staph a few years back. It took ages for

mainstream to culture and fool around with meds. Acyclovir did

nothing for weeks it seemed. He's a 20 something now and has learned

that if he takes lysine 500mg[he's 200+ lbs] for 3-4 doses over a

couple of days when he first starts to feel the tingle of a cold

sore, it prevents the outbreak. If he does let it go until the sores

appear, the lysine cuts it short and eases symptoms. Worth a try,

>

> Hi All,

>

> The past few weeks it seems like my son is constantly battling some

> sort of virus. This week, he has two cold sores on his lips. This

is

> the first time he has gotten those. Would virus stop help get rid

of

> the cold sores? If so, how should I introduce it? Would it be

better

> to start with OLE instead? Do I give with meals or away from

meals?

> We have never attempted to work on viruses before, so I'm a little

> nervous about it. Should we not start working on viruses while

> chelating? We are in the middle of a round this weekend, so should

we

> hold off until next week?

>

> Thanks for any guidance!

>

>

>

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> The past few weeks it seems like my son is constantly battling some

> sort of virus. This week, he has two cold sores on his lips. This is

> the first time he has gotten those. Would virus stop help get rid of

> the cold sores?

For my #1, cold sores disappeared with selenium, B vitamins, and

lysine. However, recently I have had him on a high potency multi plus

Virastop, and he has not had any more cold sores.

>> If so, how should I introduce it?

Start with one capsule per day, on an empty stomach.

>> Would it be better

> to start with OLE instead?

Virastop caused more yeast than OLE for my kids, which might mean OLE

is not as strong. So you might want to start with OLE.

>> Do I give with meals or away from meals?

Virastop, empty stomach. OLE, I don't think it matters.

> We have never attempted to work on viruses before, so I'm a little

> nervous about it. Should we not start working on viruses while

> chelating?

Start anti-virals on " off " days, so you can watch for reactions.

Watch for yeast, anti-virals caused much more yeast for my kids than

chelation did.

>> We are in the middle of a round this weekend, so should we

> hold off until next week?

I would.

Dana

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>

> > The past few weeks it seems like my son is constantly battling some

> > sort of virus. This week, he has two cold sores on his lips. This is

> > the first time he has gotten those. Would virus stop help get rid of

> > the cold sores?

>

My NT 8 yo dd did do Virastop for...2 months? and we saw an improvement in mood.

And,

we were giving L-lysine at the first sign of a cold sore. Still, we were

fighting recurrent

cold sores, so we switched to giving her 500 mg of L-lysine per day and she

hasn't had a

cold sore since. ===knock on wood===

She is also taking basic chelation support supplements, plus we've done 39

rounds of

chelation using Andy's protocol.

in Illinois

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You would most liekly need chelation and antivirals.

S S

VIRUSES

Posted by: " barbara " babzy@... barb_riola

Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:32 am (PDT)

Hello,

what about those of us who are mercury poisoned but got also viruses such as

Epstein Barr, CMV, toxoplasma etc. and evolved into chronic fatigue: would ALA

chelation on its own due the trick or some would some compensatory tmt be

needed? Thank you

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I also would appreciate it if someone would elaborate on this a bit...

Is it as simple as taking antivirals plus chelating to recover from

CFS and other related conditions? My family has EBV, CMV, probably

mycoplasmas, probably some Lyme, definitely hg toxic.

What of additional toxin load such as pesticides, plastics, radiation

that further compromise health?

In , " barbara " <babzy@...> wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> what about those of us who are mercury poisoned but got also viruses

such as Epstein Barr, CMV, toxoplasma etc. and evolved into chronic

fatigue: would ALA chelation on its own due the trick or some would

some compensatory tmt be needed? Thank you

[Guest guest]

> what about those of us who are mercury poisoned but got also viruses

such as Epstein Barr, CMV, toxoplasma etc. and evolved into chronic

fatigue: would ALA chelation on its own due the trick or some would

some compensatory tmt be needed? Thank you

At my house, chelation solved one set of problems, and anti-virals

solved another set of problems. I chelated first, then did

anti-virals. If I had it to do over again, I would have started

anti-virals much earlier.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> Is it as simple as taking antivirals plus chelating to recover from

> CFS and other related conditions? My family has EBV, CMV, probably

> mycoplasmas, probably some Lyme, definitely hg toxic.

Addressing viruses is not simple. I sure wish it was. I would

chelate 100 kids before I would want to treat any more viruses. I am

eliminating viruses from 5 people here, and it is nasty.

Depends on your anti-virals. Each one of the naturals addresses a

different problem, so it appears. It *seems* easy, just give

anti-virals, watch for yeast, and the viruses just melt away..........

Viruses coming out of the body cause typical [and sometimes

not-so-typical] virus symptoms. Some of them are almost more nasty

than the virus resident in the brain. Nasty yeast overgrowth also.

Dana

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Did you see a virologist, Dana? I thought maybe once your mercury is out your

immune system would fight viruses on its own.... But as chelation procedes with

its inevitable 'side effects' at time, time goes by and am not so well, I was

wondering what else could I do, or better to wait?

>>>At my house, chelation solved one set of problems, and anti-virals

solved another set of problems. I chelated first, then did

anti-virals. If I had it to do over again, I would have started

anti-virals much earlier.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> Did you see a virologist, Dana?

No

>> I thought maybe once your mercury is out your immune system would

fight viruses on its own....

My son's immune system needed nutrients like vitamin C and lysine and

biotin, before it would do that. Just because metals are removed,

does not mean the nutritional status improves without adding those

things as supplements. And my son needed major high doses.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>Dana

Ive been treating my son with l lysine vit c and biotin for almost 3

weeks .We have many many anti yeast protocol in place and still he

still is sooo yeasty these days, We have 250 billion pro biotic ,Yeast

aid ,candijest, gse, And diflucan . He is stimming laughing hyper! His

eye contact is better and his receptive lang has improved ,He has had

ear infection, eye infection, temp. but doin great at school! What

should i expect in next few weeks? How long does it usually take to get

virus under control Thasnks Again Caroline

[Guest guest]

My son's immune system needed nutrients like vitamin C and lysine and

biotin, before it would do that. Just because metals are removed,

does not mean the nutritional status improves without adding those

things as supplements. And my son needed major high doses.

Dana,

my son reacted horriby to Lysine (nasty). could that be cause he needs it

or just the die off

We live in a world in which we need to share responsibility.

It's easy to say " It's not my child, not my community, not my world, not my

problem. "

Then there are those who see the need and respond.

I consider those people my heroes. -- Fred " Mr. " , Children's TV Show

Star

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> >Dana

> Ive been treating my son with l lysine vit c and biotin for almost 3

> weeks .We have many many anti yeast protocol in place and still he

> still is sooo yeasty these days, We have 250 billion pro biotic ,Yeast

> aid ,candijest, gse, And diflucan .

How much biotin and GSE?

>> He is stimming laughing hyper!

Does this come and go? Do you notice it more, just after you give the

anti-virals, or later on, after several hours? This was one of my

son's " changed yeast symptoms " . Giggly laughing, near the end of the

anti-viral protocol, did not mean yeast, it meant the vitamin C was

wearing off. This was especially prevalent right at the end of

vitamin C requirements.

>> What

> should i expect in next few weeks? How long does it usually take to get

> virus under control

At my house, we are four years into anti-virals, and my kids still

need lysine and some biotin [lower doses than in the past], but not

vitamin C or OLE or Virastop.

Dana

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> > >Dana

> > Ive been treating my son with l lysine vit c and biotin for

almost 3

> > weeks .We have many many anti yeast protocol in place and still

he

> > still is sooo yeasty these days, We have 250 billion pro

biotic ,Yeast

> > aid ,candijest, gse, And diflucan .

>

>

> How much biotin and GSE?

> Biotin 10mg daily GSE 250MG DAILY

>

> >> He is stimming laughing hyper!

>

>

> Does this come and go? Do you notice it more, just after you give

the

> anti-virals, or later on, after several hours? yes it comes and

goes but yes usually worse bout half hour after lysine..

This was one of my

> son's " changed yeast symptoms " . Giggly laughing, near the end of

the

> anti-viral protocol, did not mean yeast, it meant the vitamin C was

> wearing off. This was especially prevalent right at the end of

> vitamin C requirements.

>Should i up vit c im giving 750mg daily (250MGX3)

> >> What

> > should i expect in next few weeks? How long does it usually take

to get

> > virus under control

>

>

> At my house, we are four years into anti-virals, and my kids still

> need lysine and some biotin [lower doses than in the past], but not

> vitamin C or OLE or Virastop.

> four years i was hoping four months!! Dont mind how long once i see

improvments:)Thanks again for your help,

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

> > How much biotin and GSE?

> > Biotin 10mg daily GSE 250MG DAILY

Try doubling the biotin, might have to add magnesium.

> > Does this come and go? Do you notice it more, just after you give

> the

> > anti-virals, or later on, after several hours? yes it comes and

> goes but yes usually worse bout half hour after lysine..

Okay then it is probably yeast overgrowth.

> >Should i up vit c im giving 750mg daily (250MGX3)

Definitely consider increasing it, but only after you get the yeast

under control again.

> > four years i was hoping four months!!

So was I..........

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dana. ill up Biotin..

[Guest guest]

> Dana,

> my son reacted horriby to Lysine (nasty). could that be cause he

needs it

> or just the die off

If the lysine dose was too high, my #2 was mean and nasty.

Lysine caused MASSIVE yeast here.

How much did you give? Does he have any symptoms of

lysine-susceptible viruses?

Dana