Some good news

[Guest guest]

It is incredible how the good news of others not only can fill me with joy for

the person experiencing the victory but can also fill me with hope for victories

here. Thank you for sharing Kathy. This is so wonderful. Are you dancing on

your hands? :-)

Smiling Here,

Patti R. in NH

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy:

Wow, wonderful progress!!

Congrats to your daughter on her great report card and particularly on

bossing back OCD and being able to leave things unfinished. Very well

done. Take care, aloha, Kathy (H)

kathyh@...

At 02:03 PM 01/22/2000 -0500, you wrote:

Hi everyone, welcome to all the new posters and thank you to Jim and all

the others who wrote to let me know that OCD presenting as a " friend " to

the OCD sufferer is a common situation. Hearing my daughter defending OCD

as a misunderstood ally threw me for a loop initially.

I'm writing to crow that my daughter brought home an excellent report card

yesterday, excellent because in areas that she has been working hard to

boss back her OCD, her efforts have paid off and she was able to

demonstrate her abilities for the teacher during evaluations. (Some may

remember that she had compulsions to seem " stupid " (her word) and during

the first grading period would purposefully give wrong answers and pretend

to be unable to do things the teacher was evaluating, this affected her

marks needless to say.)

In the period since school started, thanks to E & RP, she is now able to:

walk into school on her own

use the restroom at school, even to have a bm

leave artwork, etc., unfinished if it's time to move on to another activity

do work that reflects her true level of understanding and ability rather

than purposefully do things " wrong "

Yea!

Kathy R. in Indiana

[Guest guest]

Congrats, congrats, congrats, You and your daughter must be very proud.

Terry in WI

some good news

From: " Kathy " <klr@...>

Hi everyone, welcome to all the new posters and thank you to Jim and all the

others who wrote to let me know that OCD presenting as a " friend " to the OCD

sufferer is a common situation. Hearing my daughter defending OCD as a

misunderstood ally threw me for a loop initially.

I'm writing to crow that my daughter brought home an excellent report card

yesterday, excellent because in areas that she has been working hard to boss

back her OCD, her efforts have paid off and she was able to demonstrate her

abilities for the teacher during evaluations. (Some may remember that she had

compulsions to seem " stupid " (her word) and during the first grading period

would purposefully give wrong answers and pretend to be unable to do things the

teacher was evaluating, this affected her marks needless to say.)

In the period since school started, thanks to E & RP, she is now able to:

walk into school on her own

use the restroom at school, even to have a bm

leave artwork, etc., unfinished if it's time to move on to another activity

do work that reflects her true level of understanding and ability rather

than purposefully do things " wrong "

Yea!

Kathy R. in Indiana

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[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy--what wonderfully rewarding news about your daughter's report card.

And yes, I agree that treating OCD as a friend (and I have been guilty of

doing that in myself) is dangerous. As my wonderful CBT pscyhologists used to

say, Anything remotely positive about OCD is " the tail end of the

dragon " ...they finally got me to understand that it was ME, my personality

traits, not this damned disorder, that were responsible for any successes I

have had in my life.

Take good care...and congratulations on such a great report card,

, in S. Ontario, Cda.

<< Hi everyone, welcome to all the new posters and thank you to Jim and all

the others who wrote to let me know that OCD presenting as a " friend " to the

OCD sufferer is a common situation. Hearing my daughter defending OCD as a

misunderstood ally threw me for a loop initially.

I'm writing to crow that my daughter brought home an excellent report card

yesterday, excellent because in areas that she has been working hard to boss

back her OCD, her efforts have paid off and she was able to demonstrate her

abilities for the teacher during evaluations. (Some may remember that she

had compulsions to seem " stupid " (her word) and during the first grading

period would purposefully give wrong answers and pretend to be unable to do

things the teacher was evaluating, this affected her marks needless to say.)

In the period since school started, thanks to E & RP, she is now able to:

walk into school on her own

use the restroom at school, even to have a bm

leave artwork, etc., unfinished if it's time to move on to another activity

do work that reflects her true level of understanding and ability rather

than purposefully do things " wrong "

Yea!

Kathy R. in Indiana

>>

[Guest guest]

Kathy R. in Indiana,

I am so happy for you all!! As casual as we try to be, 'good' report

cards show us that our kids are doing well in school! I hope that the

teacher responded to the difference in her and graded her based on

unconventional marking.

>In the period since school started, thanks to E & RP, she is now able to:

>walk into school on her own

>use the restroom at school, even to have a bm

>leave artwork, etc., unfinished if it's time to move on to another activity

>do work that reflects her true level of understanding and ability rather

>than purposefully do things " wrong "

WOW! That is a very impressive list of accomplishments! She is working all

over (being on her own, using public facilities, leaving something) and

doing well. she must seem like a different child! I know what you feel b/c

I have this excitement with Adi. She does so well with E & RP that she doesnt

even take meds anymore!

I love seeing success!

take care, kathy,

wendy in canada

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[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy,

This really is good news. I am inspired for sure. Needing to finish

things is definitely one of Ava's issues too and it is good to see how

successful ERP is in dealing with this one as well as the others. Since

Ava hasn't had the opportunity to learn ERP we've spent (wasted?) so

much time trying to change the environment so that she can be okay the

way she is. Her 504 plan allows her extra time to finish things. While

this has worked in a temporary way I'm really looking forward to finding

a doc who can work with all of us using CBT instead of just meds.

It's hard to figure out what is support/advocacy and what is enabling -

at least it's hard for me anyway! I think lately I've been doing more

enabling, partly I think due to the changes of middle school. Last year

she had one teacher instead of seven and she was so good that I trusted

her to help sort out the support vs enabling issues. We worked so well

together. But this year she got a team of teachers who are known for

their high standards and structure (which is very good for Ava) but also

for their inflexibility and downright meanness (not so good). The other

choice (there are 2 " teams " of 6th grade teachers at her school) was the

warm fuzzy, less structured, more laid back team but I didn't pick it

because the guidance counselor and I thought that she'd be stressed by

the unpredictability, bored by the lack of challenge and she'd take over

the class with the laid back teachers. Ava looms very large when she

can (she is a natural leader but it really needs to be channeled!).

Your success has given me some hope that with good CBT Ava can overcome

some of the more difficult situations at school w/o accomadations that

enable.

Dana in NC

[Guest guest]

Hi Dana:

Please don't beat yourself up about the time spent/wasted in dealing with

OCD. For all of us this is a learning process. For our family it has

literally taken years, months and months to figure out there was a real

problem, months to figure out what it was and then over a year to find an

effective treatment team.

At first I also set up Steve's 504 to allow avoidance and prevented

teachers from interacting therapeutically with him. Once he was able to

learn CBT then we changed the 504 to reinforce his bossing back and involve

the teachers more therapeutically with him. It is just too early to set up

a 504 with zero enabling until our kids have learned the necessary skills

to boss back OCD on their own. It is counterproductive for our kids to get

punished for OCD behaviors they are only just starting to learn how to

control.

Changing the 504 has been a bit confusing for the teachers who seem more

accustomed to doing the same thing for a long time. However each year

there is a new team of teachers and you can start again at square one

depending on Ava's progress with her CBT/E & RP. The perseverating behaviors

seem particularly irksome to the teachers. For Steve this would manifest

in having to have the last word in classroom discussions. The teachers

really appreciated working on getting him to reduce these behaviors.

We have also faced the structured vs. non-structured/less structured

educational experience. Strangely enough the structured seems to work the

best. What we do is use humor about the situations when the teachers do

stuff which is not the best approach for managing OCD. Luckily Steve's CBT

therapist has helped the teachers with suggestions about how to handle his

OCD sxs in the classroom and this seems to allay their fears. They seem

relieved to have a non-parent resource to answer their questions.

Ava has already come a long way and will continue to make strides against

her OCD. We notice every few months that Steve is managing things better

than before, it is surprising how lengthy yet persistent the improvement is.

Take care, aloha, Kathy (H)

kathyh@...

At 04:11 PM 01/23/2000 -0500, you wrote:

>From: Dana Carvalho <clayvon@...>

>

>Hi Kathy,

>This really is good news. I am inspired for sure. Needing to finish

>things is definitely one of Ava's issues too and it is good to see how

>successful ERP is in dealing with this one as well as the others. Since

>Ava hasn't had the opportunity to learn ERP we've spent (wasted?) so

>much time trying to change the environment so that she can be okay the

>way she is. Her 504 plan allows her extra time to finish things. While

>this has worked in a temporary way I'm really looking forward to finding

>a doc who can work with all of us using CBT instead of just meds.

>It's hard to figure out what is support/advocacy and what is enabling -

>at least it's hard for me anyway! I think lately I've been doing more

>enabling, partly I think due to the changes of middle school. Last year

>she had one teacher instead of seven and she was so good that I trusted

>her to help sort out the support vs enabling issues. We worked so well

>together. But this year she got a team of teachers who are known for

>their high standards and structure (which is very good for Ava) but also

>for their inflexibility and downright meanness (not so good). The other

>choice (there are 2 " teams " of 6th grade teachers at her school) was the

>warm fuzzy, less structured, more laid back team but I didn't pick it

>because the guidance counselor and I thought that she'd be stressed by

>the unpredictability, bored by the lack of challenge and she'd take over

>the class with the laid back teachers. Ava looms very large when she

>can (she is a natural leader but it really needs to be channeled!).

>Your success has given me some hope that with good CBT Ava can overcome

>some of the more difficult situations at school w/o accomadations that

>enable.

>Dana in NC

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Dana,

Every post I have read from you has shown me your dedication and concern for

Ava. Go easy on yourself. None of us were trained to be Moms & Dads never

mind trained to deal with OCD. It looks to me like you give 100% of

yourself to Ava, that is perfect. Remember that and be gentle to yourself.

Patti R in NH

[Guest guest]

Great news.

[Guest guest]

HI Doug:

Thanks for sharing your family's success. Finding an effective therapist

was also the key for our family. Actually it took a therapeutic team of

psychologist, psychiatrist and CBT therapist. There is no subsitute for

effective treatment as far as I have been able to determine in learning to

live with OCD.

Good luck for continued success. Take care, aloha,Kathy (h)

kathyh@...

At 11:26 AM 05/07/2001 +1000, you wrote:

>Hi everyone. Long time no post!

>I have still been getting the regular (now pretty big!) list, keeping up

>with everyone's highs and lows, and thought I'd chime in with some news from

>Oz (Australia for the quite probably confused).

>

>Our daughter, Lillian, is now 12, and began showing moderately severe OCD

>symptoms a couple of years ago, although, like most of us, once the Dx is

>made, we can recognise traits going back years. We initially started with a

>psychiatrist locally (we live in a small town 120km from Melbourne), but she

>didn't like him ('creepy' she said - we had to agree after a few sessions).

>We looked further afield and were looking at regular trips to the Big Smoke

>when an amazing thing happened.

>

>I was having a coffee in my local café when I saw a waitress/friend checking

>the Classified ads in the Melbourne newspaper. I joked that she could use a

>new car, but she said, no, it was a job she needed, and that it was really

>hard to find something locally in her field. So I ask " what field? " and she

>says (cue the music) - 'psychology'. I had no idea she had studied anything,

>let alone psych. A great clang sounded in my head and I asked her then and

>there would she be interested in doing behaviour therapy with Lil. I just

>knew instinctively that she was " right " . She freaked out a bit, never having

>done any 'real' therapy - she'd only just graduated and had never worked in

>the field at all.

>

>I persisted, and loaned her all the books I had, including the March Manual.

>She got back to me that she would have a go. I tried not to get too excited.

>Lil was nervous and resisted at first - no-one other than we and the p-doc

>knew about her OCD. But she trusted us enough to give it a try.

>They hit it off immediately. Holly (for that is her name) used the CY-BOCS,

>and unerringly made the right moves to establish trust and affection. She

>religiously followed the Manual, but also introduced little games and

>challenges of her own that seldom, if ever, failed.

>

>In the space of a year, meeting only once a week, but with regular phone

>calls and my wife and I doing as much ERP as we could at home, *no more

>p-doc*, and no (SSRI) meds at all, she now has *no* symptoms.

>

>Admittedly, her symptoms were nothing like as severe as those I read about

>in the list (and my heart goes out to all of you suffering as I know you

>are), but I am amazed at Lil's progress in that time. She is empowered and

>strengthened by her experience, and helps other kids she knows with similar

>problems. The three of us are pretty good ocdiagnosers now!

>

>I should add, as some of you may remember, we also took her to an

>alternative health practitioner, practising a form of medicine akin to

>homoeopathy, who gave her a preparation called Stibium. Stibium is reputed

>to strengthen the 'etheric' or willing body. We feel this was important,

>though my wife and I would probably agree to disagree about how important. I

>feel I know OCD pretty well now, and to my mind the BT is the key.

>

>I ran into the p-doc in the street a couple of days ago, and he was

>genuinely wrapt, even though he had been entirely unconvinced of the wisdom

>of our approach. I think some of his 'creepiness' was due to nervousness -

>he hadn't treated OCD much before, and may have been intimidated by parents

>who knew more about it than he did. He was also a psychoanalyst by training,

>and they're creepy at the best of times!

>

>I guess the big message here is that the importance of the relationships

>between the therapists, parents and child are at least as important as the

>dosages, and, at least in our experience, much more important. Most of you

>know this, of course, but it's easy to lose track of this simple point when

>faced with the beast in full swing, and perhaps being limited in choice of

>therapist by circumstances. I don't even think it was all that important

>that Holly had psych training, though it probably helped her come up with

>the uncannily good therapies she did. It was her empathy and understanding

>of Lil's mind, and her ability to tap into her own strengths to overcome her

>weaknesses that made the difference.

>

>Perhaps those of you who feel your therapists are not hitting the mark

>should look around you for such a person. Sit in a café and look out for

>someone checking the newspaper!

>

>Our love and support go out to all of you.

>--

>Cheers,

>Doug Falconer

>(Doug from Oz)

[Guest guest]

Hi Doug!

What wonderful news! I can't believe your luck in

finding someone who worked so well with Lillian! This

also reinforces that anyone creative enough and

determined to learn how to do it, can follow the

outlines of cbt and deal with ocd at home! Of course

quasi-professionals aren't always trained in the more

complex sides of mental illness, but in your case, the

match was 'just right'!

Like KathyH, and , you are very fortunate!

take care, wendy, in canada

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the good news...and the advice about

following your gut. I've been doing some exercises the OS

told me to do at the gym for 3 months. 2 months into

it, and I'm in worse pain than before I started. I

made another appointment in a week, and thought I'd

better keep up the exercises for one more week, but

maybe I'd better listen to my knees and you and lay off

them.

[Guest guest]

Hi - I'm so glad to hear your news! You may have seen my posts

about antibiotic treatment in the past. I'm still feeling great

after

2 1/2 years on this therapy. I've not been posting recently, as I

thought people were getting tired of hearing my good news. I think

several people in this group have started this treatment, and I look

forward to hearing more.

Very best regards, Greenly

[Guest guest]

((((((((((( BUNCH of HUGS )))))))))))

HELEN

I no longer have a medicaid spendown.

Remember my case worker screwed up and accidentally gave me too much in foodstamps for a year? It was reduced from 135 to 69 dollars? Well, there was an added 17 dollar medicaid spendown...which means I must spend 17 dollars each month on medical costs before I'm eligible for the monthly card. Or pay 17 dollars directly to human services.

Well, I'm paying off a creditor 10 dollars a month on an old medical bill. Although she knows I'm only paying 10 dollars a month, she credited me for 17. (I hope she won't get in trouble) So, I do not have a spendown for about two more years (the time it will take to pay that off at 10 dollars a month)

I know 17 dollars may not sound like a lot...but it's a tank of gas, a small amount of food or whatever.

Denisa

[Guest guest]

I have results of the Blood sugar test, normal 85 mg., thyroid normal, so am I off the hook, no way ,doctor wants a fasting test , I get a test for bs before break fast, 2 hours later then 3 hours later, as these bloody symptoms will not quit, this is wise, after all the day I went to see him I had loaded up on all the wrong stuff and no effects at all, I had hoped it would show, obviously I did it all wrong, should have foregone lunch perhaps! It still shows if I am ready for another meal, and for a goodly time after, so it could be a rapid drop every 4hours, the same dizziness, shakiness, weakness, dull headache, ringing ears. I pretty well opt for hypoglycemia, not diabetes,I must produce insulin like crazy! Anne

[Guest guest]

I'm glad everything is alright... Remember Hypoglycemia is hard to detect...

{{{ Sugar Free Hugs }}}

Helen

I have results of the Blood sugar test, normal 85 mg., thyroid normal, so am I off the hook, no way ,doctor wants a fasting test , I get a test for bs before break fast, 2 hours later then 3 hours later, as these bloody symptoms will not quit, this is wise, after all the day I went to see him I had loaded up on all the wrong stuff and no effects at all, I had hoped it would show, obviously I did it all wrong, should have foregone lunch perhaps! It still shows if I am ready for another meal, and for a goodly time after, so it could be a rapid drop every 4hours, the same dizziness, shakiness, weakness, dull headache, ringing ears. I pretty well opt for hypoglycemia, not diabetes,I must produce insulin like crazy! Anne

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/28/02 1:10:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

writes:

> Well, *I* think that is good news. I have those in my breasts and uterus

> and

> have had no problems with them. Would be harder to get pregnant, but I'm

> not

> in the position to do that now anyway! LOL I don't drink coffee, tea or

> colas. Never have. From all the things it could have been for you....this

>

> is GREAT news. Will keep you in my prayers that there be no future

> problems

> with them.

>

Gail, you don't know how much your post meant to me! Of course, I am still

worried, and my brother told me not to freak in the event they take a biopsy

as a " precaution " .....he says he's impressed with the medical professionals

here in TX that they're being so thorough....hah! Too bad they couldn't

figure out 's behavioral problems!!

Everyone's telling me they've had those fibroid cysts too, it's unreal how

many women have them....I never knew!

On a good note, I got a phone call today and they approved 's

stroller!!!!!! I can't believe I actually got approved the first go

around...LOL.....that and the medical travel reimbursement were both great

pieces of news in the last week or so.

Now, if only I can get good news about these tests!!!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/28/02 3:25:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Ltb3105@...

writes:

<< Everyone's telling me they've had those fibroid cysts too, it's unreal how

many women have them....I never knew!

On a good note, I got a phone call today and they approved 's

stroller!!!!!! I can't believe I actually got approved the first go

around...LOL.....that and the medical travel reimbursement were both great

pieces of news in the last week or so.

Now, if only I can get good news about these tests!!!

>>

,

When do you get the latest news? I will pray that it all turns out fine for

you. Great news on the stroller. I have a friend here who just got Medicaid

approval for a communication device for her son. They based it on medical,

not educational need. Didn't know you could do that. I applied for

reimbursement to redo Seth's bedroom and they are finally coming in. Got a

$500 check yesterday from the epileptic foundation to move electrical outlets

and get a dutch door and $150 from an Indian foundation to use toward wall

covering. ( which will actually cost about $300 ) Still waiting on a couple

of others I applied at to have Plexiglas put in the windows and a Big Max

switch and CD player installed. Sounds like things are turning around for us

on this list and we are now sharing good news! YIPPEE!!!!!

Gail :-)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/29/02 6:34:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

smilinggail@... writes:

> Seth's bedroom and they are finally coming in. Got a

> $500 check yesterday from the epileptic foundation to move electrical

> outlets

> and get a dutch door and $150 from an Indian foundation to use toward wall

> covering. ( which will actually cost about $300 )

Great news Gail!!!!!! Hey, how's your DH doing these days???

And congrats on the stroller .

Donna

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/29/02 7:46:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, duffey48@...

writes:

<< Great news Gail!!!!!! Hey, how's your DH doing these days???

And congrats on the stroller .

Donna >>

Hi Donna,

Dh is doing very well. Thanks for asking. He is building his strength back

up slowly but surly. We went to the docs a couple of days ago and other than

having to go back on the cholesterol meds, he is doing fine. Good thing

because I'm exhausted! LOL We ended school yesterday so I have to write

quarterly reports and year end assessments this weekend. Girls start camp

next weekend. Becky is going to music camp and she got a scholarship to

space camp for the next week. jo is going to gymnastics camp in a couple

of weeks. I just don't have the nerves, or desire, to send Seth to camp.

I'll just enjoy all this quiet time with Seth. LOL Now if they had a

trampoline camp close by, I'd send him to that! LOL Is Maddie in school for

the summer? I told them Seth wouldn't be coming this summer. All they do is

baby-sit, no teaching. I can watch him here at home just fine. Then again,

maybe I can't. LOL Dh was laying in the recliner and Jen was laying on the

couch yesterday. I heard the front door close and said where's Seth*? Dh

calmly says * he just went out* You should have seen us! LOL Like a

cartoon. LOL We all screamed *HE JUST WENT OUT* and ran for the door. LOL

Like the stooges all trying to get out at once. LOL Last week I was taking

Seth to the car and he bent down, I thought to pick grass. When I turned

around he was dangling a dead mole by the tail. GROSS!!!!!! Maybe I should

have sent him to school after all. LOL

Gail :-)

[Guest guest]

-,

What kind of stroller did you get for ? I need to get something

for . She has a hard time walking very far.

Try not to worry about the test. I will be thinking about you!!!

Pam

-- In @y..., Ltb3105@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 6/28/02 1:10:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> @y... writes:

>

>

> > Well, *I* think that is good news. I have those in my breasts

and uterus

> > and

> > have had no problems with them. Would be harder to get pregnant,

but I'm

> > not

> > in the position to do that now anyway! LOL I don't drink

coffee, tea or

> > colas. Never have. From all the things it could have been for

you....this

> >

> > is GREAT news. Will keep you in my prayers that there be no

future

> > problems

> > with them.

> >

>

> Gail, you don't know how much your post meant to me! Of course, I

am still

> worried, and my brother told me not to freak in the event they take

a biopsy

> as a " precaution " .....he says he's impressed with the medical

professionals

> here in TX that they're being so thorough....hah! Too bad they

couldn't

> figure out 's behavioral problems!!

>

> Everyone's telling me they've had those fibroid cysts too, it's

unreal how

> many women have them....I never knew!

>

> On a good note, I got a phone call today and they approved 's

> stroller!!!!!! I can't believe I actually got approved the first

go

> around...LOL.....that and the medical travel reimbursement were

both great

> pieces of news in the last week or so.

>

> Now, if only I can get good news about these tests!!!

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gail,

This was so hilarious towards the end of your message on Seth's " out-

the-door " . I can totally relate and picture the same thing if it had

been . Boy! Oh Boy! This is our joyful life. Great to hear your

dh is doing very well, we shall still celebrate with a Fourth of July

with a tremendous " Bang! " of this miraculous recovery. I say Seth

would be better off staying with you, do follow your mother instincts

and what you've observed of what will help him so that he will not

regress. Gosh! Its alot of work of how much we accomplish with our

kids in the areas needed to get thrown off with some educators that

are not as educated in the autism area, it would make a difference

for our kids to get thrown off. Luck with your busy schedule with the

rest of your family clan, you're such a " special mom " .

Hugs,

Irma,13,DS/ASD

> In a message dated 6/29/02 7:46:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

duffey48@a...

> writes:

>

> << Great news Gail!!!!!! Hey, how's your DH doing these days???

> And congrats on the stroller .

> Donna >>

>

> Hi Donna,

> Dh is doing very well. Thanks for asking. He is building his

strength back

> up slowly but surly. We went to the docs a couple of days ago and

other than

> having to go back on the cholesterol meds, he is doing fine. Good

thing

> because I'm exhausted! LOL We ended school yesterday so I have to

write

> quarterly reports and year end assessments this weekend. Girls

start camp

> next weekend. Becky is going to music camp and she got a

scholarship to

> space camp for the next week. jo is going to gymnastics camp

in a couple

> of weeks. I just don't have the nerves, or desire, to send Seth to

camp.

> I'll just enjoy all this quiet time with Seth. LOL Now if they

had a

> trampoline camp close by, I'd send him to that! LOL Is Maddie in

school for

> the summer? I told them Seth wouldn't be coming this summer. All

they do is

> baby-sit, no teaching. I can watch him here at home just fine.

Then again,

> maybe I can't. LOL Dh was laying in the recliner and Jen was

laying on the

> couch yesterday. I heard the front door close and said where's

Seth*? Dh

> calmly says * he just went out* You should have seen us! LOL

Like a

> cartoon. LOL We all screamed *HE JUST WENT OUT* and ran for the

door. LOL

> Like the stooges all trying to get out at once. LOL Last week I

was taking

> Seth to the car and he bent down, I thought to pick grass. When I

turned

> around he was dangling a dead mole by the tail. GROSS!!!!!!

Maybe I should

> have sent him to school after all. LOL

> Gail :-)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/29/02 11:26:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

smilinggail@... writes:

> Is Maddie in school for

> the summer? I told them Seth wouldn't be coming this summer. All they do

> is

> baby-sit, no teaching. I can watch him here at home just fine. Then

> again,

> maybe I can't. LOL Dh was laying in the recliner and Jen was laying on

> the

> couch yesterday. I heard the front door close and said where's Seth*? Dh

> calmly says * he just went out* You should have seen us! LOL Like a

> cartoon. LOL We all screamed *HE JUST WENT OUT* and ran for the door.

> LOL

>

LOLOL Gail!!!!! That is REALLY something we all could relate to....LOLOL

Should have been filmed though!!! LOL

Maddie is off for 2 1/2 weeks; goes back to school on the 8th.

Donna

[Guest guest]

We HAVE to have strong bones!!!! Congrat's Betsy!!!!!!!

Jim

Who didn't get listed in the litany of Woes, but will live anyway!

some good news

Amidst Mel's fibro attack, Marta and Cindee's teeth ,Joe's swollen

grapefruit, 's uncle's cancer and Lilyen's persistent traumas, I

received a piece of good news- my DEXA bone scan came back at 2.4. The

Dr was very surprised that it was so high- guess there is some truth the

the idea that fat people build strong bones to carry all our weight.

Betsy

[Guest guest]

Great news, Betsy!

Hugs!

Tracey

> Amidst Mel's fibro attack, Marta and Cindee's teeth ,Joe's swollen

grapefruit, 's uncle's cancer and Lilyen's persistent

traumas, I received a piece of good news- my DEXA bone scan came

back at 2.4. The Dr was very surprised that it was so high- guess

there is some truth the the idea that fat people build strong bones

to carry all our weight. Betsy

>

>