pain

[Guest guest]

I also believe Darvocet is useless. I buy an OTC med called Percogesic. I

always have to ask for it at a drug store. For some reason, they don't usually

carry it, but it is great. I now go to a pain clinic that is pretty liberal

with the meds. I started on Tylenol 3, I believe. I have gone through Lortab

and am now on the 7.5 Percocets. They prescribe enough for me to take 4 a day

if I need it. I recently moved farther away from my pain clinic, but I drive

there anyway. It took too many years to find them!

Tami

[Guest guest]

Wow! you guys must not have much pain.

Neurontin is very effective in combination with Fentanyl patches.

I have recently cut out Oxycontin in favor of a larger patch, which

really works well. I have been able to reduce Nortriptyline, which

destroys one's libido and causes sleep problems, by 1/3.

I also use marijuana which is available here in California, as it is

very good at fighting my neuropathic pain.

[Guest guest]

Hey ! 

I pesonally think I have developed a high tolerance to pain. Twenty years ago, a

doctor verified that I had been walking on a broken foot for a month! It could

also be that not only are my motor neurons damaged, but, my sensory nerves may

not be carrying all the pain info back to my brain! Some things are very painful

though, like cold.

Dawn

[Guest guest]

Jim,

 

So sorry to hear about your pain. Doctors always jump to the conclusion that

it's cancer because they often don't believe it's curable I think. But certainly

we cancer survivors never have headaches, We have BRAIN TUMORS. Meaning that

whenever we get a pain or lump, OF COURSE, we think tumor.

 

I would trust your gut instincts and let the doctor freak out about it until you

get the results. Of course, easier said then done.  Back in 2006, I threw up

violently on the biopsy table. They thought I had a brain tumor. It came back

negative. I also have a client who had an ultra-sound recently. A large mass 4.5

x 3.6 was in her kidney (we thought). An MRI ruled it out.

 

It is natural for everyone to jump to TUMORS as we have a serious disease we

have to monitor for the rest of our lives.

 

Know that you are in our thoughts and prayers on this website. I am rooting for

you. Keep us informed.

 

Sincerely,

 

From: jrrjim <jim.mcelroy10@...>

Subject: [ ] Pain

Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 8:52 AM

For the first time in my 1 year alternative struggle against cancer, I have

pain. At times, debilitating pain.

The pain sets in from 5 minutes to 1 hour after I eat. It does not seem to be

fat related, so I don't think it is a gall bladder issue. In fact, yesterday, I

ate an avacado and sprout sandwich, and downed a fistful of various supplements

and herbs (including some powerful herbs) and there was much much much less pain

with the avacado sandwich than with an oil-free vegetable soup I had six hours

later (carrots, peas, celery, potatoes, beans, bell, red, and yellow peppers,

and various seasonings) with which I had no supplements.

The pain started hitting me 3 1/2 weeks ago at the exact same time my wife and

son and I all got some sort of intestinal bug. But theirs cleared up in 4 days

and mine is going on into its 4th week.

The pain often centers around the small of the back and in the groin. Other

times it seems to creep up both hip bones. Sometimes it seems to migrate to the

kidney areas. Rarely it goes above the navel.

I've tried aloe, colloidal silver, and grapefruit seed extract (GSE) to try to

sooth any hot spots or kill any pathogens. I've tried a lot of probiotics.

Nothing seems to help.

I went to the doctor a few days ago (internal surgeon) -- an appointment I

scheduled weeks ago before the pain. The intention was to have the doctor check

out a lump in my groin. He did -- it is a hernia. I also have a golf ball sized

hernia around my navel from an operation incision.

The doctor seemed very irritated at me for not doing chemo and radiation, and I

don't know if this colored what he had to say. He said the pain was undoubtedly

due to a blockage of the small intestine, probably caused by a tumor. However,

he made this speculation based purely on my description of my symptoms, and not

a physical exam.

This seems a bit suspicious to me for the following reasons:

The symptoms came on very suddenly, even though they have not abated in almost 4

weeks. Why whould they come on suddenly if there was a tumor problem?

An online search shows that 95% of all small intestine blockages are caused by

either scar tissue adhesions or HERNIAS. I have 2 hernias. (I have also had two

major surgeries with huge incisions). But the doctor said that hernias rarely

cause pain. Why would he lie so blatantly about this? (Actually he said MY

hernias would not be causing pain -- but he didn't even look at them except with

the briefest glance and a slight touch).

Besides -- Outside of the pain, I don't seem to have a blockage -- I am passing

okay. And the pain has come on with my intestines completely empty. I did a gall

bladder flush 2 weeks ago in which my intestines were so clean it was unreal --

just water was coming out. And yet the pain was still there. How could this pain

be caused by a blockage if my intestines were completely empty and there was

still pain?

What scares me is the idea of a tumor pressing against the spine, and when the

intestines get in a certain position, with food or not, they cause the tumor to

press harder against nerves.

I need suggestions for getting rid of the pain. I'd like to continue on low dose

naltrexone, which would me I should probably not take opiates, I would think.

What else works for really bad pain?

[Guest guest]

Was turmeric one of the herbs?

Cheri

>

> For the first time in my 1 year alternative struggle against cancer, I have

pain. At times, debilitating pain.

>

> The pain sets in from 5 minutes to 1 hour after I eat. It does not seem to be

fat related, so I don't think it is a gall bladder issue. In fact, yesterday, I

ate an avacado and sprout sandwich, and downed a fistful of various supplements

and herbs (including some powerful herbs) and there was much much much less pain

with the avacado sandwich than with an oil-free vegetable soup I had six hours

later (carrots, peas, celery, potatoes, beans, bell, red, and yellow peppers,

and various seasonings) with which I had no supplements.

>

> The pain started hitting me 3 1/2 weeks ago at the exact same time my wife and

son and I all got some sort of intestinal bug. But theirs cleared up in 4 days

and mine is going on into its 4th week.

>

> The pain often centers around the small of the back and in the groin. Other

times it seems to creep up both hip bones. Sometimes it seems to migrate to the

kidney areas. Rarely it goes above the navel.

>

> I've tried aloe, colloidal silver, and grapefruit seed extract (GSE) to try to

sooth any hot spots or kill any pathogens. I've tried a lot of probiotics.

Nothing seems to help.

>

> I went to the doctor a few days ago (internal surgeon) -- an appointment I

scheduled weeks ago before the pain. The intention was to have the doctor check

out a lump in my groin. He did -- it is a hernia. I also have a golf ball

sized hernia around my navel from an operation incision.

>

> The doctor seemed very irritated at me for not doing chemo and radiation, and

I don't know if this colored what he had to say. He said the pain was

undoubtedly due to a blockage of the small intestine, probably caused by a

tumor. However, he made this speculation based purely on my description of my

symptoms, and not a physical exam.

>

> This seems a bit suspicious to me for the following reasons:

>

> The symptoms came on very suddenly, even though they have not abated in almost

4 weeks. Why whould they come on suddenly if there was a tumor problem?

>

> An online search shows that 95% of all small intestine blockages are caused by

either scar tissue adhesions or HERNIAS. I have 2 hernias. (I have also had

two major surgeries with huge incisions). But the doctor said that hernias

rarely cause pain. Why would he lie so blatantly about this? (Actually he said

MY hernias would not be causing pain -- but he didn't even look at them except

with the briefest glance and a slight touch).

>

> Besides -- Outside of the pain, I don't seem to have a blockage -- I am

passing okay. And the pain has come on with my intestines completely empty. I

did a gall bladder flush 2 weeks ago in which my intestines were so clean it was

unreal -- just water was coming out. And yet the pain was still there. How

could this pain be caused by a blockage if my intestines were completely empty

and there was still pain?

>

> What scares me is the idea of a tumor pressing against the spine, and when the

intestines get in a certain position, with food or not, they cause the tumor to

press harder against nerves.

>

> I need suggestions for getting rid of the pain. I'd like to continue on low

dose naltrexone, which would me I should probably not take opiates, I would

think. What else works for really bad pain?

>

[Guest guest]

I haven't tried it yet but I keep reading about how effective coffee enemas are

in pain relief.

From: cheryl <cheri607@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Pain

Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 9:38 PM

Was turmeric one of the herbs?

Cheri

>

> For the first time in my 1 year alternative struggle against cancer, I have

pain. At times, debilitating pain.

>

> The pain sets in from 5 minutes to 1 hour after I eat. It does not seem to be

fat related, so I don't think it is a gall bladder issue. In fact, yesterday, I

ate an avacado and sprout sandwich, and downed a fistful of various supplements

and herbs (including some powerful herbs) and there was much much much less pain

with the avacado sandwich than with an oil-free vegetable soup I had six hours

later (carrots, peas, celery, potatoes, beans, bell, red, and yellow peppers,

and various seasonings) with which I had no supplements.

>

> The pain started hitting me 3 1/2 weeks ago at the exact same time my wife and

son and I all got some sort of intestinal bug. But theirs cleared up in 4 days

and mine is going on into its 4th week.

>

> The pain often centers around the small of the back and in the groin. Other

times it seems to creep up both hip bones. Sometimes it seems to migrate to the

kidney areas. Rarely it goes above the navel.

>

> I've tried aloe, colloidal silver, and grapefruit seed extract (GSE) to try to

sooth any hot spots or kill any pathogens. I've tried a lot of probiotics.

Nothing seems to help.

>

> I went to the doctor a few days ago (internal surgeon) -- an appointment I

scheduled weeks ago before the pain. The intention was to have the doctor check

out a lump in my groin. He did -- it is a hernia. I also have a golf ball sized

hernia around my navel from an operation incision.

>

> The doctor seemed very irritated at me for not doing chemo and radiation, and

I don't know if this colored what he had to say. He said the pain was

undoubtedly due to a blockage of the small intestine, probably caused by a

tumor. However, he made this speculation based purely on my description of my

symptoms, and not a physical exam.

>

> This seems a bit suspicious to me for the following reasons:

>

> The symptoms came on very suddenly, even though they have not abated in almost

4 weeks. Why whould they come on suddenly if there was a tumor problem?

>

> An online search shows that 95% of all small intestine blockages are caused by

either scar tissue adhesions or HERNIAS. I have 2 hernias. (I have also had two

major surgeries with huge incisions). But the doctor said that hernias rarely

cause pain. Why would he lie so blatantly about this? (Actually he said MY

hernias would not be causing pain -- but he didn't even look at them except with

the briefest glance and a slight touch).

>

> Besides -- Outside of the pain, I don't seem to have a blockage -- I am

passing okay. And the pain has come on with my intestines completely empty. I

did a gall bladder flush 2 weeks ago in which my intestines were so clean it was

unreal -- just water was coming out. And yet the pain was still there. How could

this pain be caused by a blockage if my intestines were completely empty and

there was still pain?

>

> What scares me is the idea of a tumor pressing against the spine, and when the

intestines get in a certain position, with food or not, they cause the tumor to

press harder against nerves.

>

> I need suggestions for getting rid of the pain. I'd like to continue on low

dose naltrexone, which would me I should probably not take opiates, I would

think. What else works for really bad pain?

>

[Guest guest]

Jim,

Have you tried Gerson style coffee enemas?

Lie on your right side.

Brewed organic coffee.

Insert in anus.

Hold for 15 minutes.

Massage clockwise.

Release.

Should relieve you of pain.

Best wishes,

Edwin

jrrjim wrote:

>

>

> For the first time in my 1 year alternative struggle against cancer, I

> have pain. At times, debilitating pain.

>

> The pain sets in from 5 minutes to 1 hour after I eat. It does not

> seem to be fat related, so I don't think it is a gall bladder issue.

> In fact, yesterday, I ate an avacado and sprout sandwich, and downed a

> fistful of various supplements and herbs (including some powerful

> herbs) and there was much much much less pain with the avacado

> sandwich than with an oil-free vegetable soup I had six hours later

> (carrots, peas, celery, potatoes, beans, bell, red, and yellow

> peppers, and various seasonings) with which I had no supplements.

>

> The pain started hitting me 3 1/2 weeks ago at the exact same time my

> wife and son and I all got some sort of intestinal bug. But theirs

> cleared up in 4 days and mine is going on into its 4th week.

>

> The pain often centers around the small of the back and in the groin.

> Other times it seems to creep up both hip bones. Sometimes it seems to

> migrate to the kidney areas. Rarely it goes above the navel.

>

> I've tried aloe, colloidal silver, and grapefruit seed extract (GSE)

> to try to sooth any hot spots or kill any pathogens. I've tried a lot

> of probiotics. Nothing seems to help........

>

[Guest guest]

Menadione, DLPA, slippery elm, and rife are mentioned here before as good pain

relievers.

" jrrjim " <jim.mcelroy10@...> wrote:

>

> For the first time in my 1 year alternative struggle against cancer, I have

pain. At times, debilitating pain............

>

[Guest guest]

Yes. I try to take 2,000 mg a day in 4 capsules.

>

> Was turmeric one of the herbs?

>

> Cheri

>

[Guest guest]

Do I need to do a clear enema first to flush out the intestine?

I've avoided coffee enemas thinking I needed to do a clear enema first, and

those take me up to an hour to get all the water in and then expel it all.

>

> Jim,

>

> Have you tried Gerson style coffee enemas?

> Lie on your right side.

> Brewed organic coffee.

> Insert in anus.

> Hold for 15 minutes.

> Massage clockwise.

> Release.

>

> Should relieve you of pain.

>

> Best wishes,

> Edwin

>

[Guest guest]

DLPA makes me really hyper and aggressive. I read somewhere once that only the

" D " form is the pain killer. Is this true?

> >

> > For the first time in my 1 year alternative struggle against cancer, I have

pain. At times, debilitating pain............

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jim,

When my wife came back from surgery, they gave her a pain killer that was so

strong that an allergic reaction got her very sick...

So I went to buy some marijuana..it was her first time!!... and God does it

work!! We watched all day some funny movies and she laughed for hours !! She

loved it.!!

I guess this experience had released some blocked energies because her pains

never came back.

I am a strong believer of the power of laughter to boost the immune system and

also to fight pain. Every day she will watch at least one hour of funny clips on

Youtube before going to bed.. after this bath of happy molecules she will sleep,

all night like a baby giving a chance to her Mind and body to heal.

A very good book on the subject of pain and laughter :

" Anatomy of a Illness by Norman Cousin " Check his incredible story :-)

I am searching for the Gerson's coffee enema protocol for you. It is very good

for pain.

[Guest guest]

Jim,

Make sure you are fully hydrated, you juice your veggies / fruits for

super nutrition / raw fats / raw liver or whatever nutritional stuff you

do. This is the foundation for recovery.

You only need to clear the intestines if you have a lot of built up

fecal matter, if you have never done a colon cleanse. Just do this

clear enema once.

Once cleared, you can do coffee enemas 2x a day.

The logic is the coffee enemas reach out to your liver which has piled

up poisons in it, the coffee opens it up, unloads the toxic stuff, you

expel canal smelly stuff... which was causing you pain.

Maybe this story will inspire you...

http://www.myhealthblog.org/2009/04/01/pepito-with-liver-cancer-does-coffee-enem\

a-best-painkiller-ever/

Best wishes,

Edwin

jrrjim wrote:

>

>

> Do I need to do a clear enema first to flush out the intestine?

>

> I've avoided coffee enemas thinking I needed to do a clear enema

> first, and those take me up to an hour to get all the water in and

> then expel it all.

>

>

> >

> > Jim,

> >

> > Have you tried Gerson style coffee enemas?

> > Lie on your right side.

> > Brewed organic coffee.

> > Insert in anus.

> > Hold for 15 minutes.

> > Massage clockwise.

> > Release.

> >

> > Should relieve you of pain.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Edwin

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am just guessing but could the pain be coming from the pancreas? Turmeric is

very good for your pancreas which would explain why when you ate a solid but

took the herbs you have less pain then when drinking the soup? Just a wild guess

as I had panreatitis sp? and man was that the worst pain (other than childbirth)

I have ever had.

Cheri

> >

> > Was turmeric one of the herbs?

> >

> > Cheri

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Could pancreatitis last 3-4 weeks? If so, will it go away on its own?

Would it interfere with digestion? Would avacados make it feel better?

> > >

> > > Was turmeric one of the herbs?

> > >

> > > Cheri

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim,

I just read that you are having a lot of pain.  If you ever want to try EFT

(Emotional Freedom Techniques) please don't hesitate to call me and we can do a

phone session.  Quite often this technique can alleviate the pain in minutes.  I

hope you will give it a try.

Robbi Meyers

(408) 356-8938

For the first time in my 1 year alternative struggle against cancer, I

have pain. At times, debilitating pain.

The pain sets in from 5 minutes to 1 hour after I eat. It does not seem to be

fat related, so I don't think it is a gall bladder issue. In fact, yesterday, I

ate an avacado and sprout sandwich, and downed a fistful of various supplements

and herbs (including some powerful herbs) and there was much much much less pain

with the avacado sandwich than with an oil-free vegetable soup I had six hours

later (carrots, peas, celery, potatoes, beans, bell, red, and yellow peppers,

and various seasonings) with which I had no supplements.

The pain started hitting me 3 1/2 weeks ago at the exact same time my wife and

son and I all got some sort of intestinal bug. But theirs cleared up in 4 days

and mine is going on into its 4th week.

The pain often centers around the small of the back and in the groin. Other

times it seems to creep up both hip bones. Sometimes it seems to migrate to the

kidney areas. Rarely it goes above the navel.

I've tried aloe, colloidal silver, and grapefruit seed extract (GSE) to try to

sooth any hot spots or kill any pathogens. I've tried a lot of probiotics.

Nothing seems to help.

I went to the doctor a few days ago (internal surgeon) -- an appointment I

scheduled weeks ago before the pain. The intention was to have the doctor check

out a lump in my groin. He did -- it is a hernia. I also have a golf ball

sized hernia around my navel from an operation incision.

The doctor seemed very irritated at me for not doing chemo and radiation, and I

don't know if this colored what he had to say. He said the pain was undoubtedly

due to a blockage of the small intestine, probably caused by a tumor. However,

he made this speculation based purely on my description of my symptoms, and not

a physical exam.

This seems a bit suspicious to me for the following reasons:

The symptoms came on very suddenly, even though they have not abated in almost 4

weeks. Why whould they come on suddenly if there was a tumor problem?

An online search shows that 95% of all small intestine blockages are caused by

either scar tissue adhesions or HERNIAS. I have 2 hernias. (I have also had

two major surgeries with huge incisions). But the doctor said that hernias

rarely cause pain. Why would he lie so blatantly about this? (Actually he said

MY hernias would not be causing pain -- but he didn't even look at them except

with the briefest glance and a slight touch).

Besides -- Outside of the pain, I don't seem to have a blockage -- I am passing

okay. And the pain has come on with my intestines completely empty. I did a

gall bladder flush 2 weeks ago in which my intestines were so clean it was

unreal -- just water was coming out. And yet the pain was still there. How

could this pain be caused by a blockage if my intestines were completely empty

and there was still pain?

What scares me is the idea of a tumor pressing against the spine, and when the

intestines get in a certain position, with food or not, they cause the tumor to

press harder against nerves.

I need suggestions for getting rid of the pain. I'd like to continue on low

dose naltrexone, which would me I should probably not take opiates, I would

think. What else works for really bad pain?

[Guest guest]

I am taking a stab in the dark because it reminds me of my symptoms but you are

not a prime candidate I would think. Anyway the easiest way to heal the pancreas

is a short fast. Only liquids. Turmeric will help produce bile and heal faster

also.

And yes it can last weeks or more progressively getting worse. Usually a 24 to

48 hour break from solids will work. Avacado might not make it better but I

think the turmeric will. That is why I asked what herbs you were taking when you

ate the avacado. Turmeric will help the pancreas digest what you eat making it

have to work less.

Cheri

> > > >

> > > > Was turmeric one of the herbs?

> > > >

> > > > Cheri

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Marijuana and pain. You can also prepare a powerful rubbing alcohol with

marijuana. I learn this from old Cubans playing dominos at the coffee shop. ( I

live in Florida ).

That the way they do it. Take some rubbing alcohol, put it in a glass bottle

with marijuana and leave it for a month in the ground. That what they've being

using in Cuba against pain . The bottle had to be in the ground.. don't ask me

why :-)

[Guest guest]

The following are the things that I’m confident are PARTICULARLY EFFECTIVE for

pain relief:

“DLPA [DL-phenylalanine]…75% of the time it works as well as

morphine....DLPA can be picked up at the many/most vitamin stores. Usual dose

is about 3 grams per day until pain is gone….slows the catabolism of the

body's endorphins. Once management is achieved modulate at about 500mg per

day.†( Gammill, 7/26/04). According to Dr. Earl

Mindell…DL-Phenylalanine is as...effective in relieving pain as morphine...and

does not have...the dangerous side effects...It also has the ability to

potentiate opiates so that if you are taking morphine you can boost its

effectiveness by also taking DL-Phenylalanine. " Chamberlain (2008).

_Cancer_, p. 20, www.fightingcancer.com. DLPA doesn’t work for everyone

though. “Folks with melanoma need to steer clear of DLPA. It stimulates

something on the surface of the melanocyteâ€

*Re-Lev-It (www.Letstalkhealth.com) -- anti-inflammatory; contains curcumin; Dr.

Donsbach claimed (9/08) that it usually gets patients off morphine.

Yan Hu Suo--from Chinese fumewort; " has been compared to morphine "

www.naturalhealthconsult.com/Monographs/yanhusuo.html

Tramadol (Ultram)†" requires prescription; “endorsed by [LEF.org] as the pain

med of choice for cancer patients…does not depress the immune system, instead

increasing natural killer cell activityâ€

www.ortho-mcneil.com/products/pi/pdfs/ultram.pdf (Prescribing information)

www.search.lef.org/src-cgi-bin/MsmGo.exe?grab_id=7 & EXTRA_ARG= & CFGNAME=MssFind%2E\

cfg & host_id=42 & page_id=8913920 & query=tramadol & hiword=tramadol+

SPES--“more effective than morphine†( Yance [master herbalist

w/superb reputation], 1999, p. 165); by Botaniclab (800-242-5555)

castor oil packs

coffee enemas, colonics, and other detox methods

dental detox-- elimination of dental infections; consult holistic dentist

(www.iaomt.org)

*Pain Control audio by Hemi-Sync (www.hemi-sync.com/catalog)-- I've been told

they can be powerfully pain-relieving. I might also consider their Cancer

Support Series, Surgical Support Series, and De-Discomfort.

germanium-132 (Ge-132)-- very effective pain reliever; I’d take moderate to

large doses only under supervision of physician

alkalinzing one's body, particularly by using

cesium-- use ONLY under medical supervision; “severe pain from prostate

cancer…disappeared a couple of days after he began the cesium. Before that, he

was on morphineâ€; May take up to 3 days to be effective. For more info " The

Pain of Terminal Cancer on pp. 313- of _Painfree in Six Weeks_ by Sherry

â€

magnets-- see Philpott’s Magnet Therapy (TenSpeed.com).

“E.F.T. (Emotion Freedom Technique) [www.emofree.com] can be used to relieve

pain. It consists of tapping with finger tips on energy meridian points. You can

find out more about it at www.emofree.com or contact me privately. I am a

practitioner but do not charge for cancer patients.

Priest

www.eftrelief.comâ€

I know NOTHING about Priest.

See also www.emofree.com/articles/cancer-group-results.htm

Rife machines and related frequency generators

The following are other things that I think provide significant pain relief:

Pain-Eze

www.rainbowlight.com/Categories.aspx?Category=5d92a396-71e2-4eed-a2c3-764c09ff08\

96

(contains magnesium, manganese, poppy, corydalis (rhizome), Chinese peony,

meadowsweet)

very effective for many types of pain (e.g., inflammatory pain)

Pan Away (YoungLivingOils.com)†" helichrysum, wintegreen, clove, & peppermint

essential oils; anti-inflammatory; take externally

valerian essential oil’s also effective

Noni juice--“ Gerson [M.D.] states that this product is 70% as effective

as morphineâ€, but I don’t recall hearing anyone else mentioning Noni as

being a pain-killer, so I’m skeptical

mushrooms-- reishi, cordyceps, shiitake

" Dr. Rowen in his newsletter Second Opinion, wrote about the remarkable

results obtained by simply exerting a slight pressure on the edge of a muscle or

tendon...applied in a 90 degree direction perpendicular to its line of force.

This results in a relaxation of the muscle or tendon....originated by Tom

Bowen....can be used for Muscle sprains, carpal tunnel...elbow problems, PMS,

menopause, fibroids, prostate problems, sciatica, migraines, ear

problems...TMJ...respiratory problems and even organ dysfunctions....Bowen

Registry...866-862-6936.... USBR@...) "

Reiki & other energy healing

visualization/imagery, meditation, & relaxation techniques

acupuncture & acupressure

neural therapy

lymphatic detox

Pain caused by inflammation can be reduced by anti-inflammatory herbs (e.g.,

turmeric/curcumin, burdock, ginger), fish oil, and (taken on empty stomach)

bromelain & pancreatin

Vit. B3 (Niacin)-- 50 mg, up to 6x/day

Vit. C-- 500 mg, 6x/day

Vit. D

amygdalin/Laetrile-- relieves pain, nausea, and vomiting. Available in the form

of ground apricot pits. Do NOT exceed recommended oral dosage, and do NOT use

Laetrile/amygdalin at times of fever. Take it with food, in several small

dosages throughout the day (NOT 1 large dosage). Use a good brand.

For more info on mind-body approaches,

www.annieappleseedproject.org/painfordealw.html

For more info on cancer pain relief, see

www.lef.org/protocols/health_concerns/chronic_pain_01.htm

www.annieappleseedproject.org/painstudies.html

www.alkalizeforhealth.org

www.healingcancernaturally.com/cancer-pain-management-relief.html

www.stopcancer.com/pain.htm

www.painsupport.co.uk (natural methods; not specifically cancer)

www.mercola.com/2003/dec/20/pain_relief.htm

Please send me any suggested changes to the info I've posted above.

Leonard

[Guest guest]

Hi Jan,I'm sorry you are experiencing pain.  You might want to start over at a lower dose, say1.5 mg and build up to a higher dose over a month or two.JacoFrom: Jan Goodale <jmn@...>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Painlow dose naltrexone Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 8:50 PM

I am taking LDN 4.5 at 10 pm and started 4 nites ago.  nite before last it worked great, last nite I didnt get to sleep at all and was terrible pain - which has continued through this day.  I dont have any opiate drugs I am taking, so i am wondering what could be going on. 

 

I AM taking a supplement called 5HTP, which raises serotonin levels, like an antidepressant does. I take 400 mg. divided into 100 mg. 4 times/day.  Is it possible this could be doing something that would cause this reaction?

 

Would appreciate any comments re: this problem.

 

Jan Goodale

jmn@...

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Jaco. Someone also suggested I skip a nite. I dont know how soon I could get the lower dose, so in the meantime I may try the skip? or maybe I can empty some out of the capsule?

[low dose naltrexone] Painlow dose naltrexone Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 8:50 PM

I am taking LDN 4.5 at 10 pm and started 4 nites ago. nite before last it worked great, last nite I didnt get to sleep at all and was terrible pain - which has continued through this day. I dont have any opiate drugs I am taking, so i am wondering what could be going on.

I AM taking a supplement called 5HTP, which raises serotonin levels, like an antidepressant does. I take 400 mg. divided into 100 mg. 4 times/day. Is it possible this could be doing something that would cause this reaction?

Would appreciate any comments re: this problem.

Jan Goodale

jmn@...

[Guest guest]

>

> I am taking LDN 4.5 at 10 pm and started 4 nites ago. nite before last it

worked great, last nite I didnt get to sleep at all and was terrible pain -

which has continued through this day. I dont have any opiate drugs I am taking,

so i am wondering what could be going on.

>

> I AM taking a supplement called 5HTP, which raises serotonin levels, like an

antidepressant does. I take 400 mg. divided into 100 mg. 4 times/day. Is it

possible this could be doing something that would cause this reaction?

>

> Would appreciate any comments re: this problem.

>

> Jan Goodale

> jmn@...

>-----------

My pain increases significantly during certain weather patterns. Did your area

have rain coming in, high humidity?

[Guest guest]

Jan, I take 5 htp every day, from 200 to 400 mgs . I am on 2 mgs LDN, and I have had no bad interactions of the two.That's just me, I don't have fibro, but thought I would let you know.I started April 3rd.

-- Warmest Regards,Robin LittleI AM taking a supplement called 5HTP, which raises

serotonin levels, like an antidepressant does. I take 400 mg. divided

into 100 mg. 4 times/day. Is it possible this could be doing something

that would cause this reaction?

Would appreciate any comments re: this problem.

Jan Goodale

[Guest guest]

Hi Bren and everybody,

I am wishing everyone good luck and farewell - I am off the LDN and back on the FMS protocol. when the 5th nite came and I took LDN, and it finally gave me some relief - 2 hours - I decided this is not for me. But I am glad for those of you who are using this successfully for FMS.

i HAVE tried before, and was hopeful this time it would work for me, but can't handle it any longer and will be back on my old FMS stuff. drugs for pain and sleep.

Jan Goodalee

[low dose naltrexone] Re: Pain

>> I am taking LDN 4.5 at 10 pm and started 4 nites ago. nite before last it worked great, last nite I didnt get to sleep at all and was terrible pain - which has continued through this day. I dont have any opiate drugs I am taking, so i am wondering what could be going on. > > I AM taking a supplement called 5HTP, which raises serotonin levels, like an antidepressant does. I take 400 mg. divided into 100 mg. 4 times/day. Is it possible this could be doing something that would cause this reaction?> > Would appreciate any comments re: this problem.> > Jan Goodale> jmn@...>-----------My pain increases significantly during certain weather patterns. Did your area have rain coming in, high humidity?

[Guest guest]

Hi Jan,

I am on my 6th night too, and I am going to push through it for a full month

(fibromyalgia and transverse myelitis).

I had a little bit better sleep tonight, so I am hoping that I am about to turn

the corner. The pain is awful, but I am hoping that is an initial reaction to

it.

The last time you tried, how long did you give it?

Also, I am only on 1.5mg, and i noticed you were on the full dose. Did you try

ramping up before?

Carolyn

> >

> > I am taking LDN 4.5 at 10 pm and started 4 nites ago. nite before last it

worked great, last nite I didnt get to sleep at all and was terrible pain -

which has continued through this day. I dont have any opiate drugs I am taking,

so i am wondering what could be going on.

> >

> > I AM taking a supplement called 5HTP, which raises serotonin levels, like

an antidepressant does. I take 400 mg. divided into 100 mg. 4 times/day. Is it

possible this could be doing something that would cause this reaction?

> >

> > Would appreciate any comments re: this problem.

> >

> > Jan Goodale

> > jmn@

> >-----------

>

> My pain increases significantly during certain weather patterns. Did your

area have rain coming in, high humidity?

>

>

>