Gout

[Guest guest]

As far as i know cooked meat causes uric acid, probably refined types of food

as well

Eat loys of steamed and raw vegetables and cut back on meat for a while. I dont

think efa's cause uric acid.

BHow4322@... wrote:

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> I have been a lurker for a while becuase I have been feeling so good, but

> recently I have some discomfort, especially in my feet. I had my bllod work

> done and it is all in the good to excellent range, with the exception of the

> Uric acid, which can cause gout. Doing some research on gout, I have found

> that increased consumption of oily fish can cause increased uric acid. Does

> anyone know if taking large amount of essential fatty acids , such as

> recommended by Dr. Franco, can cause increased uric acid.

>

> Thanks

>

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[Guest guest]

The list below seems to indicate use of *any* fats should be in moderation,

but I have seen EFA sulpplements advertised that they should be used in gout

for their anti-inflammatory properties. Go figure. Sorry, I have never

seen whether fish oils contain high purines. Liz G

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from www.arthritis.co.za (Arthritis Index, Diseases Index, Gout)

Gout and diet

General Guidelines for Gout prevention

Avoid purine-rich foods (see Diet sheet chart - below )

The higher the purine content, the more uric acid will be produced in the

body.

If you are overweight, try and achieve your ideal weight through slow,

controlled weight loss (maximum 500 g per week).

Rapid / sudden fasting is not recommended as this can raise uric acid levels

and aggravate gout.

Avoid heavy, rich meals with high fat and protein content.

Alcohol should be avoided, particularly wine since it interferes with uric

acid excretion.

I generally require patients to comply strictly with diet whilst starting

them on second line medication therapy for gout, but liberalize the diet

after approximately six weeks, once stable.

Diet sheet

Forbidden

Very high purine content.

Herring, herring roe, meat extracts, mussels,

Sardines, yeast (brewer's and baker's).

Alcohol : Alcohol contains no purine but interferes with uric acid

excretion.

Avoid

High purine content - not more than one item once a week.

Anchovies, bacon, chicken soup, Beef, mutton leg, mutton chop, pheasant,

salmon, sausage, trout, turkey, veal, venison, lobster, crab.

Be careful

Moderate purine content-not more than one item 4 times a week.

Asparagus, bass, bouillon, brains, cauliflower, chicken, duck, halibut, ham,

kidney beans, lentils, Lima beans, liverwurst, mushrooms, oysters, peas,

plaice, pork, rabbit, roe, shad, spinach, tongue, tripe, tuna, wholegrain

cereals and bread.

Acceptable

Low or no purine content - as often as desired.

Beverages -tea, coffee, cocoa, chocolate

Carbonated soft drinks

Fruit juices

Sugar, sweets

Vegetables : (except those under BE CAREFUL)

Vegetables and cream soups (no meat stock)

Butter, fats of all kinds (in moderation)

Bread (except wholegrain)

Cereals (except wholegrain)

Cheese : all kinds (in moderation)

Eggs

Fruit

Milk - buttermilk, condensed, malted

Nuts - all kinds, peanut butter

Drink plenty of water (2-3 litres per day) to help flush uric acid through

the kidneys. Please note - if you have cardiac or kidney disease, your

doctor may actually require fluid restriction - and you should consult him

regarding fluid intake allowance.

Keep dietary fat to a minimum.

Be careful not to damage the joint.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi -- My mom has just been diagnosed with gout. Any suggestions

would

> be appreciated. Thank you! Tamara

>

GOUT

Definition: This is a form of arthritis characterized in its typical

form by deposits of sodium biurate in the joints and other

structures, and by recurrent arthritic crises.

Symptoms: Two varieties are described, which may be acute or chronic.

Acute Gout is usually preceded by certain prodromal symptoms —

restlessness, insomnia, moroseness, irritability, dyspepsia, and

changes in the urine. This is followed by the sudden appearance in

the early morning hours of pain and swelling in the ball of the

great toe. The inflamed joint is so tender that the slightest

pressure causes agony. It is of a reddish-purple color, the

overlying veins are full and distinct and its surface is glazed. The

pulse is quickened and temperature rises to 101 to 102 F. Toward

daylight the pain subsides and the patient falls asleep. He is

comparatively comfortable during the night, but there are severe

exacerbations for several successive nights. At first the crises may

be a year apart, but as they multiply, the interval grows less,

until finally the sufferer is seldom free from pain.

Retrocedent Gout is the term applied to a condition in which the

arthritic crisis suddenly subsides and grave gastric, cardiac, or

cerebral symptoms follow. It is probably due to suppression.

Chronic Gout: One by one, the joints become stiff, irregularly

enlarged and deformed. Chalk-stones (tophi) form and are sometimes

discharged through the skin by ulceration. Similar deposits are

often found along the tendons and in the helix of the ear, or on the

underside of the eyelid.

Non-articular Gout (uric acid diathesis, latent gout, goutiness,

lithemia) is a term applied to a group of symptoms in which no gout

is present. It resembles a case of severe, chronic indigestion.

Complications and Sequelae: Chronic interstitial nephritis,

arteriosclerosis, hypertrophy of the heart, angina pectoris,

apoplexy, chronic bronchitis, chronic eczema, urticaria and

psoriasis, are the chief complications.

Etiology: We will consider the cause of these various forms of

arthritis together, for they are all related and grow out of the

same causes. Fundamentally, toxemia is at the base of all these

conditions. Uric acid is suspected of playing a leading role in all

these affections, but its office in their production is not well

understood. We agree with Dr. Weger, when he says, uric acid,

instead of being the sole cause of rheumatism, is only one of the

many acids an excess of which leads to trouble and internal

dissention. No one knows just how many subtle chemical toxins are

involved in the arthritic process. There may be hundreds or even

thousands. Many years will elapse before we are able to isolate the

compounds which the amino acids alone are capable of forming with

one another and with other byproducts of both the protein and

carbohydrate families. We may safely assume that no single, harmful

chemical poison is alone and independently responsible for

rheumatism. Neither shall we be able for many years, if ever, to

isolate and designate any one particular toxic substance that causes

cancer or Bright's disease or hardening of the arteries. "

Excesses of all kinds build the toxic state back of these symptom-

complexes. Carbohydrates, especially the sugars, seem to give most

offense in causing rheumatism.

Prognosis: " Acute cases respond very readily and recurrences occur

only in those who return to their old habits of living and eating, "

says Dr. Weger. Chronic gout responds more slowly.

Care of the Patient: Fortunately, it is not necessary to know which,

if any, single toxin causes arthritis, or any other " disease, " in

order to eliminate it. Nor, do we need such knowledge in order to

eliminate the causes of enervation.

Fasting, rest and a corrected mode of living soon eliminate toxemia

and restore normal nerve energy. Dr. Weger says: " Experience has

proved that a change from acid-forming to base or alkali-forming

foods is followed by the most wholesome reactions. We have also

convinced ourselves and others that there is no remedial agency that

even approximates a complete fast in either acute or chronic

rheumatism. Metabolism is most rapidly altered by fasting, and the

body is thus more readily reconciled to accept a gradual chemical

change in the fluids and secretions. Fasting relieves pain more

effectively than drugs and with less risk of general harm. "

Arthritics do not handle sugars and starches well, due to metabolic

disturbance. However, best results are obtained, not by a mere

reduction of carbohydrates, but by a general reduction of the diet,

for the carbohydrates are not alone to blame. The toxemia present is

the result of long abuse with a redundancy of foods of all kinds and

in wrong combinations.

Not a mere reduction of foods, but abstinence from all food, will

most rapidly remedy the gastro-intestinal catarrh which represents

the starting-point of all cases of rheumatoid arthritis. But to this

must be added a correction of the whole mode of living and

sufficient rest for the restoration of full nerve force.

http://drbass.com/orthopathy/chapter8.html

[Guest guest]

It is my understanding that Blueberries work as well. C R

In a message dated 7/13/2006 12:39:24 PM Central Daylight Time,

dishchrista@... writes:

> Cherry juice or cherry juice concentrate. Do a google search for lots

> of info.

>

[Guest guest]

Cherry juice or cherry juice concentrate. Do a google search for lots

of info.

" Tart cherries contain flavonoid compounds that lower uric acid and

reduce inflammation. Tart cherry juice concentrate has demonstrated

to be extremely effective in reducing the pain associated with gout.

Tart cherries contain flavonoid compounds that lower uric acid and

reduce inflammation. "

Reference

Wang, Haibo, " Antioxidant and anti-inflammatory Compounds in tart

Cherries, " doctoral dissertation, Michigan State University, East

Lansing, MI 1998.

Christa

>

> Hi -- My mom has just been diagnosed with gout. Any suggestions

would

> be appreciated. Thank you! Tamara

>

[Guest guest]

Make sure it is " tart " cherry juice.

Allyn

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of craicker@...

Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:06 PM

Subject: Re: Re: gout

It is my understanding that Blueberries work as well. C R

In a message dated 7/13/2006 12:39:24 PM Central Daylight Time,

dishchrista@ <mailto:dishchrista%40> writes:

> Cherry juice or cherry juice concentrate. Do a google search for lots

> of info.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tamara...

Thought of your mother tonight when I was doing a bit of research regarding

celery and arthritis. Celery seed sounds useful for gout pain...here's one

site of many: http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsHerbs/CelerySeedch.html

Sharon

On 7/12/06, tamara <tamsue@...> wrote:

>

> Hi -- My mom has just been diagnosed with gout. Any suggestions would

> be appreciated. Thank you! Tamara

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee, I know someone that is suffering from continual gout

problems. Their doctor is putting them on medication to ease the

symptoms and now they need different medication as it's no longer

working. I know this maybe totally unrelated, but is there anything I

can suggest to them about this? Is it at all related to candida or is

it simply genetic?

==>Gout isn't necessarily genetic or related to candida. See the

Treatments Folder for Gout Treatments.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Seems to me Sol that the calcium didn't bind to the uric acid for excretion,

resulting in crystals. I would make the person's calcium more mobile or put in

more bioavailable calcium. The main calcium transport forms are aspartate and

orotate.

Duncan

>

> Anybody have any info on gout?

> thanks,

> sol

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan Crow wrote:

> Seems to me Sol that the calcium didn't bind to the uric acid for excretion,

resulting in crystals. I would make the person's calcium more mobile or put in

more bioavailable calcium. The main calcium transport forms are aspartate and

orotate.

>

>

So you are saying gout indicates lack of calcium or the wrong form

of calcium?

When should calcium be taken? I'm a bit leery of it, because when taking

it with meals it made my reflux WAY worse (calcium carbonate). I now

take HCL/Betaine, and am having really good results, and I'm unsure

how/when to add calcium.

I have some calcium lactate but not the others. I have a very

difficult time swallowing the huge tablets (a horse would have trouble

with them, LOL), and 3 of them only contain 255 mg calcium. I eat quite

a bit of cheese, and use half and half, so I guess I really thought my

calcium needs were taken care of.

thanks,

sol

[Guest guest]

Once you have uric acid crystals around the joints, is there a way to get

rid of them (without surgery?) We have a genetic problem in our family and

several members as young as 40 already have problems with that. I am

fighting it every step of the way, but it's not easy. My diet is very

healthy and I exercise a lot. My weight is normal. My problem are my

shoulders. The biggest mistake I make is not drink enough, but I am now

watching my fluid intake quite carefully, but there were times when I had

nothing but a few mugs of (organic) coffee and nothing else for the entire

day; and I admit that this was not the exception.

Anyhow, any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!

Sibylle

http://www.avianweb.com

From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ] On

Behalf Of Duncan Crow

Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 4:19 PM

candidiasis

Subject: Re: Gout

Seems to me Sol that the calcium didn't bind to the uric acid for excretion,

resulting in crystals. I would make the person's calcium more mobile or put

in more bioavailable calcium. The main calcium transport forms are aspartate

and orotate.

Duncan

>

> Anybody have any info on gout?

> thanks,

> sol

>

[Guest guest]

Sol, I was referring to the fact that uric acid requires calcium binding prior

to excretion as urine. I think if the binding fails the uric acid can be

deposited as crystals. I suggested calcium aspartate or orotate because it's the

most bioavailable; it' used at a lowr dose and doesn't need to be joined to a

transport molecule. It might not be a cure though.

Duncan

> > Seems to me Sol that the calcium didn't bind to the uric acid for excretion,

resulting in crystals. I would make the person's calcium more mobile or put in

more bioavailable calcium. The main calcium transport forms are aspartate and

orotate.

> >

> >

> So you are saying gout indicates lack of calcium or the wrong form

> of calcium?

> When should calcium be taken? I'm a bit leery of it, because when taking

> it with meals it made my reflux WAY worse (calcium carbonate). I now

> take HCL/Betaine, and am having really good results, and I'm unsure

> how/when to add calcium.

> I have some calcium lactate but not the others. I have a very

> difficult time swallowing the huge tablets (a horse would have trouble

> with them, LOL), and 3 of them only contain 255 mg calcium. I eat quite

> a bit of cheese, and use half and half, so I guess I really thought my

> calcium needs were taken care of.

> thanks,

> sol

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Darlene,

I can answer that question for you...Get rid of sugar! No one supplement is

going to help if he is eating foods that are not nutritious.

see these two articles on Bee's website:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/sugar4.php

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/sugar5.php

if you can get your husband to read them it might help convince him to join you

on this program.

jackie

>

> what ONE change would be the best to incorporate into his diet? Would it be

removing sugar or possibly adding a certain supplement? He is not willing to do

much, but at this point, since he is suffering with the gout, he may be willing

to do one thing.

[Guest guest]

I wouldn’t recommend MMS for

gout.

Some people get relief from taking celery

seed extract, or cherry juice from “tart” cherries.

One site recommends supplementing with

Boron, see:

http://members.upnaway.com/~poliowa/Away%20with%20Arthritis.html

I think that it is also caused by diet

and is an effect of an overly acidic body state. You could try

alkalizing, i.e. normalizing the body pH.

Dan

From Mercola:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/01/19/Five-Steps-to-Overcoming-Gout-Naturally.aspx

Here is a recap of the essential steps

to addressing gout:

1. Find out your nutritional

type. This

will tell you what foods your body needs to thrive, including whether you

should be eating more fats and protein, or less.

2. Avoid drinking soda, fruit

juice and other sweet beverages. Instead, drink plenty of pure water, as the fluids will

help to remove uric acid from your body. Cutting back on all forms of sugar and

grain in your diet is also important.

3. Limit the alcohol you drink

(or eliminate it altogether).

Alcohol may raise the levels of uric acid in your blood.

4. Exercise. Being overweight increases

your risk of gout, and regular exercise will help you to maintain a healthy

weight and improve your overall health.

5. Try tart cherries or

concentrated tart cherry juice. Tart cherries contain two powerful compounds,

anthocyanins and bioflavonoids. Both of these compounds slow down the enzymes

Cyclo-oxyygenase-1 and -2, which helps to relieve and prevent arthritis and gout

in your body.

Interestingly, we have had many

readers state that alfalfa tablets have provided a fair measure of relief and

improvement from gout as well. I have no experience with this but it would

certainly seem another avenue to explore since it is a natural product with

virtually no downside or side effects. Nutmeg has also shown promise for

relieving gout symptoms, so if you enjoy this spice feel free to add it

liberally to your diet.

So please remember that you

don’t need to take a dangerous drug to deal with this painful condition.

You CAN address the underlying cause of gout and excess uric acid formation via

all-natural means.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of hrojas1206

Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 9:32 AM

Subject: [ ] gout

hello friends:

What doses do you recommend for gout, excess uric acid

I will apreciate if some one can help me.

[Guest guest]

I am about 2 years and 3/4 into treatment and this was the first I knew of

gout!! The pain was terrible!! I sure don't want a repeat!!!

Thanks and Blessings,

Jo-Dee

" The way I live my life, helps my neighbor paint his picture of God "

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From: Shipley <paulorkay@...>

Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 7:52:20 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Gout

You do have gout when killing off the white cell about first 2 weeks after dx.

treated with hydrea 10 mg.Don't know where you are along treatment.

dx Dec 23 05 600 Gleevec

[Guest guest]

Jo-Dee, I recently had gout in my little finger and it felt like all of my

joints were hurting more than ever. My rheumatologist used the word, " strike "

when referring to the gout cropping up. When I was on Hydrea, I was also given

allopurinol, because Hydrea causes the uric acid levels to rise and also to

prevent gout attacks. I also remember when my husband had kidney stones, it was

given to him and the insurance company insurance refused to pay for it because

they said it was used for arthritis. His doctor had to write a letter

explaining that he was given the medicine for kidney stones. So we can use it

for several reasons. See below.

My monograth with the meds state that it is used to treat gout and certain types

of kidney stones. It is also used to prevent increased uric acid levels in

patients receiving cancer chemotherapy. I think this answers our question.

These patients can have increased uric acid levels due to release of uric acid

from the dying cancer cells. (Lets celebrate that). Allopurinol works by

reducing the amount of uric acid made by the body. I take one pill every

monring in a 300 mg. tablet. It is very cheap - $5.00 for a months's supply. I

find that by splitting the tablet (it is serrated) that one half does as much

for me as the whole one and has definitely helped with my joint pain. Maybe you

should see a rheumatologist. They run different tests than a regular CBC, so

you may find that you have underlying problems that have not manifested

themselves in a giant outburst.

That's Bobby's & my 2 cents. LOL

Carpe Diem,

Lottie Duthu