Beth

October 2, 2005

Yup, lots of work. The whole block of neighbors are so thrilled that we

got it because EVERYBODY was sick of looking at this dump in the middle

of a beautiful neighborhood. Of course, they're not running each other

over trying to get over and help. They've come over and traded beer for

some of the lumber, though. (hehe)

Re: Carol J

In a message dated 10/2/2005 9:06:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jmurray2@... writes:

Where have you been? I don't post very often, either. I try to read

all

of the posts but we have had our hands full since mid-August. I

haven't

even told our group what has been monopolizing my life. We purchased a

large piece of property at an auction for $3000 that adjoins our

backyard. The reason

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Wow , you've had your work cut out for you! I'm glad it's going to

be a

great thing for you and worth all the effort. :-)

Beth

October 30, 2005

Yup, I was told the same thing.....the manufacturer decides how it's

posted, which I do believe. I swear the big shots that work for these

companies lay awake at night trying to come up with new ways to fool the

consumer. Just like those new containers of ice cream, like Breyers

uses. You know, the ones that have the rounded corners and lids that

come off. A lot of people don't even realize that they're not even a

half-gallon of ice cream like the regular boxes are. They're 1.75

quarts. So if people are comparing prices of that kind of ice cream to

the regular boxes and they're the same price, they're really not. The

1.75 qts. size is more money because you're getting less ice cream.

Buyer beware!!

Re: bigger is cheaper

In a message dated 10/29/2005 5:09:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jmurray2@... writes:

I've even seen where the same item but different

brands is labeled by " cost per ounce " on one size and cost per quart on

the other brand. You would have to literally stand there and figure

out

the price/ounce and multiply it by the ounces in the container to be

able to figure out which is the better price.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Now, doesn't that make you absoultely crazy????? I get so irritated

when I

see that. I complained once and the response was that they put up

whatever

the mfgr. sent them. Duh.

Beth

October 31, 2005

, it's like the 'New Size' coffee can - Maxwell House, at BJ's. Three

pounds! That's what the coffee can was a few years ago before they changed

the size and amount in the can so that the price wasn't raised. Instead,

you were getting less coffee for the same cost. Guess they think we don't

remember.

Jeanine

October 31, 2005

.. Just like those new containers of ice cream, like Breyers

> uses. You know, the ones that have the rounded corners and lids that

> come off. A lot of people don't even realize that they're not even a

> half-gallon of ice cream like the regular boxes are. They're 1.75

> quarts. So if people are comparing prices of that kind of ice cream

to

> the regular boxes and they're the same price, they're really not. The

> 1.75 qts. size is more money because you're getting less ice cream.

> Buyer beware!!

>

oh wow really??? I didn't know that. not that i really buy ice cream.

my mother does that for my dad but geesh. but i think she usually gets

what ever is buy one get one free.

October 31, 2005

In a message dated 10/30/2005 11:46:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jmurray2@... writes:

They're 1.75

quarts. So if people are comparing prices of that kind of ice cream to

the regular boxes and they're the same price, they're really not. The

1.75 qts. size is more money because you're getting less ice cream.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I rarely buy ice cream, but didn't really even notice that! I usually check

the price comparison for it, though, the once or twice a year that I buy it,

so I guess they're not affecting me too much, but just thinking about it

irks me, LOL

Beth

October 31, 2005

Beth

I have to admit that I bought it a couple of times before I realized it.

I kept thinking " gee, this ice cream doesn't seem to last me as long in

these new containers or else my daughter is eating it when I'm not

around and don't know. " The other thing that I don't like about the

containers is that the ice cream never seems to be very hard. It seems

to stay a bit softer and maybe that's OK for some people, but for me I

like my ice cream hard. PLUS, when it's softer you tend to scoop out a

bigger bowl so maybe THAT'S why it doesn't seem to last as long. Then

we'll go out and buy more!!.

Boy, did we get onto a weird subject or what? I don't even remember how

this conversation started. (hehe)

Re: Beth

In a message dated 10/30/2005 11:46:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jmurray2@... writes:

They're 1.75

quarts. So if people are comparing prices of that kind of ice cream to

the regular boxes and they're the same price, they're really not. The

1.75 qts. size is more money because you're getting less ice cream.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I rarely buy ice cream, but didn't really even notice that! I usually

check

the price comparison for it, though, the once or twice a year that I buy

it,

so I guess they're not affecting me too much, but just thinking about it

irks me, LOL

Beth

November 9, 2005

sounds ike a GREAT idea! Call jen!

Sheri

At 02:36 PM 11/9/2005 -0500, you wrote:

>Beth,

>

>i live in GA (marietta). Who is this dr? Or which hospital are you going

>to conceive your child. If you decide to change drs i have a wonderful

>midwife (in hospital ) that birthed both my children. She has been

>practicing for 30 years!!!! The hospital is known in GA for natural births

>(i had mine in the water). My mother had the same problem with her dr years

>ago and changed the last minute. YOU WON " T BE DISAPPOINTED. I promise!

>Birthing is stressful alone. You don't need to be worrying about your dr or

>anything that hospital might do to your child!! CHANGE NOW!!!! To change

>drs is not that big of a deal!! I mean, they don't do much but catch the

>child. You DO ALL the work.

>

>if you would like to contact me off list of some hospitals and dr (or

>midwives) let me know.

>

>jen c

>jenjackcarver@...

>

November 23, 2005

Boy, I guess vanilla is a funny thing. Besides turning things brown it

doesn't mix well either. What I ended up doing was filling the 2 girl's

orders (they also ordered lotions) and I used my usual formula for the

perfume oil roll-ons. Since my sister-in-law was the one delivering the

orders to her work place, I typed up notices to the two girls attached

to their invoice. They order stuff from me all of the time (all in this

specific fragrance). I explained the problem I had with it and told them

that if they didn't want it that I would have no problem refunding their

money PLUS I gave it to them for half-price. That way I left it up to

them to decide. Who knows, they might not mind shaking it before each

use. There are a lot of products on the market that you have to do that

with.

Re: Meg

In a message dated 11/22/2005 1:46:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jmurray2@... writes:

The f/o I'm having a

problem with has 7% vanilla in it. Maybe scents with a lot of vanilla

are the ones that are going to be the problem f/o's.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

That's what I've heard is that it's the vanilla content. The vanilla

stabilizer is only helpful for preventing the vanilla to darken too

much. It's

made for m & p.

Beth

November 23, 2005

In a message dated 11/23/2005 3:30:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jmurray2@... writes:

Who knows, they might not mind shaking it before each

use. There are a lot of products on the market that you have to do that

with.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Yes, I just tell people to shake before using. Not a problem, although I'd

prefer if it stayed mixed, of course.

Beth

June 1, 2006

Hi Diane,

I had them send me the results. Our neighbor, my husband's internist, said they

were negative for yeast. It was supposed to help the quack who requested it

determine which antifungal to prescribe. I didn't see anything on there about

that. So it ended up being a waste like the appt.

Thanks,

Beth

Beth..

I used to be a registered nurse. If you paid for an analysis, the doctor has

to give you the results of the test in writing if you so desire. Anytime I

have blood work, etc. I ask for a copy of the results, as I trust no doctor

with my health..

Just my opinion.

Diane M

July 30, 2006

In a message dated 7/28/2006 8:40:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

DebbieD78@... writes:

Hi Beth-let me know what you decide on your logo.

I enjoyed getting my creative juices rolling again with my artwork-that

is how my business of the country artist began way back in 1980...then

the herbs took over my life and the things that can be done with them-

next thing ya know the first " ball " of soap was born then the

paintbrushes were used much less...funny how life evolves insn't it?

I think I actually may start trying to do logos again actively-it

fills a space in my life that makes me smile!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Deb,

I looooove my logo! I'm sure the others I showed it to at the gathering

were impressed, as well. Believe me, if I could do what you do, I'd be doing

logos! Go for it. I do need to try to get a simplified line drawing for

certain labels, do you have any suggestions?

Thank you so much, Deb. The check is in the mail. Really.

Beth

_www.soapandgarden.com_ (http://www.soapandgarden.com/)

www.saponifier.com

September 25, 2006

In a message dated 9/25/2006 6:55:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

shaye@... writes:

Beth, hows things going down there in the place your in? Did I tell you I

stopped in there one time? They did a nice job!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Things are picking up significantly with fall being here.

You stopped in? You were down here and didn't call? LOL, call me next

time. :-)

Thanks, I think it's very homey and comfortable.

Beth

_www.soapandgarden.com_ (http://www.soapandgarden.com/)

www.saponifier.com

September 25, 2006

In a message dated 9/25/2006 10:40:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

shaye@... writes:

I think it was the time my dd had an appt at Strong Hosp. I decided to

take the long way home and stop in.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ah, well I'm glad you did! Find anything you liked? :-)

Beth

_www.soapandgarden.com_ (http://www.soapandgarden.com/)

www.saponifier.com

September 25, 2006

lol I think it was the time my dd had an appt at Strong Hosp. I decided to

take the long way home and stop in. Just was spur of the moment and she was

willing to let me drag her around a little which is rare so I took

advantage.

Shaye

Re: Beth

In a message dated 9/25/2006 6:55:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

shayemysoapshack (DOT) <mailto:shaye%40mysoapshack.com> com writes:

Beth, hows things going down there in the place your in? Did I tell you I

stopped in there one time? They did a nice job!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Things are picking up significantly with fall being here.

You stopped in? You were down here and didn't call? LOL, call me next

time. :-)

Thanks, I think it's very homey and comfortable.

Beth

_www.soapandgarden.com_ (http://www.soapandg <http://www.soapandgarden.com/>

arden.com/)

www.saponifier.com

September 25, 2006

:

THANK YOU. I think sometimes we parents need to know from others that we are

not overreacting. My mom has been telling me exactly what you said for months

now. It still amazes us that they will not give us a firm diagnosis. The

clinic we use seem to be ultra conservative and I'm afraid Hannah will have

damage if we do not treat her properly. Both my mom and sister have the

deformities that can come with RA and it scares me for Hannah.

I will let you know after I speak with him hopefully tomorrow.

Beth (Hannah, almost 10, unspecified arthritis; asthma & GERD)

snooksmama@... wrote:

Beth:

Hannah, yes, is complicated, but I tend to agree with everything you have

said. It is NOT normal for a child to live in pain. I would be totally

against pain management at this point. You have not explored all avenues

yet, and you are just beginning the process of sorting her out. I think

that pain management would be very wrong at this point. I agree with you

wholeheartedly...if they insist on that avenue, I'd see another rheumy.

Your heart is telling you exactly what to do. We'll keep you and Hannah

in our prayers.

By the way, classic signs of JRA are the morning stiffness. I have RA,

and what you describe about Hannah describes me to a tee...from the

morning stiffness to the increasing pain in the evenings, when I tend to

sit more and get stiff and more painful. I haven't read anything about

evening pain and stiffness, the docs always go by the morning pain. But

having been positively diagnosed with RA, and talking to my son with AS,

and the scores of others I know, we all describe virtually the same thing

Hannah is going through.

Best wishes and keeping you in thought and prayer during this difficult

journey.

and Rob 17 Spondy

Hi everyone:

It has now been almost 2 weeks since Hannah saw the new rheumy. It has

been 3, almost 4 weeks since they increased her Mobic dose (currently

taking 3.7ml of 7.5mg). I am supposed to check back in with the new

doctor this week to let him know how Hannah's pain has been. I have not

seen any difference on the new dose of Mobic. She still has a lot of pian

in the mornings which will last anywhere from 20 minuts to more than an

hour; she gests better (not pain free) during the day; and then has

increased pain in the evening. Some times I see slight swelling, but most

times not.

Both the first rheumy and the new rheumy have suggested pain management

to me before. I am pretty confident this will come up again this week.

Hannah has only been tried on OTC Aleeve; Naproxen and now the 2 doses of

Mobic. I do not feel we have tried enough meds to warrant pain

management.

I feel pain management is almost like giving up. They will either suggest

narcotics or teach her how to live with the pain. Neither option in my

mind is acceptable for an almost 10 year old child. Am I wrong in this

thinking? Has anyone used pain management? I, myself, have gone to pain

management and this has been my experience for myself.

I want to be educated before I call the doctor. Any suggestions? Do they

normally try more meds besides 2 before recommending this? I am tired of

being told how complicated she is. They are ones that went to med school

and they should be doing more find the problem. I am really concerned

about this. If they are adamant about this, I don't think I will go back

to this doctor, but take Hannah to my mom's adult rheumy who has said he

would see her. He sees both my mom & sister who have RA.

Please let me know what you all think. I will most likely call either

Tuesday or Wednesday depending on how work goes tomorrow.

Thanks!!!

Beth Yohnk

Happy Thoughts..Be Well

September 26, 2006

I was actually thinking about pain management for my son and whether

or not it would help. Are there certain indications that this therapy

might help?

Andy (8) has a tendency to go-go-go and then have a complete breakdown

with temper and everything. He only does this at home because he knows

he can't get away with that behavior in public. He gets so out of it

that the only way he can deal with it is to leave him alone and let

him have it out. I know he's in pain, but the way he deals with it is

not good. As parents, we don't encourage this behavior and he does get

punished. He knows what he is doing is wrong, but he just doesn't know

how else to get out his frustration and pain.

I agree that Hannah is getting swept under the rug and that other drug

treatments should be tried. It's obvious there are many other drug

choices out there. And I don't get the feeling Beth is on board with

it. That right there should be a big reason not to do it.

But in my son's case, he's already been on naprosyn and top doses of

mtx for over a year. He's now on plaquenil too. He's also on

compazine, zantac and folic acid. I feel like he's a walking medicine

cabinet, and he has side effects to every medication he's tried.

I hope this never happens, but is there a point when you say after

you've tried so many drugs that don't help, maybe it's best just to

focus on managing the pain? Again, I'd like to say, I don't feel that

is the case at all with Hannah.

If anyone can explain what the purpose of pain management is and how

it is supposed to work, that would help so much.

Beth, I hope Hannah is feeling better soon and that you get this

craziness and pain under control with good meds.

Thanks,

On 9/25/06, snooksmama@... <snooksmama@...> wrote:

>

> Beth:

>

> Hannah, yes, is complicated, but I tend to agree with everything you have

> said. It is NOT normal for a child to live in pain. I would be totally

> against pain management at this point. You have not explored all avenues

> yet, and you are just beginning the process of sorting her out. I think

> that pain management would be very wrong at this point. I agree with you

> wholeheartedly...if they insist on that avenue, I'd see another rheumy.

> Your heart is telling you exactly what to do. We'll keep you and Hannah

> in our prayers.

> By the way, classic signs of JRA are the morning stiffness. I have RA,

> and what you describe about Hannah describes me to a tee...from the

> morning stiffness to the increasing pain in the evenings, when I tend to

> sit more and get stiff and more painful. I haven't read anything about

> evening pain and stiffness, the docs always go by the morning pain. But

> having been positively diagnosed with RA, and talking to my son with AS,

> and the scores of others I know, we all describe virtually the same thing

> Hannah is going through.

> Best wishes and keeping you in thought and prayer during this difficult

> journey.

> and Rob 17 Spondy

>

> Hi everyone:

>

> It has now been almost 2 weeks since Hannah saw the new rheumy. It has

> been 3, almost 4 weeks since they increased her Mobic dose (currently

> taking 3.7ml of 7.5mg). I am supposed to check back in with the new

> doctor this week to let him know how Hannah's pain has been. I have not

> seen any difference on the new dose of Mobic. She still has a lot of pian

> in the mornings which will last anywhere from 20 minuts to more than an

> hour; she gests better (not pain free) during the day; and then has

> increased pain in the evening. Some times I see slight swelling, but most

> times not.

>

> Both the first rheumy and the new rheumy have suggested pain management

> to me before. I am pretty confident this will come up again this week.

> Hannah has only been tried on OTC Aleeve; Naproxen and now the 2 doses of

> Mobic. I do not feel we have tried enough meds to warrant pain

> management.

>

> I feel pain management is almost like giving up. They will either suggest

> narcotics or teach her how to live with the pain. Neither option in my

> mind is acceptable for an almost 10 year old child. Am I wrong in this

> thinking? Has anyone used pain management? I, myself, have gone to pain

> management and this has been my experience for myself.

>

> I want to be educated before I call the doctor. Any suggestions? Do they

> normally try more meds besides 2 before recommending this? I am tired of

> being told how complicated she is. They are ones that went to med school

> and they should be doing more find the problem. I am really concerned

> about this. If they are adamant about this, I don't think I will go back

> to this doctor, but take Hannah to my mom's adult rheumy who has said he

> would see her. He sees both my mom & sister who have RA.

>

> Please let me know what you all think. I will most likely call either

> Tuesday or Wednesday depending on how work goes tomorrow.

>

> Thanks!!!

>

> Beth Yohnk

> Happy Thoughts..Be Well

>

September 27, 2006

I did not hear back yet, but I don't think he was there yesterday. She is about

the same, but had something weird (and scary) happen last night. She was

on-line with 's daughter for about 20 minutes. She had been complaining

all day that her knees hurt (not unusual for her). When she got up from the

chair, she took maybe 1/2 step and fell to her knees. Scared the beejebers out

of me! She just said they hurt too much to support her. She did get up and it

was time for bed, so I gave her some Tylenol and put her to bed. This morning

she was as she usually is, no additional pain, but still stiff and sore.

We see the immunologist today and I will be asking lots of questions to her

escpecially her opinion on meds.

Thanks for asking and good luck to your hubby on the GI issue. By the way,

Hannah may be going through the same thing soon. I was told yesterday by a

patient that United Healthcare is discontinuing coverage for Nexium which is the

only that worked for Hannah. GRRRR

Beth

snooksmama@... wrote:

Beth:

Thanks so much for your 2 cents! Its always good to hear others' input.

We did go that route. His doctor even went to far to mention that GERD,

uncontrolled for years, can set you up for esophageal cancer. After they

got that letter, they did allow 2 periods of a 90 day supply of the

Prevacid.

Initially, I did go through the United Healthcare appeals process, but

the upshot was that 's company is self-insured, and United is just

the administrator. So then we were referred to the HR person, and that

was when we sent him the letter.

I did try our state attorney general's office, but since they are

self-insured, the rules also did not apply. It was so frustrating!

So, we are getting ready to move on to the GI specialist, and cost them

more money. It is insane!!

How is Hannah doing today? Did you hear back from the doctor yet?

and Rob 17 Spondy

:

Has your husband asked his doctor to write a letter to the insurance

company stating that he has failed other meds? We do this often for our

patients and most times they get approved. They can write a letter and

send it to your insurance company's claims department. Just my 2 cents!

Beth (Hannah, almost 10; unspecified arthritis; asthma; GERD)

September 27, 2006

Beth,

Aundrea didn't mention that she was able to connect with Hannah last

night. That was good. So sorry to hear about her knee giving out.

Aundrea has had the same thing happen. Its so weird. It usually

happens when she is stands up and prepares to take a step or else

when she trys to climb the stairs. There has never been a warning

that it will happen and she says its like her knee just completely

gives out. Its happened probably 5 times in the last 4 months.

After awhile she is able to get going again. So I really don't know

what causes it.

Good luck with the appt. today!

(Drea 11 systemic jra/GERD)

> Beth:

> Thanks so much for your 2 cents! Its always good to hear others'

input.

> We did go that route. His doctor even went to far to mention that

GERD,

> uncontrolled for years, can set you up for esophageal cancer.

After they

> got that letter, they did allow 2 periods of a 90 day supply of the

> Prevacid.

> Initially, I did go through the United Healthcare appeals process,

but

> the upshot was that 's company is self-insured, and United is

just

> the administrator. So then we were referred to the HR person, and

that

> was when we sent him the letter.

> I did try our state attorney general's office, but since they are

> self-insured, the rules also did not apply. It was so frustrating!

> So, we are getting ready to move on to the GI specialist, and cost

them

> more money. It is insane!!

> How is Hannah doing today? Did you hear back from the doctor yet?

> and Rob 17 Spondy

>

> :

>

> Has your husband asked his doctor to write a letter to the

insurance

> company stating that he has failed other meds? We do this often

for our

> patients and most times they get approved. They can write a letter

and

> send it to your insurance company's claims department. Just my 2

cents!

>

> Beth (Hannah, almost 10; unspecified arthritis; asthma; GERD)

>

September 27, 2006

Beth,

How is Drea? Ummm It should have been How is ? You got me mixed

up with . lolololol. Ok You can do that. is doing good so far.

She is sleeping mostly when she get's home most of the time. I see alittle

change in her as she is snapping at me more. She is worrying about Hannah and

Aundrea as well as ne. As she has been where they are now.

Go to a Doctor you can trust. Sweetie....Our Family Dr said if

would come to him He could help her. think's older Dr's do not know

much. But this Dr is GREAT. He does give Shot's. If we have a Infection he has

us come back everyday for a week and gives the old Penicillin shot's. I

really like him. But is set in her way's.

Well I better hit the bed have to pick up at 7am. Then take my

Daughter in law to the Doctor then back here to clean house

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Hubby and Step Dad have a Dr's appointment. ummmmm Oh in

between I really

need to mow the grass and edge the yard. Ummmm Oh and cook Supper some time.

lolol

Robbin

September 27, 2006

The knee thing was really strange. She said it was similar to what happened in

spring, when she ended up in the cast, which is why it scared me!

If you have not seen my update (the things that make go hmmm), please read it.

I think you will find it interesting! Personally I'm more frustrated. I'm

calling my mom's rheumy tomorrow to set up a consult. Mom says they are about a

month out for new patiens. Heck its been almost 8 months, what's one more?

right?

Beth

PS...How is Drea today?

sonia1md <sonia1md@...> wrote: