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[Guest guest]

Hi Viv,

Glad you had a good appt., that did well, and that you're calmer.

Consider getting a DDI hair elements test and applying counting rules before

making a decision about chelation. You can order one yourself (without a doc)

through Direct Lab Services. They're running a discount this month and give a(n

additional?) discount if you mention this list. When a doc laughs when someone

asks about/mentions thimerosal it usually means they're thinking (Oh, it's

another one of those parents trying to educate themselves on the internet!)

S S

Well today and I had the appointment with the Dev.

Pediatrican.

did really great! And I am so happy, the doctor said that he is

NOT autistic. I want to say thanks to all of you who were so kind. I

did appreciate all the e-mails and answers I got. I am so happy

tonight!! Not so upset like before. I know that and I need to do

a lot of work to get him talking properly. The doctor arranged for us

to have a course. It is called It takes two to talk. Does anyone know

about this?

I asked about mercury and vaccines. Can you believe that the doctor

actually laughed? Then he showed me some stuff that said that there

was no mercury in the shots in Canada since way before was born.

I'm not sure about that. Can someone tell me if that is true? I am not

sure if I should still do chelation. Some one sent me to Generation

rescue. They said that speech delays are all mercury poisoning too

just like autism. So maybe I should still consider this. But not right

now. Because I as soooo relieved. Does anyone know if there is a group

for kids with speech delay and doing chelation?

Viv

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I wouldn't listen to a word he said about those shots. The ones in

Canada are made by the same companies as the US shots. And they ALL

have mercury in them, old ones and new ones. The diff is the new one

have Aluminum in them to go with the mercury. And they do cause

speech delays. I would still pursue the metals avenue...since they

did not provide you with ANY reason why your son has this delay. Did

they say it was cause by something? No, cause they don't know.

Taking a course or therapy is fine and useful. But come on...tons of

kids learn to speak without hardly any parenting..are they trying to

say that you need to learn how to teach your son to talk? That's

absurd!

It's good that he is not autistic. Wonderful news in fact. Please

keep in mind that the full effects of vaccine damage do not all show

up at once...my one child spoke just fine, developed perfectly as a

little person, we didnt' see the effects of her vaccine metals until

she was in elementary school!

The group for kids with speech delay and chelation would be us,

since many autistic kids do not speak or hardly speak, or eventually

speak...etc. I would hair test him...before I accepted that he was

not metal toxic. Has he ever had a blood lead?

I don't mean to be so harsh....I just hate when doctors write people

off like that, and try to blame the parents or whatever else....for

what's going on with a child.

>

> Well today and I had the appointment with the Dev.

Pediatrican.

> did really great! And I am so happy, the doctor said that he

is

> NOT autistic. I want to say thanks to all of you who were so kind.

I

> did appreciate all the e-mails and answers I got. I am so happy

> tonight!! Not so upset like before. I know that and I need

to do

> a lot of work to get him talking properly. The doctor arranged for

us

> to have a course. It is called It takes two to talk. Does anyone

know

> about this?

>

> I asked about mercury and vaccines. Can you believe that the doctor

> actually laughed? Then he showed me some stuff that said that there

> was no mercury in the shots in Canada since way before was

born.

> I'm not sure about that. Can someone tell me if that is true? I am

not

> sure if I should still do chelation. Some one sent me to Generation

> rescue. They said that speech delays are all mercury poisoning too

> just like autism. So maybe I should still consider this. But not

right

> now. Because I as soooo relieved. Does anyone know if there is a

group

> for kids with speech delay and doing chelation?

> Viv

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Viv, my reply below...

> I asked about mercury and vaccines. Can you believe that the doctor

> actually laughed? Then he showed me some stuff that said that there

> was no mercury in the shots in Canada since way before was born.

> I'm not sure about that. Can someone tell me if that is true?

*Officially*, there has not been any mercury in routine childhood

vaccinations since 1994. However, when I asked the same questions as

you a few years ago (I'm also Canadian) I received a number of private

emails from Canadian parents telling me that vaccines here have been

independently tested and the Hg content varied widely, from negligible

to every bit as concentrated as American vaccines. When I asked Dr.

Boyd Haley about the " thimerosal free " status of Canadian vaccines this

winter he laughed pityingly at me, since he has personally done some of

these independent tests. I didn't mind being a devil's advocate for

Health Canada, since a pediatrician from my son's office was within

earshot and got to hear this for himself! Apparently North American

vaccines are made in large batches, and then the Hg is " chelated out "

of the ones sent to Canada - so you can see how this process may lend

itself to errors. Also, keep in mind that there are still a number of

exceptions to the official " Thimerosal Free " status of Canadian

vaccines, including flu shots. Here's a good website to learn more

about vaccine risks in Canada: http://www.vran.org/index.htm

FWIW *both* of my children test postitive for mercury toxicity, and

they were born in 2000 and 2002.

I am not

> sure if I should still do chelation.

We have had a lot of gains with chelation, and I would caution you not

to rule it out prematurely. I would also recommend getting a DDI hair

elements test and then asking for some help here to intrepret it for

heavy metal toxicity to help you decide what to do. You can also find

the correct information by purchasing this book:

http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

Some one sent me to Generation

> rescue. They said that speech delays are all mercury poisoning too

> just like autism.

That's an oversimplification in my opinion. Mercury is not the only

ingredient in vaccines that can cause neurological harm, nor is it the

only environmental factor. Just a big one.

>So maybe I should still consider this.

I would go out of my way to make sure it is not an issue, since not

dealing with heavy metal toxicity can cause serious harm down the road.

Best wishes with your decision

Rene

[Guest guest]

julieobradovic@... wrote:

This is a great list to help guide you towards helping him. Be thankful he's not

as bad off as some of the kids, and thankful you are in a great spot for

guidance if you need it.

Nahla wrote: Amen. although my son is clearly not autistic, (in advanced

math and reading) I found this site and others to be a catalyst in figuring out

his health issues are Hg. I have gained a wealth of info and am humbled by the

vast knowledge and experience of these parents have. I am staying put, for a

while anyways...thank you.

~Nahla

-------------- Original message --------------

From: " viv_june_61 " <Viv_June_61@...>

Well today and I had the appointment with the Dev. Pediatrican.

did really great! And I am so happy, the doctor said that he is

NOT autistic. I want to say thanks to all of you who were so kind. I

did appreciate all the e-mails and answers I got. I am so happy

tonight!! Not so upset like before. I know that and I need to do

a lot of work to get him talking properly. The doctor arranged for us

to have a course. It is called It takes two to talk. Does anyone know

about this?

I asked about mercury and vaccines. Can you believe that the doctor

actually laughed? Then he showed me some stuff that said that there

was no mercury in the shots in Canada since way before was born.

I'm not sure about that. Can someone tell me if that is true? I am not

sure if I should still do chelation. Some one sent me to Generation

rescue. They said that speech delays are all mercury poisoning too

just like autism. So maybe I should still consider this. But not right

now. Because I as soooo relieved. Does anyone know if there is a group

for kids with speech delay and doing chelation?

Viv

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: Nahla Abbo

Nahla wrote: Amen. although my son is clearly not autistic, (in advanced math

and reading)

<<<This is nice but many ASD kids are advanced in math and reading. ASD does

not equal retardation or low IQ despite what you read. Autism is a social

disorder not an intellectual disorder and some of the most talented people in

math and reading are impacted socially. The issue is metal toxicity, not

intellect.>>>>>

I found this site and others to be a catalyst in figuring out his health

issues are Hg. I have gained a wealth of info and am humbled by the vast

knowledge and experience of these parents have. I am staying put, for a while

anyways...thank you.

~Nahla

-------------- Original message --------------

From: " viv_june_61 " <Viv_June_61@...>

Well today and I had the appointment with the Dev. Pediatrican.

did really great! And I am so happy, the doctor said that he is

NOT autistic. I want to say thanks to all of you who were so kind. I

did appreciate all the e-mails and answers I got. I am so happy

tonight!! Not so upset like before. I know that and I need to do

a lot of work to get him talking properly. The doctor arranged for us

to have a course. It is called It takes two to talk. Does anyone know

about this?

I asked about mercury and vaccines. Can you believe that the doctor

actually laughed? Then he showed me some stuff that said that there

was no mercury in the shots in Canada since way before was born.

I'm not sure about that. Can someone tell me if that is true? I am not

sure if I should still do chelation. Some one sent me to Generation

rescue. They said that speech delays are all mercury poisoning too

just like autism. So maybe I should still consider this. But not right

now. Because I as soooo relieved. Does anyone know if there is a group

for kids with speech delay and doing chelation?

Viv

[Guest guest]

Viv,

I'm going to tell you my story... not to burst your bubble but

instead to hope you don't forget...

My son never really started talking aside from a few words at 11

months and then one word here/there (losing it after a few weeks

never to speak it again until age 3.5) with lots of babble. At 18

months his eye contact changed and he acted like a deaf child. His

hearing checked out fine.

I put him on the GFCF diet and fish oil after reading a story about a

local ASD boy and his biomedical journey (this was 2002). We started

OT and speech.

At 25 months I had him evaluated by 2 doctors through our 0-3

program: a developmental pediatrician and a psychologist. Both said

NO Autism. I was so relieved and my husband pushed to stop the GFCF

diet. We did, but I kept the fish oil and a few other supplements.

Over that next year my son's language didn't improve and he developed

other issues like anxiety. When he was just turning 3 we had a

speech eval at Children's Hospital (Seattle). The awesome SLP urged

us to get a full ASD eval. Guess what? Autism. And they were right.

I don't know how old your son is, but I think it is very difficult to

diagnose these less severe kids at an early age like 2-2.5 years.

The developmental expectations are lower and it is easier to just

overlook deficits and think 'they'll just catch up'. They can also

have a good day in the eval (my son did!) which doesn't give a

realistic picture of the child.

Do not rule out chelation. One of my son's biggest gains from

chelation has been language. You can even use oral ALA instead of

locating a prescribing MD for DMSA, DMPS etc. There are ways to

chelate without being super, super aggressive.

I hope your child doesn't follow the same path mine did, but please

continue to look in to toxicity, diet and general health.

At this point, I think my son can recover. He is now 6 and in

kindergarten. I have been chelating for about 18 months; but the

first year was probably wasted on TD-DMSA. I only wish I had been

more aggressive when he was 'just' speech delayed!

Take care,

Pam

p.s. I am in the US. I don't know about Canadian vaccinations.

However, things like lead can affect speech development. My son has

been dumping some lead since starting oral DMSA and language is

exploding! Higher level language, too.

>

> Well today and I had the appointment with the Dev.

Pediatrican.

> did really great! And I am so happy, the doctor said that he

is

> NOT autistic. I want to say thanks to all of you who were so kind. I

> did appreciate all the e-mails and answers I got. I am so happy

> tonight!! Not so upset like before. I know that and I need to

do

> a lot of work to get him talking properly. The doctor arranged for

us

> to have a course. It is called It takes two to talk. Does anyone

know

> about this?

>

> I asked about mercury and vaccines. Can you believe that the doctor

> actually laughed? Then he showed me some stuff that said that there

> was no mercury in the shots in Canada since way before was

born.

> I'm not sure about that. Can someone tell me if that is true? I am

not

> sure if I should still do chelation. Some one sent me to Generation

> rescue. They said that speech delays are all mercury poisoning too

> just like autism. So maybe I should still consider this. But not

right

> now. Because I as soooo relieved. Does anyone know if there is a

group

> for kids with speech delay and doing chelation?

> Viv

>

[Guest guest]

Viv,

The group you are looking for is " " . Only for speech

issues.

I think it is important for me to burst your bubble too. My son, now 6 with

ASD was not given a diagnosis of ASD until he was almost 5. Many, many

mainstram pediatricians and nuerologists are incompetent. They have the

attitude that ASD is not treatable or curable. Therefore, even if they suspect

it, they just tell you get speech therapy because there is nothing else you can

do. That is a bunch of BULL!

Treated early, the disease will not take its toll.

Rather than take a doctor word for it who " laughs " at mercury in vaccine,

suggest you do testing. There are many biomarkers used by the DAN foundation.

Don;t let what happened to me happen to you. I waited too long to start

treating and my son is paying the price.

noaholiviaian <phaselow@...> wrote:

Viv,

I'm going to tell you my story... not to burst your bubble but

instead to hope you don't forget...

My son never really started talking aside from a few words at 11

months and then one word here/there (losing it after a few weeks

never to speak it again until age 3.5) with lots of babble. At 18

months his eye contact changed and he acted like a deaf child. His

hearing checked out fine.

I put him on the GFCF diet and fish oil after reading a story about a

local ASD boy and his biomedical journey (this was 2002). We started

OT and speech.

At 25 months I had him evaluated by 2 doctors through our 0-3

program: a developmental pediatrician and a psychologist. Both said

NO Autism. I was so relieved and my husband pushed to stop the GFCF

diet. We did, but I kept the fish oil and a few other supplements.

Over that next year my son's language didn't improve and he developed

other issues like anxiety. When he was just turning 3 we had a

speech eval at Children's Hospital (Seattle). The awesome SLP urged

us to get a full ASD eval. Guess what? Autism. And they were right.

I don't know how old your son is, but I think it is very difficult to

diagnose these less severe kids at an early age like 2-2.5 years.

The developmental expectations are lower and it is easier to just

overlook deficits and think 'they'll just catch up'. They can also

have a good day in the eval (my son did!) which doesn't give a

realistic picture of the child.

Do not rule out chelation. One of my son's biggest gains from

chelation has been language. You can even use oral ALA instead of

locating a prescribing MD for DMSA, DMPS etc. There are ways to

chelate without being super, super aggressive.

I hope your child doesn't follow the same path mine did, but please

continue to look in to toxicity, diet and general health.

At this point, I think my son can recover. He is now 6 and in

kindergarten. I have been chelating for about 18 months; but the

first year was probably wasted on TD-DMSA. I only wish I had been

more aggressive when he was 'just' speech delayed!

Take care,

Pam

p.s. I am in the US. I don't know about Canadian vaccinations.

However, things like lead can affect speech development. My son has

been dumping some lead since starting oral DMSA and language is

exploding! Higher level language, too.

>

> Well today and I had the appointment with the Dev.

Pediatrican.

> did really great! And I am so happy, the doctor said that he

is

> NOT autistic. I want to say thanks to all of you who were so kind. I

> did appreciate all the e-mails and answers I got. I am so happy

> tonight!! Not so upset like before. I know that and I need to

do

> a lot of work to get him talking properly. The doctor arranged for

us

> to have a course. It is called It takes two to talk. Does anyone

know

> about this?

>

> I asked about mercury and vaccines. Can you believe that the doctor

> actually laughed? Then he showed me some stuff that said that there

> was no mercury in the shots in Canada since way before was

born.

> I'm not sure about that. Can someone tell me if that is true? I am

not

> sure if I should still do chelation. Some one sent me to Generation

> rescue. They said that speech delays are all mercury poisoning too

> just like autism. So maybe I should still consider this. But not

right

> now. Because I as soooo relieved. Does anyone know if there is a

group

> for kids with speech delay and doing chelation?

> Viv

>

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Barb

Re: [ ] Re: good news

Viv,

The group you are looking for is " " . Only for speech

issues.

I think it is important for me to burst your bubble too. My son, now 6 with

ASD was not given a diagnosis of ASD until he was almost 5. Many, many mainstram

pediatricians and nuerologists are incompetent. They have the attitude that ASD

is not treatable or curable. Therefore, even if they suspect it, they just tell

you get speech therapy because there is nothing else you can do. That is a bunch

of BULL!

Treated early, the disease will not take its toll.

Rather than take a doctor word for it who " laughs " at mercury in vaccine,

suggest you do testing. There are many biomarkers used by the DAN foundation.

Don;t let what happened to me happen to you. I waited too long to start

treating and my son is paying the price.

noaholiviaian <phaselow@...> wrote:

Viv,

I'm going to tell you my story... not to burst your bubble but

instead to hope you don't forget...

My son never really started talking aside from a few words at 11

months and then one word here/there (losing it after a few weeks

never to speak it again until age 3.5) with lots of babble. At 18

months his eye contact changed and he acted like a deaf child. His

hearing checked out fine.

I put him on the GFCF diet and fish oil after reading a story about a

local ASD boy and his biomedical journey (this was 2002). We started

OT and speech.

At 25 months I had him evaluated by 2 doctors through our 0-3

program: a developmental pediatrician and a psychologist. Both said

NO Autism. I was so relieved and my husband pushed to stop the GFCF

diet. We did, but I kept the fish oil and a few other supplements.

Over that next year my son's language didn't improve and he developed

other issues like anxiety. When he was just turning 3 we had a

speech eval at Children's Hospital (Seattle). The awesome SLP urged

us to get a full ASD eval. Guess what? Autism. And they were right.

I don't know how old your son is, but I think it is very difficult to

diagnose these less severe kids at an early age like 2-2.5 years.

The developmental expectations are lower and it is easier to just

overlook deficits and think 'they'll just catch up'. They can also

have a good day in the eval (my son did!) which doesn't give a

realistic picture of the child.

Do not rule out chelation. One of my son's biggest gains from

chelation has been language. You can even use oral ALA instead of

locating a prescribing MD for DMSA, DMPS etc. There are ways to

chelate without being super, super aggressive.

I hope your child doesn't follow the same path mine did, but please

continue to look in to toxicity, diet and general health.

At this point, I think my son can recover. He is now 6 and in

kindergarten. I have been chelating for about 18 months; but the

first year was probably wasted on TD-DMSA. I only wish I had been

more aggressive when he was 'just' speech delayed!

Take care,

Pam

p.s. I am in the US. I don't know about Canadian vaccinations.

However, things like lead can affect speech development. My son has

been dumping some lead since starting oral DMSA and language is

exploding! Higher level language, too.

>

> Well today and I had the appointment with the Dev.

Pediatrican.

> did really great! And I am so happy, the doctor said that he

is

> NOT autistic. I want to say thanks to all of you who were so kind. I

> did appreciate all the e-mails and answers I got. I am so happy

> tonight!! Not so upset like before. I know that and I need to

do

> a lot of work to get him talking properly. The doctor arranged for

us

> to have a course. It is called It takes two to talk. Does anyone

know

> about this?

>

> I asked about mercury and vaccines. Can you believe that the doctor

> actually laughed? Then he showed me some stuff that said that there

> was no mercury in the shots in Canada since way before was

born.

> I'm not sure about that. Can someone tell me if that is true? I am

not

> sure if I should still do chelation. Some one sent me to Generation

> rescue. They said that speech delays are all mercury poisoning too

> just like autism. So maybe I should still consider this. But not

right

> now. Because I as soooo relieved. Does anyone know if there is a

group

> for kids with speech delay and doing chelation?

> Viv

>

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Viv:

My son had a developmental evaluation at age 2.5 and they along with the

neurologists that continue to see him today (age 4.5) have all said that

my son is not autistic, too social, too connected, too much joint

attention, etc, etc, and instead, they believe he has a neurologically

based language disorder and that some of his behaviors (over-activity,

attention span, tantrums were secondary or the result of the language

delays). Now, at first I thought that speech delay meant well, he would

catch-up, no need to worry. I quickly realized that this is all a very

hazy analysis and that there is clearly a subset of children who either

experienced neurological damage at some point or continue to experience

it and it can be caused from a variety of insults or genetic

predispositions or both and that it affects the language centers of the

brain but spares some kids from more overt or classical autistic

symptoms. I am not trying to burst your bubble at all, I am actually

trying to save you some time and energy. My son still benefits and

needs interventions as well, mostly therapeutic (he has a verbal

behavior program) but I continue to try some medical interventions

because I truly believe that very rarely is there such a thing as

" speech delay " and that a child just catches up and grows out of it,

almost always there are subtle neurological signs that indicate a

dysfunction and it can be a mistake (not saying you are or will make it

- I almost did) not to take the issues at hand very seriously just

because there is no autism diagnosis. I wish you the best.

[ ] good news

Well today and I had the appointment with the Dev. Pediatrican.

did really great! And I am so happy, the doctor said that he is

NOT autistic. I want to say thanks to all of you who were so kind. I

did appreciate all the e-mails and answers I got. I am so happy

tonight!! Not so upset like before. I know that and I need to do

a lot of work to get him talking properly. The doctor arranged for us

to have a course. It is called It takes two to talk. Does anyone know

about this?

I asked about mercury and vaccines. Can you believe that the doctor

actually laughed? Then he showed me some stuff that said that there

was no mercury in the shots in Canada since way before was born.

I'm not sure about that. Can someone tell me if that is true? I am not

sure if I should still do chelation. Some one sent me to Generation

rescue. They said that speech delays are all mercury poisoning too

just like autism. So maybe I should still consider this. But not right

now. Because I as soooo relieved. Does anyone know if there is a group

for kids with speech delay and doing chelation?

Viv

[Guest guest]

I second Childrensapraxianet's group. When I first joined in 2002

they were doing no biomedical aside from fish oil. I believe a few

chelating parents hopped on board and redirected the group focus a

bit.

Pam

> >

> > Well today and I had the appointment with the Dev.

> Pediatrican.

> > did really great! And I am so happy, the doctor said that

he

> is

> > NOT autistic. I want to say thanks to all of you who were so

kind. I

> > did appreciate all the e-mails and answers I got. I am so happy

> > tonight!! Not so upset like before. I know that and I need

to

> do

> > a lot of work to get him talking properly. The doctor arranged

for

> us

> > to have a course. It is called It takes two to talk. Does anyone

> know

> > about this?

> >

> > I asked about mercury and vaccines. Can you believe that the

doctor

> > actually laughed? Then he showed me some stuff that said that

there

> > was no mercury in the shots in Canada since way before was

> born.

> > I'm not sure about that. Can someone tell me if that is true? I

am

> not

> > sure if I should still do chelation. Some one sent me to

Generation

> > rescue. They said that speech delays are all mercury poisoning too

> > just like autism. So maybe I should still consider this. But not

> right

> > now. Because I as soooo relieved. Does anyone know if there is a

> group

> > for kids with speech delay and doing chelation?

> > Viv

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Pam and some others,

You are so kind to write back, all of you. My son is just 3

years old. He is a good kid and he is very healthy. I think that his

only problem is that he doesn't talk as much as he should. The

specialist said that too.

My problem is that I thought that this was simple. I read on

Generation Rescue that all autism, speech delay, ADHD is really

mercury poisoning. So it seemed very easy to fix this problem. So I

know that you are all trying to help. But I really don't understand.

Why do people talk about diets? or fish oil? or lead poisoning?

Kirby said that autism is a kind of mercury poisoning from vaccines,

right? So I don't understand. If the doctor is right there is no

mercury in vaccines in Canada. Can someone can tell me where to find

out that this is not true? Then I can go to see the doctor again. But

if there is no mercury in the shots in Canada, then what? That means

that my son cannot be poisoned by mercury? Because we live in a

clean city with no pollution. I have no fillings. did not get

the Hepb shot. Like some people said that has mercury. Not flu shot

either.

I guess I am just confused. I want to do the right thing.

Viv.

>

> Viv,

>

> I'm going to tell you my story... not to burst your bubble but

> instead to hope you don't forget...

>

> My son never really started talking aside from a few words at 11

> months and then one word here/there (losing it after a few weeks

> never to speak it again until age 3.5) with lots of babble. At 18

> months his eye contact changed and he acted like a deaf child. His

> hearing checked out fine.

>

> I put him on the GFCF diet and fish oil after reading a story about a

> local ASD boy and his biomedical journey (this was 2002). We started

> OT and speech.

>

> At 25 months I had him evaluated by 2 doctors through our 0-3

> program: a developmental pediatrician and a psychologist. Both said

> NO Autism. I was so relieved and my husband pushed to stop the GFCF

> diet. We did, but I kept the fish oil and a few other supplements.

>

> Over that next year my son's language didn't improve and he developed

> other issues like anxiety. When he was just turning 3 we had a

> speech eval at Children's Hospital (Seattle). The awesome SLP urged

> us to get a full ASD eval. Guess what? Autism. And they were right.

>

> I don't know how old your son is, but I think it is very difficult to

> diagnose these less severe kids at an early age like 2-2.5 years.

> The developmental expectations are lower and it is easier to just

> overlook deficits and think 'they'll just catch up'. They can also

> have a good day in the eval (my son did!) which doesn't give a

> realistic picture of the child.

>

> Do not rule out chelation. One of my son's biggest gains from

> chelation has been language. You can even use oral ALA instead of

> locating a prescribing MD for DMSA, DMPS etc. There are ways to

> chelate without being super, super aggressive.

>

> I hope your child doesn't follow the same path mine did, but please

> continue to look in to toxicity, diet and general health.

>

> At this point, I think my son can recover. He is now 6 and in

> kindergarten. I have been chelating for about 18 months; but the

> first year was probably wasted on TD-DMSA. I only wish I had been

> more aggressive when he was 'just' speech delayed!

>

> Take care,

>

> Pam

>

> p.s. I am in the US. I don't know about Canadian vaccinations.

> However, things like lead can affect speech development. My son has

> been dumping some lead since starting oral DMSA and language is

> exploding! Higher level language, too.

>

>

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Canada has removed thimersol from some of the vaccines, however; they did not

remove them immediately, as they have long shelf lives. And, you must not

forget, that the vaccines have aluminium in them which is just as toxic as

mercury.

viv_june_61 <Viv_June_61@...> wrote: Pam and some others,

You are so kind to write back, all of you. My son is just 3

years old. He is a good kid and he is very healthy. I think that his

only problem is that he doesn't talk as much as he should. The

specialist said that too.

My problem is that I thought that this was simple. I read on

Generation Rescue that all autism, speech delay, ADHD is really

mercury poisoning. So it seemed very easy to fix this problem. So I

know that you are all trying to help. But I really don't understand.

Why do people talk about diets? or fish oil? or lead poisoning?

Kirby said that autism is a kind of mercury poisoning from vaccines,

right? So I don't understand. If the doctor is right there is no

mercury in vaccines in Canada. Can someone can tell me where to find

out that this is not true? Then I can go to see the doctor again. But

if there is no mercury in the shots in Canada, then what? That means

that my son cannot be poisoned by mercury? Because we live in a

clean city with no pollution. I have no fillings. did not get

the Hepb shot. Like some people said that has mercury. Not flu shot

either.

I guess I am just confused. I want to do the right thing.

Viv.

>

> Viv,

>

> I'm going to tell you my story... not to burst your bubble but

> instead to hope you don't forget...

>

> My son never really started talking aside from a few words at 11

> months and then one word here/there (losing it after a few weeks

> never to speak it again until age 3.5) with lots of babble. At 18

> months his eye contact changed and he acted like a deaf child. His

> hearing checked out fine.

>

> I put him on the GFCF diet and fish oil after reading a story about a

> local ASD boy and his biomedical journey (this was 2002). We started

> OT and speech.

>

> At 25 months I had him evaluated by 2 doctors through our 0-3

> program: a developmental pediatrician and a psychologist. Both said

> NO Autism. I was so relieved and my husband pushed to stop the GFCF

> diet. We did, but I kept the fish oil and a few other supplements.

>

> Over that next year my son's language didn't improve and he developed

> other issues like anxiety. When he was just turning 3 we had a

> speech eval at Children's Hospital (Seattle). The awesome SLP urged

> us to get a full ASD eval. Guess what? Autism. And they were right.

>

> I don't know how old your son is, but I think it is very difficult to

> diagnose these less severe kids at an early age like 2-2.5 years.

> The developmental expectations are lower and it is easier to just

> overlook deficits and think 'they'll just catch up'. They can also

> have a good day in the eval (my son did!) which doesn't give a

> realistic picture of the child.

>

> Do not rule out chelation. One of my son's biggest gains from

> chelation has been language. You can even use oral ALA instead of

> locating a prescribing MD for DMSA, DMPS etc. There are ways to

> chelate without being super, super aggressive.

>

> I hope your child doesn't follow the same path mine did, but please

> continue to look in to toxicity, diet and general health.

>

> At this point, I think my son can recover. He is now 6 and in

> kindergarten. I have been chelating for about 18 months; but the

> first year was probably wasted on TD-DMSA. I only wish I had been

> more aggressive when he was 'just' speech delayed!

>

> Take care,

>

> Pam

>

> p.s. I am in the US. I don't know about Canadian vaccinations.

> However, things like lead can affect speech development. My son has

> been dumping some lead since starting oral DMSA and language is

> exploding! Higher level language, too.

>

>

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That's great news! I hope he keeps growing!!

~~

>

> Our son has been in his danmar helmet for 3 1/2 weeks. We had his

measurements taken

> and the ortho said he must have hit a growth spurt. She said if he

keeps growing at this rate,

> we may be finished in 6 weeks!

> I don't want to get too excited because he may not continue with

this growth spurt, but I'm

> very happy. She said we couldnt have had better results and she's

very happy with the

> progress.

> I thought there was a big change, but I wasn't sure if it was just

me wanting to see results.

> I'm so happy we decided to do this. It was a difficult decision, but

the right one.

> Yesterday he took his helmet off (impressive for a guy who is not

even 5 months I think), but

> he didn't do it today. I'm hoping we wont have to add a strap. His

skin looks less irritated.

> The Aveeno baby lotion is helping a lot. So basically, it's a going

really well.

> Thanks for all of your input and support!

>

> , Michigan

> Noah (5 months June 5), Danmar Helmet (3 1/2 weeks)

>

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thanks for the update on Noah. sounds like he is doing really well.

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>

> Our son has been in his danmar helmet for 3 1/2 weeks. We had his

measurements taken

> and the ortho said he must have hit a growth spurt. She said if he

keeps growing at this rate,

> we may be finished in 6 weeks!

> I don't want to get too excited because he may not continue with

this growth spurt, but I'm

> very happy. She said we couldnt have had better results and she's

very happy with the

> progress.

> I thought there was a big change, but I wasn't sure if it was just

me wanting to see results.

> I'm so happy we decided to do this. It was a difficult decision, but

the right one.

> Yesterday he took his helmet off (impressive for a guy who is not

even 5 months I think), but

> he didn't do it today. I'm hoping we wont have to add a strap. His

skin looks less irritated.

> The Aveeno baby lotion is helping a lot. So basically, it's a going

really well.

> Thanks for all of your input and support!

>

> , Michigan

> Noah (5 months June 5), Danmar Helmet (3 1/2 weeks)

>

[Guest guest]

Great news !! I hope the growth and improvement keeps up!

I know my son is already getting uncomfortable in this weather!! One

idea to help with smell and spots that might get irritated- is baby

powder. I put some in his hair, and even some on the helmet.

Theresa

Warren MI

Becker Helmet

>

> Our son has been in his danmar helmet for 3 1/2 weeks. We had his

measurements taken

> and the ortho said he must have hit a growth spurt. She said if he

keeps growing at this rate,

> we may be finished in 6 weeks!

> I don't want to get too excited because he may not continue with

this growth spurt, but I'm

> very happy. She said we couldnt have had better results and she's

very happy with the

> progress.

> I thought there was a big change, but I wasn't sure if it was just

me wanting to see results.

> I'm so happy we decided to do this. It was a difficult decision,

but the right one.

> Yesterday he took his helmet off (impressive for a guy who is not

even 5 months I think), but

> he didn't do it today. I'm hoping we wont have to add a strap. His

skin looks less irritated.

> The Aveeno baby lotion is helping a lot. So basically, it's a going

really well.

> Thanks for all of your input and support!

>

> , Michigan

> Noah (5 months June 5), Danmar Helmet (3 1/2 weeks)

>

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Thanks! I keep forgetting to ask about baby powder. I will try that. It is getting pretty stinky.

On 6/2/07 12:47 PM, " Theresa " <starlight29341@...> wrote:

Great news !! I hope the growth and improvement keeps up!

I know my son is already getting uncomfortable in this weather!! One

idea to help with smell and spots that might get irritated- is baby

powder. I put some in his hair, and even some on the helmet.

Theresa

Warren MI

Becker Helmet

>

> Our son has been in his danmar helmet for 3 1/2 weeks. We had his

measurements taken

> and the ortho said he must have hit a growth spurt. She said if he

keeps growing at this rate,

> we may be finished in 6 weeks!

> I don't want to get too excited because he may not continue with

this growth spurt, but I'm

> very happy. She said we couldnt have had better results and she's

very happy with the

> progress.

> I thought there was a big change, but I wasn't sure if it was just

me wanting to see results.

> I'm so happy we decided to do this. It was a difficult decision,

but the right one.

> Yesterday he took his helmet off (impressive for a guy who is not

even 5 months I think), but

> he didn't do it today. I'm hoping we wont have to add a strap. His

skin looks less irritated.

> The Aveeno baby lotion is helping a lot. So basically, it's a going

really well.

> Thanks for all of your input and support!

>

> , Michigan

> Noah (5 months June 5), Danmar Helmet (3 1/2 weeks)

>

[Guest guest]

That is great news!! Thanks for sharing. I am keeping my fingers crossed for continued growth spurts.

Angie and Jenna

Good News

Our son has been in his danmar helmet for 3 1/2 weeks. We had his measurements taken and the ortho said he must have hit a growth spurt. She said if he keeps growing at this rate, we may be finished in 6 weeks!I don't want to get too excited because he may not continue with this growth spurt, but I'm very happy. She said we couldnt have had better results and she's very happy with the progress.I thought there was a big change, but I wasn't sure if it was just me wanting to see results.I'm so happy we decided to do this. It was a difficult decision, but the right one.Yesterday he took his helmet off (impressive for a guy who is not even 5 months I think), but he didn't do it today. I'm hoping we wont have to add a strap. His skin looks less irritated. The Aveeno baby lotion is helping a lot. So basically, it's a going really well.Thanks for all of your input and support!, MichiganNoah (5 months June 5), Danmar Helmet (3 1/2 weeks)

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DEE - indeed, that is good news!! keep on sharing your progress with the group!! it inspires all of us to continue pushing ahead!!

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Hey Carol, that is great!!!!! I nursed my mom thru both of her knee

replacements and she did great. She was 77 when she did her first and 78 on

her other one. The most important thing to do is keep moving that knee. Mom

would cry with the pain but I kept helping her move it. She did a 90 degree

within the second week. I will keep you in my prayers. Good Luck!!!!

Soft hugs and Prayers,

Deta aka Fayray

>From: " carol " <sweetpeamoss@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: [ ] Good News

>Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:21:31 -0000

>

>I finally am going to get new knees!! Right now i can hardly walk to

>the bathroom, can't do my own housework, garden or go just about

>anywhere besides church and that is painful. but july 31st i get a

>new left knee and then about 6 weeks later the right one. oh i know

>it will hurt like hell but i'm focusing on the long run where i can

>get out of this dang recliner and actually move around. it's not a

>cure but will certainly improve the quality of my life as this is my

>worst spot and i am in pain 24/7. so keep me in your prayers and i

>will keep you posted on the progress. have heard some who thought

>they were dying and others who just jumped up and started moving. i

>guess it depends on your pain threshold. and we all know that we are

>used to pain and lots of it so i'm aiming to be one who just bounces

>up cuz i may be in pain for a few weeks but the beats a few years.

>have a great day

>

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Hi

My sister in law had bilateral total knee replacement on April

16th---she is only 43 yrs old, but, has had

JRA/RA since age two Her surgeon suggested the one knee then six

weeks later the other like you

describe, but, she chose to do both at once....one major surgery, one

anesthesia, one hospitalization, one

stretch out of work, etc. It only involved one more day in the

hospital and then one week at a rehab center

(because she lives alone) to do both at once ! She is walking well

now, two months later, no cane or anything,

and driving and will soon be going back to work as a physical therapy

asst. at a center for handicapped children.

She resisted the surgery for several years...but, now is very glad

she did it

nancy

At 06:21 AM 6/21/2007, you wrote:

>I finally am going to get new knees!! Right now i can hardly walk to

>the bathroom, can't do my own housework, garden or go just about

>anywhere besides church and that is painful. but july 31st i get a

>new left knee and then about 6 weeks later the right one. oh i know

>it will hurt like hell but i'm focusing on the long run where i can

>get out of this dang recliner and actually move around. it's not a

>cure but will certainly improve the quality of my life as this is my

>worst spot and i am in pain 24/7. so keep me in your prayers and i

>will keep you posted on the progress. have heard some who thought

>they were dying and others who just jumped up and started moving. i

>guess it depends on your pain threshold. and we all know that we are

>used to pain and lots of it so i'm aiming to be one who just bounces

>up cuz i may be in pain for a few weeks but the beats a few years.

>have a great day

>

>

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I will have you in my prayers!!!!

[ ] Good News

I finally am going to get new knees!! Right now i can hardly walk to

the bathroom, can't do my own housework, garden or go just about

anywhere besides church and that is painful. but july 31st i get a

new left knee and then about 6 weeks later the right one. oh i know

it will hurt like hell but i'm focusing on the long run where i can

get out of this dang recliner and actually move around. it's not a

cure but will certainly improve the quality of my life as this is my

worst spot and i am in pain 24/7. so keep me in your prayers and i

will keep you posted on the progress. have heard some who thought

they were dying and others who just jumped up and started moving. i

guess it depends on your pain threshold. and we all know that we are

used to pain and lots of it so i'm aiming to be one who just bounces

up cuz i may be in pain for a few weeks but the beats a few years.

have a great day

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Carol - good luck and keep us posted!!

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Great news Carol! I will keep you in my prayers, keep us posted, Tawny

>

> I finally am going to get new knees!! Right now i can hardly walk to

> the bathroom, can't do my own housework, garden or go just about

> anywhere besides church and that is painful. but july 31st i get a

> new left knee and then about 6 weeks later the right one. oh i know

> it will hurt like hell but i'm focusing on the long run where i can

> get out of this dang recliner and actually move around. it's not a

> cure but will certainly improve the quality of my life as this is my

> worst spot and i am in pain 24/7. so keep me in your prayers and i

> will keep you posted on the progress. have heard some who thought

> they were dying and others who just jumped up and started moving. i

> guess it depends on your pain threshold. and we all know that we are

> used to pain and lots of it so i'm aiming to be one who just bounces

> up cuz i may be in pain for a few weeks but the beats a few years.

> have a great day

>

[Guest guest]

carol wrote:

>

> >I finally am going to get new knees!!

>

Congratulations!!

Nina

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Lynn ~

Hooray ! I am so happy for you that

that horrible pain is do-able right now.

Tomorrow, they will even be better !

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