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Tom - I understand, we hear all sorts of horror stories about the fires in the East - hope you are OK - there is no huge rush, just see him when you can - See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.

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Hi Tom Elly here. I am so glad you are home,but please don't do anything you

shouldn't! Wow 36 years and still together! Feels good doesn't it, to be among

the ones who really made it work, even in sickness and health.I hope you

continue to improve and great news about your insurance. Still praying for

you,Elly

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Hi Tom Elly here. I am so glad you are home,but please don't do anything you

shouldn't! Wow 36 years and still together! Feels good doesn't it, to be among

the ones who really made it work, even in sickness and health.I hope you

continue to improve and great news about your insurance. Still praying for

you,Elly

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Hi Tom Elly here. I am so glad you are home,but please don't do anything you

shouldn't! Wow 36 years and still together! Feels good doesn't it, to be among

the ones who really made it work, even in sickness and health.I hope you

continue to improve and great news about your insurance. Still praying for

you,Elly

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Hi Tom,

I feel for YOU.

I had two ruptured discs that were always causing me pain!

To have 3......I dont even want to think about it.

Do you plan on having surgery to correct them?

Liz

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> I have 3 herniated disks in my neck and they are a constant source of pain..

> I lose mobility in my neck later in the day. My meds seem to keep away

headaches.. That could be either from your neck or simply the stress from the

> neck

> I feel for you..

> Tom

>

>

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> dadams1959@... writes:

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> In a message dated 8/4/2008 12:17:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> _angelbaby0580@angelbaby_ (mailto:angelbaby0580@...) writes:

>

> I went to bed with a headache and the back of my neck was hurting and I woke

> up the same way. Would this have something to do with my 2 herinated disc in

> my neck?

>

> I'd definitely think so.

>

> I have DDD and have a headache almost every day. It usually comes on after

> I've sat working for a while and most times I find I'm scrunching my

> shoulders up a bit from stress. Then I begin feeling foggy and find it hard

> to

> concentrate, have ringing ears and aching neck. And then the headache

> begins.

> I know the exercises to do to ward off the headache but sometimes they do

> come on suddenly and I don't have time to do the 'towel snag' thing that is

> supposed to help. I'm faithful to the exercises I learned in PT...shoulder

> rolls, shoulder squeezes, and chin tucks so I don't know what else to do.

>

> Let us know what you find out tomorrow.

> Dianne

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Hi Tom,

I feel for YOU.

I had two ruptured discs that were always causing me pain!

To have 3......I dont even want to think about it.

Do you plan on having surgery to correct them?

Liz

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http://360./petspal2003

-------------- Original message from tomhfsu@...: --------------

> I have 3 herniated disks in my neck and they are a constant source of pain..

> I lose mobility in my neck later in the day. My meds seem to keep away

headaches.. That could be either from your neck or simply the stress from the

> neck

> I feel for you..

> Tom

>

>

> In a message dated 8/4/2008 11:24:39 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> dadams1959@... writes:

>

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 8/4/2008 12:17:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> _angelbaby0580@angelbaby_ (mailto:angelbaby0580@...) writes:

>

> I went to bed with a headache and the back of my neck was hurting and I woke

> up the same way. Would this have something to do with my 2 herinated disc in

> my neck?

>

> I'd definitely think so.

>

> I have DDD and have a headache almost every day. It usually comes on after

> I've sat working for a while and most times I find I'm scrunching my

> shoulders up a bit from stress. Then I begin feeling foggy and find it hard

> to

> concentrate, have ringing ears and aching neck. And then the headache

> begins.

> I know the exercises to do to ward off the headache but sometimes they do

> come on suddenly and I don't have time to do the 'towel snag' thing that is

> supposed to help. I'm faithful to the exercises I learned in PT...shoulder

> rolls, shoulder squeezes, and chin tucks so I don't know what else to do.

>

> Let us know what you find out tomorrow.

> Dianne

>

> **************************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits

> Read reviews on AOL Autos.

> (_http://autos.http://autos.http://autos.http://autos.http://autos.

> u_

>

(http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017)

> )

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> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget?

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I am sorry to hear about your friend, I would light candles and do

and think things that bring happy thoughts of him

> >

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> > >I had a friend A christain friend drive 14 hours to come here

to

> > >help me and guess what she did the whole time???She took

liberal

> > >advantage of me by asking me for my things, and for my pills

and

> for

> > >the things my friend left behind

> > >I had to ask her to leave!!!!!!!I

> > >can you beleive that?

> >

> > That is unbelievable that someone could be so cold and using.

Not

> > really a friend. I will pray that when you are ready maybe God

will

> > bring a suitable housemate or close by friend for you. Keep

> hanging

> > in there. I know the emotions and distress are all too close and

> > painful at this time. This is something that it will take a long

> > time to be at peace with. Blessings, Dave

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I am sorry to hear about your friend, I would light candles and do

and think things that bring happy thoughts of him

> >

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to

> > >help me and guess what she did the whole time???She took

liberal

> > >advantage of me by asking me for my things, and for my pills

and

> for

> > >the things my friend left behind

> > >I had to ask her to leave!!!!!!!I

> > >can you beleive that?

> >

> > That is unbelievable that someone could be so cold and using.

Not

> > really a friend. I will pray that when you are ready maybe God

will

> > bring a suitable housemate or close by friend for you. Keep

> hanging

> > in there. I know the emotions and distress are all too close and

> > painful at this time. This is something that it will take a long

> > time to be at peace with. Blessings, Dave

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Thanks Tom for clearing up in such good detail some of the Thyroid

conditions. I don't know if you ever heard that the main toxin that is

destroying the

tyroid is fluoride. This is a known fact in ohter countries

where is not permited to be added to the watter nor dental treatments as it

is still done here. Muy brother came across this information more than 5 yrs.

ago from Brazil. I didin't believe him. He sent me all his rese-arched & now

It is epidemics proportions & on top of that the present way to test is

antiquated, innacurate &

causes more harm than good. This info. all from the Washington Univ.

that has created a simpler

less inexpensive & accurate one, but It's been difficult to get it IT

implemented acrossed the medical field.

I called the Ohio State University Lab Director & asked if they were using

the new Unmunnosay thyroid test & she told me she had NO idea there was a new

way to get it done & woul be very gratefull if I could sent her the

information since they're a medical University they're very much interested in

the

best & latest tech.

So I faxed her the article ( Fibromyalgia news letter) & asked her to please

let me know if the started the process to implement the new system. This was

almost a yr. ago & I never heard back from her.

I really believe I got a thyroid problem along wt. what ever else autoinmune

desease this is ( if NOT " the " entired problem) but they continue to just

check on muy more than a dozen goiters that according to them I'm just a

" low " normal. But I have the entire list of symptoms of hypo.( but the bood test

doesn't match them!)There are dr's awere of this & start tp treat the patients

regardless of the tests. Unfortunatelly the only one I konw of is not in muy

insurance & wont give me an appmt. (they get to be very popular).

VIVI

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deal here.

(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

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Thanks Tom for clearing up in such good detail some of the Thyroid

conditions. I don't know if you ever heard that the main toxin that is

destroying the

tyroid is fluoride. This is a known fact in ohter countries

where is not permited to be added to the watter nor dental treatments as it

is still done here. Muy brother came across this information more than 5 yrs.

ago from Brazil. I didin't believe him. He sent me all his rese-arched & now

It is epidemics proportions & on top of that the present way to test is

antiquated, innacurate &

causes more harm than good. This info. all from the Washington Univ.

that has created a simpler

less inexpensive & accurate one, but It's been difficult to get it IT

implemented acrossed the medical field.

I called the Ohio State University Lab Director & asked if they were using

the new Unmunnosay thyroid test & she told me she had NO idea there was a new

way to get it done & woul be very gratefull if I could sent her the

information since they're a medical University they're very much interested in

the

best & latest tech.

So I faxed her the article ( Fibromyalgia news letter) & asked her to please

let me know if the started the process to implement the new system. This was

almost a yr. ago & I never heard back from her.

I really believe I got a thyroid problem along wt. what ever else autoinmune

desease this is ( if NOT " the " entired problem) but they continue to just

check on muy more than a dozen goiters that according to them I'm just a

" low " normal. But I have the entire list of symptoms of hypo.( but the bood test

doesn't match them!)There are dr's awere of this & start tp treat the patients

regardless of the tests. Unfortunatelly the only one I konw of is not in muy

insurance & wont give me an appmt. (they get to be very popular).

VIVI

**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel

deal here.

(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

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Thanks Tom for clearing up in such good detail some of the Thyroid

conditions. I don't know if you ever heard that the main toxin that is

destroying the

tyroid is fluoride. This is a known fact in ohter countries

where is not permited to be added to the watter nor dental treatments as it

is still done here. Muy brother came across this information more than 5 yrs.

ago from Brazil. I didin't believe him. He sent me all his rese-arched & now

It is epidemics proportions & on top of that the present way to test is

antiquated, innacurate &

causes more harm than good. This info. all from the Washington Univ.

that has created a simpler

less inexpensive & accurate one, but It's been difficult to get it IT

implemented acrossed the medical field.

I called the Ohio State University Lab Director & asked if they were using

the new Unmunnosay thyroid test & she told me she had NO idea there was a new

way to get it done & woul be very gratefull if I could sent her the

information since they're a medical University they're very much interested in

the

best & latest tech.

So I faxed her the article ( Fibromyalgia news letter) & asked her to please

let me know if the started the process to implement the new system. This was

almost a yr. ago & I never heard back from her.

I really believe I got a thyroid problem along wt. what ever else autoinmune

desease this is ( if NOT " the " entired problem) but they continue to just

check on muy more than a dozen goiters that according to them I'm just a

" low " normal. But I have the entire list of symptoms of hypo.( but the bood test

doesn't match them!)There are dr's awere of this & start tp treat the patients

regardless of the tests. Unfortunatelly the only one I konw of is not in muy

insurance & wont give me an appmt. (they get to be very popular).

VIVI

**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel

deal here.

(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

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Vivi,

What test for hypo are you getting? Just TSH?

You should be tested for antibodies, which can indicate Hashimoto's.

You should also have your T3 and T4 tested as those hormones are

better indicators of thyroid issues than TSH. The medical machine

didn't use to recognize T3 and T4, only " alternative " docs did, but

now most of the docs I run into have no problem running those for me

and then adjusting my meds (Unithroid - T4, Cytomel - T3) according to

that and not my TSH.

Houston, TX

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Vivi,

What test for hypo are you getting? Just TSH?

You should be tested for antibodies, which can indicate Hashimoto's.

You should also have your T3 and T4 tested as those hormones are

better indicators of thyroid issues than TSH. The medical machine

didn't use to recognize T3 and T4, only " alternative " docs did, but

now most of the docs I run into have no problem running those for me

and then adjusting my meds (Unithroid - T4, Cytomel - T3) according to

that and not my TSH.

Houston, TX

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Vivi,

What test for hypo are you getting? Just TSH?

You should be tested for antibodies, which can indicate Hashimoto's.

You should also have your T3 and T4 tested as those hormones are

better indicators of thyroid issues than TSH. The medical machine

didn't use to recognize T3 and T4, only " alternative " docs did, but

now most of the docs I run into have no problem running those for me

and then adjusting my meds (Unithroid - T4, Cytomel - T3) according to

that and not my TSH.

Houston, TX

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tom -

I've had them twice also - I'm so sorry - hang in there bud. they stink. I

know how painful they are. The first time I had them, it was on my left

side of my face, I had no clue what was going on, but I woke up (on my

birthday) and thought what is this and why does it hurt so much.. get

anti-virals and fast.. don't waste any time at all..

I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers..

Alli

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tom -

I've had them twice also - I'm so sorry - hang in there bud. they stink. I

know how painful they are. The first time I had them, it was on my left

side of my face, I had no clue what was going on, but I woke up (on my

birthday) and thought what is this and why does it hurt so much.. get

anti-virals and fast.. don't waste any time at all..

I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers..

Alli

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Once again I'm not angry, those are your words and my cat loves me. Then you should trust your Doctor as he has many more years of med School than you do........

From: Denna Poulos <supermom1@...>cholesteatoma Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 10:58:22 PMSubject: Tom

Tom,

not even sure how to reply to someone so angry and in a "kick the cat" mood. You've been sending missles my way since I joined this group and I've replied with interest in knowing more and in a spirit of trying to understand. I have always been civil and respectful in my posts to you. You mis-read my words and put words in my mouth then hit me over the head with a baseball bat and complain I'm bleeding on your carpet. No one else here has been so mean and nasty towards me-do you have relationship issues in general? I am a peaceful and generous woman but I'm no-one's whipping-boy and I won't be yours.

I'm not justifying anything-you' ve made that up-BTW, we do have an Otologist and I have every faith in his abilities (you must have missed reading that part as I've said it before.) I agree to your statement that we should stop communicating, as I appear to be the only one interested in "communication" while you would rather throw bombs. Best of luck to you Tom, in all your future endeavours. Denna Poulos

From: Tom Hansen <pingmn123 (DOT) com>cholesteatomaSent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 9:27:10 PMSubject: Re: to Tom-again

I think your getting desperate, surgery despite the tools used is the only way to rid someone of this....nice Try. Next will you be suggesting that if they built a new Hopital then things would have changed? The tools may change they use in the procedures but the procedures don't from what other say in this forum. If you dont trust your Doc's opinion then I suggest you find another Doc. Perhaps this time an Otologist over a ENT? It sounds like your trying to justify your actions by mirco managing the true issues....good luck to you, this issue has stopping point for me as you seem to know more than others here....

Tom Hansen

From: Denna Poulos <supermom1rogers (DOT) com>cholesteatomaSent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 4:09:01 PMSubject: to Tom-again

Hi Tom,

thanks for the proof! LOL!

You're right. I am questioning the need for the surgery, although with the help of the kind people in this group I am coming to the conclusion that I can't undo the past and can only move forward-my questioning only comes from the place that even the surgeon isn't sure he has a c-toma-so essentially it's "exploratory surgery" with plenty of after effects.If there was a clear c-toma I would not be asking any questions! It would be coming out.

Well, I was surprised to read that nothing has changed in c-toma surgery. Surely the high power microscopes and robotic arms and amazing lasers have changed the landscape of this surgery. 34 years ago your surgery likely involved crude scalpels and that's it-things are very different now in the operating room-even the drugs to induce "sleep" are different. And the drugs to check infection after are different too. Perhaps you are saying that the method of entry remains the same-behind the ear, and the CWU and CWD procedures. But surely these procedures are more precise and targeted now? And more of the structures can be worked around and perhaps spared because of the microscopic tools used?

Denna Poulos

From: Tom Hansen <pingmn123 (DOT) com>cholesteatomaSent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 2:09:36 PMSubject: Re: ] to Tom-again

sorry did not proof this:

Nothing personal other than it shouldn't even be a question on what to do...read your own words, Your the one questioning to do this or not....Not me...And nothing really has not change that much in C-toma treatment in the 30 plus years I've been around it.... Sorry but that's factual....

From: Tom Hansen <pingmn123 (DOT) com>cholesteatomaSent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:36:58 PMSubject: Re: ] to Tom-again

Nothing person on my end other than there sound even be a question on what to...Read your own words, you where question yourself weither to do this or not....Not me

Tom Hansen

From: Denna Poulos <supermom1rogers (DOT) com>cholesteatomaSent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 5:44:06 AMSubject: ] to Tom-again

Tom,

not sure where you're coming from here-I'm hearing alot of anger towards someone just asking questions-I don't have any guilt-why would you think that? And "common sense" isn't all that common, at times, is it? I didn't make any argument about anything being "outdated". Where did that comment come from? But now that you mention it I guess I would argue that indeed much has changed in medicine in 34 years-it would be freaky scary if it had not, don't you agree? We have a much better understanding of how the body works and how it heals, and I'm not even touching on the psycho-spiritual side of health/disease. And I wasn't chastising you for being blunt. As I'm very new to this group, I was just making a "statement" commenting on your, well, blunt post. Don't take things so personally and don't be so quick to be on the defensive. I mean no harm or disrespect. And just because I haven't suffered with a cholesteatoma myself doesn't

mean I have no empathy. I have loads of empathy. Perhaps you find my questions intrusive because of the human nature to continue to justify decisions made, no matter the outcome or the pain or the dysfunction of those decisions. That is perfectly understandable and common in a group such as this. If I only wanted people to agree with me I would have joined a group called the "don't ever have cholesteatoma surgery" group. I sought out this group to balance my thinking and to hear and learn more about this condition. Period. People like you are helping me immensely, even in ways I never imagined! LOL. Keep well. Denna Poulos

From: Tom Hansen <pingmn123 (DOT) com>cholesteatomaSent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 4:31:24 AMSubject: Re: to Tom

Well, 34 years ago my parents made this choice form me and I'm VERY glad they did what they did. Not much has changed since then so being out dated is not a valid argument. Your allowing YOUR guilt to guide to these questions instead of YOUR common sense. I have never been anything but upfront and blunt here, I will not apologize for it especially to someone who has never had this themselves. I've been on both side of the coin, 2 of my 4 operations where Mom and Dads call, 2 of them where mine. Then you have to choose the least affect method of surgery's or the most affective. Surgery equals pain and the less operations you have the better, do not confuse this with not having the surgery. Good luck to you...

Tom Hansen

From: Denna Poulos <supermom1rogers (DOT) com>cholesteatomaSent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 1:02:16 AMSubject: to Tom

Hey Tom, well, that was blunt. But we are in agreement that death is bad. I hear ya! Denna Poulos

From: Tom Hansen <pingmn123 (DOT) com>cholesteatomaSent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:36:05 PMSubject: Re: who regrets having this surgery

the worst case if you dont have this surgery is that you will Die...That sounds bad enought for me....

Tom Hansen

From: "supermom1rogers (DOT) com" <supermom1rogers (DOT) com>cholesteatomaSent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:33:23 PMSubject: who regrets having this surgery

Hi everyone,I've been chatting with a few of you. No one seems immune from many problems after surgery-repeat surgeries, can't get water in ears, dizziness, funny tastes in mouth, balance issues, etc. And they seem to drag on for years, in some cases. Would you do this again? Do you ever wonder if this surgery was really necessary? Of course, NOT doing it means, as some have said, you live as a "ticking time bomb", but has anyone considered finding a way to disolve the growth, through diet or any other complementary means? There really has to be a better answer, don't you think? Has anyone asked their surgeon what the worse case scenario is, and I mean the worst, that could happen in the distant future if surgery is not done? These are important questions that I prefer to have answers to before I subject my 11 year old to this surgery with so many "after isues". Thanks for any of your thoughts in

advance.

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Hello GB,

It all depends upon what you are trying to do.

If you want to deodorize a room, you need to use a stronger concentration, and

it will have a strong odor.

If you want to purify water, you only need a low concentration and in order to

have water that is good to drink, it should taste good too.

Tom

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> I covered up for 3 minutes!! to not smell but after smellet horoble.Also this

is the point also whenn used for smell preventions is basement/aldo differents

%/made the solutions and with fan disperse the " smell " Made my 900 qfoot basement

very very plesent,pluss ABPA /bio photon analizer smell antidote tecnic applied.

> So the 2 solutions for 3 minutes NOT posed to be covered up then!is that

make a differents of smell concerns?? Gb tnx

>

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Looks good, thanks for the link - have u or anyone you know tried this water system?From: cardboard <cardboard@...> Sent: Thu, 9 September, 2010 11:38:19Subject: Re: [ ] Tom

No, but I'm really interested in structured water.

http://www.ultimatestructuredwater.com/

Sandy

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Tom, do you know anything about Deuterium Depleted Water?http://www.bionomictech.com/products_ddw.phpThanks,Dave

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Well, of course I want to buy one. I also want the zero point energy wand and I bought a thing to reduce my elecrical usage and MMS1 and an e-cigarete kit for my sister in law. I also just bought 6 bags of 78% pool shock. Money is going fast. Maybe I will buy and try it in October. I really want it by spring so I can use the structured water on my garden.

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Tom, do you know anything about Deuterium Depleted Water?http://www.bionomictech.com/products_ddw.phpThanks,Dave

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I believe what the man says and know it to be correct from many

other sources... what I question is whether his "machine" does what he

claims

On 9/9/2010 6:38 AM, cardboard wrote:

No, but I'm really interested in structured water.

http://www.ultimatestructuredwater.com/

Sandy

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Tom, do you know anything about Deuterium

Depleted Water?

http://www.bionomictech.com/products_ddw.php

Thanks,

Dave

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Dave,Thanks for posting the link. Didnt look at it first time post as I didnt think it was a water filter. Thats exactly the kind of water system i have been looking for, one that removes flouride & all the other 'nasties'. Thats if it really does what it says. I have e-mailed them to ask if they have any independent test results to show that the filter really does remove flouride, which is very difficult to take out compared to chlorine & all the other chemicals in tap water.I presume u havent tried it or do you know anything else about it thats not on their website?ValFrom: silverfox_science <poast@...> Sent: Fri, 10 September, 2010 2:33:42Subject: [ ] Re: Tom

Hello Dave,

I have not studied that, but it looks interesting.

Tom

>

> Tom, do you know anything about Deuterium Depleted Water?

> http://www.bionomictech.com/products_ddw.php

> Thanks,

> Dave

>

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