Pneumonia

[Guest guest]

Sharon, It sounds like she may have the flu. Ask her where it hurts when she

coughs. Also make sure she is getting plenty of fluids. She can sound very

dry if she is not getting enough fluids. Popsicles work great especially if

she will not drink. If you do not have any you can make them in ice cube

trays with juice. Just put a small fork or spoom in them as they freeze. or

put them in a rag as they suck on them. Then, I would call the doctor and ask

them how to use your nebulizer, how often and how much med to let you get

through til the roads are clear. IF she is on Omnicef in most circumstances

it will hold off a bacterial infection. If it is a viral pneumonia then

keeping her lungs open, lots of fluids will usually help you get to the next

step. Just my opinion. BARBIE

[Guest guest]

Sharon, If she is leaning over and pursing her lips and is unable to talk to

you and you have been giving her treatments every 3-4 hours you need to talk

to your doctor immediatley. You need a medical plan from your doctor. 911 is

an option not to forget. BARBIE

[Guest guest]

> Sharon, If she is leaning over and pursing her lips and is unable

to talk to

> you and you have been giving her treatments every 3-4 hours you

need to talk

> to your doctor immediatley

Thanks for your input Barbie, however she was able to talk, but just

extremely weak and miserable, This is one of our worst infections

this year. Hopefully this shot of Rocephin will do the trick. I

was very worried it was pneumonia but thank goodness it WASN'T!!

Praise God for that.

Have a nice weekend

Sharon

s mom PID

[Guest guest]

> > . Popsicles work great especially if

> she will not drink. If you do not have any you can make them in ice

cube

> trays with juice. Just put a small fork or spoom in them as they

freeze. or

> put them in a rag as they suck on them.

Barbie,

I love that idea. Thank you!

Sharon

[Guest guest]

How about mustard plasters to increase circulation? Are those still used?

I saw my nurse grandmother do one on my sister once.

J.

RE: Re: Pneumonia

Thanks Moria,

Had only started the extra blankets, hot baths, vit C and water, but will

introduce steam/humidifier with a few good things added. Also got her out

of the bed with the " Oh whoa is me " song and put her in the sun room, so

the

sun can beat on her with a dozen Jerry tapes.

Ron

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> Grandma is down with pneumonia. Considering any and all advice.

>

> Thank You,

>

> Ron

>

>

hot and cold showers

hot bath with hot herbs; induce sweating (e.g. hot tea; sweating

herbs; sauna; lots of blankets; the cold sheet treatment;

ND's know some good sweating treatments....)

vitamin C

vitamin A

lots of water -- liquid diet is an option

acupunture

echinacea (and some Chinese herbs, sorry I don't know names,

I have formulas given to me...)

bentonite baths

H202 baths, H202 in ears

enemas; colonics

massage

steam to inhale (can include essential oils, H202....)

I also like the idea of mild exercise/movement, deep breathing,

bouncing on rebounder...

regards,

Moria

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> Grandma is down with pneumonia. Considering any and all advice.

>

> Thank You,

>

> Ron

>

>

hot and cold showers

hot bath with hot herbs; induce sweating (e.g. hot tea; sweating

herbs; sauna; lots of blankets; the cold sheet treatment;

ND's know some good sweating treatments....)

vitamin C

vitamin A

lots of water -- liquid diet is an option

acupunture

echinacea (and some Chinese herbs, sorry I don't know names,

I have formulas given to me...)

bentonite baths

H202 baths, H202 in ears

enemas; colonics

massage

steam to inhale (can include essential oils, H202....)

I also like the idea of mild exercise/movement, deep breathing,

bouncing on rebounder...

regards,

Moria

[Guest guest]

Thanks Moria,

Had only started the extra blankets, hot baths, vit C and water, but will

introduce steam/humidifier with a few good things added. Also got her out

of the bed with the " Oh whoa is me " song and put her in the sun room, so the

sun can beat on her with a dozen Jerry tapes.

Ron

Re: Pneumonia

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> Grandma is down with pneumonia. Considering any and all advice.

>

> Thank You,

>

> Ron

>

>

hot and cold showers

hot bath with hot herbs; induce sweating (e.g. hot tea; sweating

herbs; sauna; lots of blankets; the cold sheet treatment;

ND's know some good sweating treatments....)

vitamin C

vitamin A

lots of water -- liquid diet is an option

acupunture

echinacea (and some Chinese herbs, sorry I don't know names,

I have formulas given to me...)

bentonite baths

H202 baths, H202 in ears

enemas; colonics

massage

steam to inhale (can include essential oils, H202....)

I also like the idea of mild exercise/movement, deep breathing,

bouncing on rebounder...

regards,

Moria

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Moria,

Had only started the extra blankets, hot baths, vit C and water, but will

introduce steam/humidifier with a few good things added. Also got her out

of the bed with the " Oh whoa is me " song and put her in the sun room, so the

sun can beat on her with a dozen Jerry tapes.

Ron

Re: Pneumonia

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> Grandma is down with pneumonia. Considering any and all advice.

>

> Thank You,

>

> Ron

>

>

hot and cold showers

hot bath with hot herbs; induce sweating (e.g. hot tea; sweating

herbs; sauna; lots of blankets; the cold sheet treatment;

ND's know some good sweating treatments....)

vitamin C

vitamin A

lots of water -- liquid diet is an option

acupunture

echinacea (and some Chinese herbs, sorry I don't know names,

I have formulas given to me...)

bentonite baths

H202 baths, H202 in ears

enemas; colonics

massage

steam to inhale (can include essential oils, H202....)

I also like the idea of mild exercise/movement, deep breathing,

bouncing on rebounder...

regards,

Moria

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[Guest guest]

-

If I remember right seems like Jim, the list moderator, had good

results inhaling a few drops of tea tree oil in a hot cup of water

several times daily. If you also have a nebulizer use a mixture of

CS/MSM and do breathing treatment 20 minutes or so at least three

times daily.

-- In oxyplus , " petruccione " <petruccione@s...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> Grandma is down with pneumonia. Considering any and all advice.

>

> Thank You,

>

> Ron

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You can try putting hydrogen peroxide in your ears, and also your bath water, if

you can't find the 35% food grade you can use the 3% but this has stablizers in

it.......when I run out of the 35% I use 6-8 bottles of the 3% over the counter

and soak in as hot of water as you can stand 30-45 minutes.....then head to bed

with plenty of blankets.......

Also cheyenne peppers work great also, boil the whole peppers, take them out of

the water, let it cool then soak your feet.....

Hope some of this information helps.....

gale ^i^

http://www.AwakeningsEnergy.com

Re: Pneumonia

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> Grandma is down with pneumonia. Considering any and all advice.

>

> Thank You,

>

> Ron

>

>

hot and cold showers

hot bath with hot herbs; induce sweating (e.g. hot tea; sweating

herbs; sauna; lots of blankets; the cold sheet treatment;

ND's know some good sweating treatments....)

vitamin C

vitamin A

lots of water -- liquid diet is an option

acupunture

echinacea (and some Chinese herbs, sorry I don't know names,

I have formulas given to me...)

bentonite baths

H202 baths, H202 in ears

enemas; colonics

massage

steam to inhale (can include essential oils, H202....)

I also like the idea of mild exercise/movement, deep breathing,

bouncing on rebounder...

regards,

Moria

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[Guest guest]

You could also use olive leaft extract (anti viral, anti bactirial) or oil

of oregano. 2000mg vit C every hour until she feels a little better and

then back off a little. Homeopatics are good, muscle test to find the best

one. (Gelsimum, Bella Donna etc) I bought a kit once which is very handy as

you have a variety to choose from.

This is what I usually do.

le

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > Grandma is down with pneumonia. Considering any and all advice.

> >

> > Thank You,

> >

> > Ron

> >

> >

>

>

>hot and cold showers

>hot bath with hot herbs; induce sweating (e.g. hot tea; sweating

> herbs; sauna; lots of blankets; the cold sheet treatment;

> ND's know some good sweating treatments....)

>vitamin C

>vitamin A

>lots of water -- liquid diet is an option

>acupunture

>echinacea (and some Chinese herbs, sorry I don't know names,

> I have formulas given to me...)

>bentonite baths

>H202 baths, H202 in ears

>enemas; colonics

>massage

>steam to inhale (can include essential oils, H202....)

>

>I also like the idea of mild exercise/movement, deep breathing,

>bouncing on rebounder...

>

>regards,

>Moria

>

>

>

>

>

>

>OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

>other

>alternative self-help subjects.

>

>THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

>This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are

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>your

>own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability

>to

>take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

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>here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher

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>

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>

[Guest guest]

You could also use olive leaft extract (anti viral, anti bactirial) or oil

of oregano. 2000mg vit C every hour until she feels a little better and

then back off a little. Homeopatics are good, muscle test to find the best

one. (Gelsimum, Bella Donna etc) I bought a kit once which is very handy as

you have a variety to choose from.

This is what I usually do.

le

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > Grandma is down with pneumonia. Considering any and all advice.

> >

> > Thank You,

> >

> > Ron

> >

> >

>

>

>hot and cold showers

>hot bath with hot herbs; induce sweating (e.g. hot tea; sweating

> herbs; sauna; lots of blankets; the cold sheet treatment;

> ND's know some good sweating treatments....)

>vitamin C

>vitamin A

>lots of water -- liquid diet is an option

>acupunture

>echinacea (and some Chinese herbs, sorry I don't know names,

> I have formulas given to me...)

>bentonite baths

>H202 baths, H202 in ears

>enemas; colonics

>massage

>steam to inhale (can include essential oils, H202....)

>

>I also like the idea of mild exercise/movement, deep breathing,

>bouncing on rebounder...

>

>regards,

>Moria

>

>

>

>

>

>

>OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

>other

>alternative self-help subjects.

>

>THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

>This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are

>for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

>information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at

>your

>own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability

>to

>take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

>hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

>here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher

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>

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>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

For a few days I've been off list due to a sinus infection, which for me,

often goes into bronchitis or pneumonia. I know that you have had the stuff

for quite a while but havent read lately what the reports are. I'm spending

lots of time assessing the weather and road situation in the attempt to

decide the best time to leave for GA from MI.

I don't know if I wrote and acually emailed the post I wrote about

mycolplasma pneumonia, but that was the longest lasting for me and one of my

sons. I still get pain in the area where it was when I'm feeling wimpy and I

actully had the stuff years ago(about 20 to be exact). The warm sun of the

beach that year was especailly healing so it seemed to me. Hope you have a

good trip.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/22/2004 9:54:42 PM Pacific Standard Time,

supermattvan@... writes:

I feel better in the breathing department. But I

still feel sicker than a dog

Call the MD and let them know how you are feeling. It could all be 'normal'

but...it could be something else too...

pneumonia is nasty... can take a long while to get over. But worth letting

the MD know how you are doing....and see if he wants anything else to be

happening.

K

Adrienne's Mom

[Guest guest]

As we are told, with any antibiotic. Take it until the prescription is

finished. Anything less could mean more trouble down the road.

+Dave

[Guest guest]

Hi Matt,

I have had pneumonia several times. Was hospitalized twice 4 days the first

time and 5 days the second time. The first time they would not discharge me

unless I assured them that my daughter (two at the time) would be cared for by

someone else. I'm a single Mom. You need all your strength to focus on

yourself getting better. They were right, it was tiring enough the first week

just

to take care of myself. My daughter came home the end of the second week. I

was still weak, but well enough to have her back home.

The second time was last March 2003. My daughter was 13. I was discharged,

but didn't feel any real improvement for a couple weeks. On and off low grade

fevers, aches, and pains, swollen glands on and off, shortness of breath and

fatigue. I went from finally recovering from the pneumonia, and into a flare.

Take the meds, rest and do not overdo it!

Janet - Ohio

Undif Spondy, Fibro, CFS, Raynauds

[Guest guest]

--- supermattvan@... wrote:

> Hi this is a question for anyone who has had pneumonia before. My lungs are

> finally clearing up and I feel better in the breathing department. But I

still feel sicker than a dog... I have about 4 days of antibiotics left. Should

I finish them off before making any> decisions?

you finish your antibiotics,if you dont do it,you

get worse and the bugs get restitve to the kind of

antibiotics you got-R de Jong

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/23/2004 2:37:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,

webfriar@... writes:

As we are told, with any antibiotic. Take it until the prescription is

finished.

Thanks for the good advice all. As you know, I had pneumonia in December,

had strep throat and pink eye in February and now I have pneumonia again in

March. My body is totally exhausted. I have never, ever felt so bad. I know

that the people on this list will know what I mean. I am used to being in

pain and forcing myself to do things while at the same time maintain a balance

of not overdoing things. But today I feel like I can hardly move my hand and

getting up is like climbing a mountain. My antibiotics go until Friday, the

day I have a Doctor's appointment to have things checked out again. I guess

part of the problem is that I am going stir crazy from being cooped up three

times in close succession. You can only watch so many reruns of Star Trek.

I went out for a bit today to get a look at real sunlight and breathe real

air. It made me feel good but it didn't take long before I was wiped out and

exhausted. It just seems unfair somehow to put up with this and all my

regular pain to. I feel I should get a " get out of jail free card " for other

health problems. Matt

[Guest guest]

Thanks Janet in SF and Janet in Ohio

Janet in SF wrote: But, my experience is that it's harder for me to recover

from an infection than " normal " people who are otherwise healthy.

Janet in Ohio wrote: I went from finally recovering from the pneumonia, and

into a flare.

That is exactly what I feel like, my breathing is easier but I ache all over

with fibromyalgia pain and it is difficult to find the energy just to take

care of myself. Thanks for the feedback. I am going to take your advice and

wait until Friday after the Doctor has made sure it is gone for good. I

don't think I could stand a third bout. The first time was bad enough. But

the

second time I thought I was going to drown from the inside out. Thanks

again. Matt

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/23/2004 10:27:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,

webfriar@... writes:

Totally off topic. But can't resist it

Matt, you have got to be kidding. Ottawa has " real " air????????????????

Sure, we have real air. Every town and city in Canada sends their biggest

hot air producer to Ottawa as a MP where they can no longer frighten small

animals and sensitive children.

[Guest guest]

Matt, I've experienced a similar thing with sinus infections. I think our

immune systems are already taxed by our spondyloarthropathy so then when we

get really sick it's hard to recover. I so hope you feel better soon.

Pneumonia isn't something you just bounce back from. I've known so many

people who've been in the hospital with pneumonia the last few months.

Hopefully, your doc will do another chest X-ray to make sure you're

recovering normally. But, my experience is that it's harder for me to

recover from an infection than " normal " people who are otherwise healthy.

Janet in SF

[Guest guest]

Totally off topic. But can't resist it

Matt, you have got to be kidding. Ottawa has " real " air????????????????

+Dave

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/23/2004 6:59:38 PM Pacific Standard Time,

supermattvan@... writes:

I am going to take your advice and

wait until Friday after the Doctor has made sure it is gone for good. I

don't think I could stand a third bout. The first time was bad enough. But

the

second time I thought I was going to drown from the inside out.

You were!

Matt, I had pneumonia in 2003... I don't have the immune disorders common on

this list (as I am mom, not Adrienne) The doctor didn't put me in the hospital

but sent me home 'to bed' for two weeks, then upon recheck my meds were

continued for another 2 weeks and I was told 'take it easy for 6 to 8 weeks "

He

wasn't kidding! Taking it easy... meant just that. I would go to the mountain

with my family... and my only job was to take the dogs (miniture dachshunds)

out for a walk... the first week, the walk was up and down the side of the

RV... and I was Exhausted... back inside to rest for 2 hours until the next

doggie walk.

The next week the walk was around the RV...

The next week, I walked a little ways up and down past a few (very few)

RVs... then back to ours. The next... I was thrilled, I made it 1/4 way through

the parking lot... next week, 1/2... and by the end of ski season, I could walk

the entire length of the parking lot. Still, I was tired after that.

It took me until August to begin feeling 'good'.

This year, in October I got my first ever pneumonia shot. Stung like a son

of a gun...but figured...it was better than getting sick all over again. And

so far.. it is working

I am not meaning to scare you, as that is not my intent.... only to share

that... pneunmonia is an exhausting illness. If it hit me this hard without

immune disorders, I can only imagine it would be harder you or Adrienne.

My MD told me to be sure to drink hot tea, and breath in the steam, eat hot

soup, and inhale the steam, take a hot shower... and inhale the steam. He said

the warm moist air helps rid the pneumonia and heal the lungs.

Sending you wishes for a better day today and tomorrow!!!

K

Adrienne's Mom

[Guest guest]

Matt, my brother had pneumonia and pleuresy, and needed another course of

antibiotics to finish it off... I would say see the doctor before you reach

the end of your antibiotic course, because he might want to extend it. I

think this is more effective than waiting until the course is finished, and

then perhaps having to start the antiobiotics again... But try not to worry

if it is taking a long time - from what i have seen, pneumonia is really

nasty and in a whole different league from normal colds and chest

infections. Get well soon and take care,

Helen

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