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In a message dated 3/24/2004 1:21:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Firstwifek@... writes:

This year, in October I got my first ever pneumonia shot.

Hi Kaye, thanks for the encouragement and the information about the after

effects of pneumonia. I am going to get one of those pneumonia shots, don't

want to go through this again. Thanks again, Matt.

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In a message dated 3/24/2004 10:43:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,

wakey81@... writes:

my brother had pneumonia and pleuresy, and needed another course of

antibiotics to finish it off

Thanks Helen, I can attest to the fact that the first bout was bad but

bearable. The second time it came back a few weeks later, the pneumonia was or

is

ten times worse. I coughed so much that nothing came up but blood. I felt

like I was drowning. I think everyone on this list should look into the

pneumonia vaccine which was mentioned be several other members. I am going to

ask for it next fall.

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from Dale, Mom to Katy, CVID, age 19

Sandy, I've never had to deal with pneumonia, so I can't help you

there. But, please don't get discouraged about the IVIG not working.

It takes many years for those lungs to heal from repeated pneumonias.

I'm hoping that the IVIG will help her to respond more quickly with

antibiotics and that it has helped her to build stamina enough that this

one won't set her back too much. Hang in there!

In His service,

Dale

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Macey gets 20 gms every 3 weeks and has had two pneumonias already this winter.

IgA coats the lining of the lungs and since there is no IgA boost in IVIG then

it doesn't seem to help much there. We've never done a sputum specimen with her

pneumonias but do tend to do Vantin or Zithromas, Incentive spirometry (her

pneumonias tend to lead to atelectasis). We do breathing treatments and then a

three day steroid burst. Once we did a steroid shot of Decadron to avoid the

oral burst. Macey has scarring in her right lobe from repeated infection before

diagnosis and off and on infections since. She seems to finally be clear enough

right now to have her PFT's on the 15th. With that, the last lung CT, her

levels and recent history we will then go to the immunologist on the 5th of May

to come up with a new treatment plan for her lungs.

Ursula - Macey's mom (8, CVID)

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Sandy, I just read your post, our prayers go out to you and Riley, we hope she

gets better soon.

mom to , IgA def, asthma, gerd

Pneumonia

Hi,

My 12yo daughter, Riley, had a chest X-ray yesterday because of sudden

exacerbation of asthma/respiratory symptoms with a fever of 102.5.

The X-ray showed a rt upper lobe infiltrate. She also had a throat

culture for Strep done. The pediatrician started her on Zithromax to

cover the pneumonia and/or Strep. This is her fifth confirmed

pneumonia in three years - but her first in a year and her first major

illness since beginning IVIG in October.

I remain hopeful that she will bounce back better than in the past

.... BUT I am wondering what is the criteria that would warrant

culturing sputum BEFORE starting an antibiotic.

She is really sick and had two very rough nights with violent shaking

chills and spiking fever in the middle of the night. I am hoping to

avoid a hospitilization and I am hopeful she will bounce back. But

she got really, really sick, really quickly .... so I want to get my

thoughts together before her next IVIG and talk to the Immunologist

about culturing, etc.

Any thoughts or anyone with similar experiences with some advice??

Thanks.

Sandy (Mom to Riley, age 12, antibody deficiency, IVIG, asthma)

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> The market for acid-suppressive drugs, such as proton pump

> inhibitors or H2-receptor antagonists drugs, is worth more than

> £7bn

> a year.

>

> It is thought the pneumonia risk is associated with the increase in

> stomach bacteria, which is normally killed by the acid.

>

>

Let's not forget that it's all about the money. The more drugs you take, the

sicker you will get, and each new treatment is more expensive than the last.

Somehow these people think that disrupting the very digestion of your food by

killing off the acid, or restricting the acid, is a good thing when it

doesn't even make any sense at all except to make the patient sicker so he will

require more drugs.

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Enbrel definitely increases the infections.. I have had the most random

infections and they of course took forever to go away.. everything from

pneumonia, to stomach flu, to my kidneys bleeding due to a virus that attacked

them..

But Enbrel works and that is what is important, but if Caroline keeps on with

all those infections you maybe should try another med.. My friend was

on Enbrel and they had to take her off because she just kept getting sick..

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alia, well on the positive side at least they know what she has so

that they can treat her... and i know how frusterating not being able

to taper the pred is; but increasing it for now might just help her

to feel better as well as avoid her becomming more ill...

i know; it is not what you want to hear... i wish i had something

that i could say to " make it better " just know we are here!!! keep us

updated on how she is doing ok?? *hugs*

>

> We just got back from the doctor and Caroline has Pneumonia! Ugh.

And right before her

> birthday party!! Her ped put her on Zithromax and said if she gets

tonight's dose and

> tomorrow morning's that she will be able to have her birthday party.

>

> We also spoke with her rhuemy and she has taken her off Enbrel

indefinitely. We are also

> uppeing her Prednisone and holding Methotrexate for one to two

weeks. I guess there

> goes the pred taper!

>

> We go back next week for a re-check. Hopefully it will clear up by

then.

>

> Alia and Caroline, age 2, poly and uveitis

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I was just wondering why they took her off Enbrel, if you don't mind me asking.

Was it not working? I hope she feels better for her birthday party!

Summer-Gabi 7 poly

Alia Pranke <Alia.Pranke@...> wrote:

We just got back from the doctor and Caroline has Pneumonia! Ugh. And right

before her

birthday party!! Her ped put her on Zithromax and said if she gets tonight's

dose and

tomorrow morning's that she will be able to have her birthday party.

We also spoke with her rhuemy and she has taken her off Enbrel indefinitely. We

are also

uppeing her Prednisone and holding Methotrexate for one to two weeks. I guess

there

goes the pred taper!

We go back next week for a re-check. Hopefully it will clear up by then.

Alia and Caroline, age 2, poly and uveitis

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Alia,

I hope Caroline is on the mend quickly and that stopping Enbrel doesn't

cause too many problems for her.

Hugs,

Liz

Pneumonia

We just got back from the doctor and Caroline has Pneumonia! Ugh. And right

before her

birthday party!! Her ped put her on Zithromax and said if she gets tonight's

dose and

tomorrow morning's that she will be able to have her birthday party.

We also spoke with her rhuemy and she has taken her off Enbrel indefinitely.

We are also

uppeing her Prednisone and holding Methotrexate for one to two weeks. I

guess there

goes the pred taper!

We go back next week for a re-check. Hopefully it will clear up by then.

Alia and Caroline, age 2, poly and uveitis

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Summer,

Infections are a really big problem when on the biologics~~ It can be much

more difficult to fight them. So when an infection is present Enbrel is

stopped. Little Caroline has had quite a few infections since starting

Enbrel, so I'm guessing that is why she has been taken off of it

indefinitely.

Liz (- 13- poly)

Re: Pneumonia

I was just wondering why they took her off Enbrel, if you don't mind me

asking. Was it not working? I hope she feels better for her birthday party!

Summer-Gabi 7 poly

Alia Pranke <Alia.Pranke@...> wrote:

We just got back from the doctor and Caroline has Pneumonia! Ugh. And right

before her

birthday party!! Her ped put her on Zithromax and said if she gets tonight's

dose and

tomorrow morning's that she will be able to have her birthday party.

We also spoke with her rhuemy and she has taken her off Enbrel indefinitely.

We are also

uppeing her Prednisone and holding Methotrexate for one to two weeks. I

guess there

goes the pred taper!

We go back next week for a re-check. Hopefully it will clear up by then.

Alia and Caroline, age 2, poly and uveitis

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ooohhhh! I was just wondering! My daughter has been on it for about a year.

liz smith <liz_smith@...> wrote:Summer,

Infections are a really big problem when on the biologics~~ It can be much

more difficult to fight them. So when an infection is present Enbrel is

stopped. Little Caroline has had quite a few infections since starting

Enbrel, so I'm guessing that is why she has been taken off of it

indefinitely.

Liz (- 13- poly)

Re: Pneumonia

I was just wondering why they took her off Enbrel, if you don't mind me

asking. Was it not working? I hope she feels better for her birthday party!

Summer-Gabi 7 poly

Alia Pranke <Alia.Pranke@...> wrote:

We just got back from the doctor and Caroline has Pneumonia! Ugh. And right

before her

birthday party!! Her ped put her on Zithromax and said if she gets tonight's

dose and

tomorrow morning's that she will be able to have her birthday party.

We also spoke with her rhuemy and she has taken her off Enbrel indefinitely.

We are also

uppeing her Prednisone and holding Methotrexate for one to two weeks. I

guess there

goes the pred taper!

We go back next week for a re-check. Hopefully it will clear up by then.

Alia and Caroline, age 2, poly and uveitis

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Alia,

Poor Caroline,to be sick right before her party.I hope she is feeling better

soon and thank goodness for antibiotics.

I guess Cyclosporine will be the next step.

Your in our thoughts and prayers.

Tell Miss C happy birthday from us.

Hugs

Becki and 6systemic

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I am so sorry! There is tons of CRAP going around, and you are not the

first I have heard with pneumonia. Keep her warm and comfortable this

weekend!

and Allie ( 8 poly)

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From: Alia Pranke [mailto:Alia.Pranke@...]

Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:18 PM

Subject: Pneumonia

We just got back from the doctor and Caroline has Pneumonia! Ugh. And

right before her

birthday party!! Her ped put her on Zithromax and said if she gets

tonight's dose and

tomorrow morning's that she will be able to have her birthday party.

We also spoke with her rhuemy and she has taken her off Enbrel

indefinitely. We are also

uppeing her Prednisone and holding Methotrexate for one to two weeks. I

guess there

goes the pred taper!

We go back next week for a re-check. Hopefully it will clear up by then.

Alia and Caroline, age 2, poly and uveitis

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So sorry to hear about Miss C. Hope she got to have the party and that

the Zithromax is kicking in.

and Rob 15 Spondy

On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:17:42 -0000 " Alia Pranke "

<Alia.Pranke@...> writes:

We just got back from the doctor and Caroline has Pneumonia! Ugh. And

right before her

birthday party!! Her ped put her on Zithromax and said if she gets

tonight's dose and

tomorrow morning's that she will be able to have her birthday party.

We also spoke with her rhuemy and she has taken her off Enbrel

indefinitely. We are also

uppeing her Prednisone and holding Methotrexate for one to two weeks. I

guess there

goes the pred taper!

We go back next week for a re-check. Hopefully it will clear up by then.

Alia and Caroline, age 2, poly and uveitis

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Alia,

Geez, what a set back. It's nice that the doc is working with you

so Caroline can turn 3 with celebration. All my kids had their

first real party when they turned 3. How memorable. I hope

Caroline feels well enough to have a blast.

Stacia and Hunter 8 systemic, iritis

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--Alia...

Im a little behind,, but am sorry to ready of carolines Pneumonia..

that suxs and awful timing too... It sure sound slike Enbrel is not

going to be the drug for her :o(((( What the next on list???

I want to be the 1st to wish Miss Caroline a VERY HAPPY 3rd

BIRTHDAY!!!! I hope the zithromax has kicked in by now and shes able

to enjoy her birthday party.

Please give her a birthday hug from Nick and me...

Hugs Helen and (7, systemic)

- In , " Alia Pranke " <Alia.Pranke@t...>

wrote:

>

> We just got back from the doctor and Caroline has Pneumonia! Ugh.

And right before her

> birthday party!! Her ped put her on Zithromax and said if she gets

tonight's dose and

> tomorrow morning's that she will be able to have her birthday

party.

>

> We also spoke with her rhuemy and she has taken her off Enbrel

indefinitely. We are also

> uppeing her Prednisone and holding Methotrexate for one to two

weeks. I guess there

> goes the pred taper!

>

> We go back next week for a re-check. Hopefully it will clear up by

then.

>

> Alia and Caroline, age 2, poly and uveitis

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Re: Pneumonia

--Alia...

Im a little behind,, but am sorry to ready of carolines Pneumonia..

that suxs and awful timing too... It sure sound slike Enbrel is not

going to be the drug for her :o(((( What the next on list???

I want to be the 1st to wish Miss Caroline a VERY HAPPY 3rd

BIRTHDAY!!!! I hope the zithromax has kicked in by now and shes able

to enjoy her birthday party.

Please give her a birthday hug from Nick and me...

Hugs Helen and (7, systemic)

- In , " Alia Pranke " <Alia.Pranke@t...>

wrote:

>

> We just got back from the doctor and Caroline has Pneumonia! Ugh.

And right before her

> birthday party!! Her ped put her on Zithromax and said if she gets

tonight's dose and

> tomorrow morning's that she will be able to have her birthday

party.

>

> We also spoke with her rhuemy and she has taken her off Enbrel

indefinitely. We are also

> uppeing her Prednisone and holding Methotrexate for one to two

weeks. I guess there

> goes the pred taper!

>

> We go back next week for a re-check. Hopefully it will clear up by

then.

>

> Alia and Caroline, age 2, poly and uveitis

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Thanks Helen! It was just so weird. I really didn't think her cold was that

bad. I brought her into her pediatrician because I thought she had a

possible bladder/urine infection. Turns out she didn't, but when he looked

her over he told me she has pneumonia! I was sort of in a state of shock to

say the least. I mean, I was prepared to hear she has strep, or she has an

ear infection. But pneumonia! No way! She seems to be doing better though.

Her cough is getting better. She had a great birthday party on Saturday.

Today is her actual birthday so we sang Happy Birthday to her when she woke

up. She was all smiles!

Yes, Enbrel is out indefinitely. Dr. Akin feels she has just had too many

infections since being on Enbrel. Dr. Akin said she is going to start her on

cyclosporine next time she sees us (Feb 14th). We upped her prednisone once

again (I swear we are NEVER getting off steroids!!) and are also holding the

Methotrexate for a few weeks.

I'm glad to hear Nick's fevers finally broke. That must be a relief! Thanks

for the birthday wishes. I just can't believe that she is 3!!!

Alia and Caroline, age 3, poly and uveitis

Re: Pneumonia

--Alia...

Im a little behind,, but am sorry to ready of carolines Pneumonia..

that suxs and awful timing too... It sure sound slike Enbrel is not

going to be the drug for her :o(((( What the next on list???

I want to be the 1st to wish Miss Caroline a VERY HAPPY 3rd

BIRTHDAY!!!! I hope the zithromax has kicked in by now and shes able

to enjoy her birthday party.

Please give her a birthday hug from Nick and me...

Hugs Helen and (7, systemic)

- In , " Alia Pranke " <Alia.Pranke@t...>

wrote:

>

> We just got back from the doctor and Caroline has Pneumonia! Ugh.

And right before her

> birthday party!! Her ped put her on Zithromax and said if she gets

tonight's dose and

> tomorrow morning's that she will be able to have her birthday

party.

>

> We also spoke with her rhuemy and she has taken her off Enbrel

indefinitely. We are also

> uppeing her Prednisone and holding Methotrexate for one to two

weeks. I guess there

> goes the pred taper!

>

> We go back next week for a re-check. Hopefully it will clear up by

then.

>

> Alia and Caroline, age 2, poly and uveitis

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Thanks . She did have a great " Princess Party " . We'll take her back in

on Friday to make sure she's recovered!

Alia and Caroline, age 3, poly and uveitis

Re: Pneumonia

So sorry to hear about Miss C. Hope she got to have the party and that

the Zithromax is kicking in.

and Rob 15 Spondy

On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:17:42 -0000 " Alia Pranke "

<Alia.Pranke@...> writes:

We just got back from the doctor and Caroline has Pneumonia! Ugh. And

right before her

birthday party!! Her ped put her on Zithromax and said if she gets

tonight's dose and

tomorrow morning's that she will be able to have her birthday party.

We also spoke with her rhuemy and she has taken her off Enbrel

indefinitely. We are also

uppeing her Prednisone and holding Methotrexate for one to two weeks. I

guess there

goes the pred taper!

We go back next week for a re-check. Hopefully it will clear up by then.

Alia and Caroline, age 2, poly and uveitis

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Liz is correct! Caroline has had at least 5 or 6 infections since starting

Enbrel last August. A few too many for her rheumy's comfort level!

Alia and Caroline, age 3 ,poly and uveitis

Re: Pneumonia

I was just wondering why they took her off Enbrel, if you don't mind me

asking. Was it not working? I hope she feels better for her birthday party!

Summer-Gabi 7 poly

Alia Pranke <Alia.Pranke@...> wrote:

We just got back from the doctor and Caroline has Pneumonia! Ugh. And right

before her

birthday party!! Her ped put her on Zithromax and said if she gets tonight's

dose and

tomorrow morning's that she will be able to have her birthday party.

We also spoke with her rhuemy and she has taken her off Enbrel indefinitely.

We are also

uppeing her Prednisone and holding Methotrexate for one to two weeks. I

guess there

goes the pred taper!

We go back next week for a re-check. Hopefully it will clear up by then.

Alia and Caroline, age 2, poly and uveitis

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Glad to hear the party went off well. Happy Birthday to Caroline! Three

is such a great age. Hope she continues to feel better, Michele

Re: Pneumonia

--Alia...

Im a little behind,, but am sorry to ready of carolines Pneumonia..

that suxs and awful timing too... It sure sound slike Enbrel is not

going to be the drug for her :o(((( What the next on list???

I want to be the 1st to wish Miss Caroline a VERY HAPPY 3rd

BIRTHDAY!!!! I hope the zithromax has kicked in by now and shes able

to enjoy her birthday party.

Please give her a birthday hug from Nick and me...

Hugs Helen and (7, systemic)

- In , " Alia Pranke " <Alia.Pranke@t...>

wrote:

>

> We just got back from the doctor and Caroline has Pneumonia! Ugh.

And right before her

> birthday party!! Her ped put her on Zithromax and said if she gets

tonight's dose and

> tomorrow morning's that she will be able to have her birthday

party.

>

> We also spoke with her rhuemy and she has taken her off Enbrel

indefinitely. We are also

> uppeing her Prednisone and holding Methotrexate for one to two

weeks. I guess there

> goes the pred taper!

>

> We go back next week for a re-check. Hopefully it will clear up by

then.

>

> Alia and Caroline, age 2, poly and uveitis

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Thanks Liz. I appreciate your thoughts. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. It

was pretty bad before we started Enbrel and I just can't imagine going back

to that. How's handling Remicade? I am going to ask her rheumy about

Remicade when we see her. Do you know if it has the same immune-suppressant

capabilities that Remicade has??

Alia and Caroline, age 3, poly and uveitis

Pneumonia

We just got back from the doctor and Caroline has Pneumonia! Ugh. And right

before her

birthday party!! Her ped put her on Zithromax and said if she gets tonight's

dose and

tomorrow morning's that she will be able to have her birthday party.

We also spoke with her rhuemy and she has taken her off Enbrel indefinitely.

We are also

uppeing her Prednisone and holding Methotrexate for one to two weeks. I

guess there

goes the pred taper!

We go back next week for a re-check. Hopefully it will clear up by then.

Alia and Caroline, age 2, poly and uveitis

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Thanks . That's what our pedi. said also. It's kind of funny what

happened when I called her rheumy. It took a little while for her to call

back. When she did, she was just frazzled. She said she must have been the

only ped. rheumy on call in the state because she had been on the phone all

day with every clinic, er, dr, office answering questions for all the other

rheumy's! She said she knew Dr. Vehe was gone, but she wasn't expecting all

the others! I guess the up side is that if Dr. Vehe and Dr. Akin aren't

available, hopefully one of the other rheumy's in town will help out!

Alia and Caroline, age 3, poly and uveitis

Pneumonia

We just got back from the doctor and Caroline has Pneumonia! Ugh. And

right before her

birthday party!! Her ped put her on Zithromax and said if she gets

tonight's dose and

tomorrow morning's that she will be able to have her birthday party.

We also spoke with her rhuemy and she has taken her off Enbrel

indefinitely. We are also

uppeing her Prednisone and holding Methotrexate for one to two weeks. I

guess there

goes the pred taper!

We go back next week for a re-check. Hopefully it will clear up by then.

Alia and Caroline, age 2, poly and uveitis

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Hi Alia

Remicade, like Enbrel, does suppress the immune system. Still, it might be

worth trying for Caroline. I think the key is to try to stay ahead of

things. Because of 's lengthy battle with a sinus infection last year

(7 months to get rid of it), I now call the pediatrician the moment things

seem " iffy " . Thankfully the pediatrician agrees that's what I should do and

has his staff squeeze in even if he's booked solid.

is handling the Remicade beautifully! She had her 3rd infusion today

(we just got home a few minutes ago) and had no problems with it. Her rheumy

is thrilled with the way her joints look and, more importantly, with how

feels. He was also quite pleased to see that she has hair growing

again and is going to report the possible alopecia/Enbrel connection to the

FDA.

I hope Caroline had a wonderful birthday!!!

Liz

Pneumonia

We just got back from the doctor and Caroline has Pneumonia! Ugh. And right

before her

birthday party!! Her ped put her on Zithromax and said if she gets tonight's

dose and

tomorrow morning's that she will be able to have her birthday party.

We also spoke with her rhuemy and she has taken her off Enbrel indefinitely.

We are also

uppeing her Prednisone and holding Methotrexate for one to two weeks. I

guess there

goes the pred taper!

We go back next week for a re-check. Hopefully it will clear up by then.

Alia and Caroline, age 2, poly and uveitis

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