Guest guest Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Nancie, It¹s quite premature to say these labs indicate high risk for heart attack or stroke. Cholesterol IS NOT the main marker ‹ I work with a Cardiologist on heart health and CRP and homocystiene are much more accurate for measuring chance of heart disease/incident as is treadmill and imaging. I have high cholesterol since going HypoT and my CRP and homocystine levels have me in LOWER than average risk for heart attack or stroke so Alisia -- Please have at least the CRP done and perhaps a treadmill test but make sure you are fasting for cholesetrol work up. Sue On 12/21/08 1:01 PM, " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@...> wrote: > > > > Alisa- > Were your labs fasting labs? That is did you not eat prior to having the > labs drawn? > Because , if they were fasting labs, there are several problem areas/ or red > flags here. > Your lipids, the triglycerides, cholesterol, HGL and the ratio all indicate > that you are at high risk for having a heart attack or stroke. > The glucose is also a concern and indicates that you need to be screened for > diabetes. As well does your Hemaglobin A1C. > It also looks like your body is binding your iron up which makes it > unavailable for use so you become anemic. Which is conformed with your CBC > results. You are anemic. > Your thyroid labs show that you are hypothyroidism. You need to get some > more labs. You need a thyroid antibody test, a reverse T3 test and a free T3 > test. > What thyroid med are you on? > Nancie > Family nurse practitioner. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 I am a NP, so I am quite qualified to make that statement. I have 2 masters degrees- one of them is family medicine with an emphasis with CAM. The other is Neuro-psychiatric medicine. Her numbers indicated that she COULD BE at HIGH risk for atherscelorosis, which is fatty lipid deposits that harden in the arteries, namely the coronary arteries and the cerebral arteries and put a person at high risk for a MI or stroke. I did ask her if they were fasting labs, because if they were then those numbers would be Red flags. Her 2nd post told me that they were not fasting labs, she had eaten right before- a peanut butter related snack- so I then told her that she should repeat the labs, to see if her labs were really elevated or if was from her snack. I did NOT say they were the only factors involved but they have definitely are associated with an increased risk. Ask you cardiologist. There is not any provider out there whether they are western med or natural medicine that would be happy with those numbers if they were fasting labs. And Cholesterol is ONE of them! So is LDL, VLDL and HDL and triglycerides. They ALL matter. I Never said that they indicated , I said IF it was. -- Re: Lab Results Nancie, It¹s quite premature to say these labs indicate high risk for heart attack or stroke. Cholesterol IS NOT the main marker ‹ I work with a Cardiologist on heart health and CRP and homocystiene are much more accurate for measuring chance of heart disease/incident as is treadmill and imaging. I have high cholesterol since going HypoT and my CRP and homocystine levels have me in LOWER than average risk for heart attack or stroke so Alisia -- Please have at least the CRP done and perhaps a treadmill test but make sure you are fasting for cholesetrol work up. Sue On 12/21/08 1:01 PM, " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@...> wrote: > > > > Alisa- > Were your labs fasting labs? That is did you not eat prior to having the > labs drawn? > Because , if they were fasting labs, there are several problem areas/ or red > flags here. > Your lipids, the triglycerides, cholesterol, HGL and the ratio all indicate > that you are at high risk for having a heart attack or stroke. > The glucose is also a concern and indicates that you need to be screened for > diabetes. As well does your Hemaglobin A1C. > It also looks like your body is binding your iron up which makes it > unavailable for use so you become anemic. Which is conformed with your CBC > results. You are anemic. > Your thyroid labs show that you are hypothyroidism. You need to get some > more labs. You need a thyroid antibody test, a reverse T3 test and a free T3 > test. > What thyroid med are you on? > Nancie > Family nurse practitioner. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Nancie, why do we fast for these tests. It seems to me that by fasting, we present a false indication of of " usual " state of being . It would seem more natural to have eaten whatever we normally would eat when tested. Just curious. mse On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Nancie Barnett < deifspirit@...> wrote: > I am a NP, so I am quite qualified to make that statement. I have 2 > masters > degrees- one of them is family medicine with an emphasis with CAM. The > other > is Neuro-psychiatric medicine. > Her numbers indicated that she COULD BE at HIGH risk for atherscelorosis, > which is fatty lipid deposits that harden in the arteries, namely the > coronary arteries and the cerebral arteries and put a person at high risk > for a MI or stroke. I did ask her if they were fasting labs, because if > they > were then those numbers would be Red flags. Her 2nd post told me that they > were not fasting labs, she had eaten right before- a peanut butter related > snack- so I then told her that she should repeat the labs, to see if her > labs were really elevated or if was from her snack. > I did NOT say they were the only factors involved but they have definitely > are associated with an increased risk. Ask you cardiologist. There is not > any provider out there whether they are western med or natural medicine > that > would be happy with those numbers if they were fasting labs. > And Cholesterol is ONE of them! So is LDL, VLDL and HDL and triglycerides. > They ALL matter. > I Never said that they indicated , I said IF it was. > > -- Re: Lab Results > > Nancie, > It¹s quite premature to say these labs indicate high risk for heart attack > or stroke. > Cholesterol IS NOT the main marker ‹ I work with a Cardiologist on heart > health and > CRP and homocystiene are much more accurate > for measuring chance of heart disease/incident as is treadmill and imaging. > I have high cholesterol since going HypoT and my CRP and homocystine > levels have me in LOWER than average risk for heart attack or stroke so > Alisia -- > Please have at least the CRP done and perhaps a treadmill test but make > sure > you are fasting for cholesetrol work up. > Sue > > On 12/21/08 1:01 PM, " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Alisa- > > Were your labs fasting labs? That is did you not eat prior to having the > > labs drawn? > > Because , if they were fasting labs, there are several problem areas/ or > red > > flags here. > > Your lipids, the triglycerides, cholesterol, HGL and the ratio all > indicate > > that you are at high risk for having a heart attack or stroke. > > The glucose is also a concern and indicates that you need to be screened > for > > diabetes. As well does your Hemaglobin A1C. > > It also looks like your body is binding your iron up which makes it > > unavailable for use so you become anemic. Which is conformed with your > CBC > > results. You are anemic. > > Your thyroid labs show that you are hypothyroidism. You need to get some > > more labs. You need a thyroid antibody test, a reverse T3 test and a free > T3 > > test. > > What thyroid med are you on? > > Nancie > > Family nurse practitioner. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Hello Everyone, I Please stop fighting. I did have a second set of labs completed and I did fast. My Triglycerides were 254, Cholesterol was 266, HDL-cholesterol was 48 and LDL cholesterol was 167. My CDC/HDLC ration was 5.5 For the record, I do have a family history of heart disease and my father had a triple by-pass and my 39 year-old brother passed away for a pulmonary thrombosis exacerabeted by atherosclerosis. I know I have to be careful., I am 40. I think part of the problem is that my doctor prescribed 200 mg of Seroquel (a neuroleptic) for insomnia and I gained 85 pounds in 2 years. I tried to stop taking it but I couldn't sleep and thus I was unable to function. For this lab, my total iron was within normal range (42), but my iron binding capacity was 467 and % saturation was 9. I'm not exactly sure what this may indicate. This time my TSH was 13,47 and my T-3 uptake was 26(normal) and T-4, free was 1.1 (also normal). I'm now wondering if this could actually be a pituitary problem. Why would the T-3 and T-4 labs be in the normal range and TSH still be high? Although, this is better then the 60.67 it was previously. Can anyone tell me if there are any lab tests that could reveal an abnormal pituitary gland? Thanks for the advice. Best, Alisa > > > > Alisa- > Were your labs fasting labs? That is did you not eat prior to having the > labs drawn? > Because , if they were fasting labs, there are several problem areas/ or red > flags here. > Your lipids, the triglycerides, cholesterol, HGL and the ratio all indicate > that you are at high risk for having a heart attack or stroke. > The glucose is also a concern and indicates that you need to be screened for > diabetes. As well does your Hemaglobin A1C. > It also looks like your body is binding your iron up which makes it > unavailable for use so you become anemic. Which is conformed with your CBC > results. You are anemic. > Your thyroid labs show that you are hypothyroidism. You need to get some > more labs. You need a thyroid antibody test, a reverse T3 test and a free T3 > test. > What thyroid med are you on? > Nancie > Family nurse practitioner. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Alisa if you read the work of Broda MD you will see that all these health probs are related to poorly treated hypothyroidism. http://www.brodabarnes.org instead of " being careful " I would just get proper treatment. IMO this means getting ENOUGH Armour thyroid, iodine/iodide, and low dose cortisol. conventional docs know nothing about these things though. http://www.optimox.com Gracia Hello Everyone, I Please stop fighting. I did have a second set of labs completed and I did fast. My Triglycerides were 254, Cholesterol was 266, HDL-cholesterol was 48 and LDL cholesterol was 167. My CDC/HDLC ration was 5.5 For the record, I do have a family history of heart disease and my father had a triple by-pass and my 39 year-old brother passed away for a pulmonary thrombosis exacerabeted by atherosclerosis. I know I have to be careful., I am 40. I think part of the problem is that my doctor prescribed 200 mg of Seroquel (a neuroleptic) for insomnia and I gained 85 pounds in 2 years. I tried to stop taking it but I couldn't sleep and thus I was unable to function. For this lab, my total iron was within normal range (42), but my iron binding capacity was 467 and % saturation was 9. I'm not exactly sure what this may indicate. This time my TSH was 13,47 and my T-3 uptake was 26(normal) and T-4, free was 1.1 (also normal). I'm now wondering if this could actually be a pituitary problem. Why would the T-3 and T-4 labs be in the normal range and TSH still be high? Although, this is better then the 60.67 it was previously. Can anyone tell me if there are any lab tests that could reveal an abnormal pituitary gland? Thanks for the advice. Best, Alisa > > > > Alisa- > Were your labs fasting labs? That is did you not eat prior to having the > labs drawn? > Because , if they were fasting labs, there are several problem areas/ or red > flags here. > Your lipids, the triglycerides, cholesterol, HGL and the ratio all indicate > that you are at high risk for having a heart attack or stroke. > The glucose is also a concern and indicates that you need to be screened for > diabetes. As well does your Hemaglobin A1C. > It also looks like your body is binding your iron up which makes it > unavailable for use so you become anemic. Which is conformed with your CBC > results. You are anemic. > Your thyroid labs show that you are hypothyroidism. You need to get some > more labs. You need a thyroid antibody test, a reverse T3 test and a free T3 > test. > What thyroid med are you on? > Nancie > Family nurse practitioner. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 This is exactly what you told her: ³Your lipids, the triglycerides, cholesterol, HGL and the ratio all indicate that you are at high risk for having a heart attack or stroke. ³ ----------------------- And it¹s simply not true. There are so many other factors that contribute to heart attack or stroke. Sorry, but¹ it¹s just the plain truth. I know a lot about this and work very closely with a cardiologist on this as most my family has died from heart attack and strokes. Sue ------ Forwarded Message > From: Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> > Reply-<hypothyroidism > > Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 03:16:40 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) > <hypothyroidism > > Subject: Re: Lab Results > I am a NP, so I am quite qualified to make that statement. I have 2 masters degrees- one of them is family medicine with an emphasis with CAM. The other is Neuro-psychiatric medicine. Her numbers indicated that she COULD BE at HIGH risk for atherscelorosis, which is fatty lipid deposits that harden in the arteries, namely the coronary arteries and the cerebral arteries and put a person at high risk for a MI or stroke. I did ask her if they were fasting labs, because if they were then those numbers would be Red flags. Her 2nd post told me that they were not fasting labs, she had eaten right before- a peanut butter related snack- so I then told her that she should repeat the labs, to see if her labs were really elevated or if was from her snack. I did NOT say they were the only factors involved but they have definitely are associated with an increased risk. Ask you cardiologist. There is not any provider out there whether they are western med or natural medicine that would be happy with those numbers if they were fasting labs. And Cholesterol is ONE of them! So is LDL, VLDL and HDL and triglycerides. They ALL matter. I Never said that they indicated , I said IF it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 HI Alisa, It's not fighting. It's just that NO ONE here should give the impression they are operating as a practioner and give advice or Dx to anyone. We are here to help, share and learn. I also have a brother who died early from heart attack but he was overweight, high blood pressure, and an alcoholic. There are tests for the pituitary gland, one of which is the ACTH test. Here's a link about the pituitary tests. http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/conditions/pituitary-2.html sue On 12/28/08 3:15 PM, " Alisa " <lewisalisa@...> wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I > Please stop fighting. I did have a second set of labs completed and I did > fast. My Triglycerides were 254, Cholesterol was 266, HDL-cholesterol was 48 > and LDL cholesterol was 167. My CDC/HDLC ration was 5.5 > > For the record, I do have a family history of heart disease and my father had > a triple by-pass and my 39 year-old brother passed away for a pulmonary > thrombosis exacerabeted by atherosclerosis. I know I have to be careful., I > am 40. I think part of the problem is that my doctor prescribed 200 mg of > Seroquel (a neuroleptic) for insomnia and I gained 85 pounds in 2 years. I > tried to stop taking it but I couldn't sleep and thus I was unable to > function. > > For this lab, my total iron was within normal range (42), but my iron binding > capacity was 467 and % saturation was 9. I'm not exactly sure what this may > indicate. This time my TSH was 13,47 and my T-3 uptake was 26(normal) and T-4, > free was 1.1 (also normal). I'm now wondering if this could actually be a > pituitary problem. Why would the T-3 and T-4 labs be in the normal range and > TSH still be high? Although, this is better then the 60.67 it was previously. > > Can anyone tell me if there are any lab tests that could reveal an abnormal > pituitary gland? > > Thanks for the advice. > > Best, > Alisa > > > >> >> >> >> Alisa- >> Were your labs fasting labs? That is did you not eat prior to having the >> labs drawn? >> Because , if they were fasting labs, there are several problem areas/ or > red >> flags here. >> Your lipids, the triglycerides, cholesterol, HGL and the ratio all > indicate >> that you are at high risk for having a heart attack or stroke. >> The glucose is also a concern and indicates that you need to be screened > for >> diabetes. As well does your Hemaglobin A1C. >> It also looks like your body is binding your iron up which makes it >> unavailable for use so you become anemic. Which is conformed with your CBC >> results. You are anemic. >> Your thyroid labs show that you are hypothyroidism. You need to get some >> more labs. You need a thyroid antibody test, a reverse T3 test and a free > T3 >> test. >> What thyroid med are you on? >> Nancie >> Family nurse practitioner. >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 At the very least, fasting produces consistency from test to test. People eat a wide range of " stuff " and they almost never report accurately what they have eaten and how much. Steve MSE wrote: > Nancie, why do we fast for these tests. It seems to me that by fasting, we > present a false indication of of " usual " state of being . It would seem > more natural to have eaten whatever we normally would eat when tested. > Just curious. > > mse -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 One person's " fighting " is another's discussion, clarity, or appropriate response. The words " idiot " and " Hitler " didn't come so it all looks ok to me. Alisa wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I > Please stop fighting. I did have a second set of labs completed and I did fast. My Triglycerides were 254, Cholesterol was 266, HDL-cholesterol was 48 and LDL cholesterol was 167. My CDC/HDLC ration was 5.5 > > For the record, I do have a family history of heart disease and my father had a triple by-pass and my 39 year-old brother passed away for a pulmonary thrombosis exacerabeted by atherosclerosis. I know I have to be careful., I am 40. I think part of the problem is that my doctor prescribed 200 mg of Seroquel (a neuroleptic) for insomnia and I gained 85 pounds in 2 years. I tried to stop taking it but I couldn't sleep and thus I was unable to function. > > For this lab, my total iron was within normal range (42), but my iron binding capacity was 467 and % saturation was 9. I'm not exactly sure what this may indicate. This time my TSH was 13,47 and my T-3 uptake was 26(normal) and T-4, free was 1.1 (also normal). I'm now wondering if this could actually be a pituitary problem. Why would the T-3 and T-4 labs be in the normal range and TSH still be high? Although, this is better then the 60.67 it was previously. > > Can anyone tell me if there are any lab tests that could reveal an abnormal pituitary gland? > > Thanks for the advice. > > Best, > Alisa -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Hi Gracia Thanks for the info. I will check out these sites. Alisa > > > > Alisa- > Were your labs fasting labs? That is did you not eat prior to having the > labs drawn? > Because , if they were fasting labs, there are several problem areas/ or red > flags here. > Your lipids, the triglycerides, cholesterol, HGL and the ratio all indicate > that you are at high risk for having a heart attack or stroke. > The glucose is also a concern and indicates that you need to be screened for > diabetes. As well does your Hemaglobin A1C. > It also looks like your body is binding your iron up which makes it > unavailable for use so you become anemic. Which is conformed with your CBC > results. You are anemic. > Your thyroid labs show that you are hypothyroidism. You need to get some > more labs. You need a thyroid antibody test, a reverse T3 test and a free T3 > test. > What thyroid med are you on? > Nancie > Family nurse practitioner. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 ???? horsepuckey. you are not the 'net nanny. there is more experience and knowledge here than 99% of the endos have. your brother " caused " his premature death by being a pig, overeating and allowing himself to be addicted to alcohol? or was he a victim of poor medical care and lack of thyroid/adrenal treatment? notice I didn't mention idiot and Hitler even if I wanted to. Gracia HI Alisa, It's not fighting. It's just that NO ONE here should give the impression they are operating as a practioner and give advice or Dx to anyone. We are here to help, share and learn. I also have a brother who died early from heart attack but he was overweight, high blood pressure, and an alcoholic. There are tests for the pituitary gland, one of which is the ACTH test. Here's a link about the pituitary tests. http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/conditions/pituitary-2.html sue Recent Activity a.. 2New Members Visit Your Group Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Biz Resources Y! Small Business Articles, tools, forms, and more. Group Charity Citizen Schools Best after school program in the US . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1867 - Release Date: 12/28/2008 2:23 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Go have a shot of iodine. I am the one who stated the cause of my brother¹s death- so your cruel ³recap² was just a vicious dig. And thanks for the condolences you sweet thing you. On 12/28/08 11:26 PM, " Gracia " <circe@...> wrote: > > > > > ???? > horsepuckey. you are not the 'net nanny. there is more experience and > knowledge here than 99% of the endos have. > your brother " caused " his premature death by being a pig, overeating and > allowing himself to be addicted to alcohol? or was he a victim of poor > medical care and lack of thyroid/adrenal treatment? > notice I didn't mention idiot and Hitler even if I wanted to. > Gracia > > HI Alisa, > It's not fighting. It's just that NO ONE here should give the impression > they are operating as a practioner and give advice or Dx to anyone. > > We are here to help, share and learn. > > I also have a brother who died early from heart attack but he was > overweight, high blood pressure, and an alcoholic. > > There are tests for the pituitary gland, one of which is the ACTH test. > > Here's a link about the pituitary tests. > > http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/conditions/pituitary-2.html > > sue > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 I'm not Nancie [or a medical professional] but I understand that certain indicators ramp up or " spike " after eating, and then drop back to " normal " levels. And the normal levels are more dependable for some tests at least. Regards, .. .. PS: HAPPY NEW YEARS EVERYONE!!! > > Posted by: " MSE " knockneed@... > <mailto:knockneed@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Lab%20Results> > knockneed <knockneed> > > > Sun Dec 28, 2008 1:09 pm (PST) > > Nancie, why do we fast for these tests. It seems to me that by fasting, we > present a false indication of of " usual " state of being . It would seem > more natural to have eaten whatever we normally would eat when tested. > Just curious. > > mse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Sue, you seem to have missed the first part of her post, which qualified her statements: .. .. > > Alisa- > > Were your labs fasting labs? That is did you not eat prior to having > the > > labs drawn? > > Because , if they were fasting labs, there are several problem areas/ or > red > > flags here. > > Your lipids, the triglycerides, cholesterol, HGL and the ratio all > indicate > > that you are at high risk for having a heart attack or stroke. .. .. So you can see she made a _qualified_ statement; not an absolute one. Your reply indicates she made an absolute statement, which is just not the case. By leaving off the qualifying part of her statement it changes the meaning. I'm sure she knows there are or can be many contributing factors to a heart attack or stroke; as you do. .. .. > > > Posted by: " JustYourType.biz " sue@... > <mailto:sue@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Lab%20Results> > jesse11111111111 <jesse11111111111> > > > Sun Dec 28, 2008 5:41 pm (PST) > > This is exactly what you told her: > ³Your lipids, the triglycerides, cholesterol, HGL and the ratio all > indicate > that you are at high risk for having a heart attack or stroke. ³ > ------------ > ----------- > And it¹s simply not true. > > There are so many other factors that contribute to heart attack or stroke. > > Sorry, but¹ it¹s just the plain truth. > > I know a lot about this and work very closely with a cardiologist > on this as most my family has died from heart attack and strokes. > > Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Food effect levels of certain labs such as the lipids and glucose, so when she ate that peanut butter snack and any meal before it - the snack contained loads of fats and maybe the prior meal of the day, which falsely elevate the lipid levels so it looks like there are red flags when they are not. Same with sugar. We want fasting labs, so we can see the true state of how your body is handling the fats or sugar that gets introduced into your body. If her fasting labs are normal, then she is ok, but if they were to show similar levels, we would be alarmed. Nancie -- Re: Lab Results I'm not Nancie [or a medical professional] but I understand that certain indicators ramp up or " spike " after eating, and then drop back to " normal " levels. And the normal levels are more dependable for some tests at least. Regards, .. .. PS: HAPPY NEW YEARS EVERYONE!!! > > Posted by: " MSE " knockneed@... > <mailto:knockneed@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Lab%20Results> > knockneed <knockneed> > > > Sun Dec 28, 2008 1:09 pm (PST) > > Nancie, why do we fast for these tests. It seems to me that by fasting, we > present a false indication of of " usual " state of being . It would seem > more natural to have eaten whatever we normally would eat when tested. > Just curious. > > mse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Sue- I am correct and I stand by my statements. Elevated lipid levels contribute significantly to heart disease and stroke. They cause atherscelorosis which causes over time a chronic inflammatory response in the arterial walls leading to plaque formation and the aggregation/clumping of platelets in your blood. This can lead to a blockage in the coronary arteries and cerebral arteries that triggers the release of homosistein and CK and prostaglandins and other neuro endocrine chemicals that maintain and sustain the chronic inflammatory response. This chronic inflammatory response that is going on in the walls of both the coronary and cerebral arterial walls can lead to a complete blockage of blood flow or a clot breaking off and traveling elsewhere to cause a stoppage that can lead to a MI or a stroke. Go ask your cardiologist. I am sure he put in simple terms for you since you are not a medical professional. Ask him why he has his patients on lipitor and other cholesterol lowering agents. Why do you think that is? These agents lower the lipid levels so they take a significant risk factor out of the equation. Ask him why he thinks exercise is so important. Why it helps raise the HDL levels that can help lower the risk ratio of HDL?LDL that points to increased risks? Better yet, why don't you ask the primary providers these questions or tell them that their patients should not be worried about their fat intake because it doesn't contribute to heart disease and stroke? I would be really interested in their response to you. Why is these subjects are in every medical conference that I attend?? I was taught by master cardiologists at UCLA. I think they know their stuff better than you do. Nancie -- Re: Lab Results Sue, you seem to have missed the first part of her post, which qualified her statements: .. .. > > Alisa- > > Were your labs fasting labs? That is did you not eat prior to having > the > > labs drawn? > > Because , if they were fasting labs, there are several problem areas/ or > red > > flags here. > > Your lipids, the triglycerides, cholesterol, HGL and the ratio all > indicate > > that you are at high risk for having a heart attack or stroke. .. .. So you can see she made a _qualified_ statement; not an absolute one. Your reply indicates she made an absolute statement, which is just not the case. By leaving off the qualifying part of her statement it changes the meaning. I'm sure she knows there are or can be many contributing factors to a heart attack or stroke; as you do. .. .. > > > Posted by: " JustYourType.biz " sue@... > <mailto:sue@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Lab%20Results> > jesse11111111111 <jesse11111111111> > > > Sun Dec 28, 2008 5:41 pm (PST) > > This is exactly what you told her: > ³Your lipids, the triglycerides, cholesterol, HGL and the ratio all > indicate > that you are at high risk for having a heart attack or stroke. ³ > ------------ > ----------- > And it¹s simply not true. > > There are so many other factors that contribute to heart attack or stroke. > > Sorry, but¹ it¹s just the plain truth. > > I know a lot about this and work very closely with a cardiologist > on this as most my family has died from heart attack and strokes. > > Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 sue- I am a NP . you are not. I have the qualifications , you do not. end of story. -- Re: Lab Results HI Alisa, It's not fighting. It's just that NO ONE here should give the impression they are operating as a practioner and give advice or Dx to anyone. We are here to help, share and learn. I also have a brother who died early from heart attack but he was overweight, high blood pressure, and an alcoholic. There are tests for the pituitary gland, one of which is the ACTH test. Here's a link about the pituitary tests. http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/conditions/pituitary-2.html sue On 12/28/08 3:15 PM, " Alisa " <lewisalisa@...> wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I > Please stop fighting. I did have a second set of labs completed and I did > fast. My Triglycerides were 254, Cholesterol was 266, HDL-cholesterol was 48 > and LDL cholesterol was 167. My CDC/HDLC ration was 5.5 > > For the record, I do have a family history of heart disease and my father had > a triple by-pass and my 39 year-old brother passed away for a pulmonary > thrombosis exacerabeted by atherosclerosis. I know I have to be careful., I > am 40. I think part of the problem is that my doctor prescribed 200 mg of > Seroquel (a neuroleptic) for insomnia and I gained 85 pounds in 2 years. I > tried to stop taking it but I couldn't sleep and thus I was unable to > function. > > For this lab, my total iron was within normal range (42), but my iron binding > capacity was 467 and % saturation was 9. I'm not exactly sure what this may > indicate. This time my TSH was 13,47 and my T-3 uptake was 26(normal) and T-4, > free was 1.1 (also normal). I'm now wondering if this could actually be a > pituitary problem. Why would the T-3 and T-4 labs be in the normal range and > TSH still be high? Although, this is better then the 60.67 it was previously. > > Can anyone tell me if there are any lab tests that could reveal an abnormal > pituitary gland? > > Thanks for the advice. > > Best, > Alisa > > > >> >> >> >> Alisa- >> Were your labs fasting labs? That is did you not eat prior to having the >> labs drawn? >> Because , if they were fasting labs, there are several problem areas/ or > red >> flags here. >> Your lipids, the triglycerides, cholesterol, HGL and the ratio all > indicate >> that you are at high risk for having a heart attack or stroke. >> The glucose is also a concern and indicates that you need to be screened > for >> diabetes. As well does your Hemaglobin A1C. >> It also looks like your body is binding your iron up which makes it >> unavailable for use so you become anemic. Which is conformed with your CBC >> results. You are anemic. >> Your thyroid labs show that you are hypothyroidism. You need to get some >> more labs. You need a thyroid antibody test, a reverse T3 test and a free > T3 >> test. >> What thyroid med are you on? >> Nancie >> Family nurse practitioner. >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 plus, i was not diagnosing her. i told her she could be at high risk for having these problems. It is a fact that elevated lipid levels contribute SIGNIFICANTLY to an INCREASED risk of a MI or stroke. Those are facts that you can't erase away. Patients who come in to see me with those numbers are placed on a low fat diet for we work on diet and exercise programs. I send them to a nutritionist and I test them for thyroid problems and I run a cardiac lab profile. I may send them for exercise stress testing. They are told to start eating oatmeal and more oats in their diet. They are placed on omega 3 fish oils. They are sent to a natural medicine provider. We monitor their labs at every 6 week intervals. We take those numbers seriously. This list is about giving advice and for helping people with issues that they may not be getting help elsewhere. If someone posts results like that I am not going to sit back and say nothing. To say nothing is to potentially cause her harm. Maybe you can do that, but I can't. Nancie -- Re: Lab Results HI Alisa, It's not fighting. It's just that NO ONE here should give the impression they are operating as a practioner and give advice or Dx to anyone. We are here to help, share and learn. I also have a brother who died early from heart attack but he was overweight, high blood pressure, and an alcoholic. There are tests for the pituitary gland, one of which is the ACTH test. Here's a link about the pituitary tests. http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/conditions/pituitary-2.html sue On 12/28/08 3:15 PM, " Alisa " <lewisalisa@...> wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I > Please stop fighting. I did have a second set of labs completed and I did > fast. My Triglycerides were 254, Cholesterol was 266, HDL-cholesterol was 48 > and LDL cholesterol was 167. My CDC/HDLC ration was 5.5 > > For the record, I do have a family history of heart disease and my father had > a triple by-pass and my 39 year-old brother passed away for a pulmonary > thrombosis exacerabeted by atherosclerosis. I know I have to be careful., I > am 40. I think part of the problem is that my doctor prescribed 200 mg of > Seroquel (a neuroleptic) for insomnia and I gained 85 pounds in 2 years. I > tried to stop taking it but I couldn't sleep and thus I was unable to > function. > > For this lab, my total iron was within normal range (42), but my iron binding > capacity was 467 and % saturation was 9. I'm not exactly sure what this may > indicate. This time my TSH was 13,47 and my T-3 uptake was 26(normal) and T-4, > free was 1.1 (also normal). I'm now wondering if this could actually be a > pituitary problem. Why would the T-3 and T-4 labs be in the normal range and > TSH still be high? Although, this is better then the 60.67 it was previously. > > Can anyone tell me if there are any lab tests that could reveal an abnormal > pituitary gland? > > Thanks for the advice. > > Best, > Alisa > > > >> >> >> >> Alisa- >> Were your labs fasting labs? That is did you not eat prior to having the >> labs drawn? >> Because , if they were fasting labs, there are several problem areas/ or > red >> flags here. >> Your lipids, the triglycerides, cholesterol, HGL and the ratio all > indicate >> that you are at high risk for having a heart attack or stroke. >> The glucose is also a concern and indicates that you need to be screened > for >> diabetes. As well does your Hemaglobin A1C. >> It also looks like your body is binding your iron up which makes it >> unavailable for use so you become anemic. Which is conformed with your CBC >> results. You are anemic. >> Your thyroid labs show that you are hypothyroidism. You need to get some >> more labs. You need a thyroid antibody test, a reverse T3 test and a free > T3 >> test. >> What thyroid med are you on? >> Nancie >> Family nurse practitioner. >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Sorry Nancie but the picture is MUCH bigger. I have been researching heart disease since the early 70s. I have high cholesterol and am in a LOWER THAN AVERAGE RISK for heart disease. I have low CRP and homocystiene, I work out and I eat healthy. I work on my stress levels. Giving people a pill to lower cholesterol is a false security blanket that actually does more harm than good when not used with a full heart health program. Telling someone you don't know, interpreting their labs and informing them they are high risk for a heart attack is just nonsense. And I won't argue this with you. Some just reject logic and I accept that. Be at peace with your experience. Sue On 12/29/08 2:07 PM, " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@...> wrote: > Sue- > > I am correct and I stand by my statements. Elevated lipid levels contribute > significantly to heart disease and stroke. They cause atherscelorosis which > causes over time a chronic inflammatory response in the arterial walls > leading to plaque formation and the aggregation/clumping of platelets in > your blood. This can lead to a blockage in the coronary arteries and > cerebral arteries that triggers the release of homosistein and CK and > prostaglandins and other neuro endocrine chemicals that maintain and sustain > the chronic inflammatory response. This chronic inflammatory response that > is going on in the walls of both the coronary and cerebral arterial walls > can lead to a complete blockage of blood flow or a clot breaking off and > traveling elsewhere to cause a stoppage that can lead to a MI or a stroke. > > Go ask your cardiologist. I am sure he put in simple terms for you since you > are not a medical professional. Ask him why he has his patients on lipitor > and other cholesterol lowering agents. Why do you think that is? These > agents lower the lipid levels so they take a significant risk factor out of > the equation. Ask him why he thinks exercise is so important. Why it helps > raise the HDL levels that can help lower the risk ratio of HDL?LDL that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 That's truly funny. You are not qualified to practice medicine over the internet to people who are not your patients. Thank God doctors and other organizations are aware of people who are doing this and are starting to do something about it. There's a record of all of this and I have been informed by more than one source that there are plans to take action against those practicing medicine illegally. So you carry on but don't push your generalities on me. I happen to have doctors I do like and trust -- it took me 20 years to find them and a lot of research, time and money but it was worth it. Sue On 12/29/08 2:40 PM, " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@...> wrote: > sue- > > I am a NP . you are not. I have the qualifications , you do not. end of > story. > > > > -- Re: Lab Results > > > > HI Alisa, > > It's not fighting. It's just that NO ONE here should give the impression > > they are operating as a practioner and give advice or Dx to anyone. > > > > We are here to help, share and learn. > > > > I also have a brother who died early from heart attack but he was > > overweight, high blood pressure, and an alcoholic. > > > > There are tests for the pituitary gland, one of which is the ACTH test. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 She¹s not your patient and you are not a doctor. End of story. On 12/29/08 2:54 PM, " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@...> wrote: > > > > plus, i was not diagnosing her. i told her she could be at high risk for > having these problems. It is a fact that elevated lipid levels contribute > SIGNIFICANTLY to an INCREASED risk of a MI or stroke. Those are facts that > you can't erase away. Patients who come in to see me with those numbers are > placed on a low fat diet for we work on diet and exercise programs. I send > them to a nutritionist and I test them for thyroid problems and I run a > cardiac lab profile. I may send them for exercise stress testing. They are > told to start eating oatmeal and more oats in their diet. They are placed on > omega 3 fish oils. They are sent to a natural medicine provider. We monitor > their labs at every 6 week intervals. We take those numbers seriously. > This list is about giving advice and for helping people with issues that > they may not be getting help elsewhere. If someone posts results like that I > am not going to sit back and say nothing. To say nothing is to potentially > cause her harm. Maybe you can do that, but I can't. > Nancie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 I am the one who stated the cause of my brother¹s death- so your cruel ³recap² was just a vicious dig. I could never in my life imagine calling a deceased sibling of someone on this board a pig. You are atrocious beyond belief. Go have a shot of iodine. On 12/28/08 11:26 PM, " Gracia " <circe@...> wrote: > > > > > ???? > horsepuckey. you are not the 'net nanny. there is more experience and > knowledge here than 99% of the endos have. > your brother " caused " his premature death by being a pig, overeating and > allowing himself to be addicted to alcohol? or was he a victim of poor > medical care and lack of thyroid/adrenal treatment? > notice I didn't mention idiot and Hitler even if I wanted to. > Gracia > > HI Alisa, > It's not fighting. It's just that NO ONE here should give the impression > they are operating as a practioner and give advice or Dx to anyone. > > We are here to help, share and learn. > > I also have a brother who died early from heart attack but he was > overweight, high blood pressure, and an alcoholic. > > There are tests for the pituitary gland, one of which is the ACTH test. > > Here's a link about the pituitary tests. > > http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/conditions/pituitary-2.html > > sue > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 I am a NP, which is the same level as a physician. I can do the same things as a MD. I practice autonomously from a MD. End of story. It does not matter if she is my patient or not, sue. You seem to miss the point here. This list is for helping people, she asked for help. I gave it to her. She asked for direction on her labs values and I gave it to her. -- Re: Lab Results She¹s not your patient and you are not a doctor. End of story. On 12/29/08 2:54 PM, " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@...> wrote: > > > > plus, i was not diagnosing her. i told her she could be at high risk for > having these problems. It is a fact that elevated lipid levels contribute > SIGNIFICANTLY to an INCREASED risk of a MI or stroke. Those are facts that > you can't erase away. Patients who come in to see me with those numbers are > placed on a low fat diet for we work on diet and exercise programs. I send > them to a nutritionist and I test them for thyroid problems and I run a > cardiac lab profile. I may send them for exercise stress testing. They are > told to start eating oatmeal and more oats in their diet. They are placed on > omega 3 fish oils. They are sent to a natural medicine provider. We monitor > their labs at every 6 week intervals. We take those numbers seriously. > This list is about giving advice and for helping people with issues that > they may not be getting help elsewhere. If someone posts results like that I > am not going to sit back and say nothing. To say nothing is to potentially > cause her harm. Maybe you can do that, but I can't. > Nancie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 I am not practicing medicine illegally, I have a NP license and I am covered I am licensed to prescribe meds and order any tests I want. I don't have to monitored at all by any MD. I work in collaboration with MD's and other providers. I gave her advice, which is legal on the Internet. She has very high levels of lipids. That is a concern. She needs to be followed for that. Those elevated levels are a contributing factor in both heart disease and stroke. Than is a fact. you are the one who is NOT qualified to make any judgement regardless of whether you work for a cardiologist or not. I wonder what your cardiologist would think if he/she knew you were giving unqualified medical info on the internet. -- Re: Lab Results > > > > HI Alisa, > > It's not fighting. It's just that NO ONE here should give the impression > > they are operating as a practioner and give advice or Dx to anyone. > > > > We are here to help, share and learn. > > > > I also have a brother who died early from heart attack but he was > > overweight, high blood pressure, and an alcoholic. > > > > There are tests for the pituitary gland, one of which is the ACTH test. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 I am not practicing medicine illegally, I have a NP license and I am covered I am licensed to prescribe meds and order any tests I want. I don't have to monitored at all by any MD. I work in collaboration with MD's and other providers. I gave her advice, which is legal on the Internet. She has very high levels of lipids. That is a concern. She needs to be followed for that. Those elevated levels are a contributing factor in both heart disease and stroke. That is a fact. you are the one who is NOT qualified to make any judgement regardless of whether you work for a cardiologist or not. I wonder what your cardiologist would think if he/she knew you were giving unqualified medical info on the Internet. -- Re: Lab Results > > > > HI Alisa, > > It's not fighting. It's just that NO ONE here should give the impression > > they are operating as a practioner and give advice or Dx to anyone. > > > > We are here to help, share and learn. > > > > I also have a brother who died early from heart attack but he was > > overweight, high blood pressure, and an alcoholic. > > > > There are tests for the pituitary gland, one of which is the ACTH test. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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