Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 acccchhhh http://www.wetonaprice.org Gracia All her labs need to be addressed. ALL of them. She needs to be on a low saturated fat diet. Low fat does NOT cause obesity at all. Over eating and lack of exercise and certain medications causes obesity. Once she drops her lipid levels back to normal and she loses some of the seroquel fat, then she can re-introduce some fats back into her diet. But, not now. Her lab values are of a concern, especially since they are fasting values. They indicate a chronic problem. Thus they need to be monitored closely. That is good medicine and insurance does cover it. In the beginning we monitor frequently and as the person starts to stabilize we monitor less often. Since she has a positive family history of heart disease, there is more of a concern given her lab results. Thyroid disease ups the ante. She needs to stabilize her thyroid problem. Many of her problems with elevated lipids may go away following proper treatment for thyroid disease. She can go online and do the labs via the canary club if she doesn't have insurance. She should try to eat these 2 types of diets: like in vegetarian or vegan. Oats are not bad carobs at all. They are high in fiber and they help drop the lipid levels. So will eating lots of fresh and steamed veggies. Either way works. Fiber is a key here. Recent Activity a.. 3New Members Visit Your Group Health Heartburn or Worse What symptoms are most serious? Drive Traffic Sponsored Search can help increase your site traffic. Cat Groups on Share pictures & stories about cats. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1868 - Release Date: 12/29/2008 10:48 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 good post. Gracia Or see the article in the New York Times that started a " buss " some time ago that led to the writing of above mentioned book: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F04E2D61F3EF934A35754C0A9649C8B6\ 3 & sec=health What if It's All Been a Big Fat Lie? Here's the first paragraph: " If the members of the American medical establishment were to have a collective find-yourself-standing-naked-in-Times-Square-type nightmare, this might be it. They spend 30 years ridiculing Atkins, author of the phenomenally-best-selling ''Dr. Atkins' Diet Revolution'' and ''Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution,'' accusing the Manhattan doctor of quackery and fraud, only to discover that the unrepentant Atkins was right all along. Or maybe it's this: they find that their very own dietary recommendations -- eat less fat and more carbohydrates -- are the cause of the rampaging epidemic of obesity in America. Or, just possibly this: they find out both of the above are true. " I say with absolutely no reticence that recommending a low fat diet kills people. Anyone who truly researches this issue and has a modicum of morality and ethics stops recommending low fat diets, and repents. Recent Activity a.. 3New Members Visit Your Group Health Heartburn or Worse What symptoms are most serious? Y! Groups blog The place to go to stay informed on Groups news! Group Charity Citizen Schools Best after school program in the US . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1868 - Release Date: 12/29/2008 10:48 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 oh I meant http://www.westonaprice.org acccchhhh http://www.wetonaprice.org Gracia Recent Activity a.. 3New Members Visit Your Group Health Early Detection Know the symptoms of breast cancer. Share Photos Put your favorite photos and more online. Group Charity Stop Cyberbullying Keep your kids safe from bullying . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1868 - Release Date: 12/29/2008 10:48 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 this is utterly ridiculous. the genie is out of the bottle already. the internet is where quality health care can be found, if one pays attention. we know docs do not know what they are doing, and we want better quality care, and it's our right. And anyway, aside from Armour, Nancie just uses same old same old allopathic crap. you should like it. Gracia That's truly funny. You are not qualified to practice medicine over the internet to people who are not your patients. Thank God doctors and other organizations are aware of people who are doing this and are starting to do something about it. There's a record of all of this and I have been informed by more than one source that there are plans to take action against those practicing medicine illegally. So you carry on but don't push your generalities on me. I happen to have doctors I do like and trust -- it took me 20 years to find them and a lot of research, time and money but it was worth it. Sue Recent Activity a.. 3New Members Visit Your Group Health Asthma Triggers How you can identify them. Sitebuilder Build a web site quickly & easily with Sitebuilder. Everyday Wellness Zone Check out featured healthy living groups. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1868 - Release Date: 12/29/2008 10:48 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 this is so strange--I will save it! you are on a T4 only drug? Gracia I am the one who stated the cause of my brother¹s death- so your cruel ³recap² was just a vicious dig. I could never in my life imagine calling a deceased sibling of someone on this board a pig. You are atrocious beyond belief. Go have a shot of iodine. On 12/28/08 11:26 PM, " Gracia " <circe@...> wrote: > > > > > ???? > horsepuckey. you are not the 'net nanny. there is more experience and > knowledge here than 99% of the endos have. > your brother " caused " his premature death by being a pig, overeating and > allowing himself to be addicted to alcohol? or was he a victim of poor > medical care and lack of thyroid/adrenal treatment? > notice I didn't mention idiot and Hitler even if I wanted to. > Gracia > Recent Activity a.. 3New Members Visit Your Group Health Heartburn or Worse What symptoms are most serious? Going Green Zone Resources for a greener planet. Resources for a greener you. Group Charity Stop Cyberbullying Keep your kids safe from bullying . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1868 - Release Date: 12/29/2008 10:48 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 it is a LOW SATURATED FAT DIET. not just a low fat diet. polyunsaturated fats are ok so are monounsaturated fats. but saturated fats will kill you. eating meat will kill you, it is filled with hormones and antibiotics and every animal that is killed has high levels of stress hormones in their blood from being tortured and murdered. being a vegitarian or vegan is much healthier and you will live longer. I am a vegan and i have never been healthier. -- Re: Lab Results good post. Gracia Or see the article in the New York Times that started a " buss " some time ago that led to the writing of above mentioned book: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage html?res=9F04E2D61F3EF934A35754C0A9649C8B63 & sec=health What if It's All Been a Big Fat Lie? Here's the first paragraph: " If the members of the American medical establishment were to have a collective find-yourself-standing-naked-in-Times-Square-type nightmare, this might be it. They spend 30 years ridiculing Atkins, author of the phenomenally-best-selling ''Dr. Atkins' Diet Revolution'' and ''Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution,'' accusing the Manhattan doctor of quackery and fraud, only to discover that the unrepentant Atkins was right all along. Or maybe it's this: they find that their very own dietary recommendations -- eat less fat and more carbohydrates -- are the cause of the rampaging epidemic of obesity in America. Or, just possibly this: they find out both of the above are true. " I say with absolutely no reticence that recommending a low fat diet kills people. Anyone who truly researches this issue and has a modicum of morality and ethics stops recommending low fat diets, and repents. Recent Activity a.. 3New Members Visit Your Group Health Heartburn or Worse What symptoms are most serious? Y! Groups blog The place to go to stay informed on Groups news! Group Charity Citizen Schools Best after school program in the US .. ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1868 - Release Date: 12/29/2008 10:48 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 what is wrong, don't like fiber? LOL -- Re: Lab Results acccchhhh http://www.wetonaprice.org Gracia All her labs need to be addressed. ALL of them. She needs to be on a low saturated fat diet. Low fat does NOT cause obesity at all. Over eating and lack of exercise and certain medications causes obesity. Once she drops her lipid levels back to normal and she loses some of the seroquel fat, then she can re-introduce some fats back into her diet. But, not now. Her lab values are of a concern, especially since they are fasting values. They indicate a chronic problem. Thus they need to be monitored closely. That is good medicine and insurance does cover it. In the beginning we monitor frequently and as the person starts to stabilize we monitor less often. Since she has a positive family history of heart disease, there is more of a concern given her lab results. Thyroid disease ups the ante. She needs to stabilize her thyroid problem. Many of her problems with elevated lipids may go away following proper treatment for thyroid disease. She can go online and do the labs via the canary club if she doesn't have insurance. She should try to eat these 2 types of diets: like in vegetarian or vegan. Oats are not bad carobs at all. They are high in fiber and they help drop the lipid levels. So will eating lots of fresh and steamed veggies. Either way works. Fiber is a key here. Recent Activity a.. 3New Members Visit Your Group Health Heartburn or Worse What symptoms are most serious? Drive Traffic Sponsored Search can help increase your site traffic. Cat Groups on Share pictures & stories about cats. .. ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1868 - Release Date: 12/29/2008 10:48 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Hello Everyone,   I feel like I started a war. I truly appreciate everyone's opinions and suggestions. I think the more educated I can become the more I will benefit.  Alisa From: Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> Subject: Re: Lab Results hypothyroidism Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 7:26 PM the user won't have any problems with my advice. my advice won't kill her. but silence will. -------Original Message----- -- > >> -- .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 what personal attack?? i just made an observation just like your in the weeds comment and her it's so funny comment. it is called quid pro quo. -- Re: Lab Results Nancie Barnett wrote: > I don't need to play doctor, sue because I can practice as the next best > thing. > > I can do everything that a primary care physician can do. > > You are just jealous. I think it's very possible to be disagreeable without personal attacks. -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Alisa- don't worry about it. We are having a heated argument at the moment. But tomorrow it will all blow over. This is what happens sometimes. I think the more you become an advocate for yourself the stronger you will become. Education is always good. Always ask questions, that is how you learn. You should really try the magnesium. It might be the answer for your sleep problems. I take magnesium citrate. The one big side effect is that it is a laxative, so you will want to start at a low dose and slowly go up on the dose as your body adjusts to it. You can always write me off list. Hugs, Nancie -- Re: Lab Results hypothyroidism Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 7:26 PM the user won't have any problems with my advice. my advice won't kill her. but silence will. -------Original Message----- -- > >> -- .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Grin. I meant exactly what I wrote. Steve Gracia wrote: > LOL > do you mean " disagree " ? some ppl will always be disagreeable. > Gracia > > > > Nancie Barnett wrote: > > I don't need to play doctor, sue because I can practice as the next best > > thing. > > > > I can do everything that a primary care physician can do. > > > > You are just jealous. > > I think it's very possible to be disagreeable without personal attacks. > > -- > > Steve - dudescholar4@... -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 I think you meant here? http://www.westonaprice.org/ An excellent organization indeed. It blows the lid off the vegan and low fat malarkey. Steve Gracia wrote: > acccchhhh > http://www.wetonaprice.org > Gracia > > All her labs need to be addressed. ALL of them. She needs to be on a low > saturated fat diet. > Low fat does NOT cause obesity at all. Over eating and lack of exercise and > certain medications causes obesity. Once she drops her lipid levels back to > normal and she loses some of the seroquel fat, then she can re-introduce > some fats back into her diet. But, not now. Her lab values are of a concern, > especially since they are fasting values. They indicate a chronic problem. > Thus they need to be monitored closely. That is good medicine and insurance > does cover it. In the beginning we monitor frequently and as the person > starts to stabilize we monitor less often. > Since she has a positive family history of heart disease, there is more of a > concern given her lab results. Thyroid disease ups the ante. She needs to > stabilize her thyroid problem. Many of her problems with elevated lipids may > go away following proper treatment for thyroid disease. > She can go online and do the labs via the canary club if she doesn't have > insurance. > She should try to eat these 2 types of diets: like in vegetarian or vegan. > Oats are not bad carobs at all. They are high in fiber and they help drop > the lipid levels. So will eating lots of fresh and steamed veggies. Either > way works. Fiber is a key here. -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Alisa wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I feel like I started a war. I truly appreciate everyone's opinions and suggestions. I think the more educated I can become the more I will benefit. > > Alisa Alisa, Read the " interaction " for the information you may want to look more in depth at. One of the better ways information is " discovered " on the these kinds of lists is by looking at the give and take that goes on, polite and restrained or not, and reviewing the assertions, statements of fact, and real evidence presented that strike your fancy and may be pertinent to your or your loved ones health. This " exchange " going on is temporary, it too shall pass. -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Nancie Barnett wrote: > sue- > > I am a NP . you are not. I have the qualifications , you do not. end of > story. You get a brownie point. -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Alisa, You haven't started a war. This happens regularly in this group. We are all passionate about our beliefs and trying to help others. That's all from me on this topic. Venizia > > From: Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> > Subject: Re: Lab Results > hypothyroidism > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 7:26 PM > > > > > > > the user won't have any problems with my advice. my advice won't kill her. > but silence will. > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > . > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 You just revealed the scary part about you. Keep practicing. You might get it right some day. LOL. On 12/29/08 10:01 PM, " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@...> wrote: > > > I don't need to play doctor, sue because I can practice as the next best > thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Steve, This would be great info and I for one look forward to it. I always like to take in new info to mull around. I recently had my Vitamin D checked and it was just 20 on a scale of 32 to 100. My son, just 20, also had similar measurements and he drinks milk and ³runs in the sun² shirtless. Cardiovascular disease runs in my family wayyyyy back. Low fat diets did nothing to halt that. I have not looked into a Vit K correlation yet -- that will be interesting as well. I have researched the use of pomegranate and find that useful. Lastly, I recently got diagnosed with osteopenia and am supplementing 1000 units of calcium a day, how does this ti ei n with increased cardio disease? On 12/29/08 10:26 PM, " Steve " <dudescholar4@...> wrote: > > > > Let me provide some research over the next few days as time allows: > > First, will discuss vitamin D3 starting with cardiovascular disease's > high correlation to latitude and vitamin D levels. There's a lot of > good recent research in this area. > > Second, I'll address vitamin K. > > Third, I'll touch base on a recent large study in New Zealand that > clearly shows that calcium supplementation increased cardiovascular > events and death, dramatically. > > Then, if you're still listening, we can look a the recent research on > pomegranate. > > I'm am curious as to why you think that being pragmatic in personal > treatment options is funny? > > We can eventually get to " low fat diets " , but I don't believe you're > open to any real research. > > I'm also curious why, if you really practice medicine, how you keep any > patients since your " bedside " manner on the internet is practically > nonexistent. I usually use this as very strong evidence that the > personal claiming to be a medical professional is being dishonest. > > How about you address the issues with facts, instead of cames and what > your 'a' is doing. > > Steve > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 I agree look at http://www.magnesiumforlife.com for spray on magnesium chloride. Gracia Alisa- don't worry about it. We are having a heated argument at the moment. But tomorrow it will all blow over. This is what happens sometimes. I think the more you become an advocate for yourself the stronger you will become. Education is always good. Always ask questions, that is how you learn. You should really try the magnesium. It might be the answer for your sleep problems. I take magnesium citrate. The one big side effect is that it is a laxative, so you will want to start at a low dose and slowly go up on the dose as your body adjusts to it. You can always write me off list. Hugs, Nancie -- Re: Lab Results Hello Everyone, I feel like I started a war. I truly appreciate everyone's opinions and suggestions. I think the more educated I can become the more I will benefit Alisa --- Recent Activity a.. 3New Members Visit Your Group Health Asthma Triggers How you can identify them. Drive Traffic Sponsored Search can help increase your site traffic. Y! Groups blog the best source for the latest scoop on Groups. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1869 - Release Date: 12/30/2008 12:06 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 IMHO it's even better if we can disagree without being disagreeable. But I'll have to admit that too many times I fail even when I try to practice that. .. .. > I think it's very possible to be disagreeable without personal attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 But there's so much crap on the internet that determining what is helpful from what is pure quackery becomes very difficult. .. .. > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... > <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Lab%20Results> > graciabee <graciabee> > > > Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:12 pm (PST) > > > this is utterly ridiculous. the genie is out of the bottle already. > the internet is where quality health care can be found, if one pays > attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Just remember the old saying: Everybody has an @$$hole and every @$$hole has an opinion. And some of them stink! [ggg] .. .. > Posted by: " Alisa " lewisalisa@... > <mailto:lewisalisa@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Lab%20Results> > happytuesday101 <happytuesday101> > > > Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:36 pm (PST) > > Hello Everyone, > > I feel like I started a war. I truly appreciate everyone's opinions > and suggestions. I think the more educated I can become the more I > will benefit. > > Alisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 My system reacts strongly to the laxative effect of magnesium. What form is the magnesium in that you take? The only magnesium citrate I'm familiar with is the bottle you take prior to a colonoscopy. Thanks, .. .. > You should really try the magnesium. It might be the answer for your sleep > problems. I take magnesium citrate. The one big side effect is that it > is a > laxative, so you will want to start at a low dose and slowly go up on the > dose as your body adjusts to it. > You can always write me off list. > Hugs, > Nancie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 at least i have education and a license to back me up- you are practicing medicine without a liscense. we put people like you in prison for pretending to be something you are not. -- Re: Lab Results You just revealed the scary part about you. Keep practicing. You might get it right some day. LOL. On 12/29/08 10:01 PM, " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@...> wrote: > > > I don't need to play doctor, sue because I can practice as the next best > thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 go piss off -- Re: Lab Results You just revealed the scary part about you. Keep practicing. You might get it right some day. LOL. On 12/29/08 10:01 PM, " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@...> wrote: > > > I don't need to play doctor, sue because I can practice as the next best > thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 They are capsules in a bottle. There are other forms. Gracie can give you a link to a topical form. I like the laxative effect because the constipation can be bad from the hypo T -- Re: Lab Results My system reacts strongly to the laxative effect of magnesium. What form is the magnesium in that you take? The only magnesium citrate I'm familiar with is the bottle you take prior to a colonoscopy. Thanks, .. .. > You should really try the magnesium. It might be the answer for your sleep > problems. I take magnesium citrate. The one big side effect is that it > is a > laxative, so you will want to start at a low dose and slowly go up on the > dose as your body adjusts to it. > You can always write me off list. > Hugs, > Nancie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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