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Have you redrawn her titers to the immunizations? Revaccinate and challenge her

system to respond. Unfortunately Macey nor Les get much sinus help from

infusions. They both did maintenance antibiotics which kept those infections

from draining down into chest infections.

Ursula

On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:58 AM, le Mina <daniellemina@...> wrote:

>

>

> Tristen, 7 was on subq for 3 years. She seemed to be doing better so we

decided to trial her off infusions. It's been 7 months and at first she was ok,

got mild sinus infections once a month, but now she's had more serious sinus

infections/bronchitis. The last 2 times she was off antibiotics for a week and

was sick again. (I'm trying to decide if she's failing the trial off or if it's

more to do with it being winter that she's sick more.) Her immuno and pedi

aren't convinced the infusions worked the first time around and aren't sure she

should go back on them. They both said it was my decision and I feel infusions

are the route to go, but I'm having a hard time making that decision on my own

without the backup of the dr's. Part of the issue is her IgG is within normal

range, but on the low side, mid 600's. That's what her numbers were before we

started infusions and that's what they are again after 6 months off infusions.

I did see a 2nd

> immuno at Stanford who was the one who said let's trial her off and her local

immuno agreed. I think it may be time to go back to the Stanford immuno and get

her opinion and maybe she will be the one to support my decision. I wish this

was easier!

>

> How do you know when you've failed your trial off?

>

> Just for reference: How often do your kids get sick while on treatment?

Tristen was still getting sinus/lung infections but they weren't so severe and

usually 1 round of antibiotics would clear it up.

>

> Thanks,

>

> le

>

>

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My 6 year daughter madeline had been constantly sick from 3 mo old. The illness

would require 20 days of rx at a time would clear 90 percent of the way and

would come right back in 4 days, would turn from a sinus infection to a chest

infection.... She had staph/ strep infections but mostly sinus that would cause

her asthma to be so bad and chronic that it sounded like or was overtaking her

with lung congestion. She spent almost every winrer month in and out of the

hospital averaging 4 says at a stay. She was constantly on prednisone every

month and each time we would taper her it would get worse. She was on Iv pred

oral pred for 6 mo it was terrible. She was only well in the summer and that's

when she would get the skin infections instead that would land her on Iv rx in

the hospital. She was always tired and always had belly pains. She had a

stroller wheel chair because walking more than 4 minutes would cause the belly

and fatigue issues. After 2 IVIG 's her belly pain and fatigue were gone.

After her 2 nd IVIG she went 2 winter ki this with no rx and then had a simple

virus that went away in four days. Never had a simple virus ever. After 1 1/2

mo of IVIG she did get a cough / congestion that wouldn't go away so she took rx

but only ten days and has had 0 asthma complications and 0 prednisone doses

since beginning IVIG and SCIG.

Hope this helps at all. Mad's IVIG levels are in 300's and she made her pnemo

titters but they dropped quickly to low normal. Her doctor ran an avidity test

which showed the titters that were there we're not even working. They were all

in the zero range. Hope this helps at all for some comparison.

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On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:58 AM, le Mina <daniellemina@...> wrote:

>

>

> Tristen, 7 was on subq for 3 years. She seemed to be doing better so we

decided to trial her off infusions. It's been 7 months and at first she was ok,

got mild sinus infections once a month, but now she's had more serious sinus

infections/bronchitis. The last 2 times she was off antibiotics for a week and

was sick again. (I'm trying to decide if she's failing the trial off or if it's

more to do with it being winter that she's sick more.) Her immuno and pedi

aren't convinced the infusions worked the first time around and aren't sure she

should go back on them. They both said it was my decision and I feel infusions

are the route to go, but I'm having a hard time making that decision on my own

without the backup of the dr's. Part of the issue is her IgG is within normal

range, but on the low side, mid 600's. That's what her numbers were before we

started infusions and that's what they are again after 6 months off infusions.

I did see a 2nd

> immuno at Stanford who was the one who said let's trial her off and her local

immuno agreed. I think it may be time to go back to the Stanford immuno and get

her opinion and maybe she will be the one to support my decision. I wish this

was easier!

>

> How do you know when you've failed your trial off?

>

> Just for reference: How often do your kids get sick while on treatment?

Tristen was still getting sinus/lung infections but they weren't so severe and

usually 1 round of antibiotics would clear it up.

>

> Thanks,

>

> le

>

>

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My 6 year daughter madeline had been constantly sick from 3 mo old. The illness

would require 20 days of rx at a time would clear 90 percent of the way and

would come right back in 4 days, would turn from a sinus infection to a chest

infection.... She had staph/ strep infections but mostly sinus that would cause

her asthma to be so bad and chronic that it sounded like or was overtaking her

with lung congestion. She spent almost every winrer month in and out of the

hospital averaging 4 says at a stay. She was constantly on prednisone every

month and each time we would taper her it would get worse. She was on Iv pred

oral pred for 6 mo it was terrible. She was only well in the summer and that's

when she would get the skin infections instead that would land her on Iv rx in

the hospital. She was always tired and always had belly pains. She had a

stroller wheel chair because walking more than 4 minutes would cause the belly

and fatigue issues. After 2 IVIG 's her belly pain and fatigue were gone.

After her 2 nd IVIG she went 2 winter ki this with no rx and then had a simple

virus that went away in four days. Never had a simple virus ever. After 1 1/2

mo of IVIG she did get a cough / congestion that wouldn't go away so she took rx

but only ten days and has had 0 asthma complications and 0 prednisone doses

since beginning IVIG and SCIG.

Hope this helps at all. Mad's IVIG levels are in 300's and she made her pnemo

titters but they dropped quickly to low normal. Her doctor ran an avidity test

which showed the titters that were there we're not even working. They were all

in the zero range. Hope this helps at all for some comparison.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:58 AM, le Mina <daniellemina@...> wrote:

>

>

> Tristen, 7 was on subq for 3 years. She seemed to be doing better so we

decided to trial her off infusions. It's been 7 months and at first she was ok,

got mild sinus infections once a month, but now she's had more serious sinus

infections/bronchitis. The last 2 times she was off antibiotics for a week and

was sick again. (I'm trying to decide if she's failing the trial off or if it's

more to do with it being winter that she's sick more.) Her immuno and pedi

aren't convinced the infusions worked the first time around and aren't sure she

should go back on them. They both said it was my decision and I feel infusions

are the route to go, but I'm having a hard time making that decision on my own

without the backup of the dr's. Part of the issue is her IgG is within normal

range, but on the low side, mid 600's. That's what her numbers were before we

started infusions and that's what they are again after 6 months off infusions.

I did see a 2nd

> immuno at Stanford who was the one who said let's trial her off and her local

immuno agreed. I think it may be time to go back to the Stanford immuno and get

her opinion and maybe she will be the one to support my decision. I wish this

was easier!

>

> How do you know when you've failed your trial off?

>

> Just for reference: How often do your kids get sick while on treatment?

Tristen was still getting sinus/lung infections but they weren't so severe and

usually 1 round of antibiotics would clear it up.

>

> Thanks,

>

> le

>

>

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I meant two winter months without infections and then had a smile virus.

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On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:58 AM, le Mina <daniellemina@...> wrote:

>

>

> Tristen, 7 was on subq for 3 years. She seemed to be doing better so we

decided to trial her off infusions. It's been 7 months and at first she was ok,

got mild sinus infections once a month, but now she's had more serious sinus

infections/bronchitis. The last 2 times she was off antibiotics for a week and

was sick again. (I'm trying to decide if she's failing the trial off or if it's

more to do with it being winter that she's sick more.) Her immuno and pedi

aren't convinced the infusions worked the first time around and aren't sure she

should go back on them. They both said it was my decision and I feel infusions

are the route to go, but I'm having a hard time making that decision on my own

without the backup of the dr's. Part of the issue is her IgG is within normal

range, but on the low side, mid 600's. That's what her numbers were before we

started infusions and that's what they are again after 6 months off infusions.

I did see a 2nd

> immuno at Stanford who was the one who said let's trial her off and her local

immuno agreed. I think it may be time to go back to the Stanford immuno and get

her opinion and maybe she will be the one to support my decision. I wish this

was easier!

>

> How do you know when you've failed your trial off?

>

> Just for reference: How often do your kids get sick while on treatment?

Tristen was still getting sinus/lung infections but they weren't so severe and

usually 1 round of antibiotics would clear it up.

>

> Thanks,

>

> le

>

>

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Go back and do the Pneumovax testing to see what her antibodies are. A IgG only

tells you a number not a function. I would go back to Stanford to see what she

says. Having chronic infections that do not respond to antibiotics is a sign of

an immune disorder so go back and look at the symptoms of an immune disorder and

see if she still has them now that she is off of the support of the

immuneglobulins in her system. I think you have already figured it out in your

gut so go with it. Barbie. Lucas CVID, Bipolar etc.16

From: daniellemina@...

Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 08:58:46 -0800

Subject: Trialing off

Tristen, 7 was on subq for 3 years. She seemed to be doing better so we decided

to trial her off infusions. It's been 7 months and at first she was ok, got

mild sinus infections once a month, but now she's had more serious sinus

infections/bronchitis. The last 2 times she was off antibiotics for a week and

was sick again. (I'm trying to decide if she's failing the trial off or if it's

more to do with it being winter that she's sick more.) Her immuno and pedi

aren't convinced the infusions worked the first time around and aren't sure she

should go back on them. They both said it was my decision and I feel infusions

are the route to go, but I'm having a hard time making that decision on my own

without the backup of the dr's. Part of the issue is her IgG is within normal

range, but on the low side, mid 600's. That's what her numbers were before we

started infusions and that's what they are again after 6 months off infusions.

I did see a 2nd

immuno at Stanford who was the one who said let's trial her off and her local

immuno agreed. I think it may be time to go back to the Stanford immuno and get

her opinion and maybe she will be the one to support my decision. I wish this

was easier!

How do you know when you've failed your trial off?

Just for reference: How often do your kids get sick while on treatment? Tristen

was still getting sinus/lung infections but they weren't so severe and usually 1

round of antibiotics would clear it up.

Thanks,

le

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I made the apt with Stanford, however the dr only see's patients once a week and

the next available apt is May 3.  I'm not sure I want to wait 2 months and I

start school April 9 and won't be able to take Tristen to her apt. 

I think I'll wait for the titer results and I'll just have to be strong and be

ok with deciding to go back on infusions.  Her local immuno and pedi both said

they would support me if I decided to put her back on infusions, I just don't

think they wanted to make the call just in case it wasn't the right decision. 

Tristen has always fallen in the grey area and we've never gotten a concrete

answer with anything.

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From: Barbie Jimenez <mother5590@...>

Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 11:17 AM

Subject: RE: Trialing off

Go back and do the Pneumovax testing to see what her antibodies are. A IgG only

tells you a number not a function. I would go back to Stanford to see what she

says. Having chronic infections that do not respond to antibiotics is a sign of

an immune disorder so go back and look at the symptoms of an immune disorder and

see if she still has them now that she is off of the support of the

immuneglobulins in her system. I think you have already figured it out in your

gut so go with it. Barbie. Lucas CVID, Bipolar etc.16

From: daniellemina@...

Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 08:58:46 -0800

Subject: Trialing off

 

   

     

     

     

Tristen, 7 was on subq for 3 years.  She seemed to be doing better so we decided

to trial her off infusions.  It's been 7 months and at first she was ok, got

mild sinus infections once a month, but now she's had more serious sinus

infections/bronchitis.  The last 2 times she was off antibiotics for a week and

was sick again.  (I'm trying to decide if she's failing the trial off or if it's

more to do with it being winter that she's sick more.) Her immuno and pedi

aren't convinced the infusions worked the first time around and aren't sure she

should go back on them.  They both said it was my decision and I feel infusions

are the route to go, but I'm having a hard time making that decision on my own

without the backup of the dr's.  Part of the issue is her IgG is within normal

range, but on the low side, mid 600's.  That's what her numbers were before we

started infusions and that's what they are again after 6 months off infusions. 

I did see a 2nd

immuno at Stanford who was the one who said let's trial her off and her local

immuno agreed.  I think it may be time to go back to the Stanford immuno and get

her opinion and maybe she will be the one to support my decision.  I wish this

was easier!

How do you know when you've failed your trial off?

Just for reference: How often do your kids get sick while on treatment?  Tristen

was still getting sinus/lung infections but they weren't so severe and usually 1

round of antibiotics would clear it up.

Thanks,

le 

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If the function is not there then you'll be more at peace replacing it with

medicine. Especially if she is clinically unwell. Before the tests and when a

plan is up in the air it's hard to think of exposing her to infusions.

Ursula

On Mar 1, 2012, at 2:23 PM, le Mina <daniellemina@...> wrote:

> I made the apt with Stanford, however the dr only see's patients once a week

and the next available apt is May 3. I'm not sure I want to wait 2 months and I

start school April 9 and won't be able to take Tristen to her apt.

>

> I think I'll wait for the titer results and I'll just have to be strong and be

ok with deciding to go back on infusions. Her local immuno and pedi both said

they would support me if I decided to put her back on infusions, I just don't

think they wanted to make the call just in case it wasn't the right decision.

Tristen has always fallen in the grey area and we've never gotten a concrete

answer with anything.

>

> ________________________________

> From: Barbie Jimenez <mother5590@...>

>

> Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 11:17 AM

> Subject: RE: Trialing off

>

>

> Go back and do the Pneumovax testing to see what her antibodies are. A IgG

only tells you a number not a function. I would go back to Stanford to see what

she says. Having chronic infections that do not respond to antibiotics is a sign

of an immune disorder so go back and look at the symptoms of an immune disorder

and see if she still has them now that she is off of the support of the

immuneglobulins in her system. I think you have already figured it out in your

gut so go with it. Barbie. Lucas CVID, Bipolar etc.16

>

> From: daniellemina@...

> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 08:58:46 -0800

> Subject: Trialing off

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Tristen, 7 was on subq for 3 years. She seemed to be doing better so we

decided to trial her off infusions. It's been 7 months and at first she was ok,

got mild sinus infections once a month, but now she's had more serious sinus

infections/bronchitis. The last 2 times she was off antibiotics for a week and

was sick again. (I'm trying to decide if she's failing the trial off or if it's

more to do with it being winter that she's sick more.) Her immuno and pedi

aren't convinced the infusions worked the first time around and aren't sure she

should go back on them. They both said it was my decision and I feel infusions

are the route to go, but I'm having a hard time making that decision on my own

without the backup of the dr's. Part of the issue is her IgG is within normal

range, but on the low side, mid 600's. That's what her numbers were before we

started infusions and that's what they are again after 6 months off infusions.

I did see a 2nd

>

> immuno at Stanford who was the one who said let's trial her off and her local

immuno agreed. I think it may be time to go back to the Stanford immuno and get

her opinion and maybe she will be the one to support my decision. I wish this

was easier!

>

> How do you know when you've failed your trial off?

>

> Just for reference: How often do your kids get sick while on treatment?

Tristen was still getting sinus/lung infections but they weren't so severe and

usually 1 round of antibiotics would clear it up.

>

> Thanks,

>

> le

>

>

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