Guest guest Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Have you redrawn her titers to the immunizations? Revaccinate and challenge her system to respond. Unfortunately Macey nor Les get much sinus help from infusions. They both did maintenance antibiotics which kept those infections from draining down into chest infections. Ursula On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:58 AM, le Mina <daniellemina@...> wrote: > > > Tristen, 7 was on subq for 3 years. She seemed to be doing better so we decided to trial her off infusions. It's been 7 months and at first she was ok, got mild sinus infections once a month, but now she's had more serious sinus infections/bronchitis. The last 2 times she was off antibiotics for a week and was sick again. (I'm trying to decide if she's failing the trial off or if it's more to do with it being winter that she's sick more.) Her immuno and pedi aren't convinced the infusions worked the first time around and aren't sure she should go back on them. They both said it was my decision and I feel infusions are the route to go, but I'm having a hard time making that decision on my own without the backup of the dr's. Part of the issue is her IgG is within normal range, but on the low side, mid 600's. That's what her numbers were before we started infusions and that's what they are again after 6 months off infusions. I did see a 2nd > immuno at Stanford who was the one who said let's trial her off and her local immuno agreed. I think it may be time to go back to the Stanford immuno and get her opinion and maybe she will be the one to support my decision. I wish this was easier! > > How do you know when you've failed your trial off? > > Just for reference: How often do your kids get sick while on treatment? Tristen was still getting sinus/lung infections but they weren't so severe and usually 1 round of antibiotics would clear it up. > > Thanks, > > le > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 My 6 year daughter madeline had been constantly sick from 3 mo old. The illness would require 20 days of rx at a time would clear 90 percent of the way and would come right back in 4 days, would turn from a sinus infection to a chest infection.... She had staph/ strep infections but mostly sinus that would cause her asthma to be so bad and chronic that it sounded like or was overtaking her with lung congestion. She spent almost every winrer month in and out of the hospital averaging 4 says at a stay. She was constantly on prednisone every month and each time we would taper her it would get worse. She was on Iv pred oral pred for 6 mo it was terrible. She was only well in the summer and that's when she would get the skin infections instead that would land her on Iv rx in the hospital. She was always tired and always had belly pains. She had a stroller wheel chair because walking more than 4 minutes would cause the belly and fatigue issues. After 2 IVIG 's her belly pain and fatigue were gone. After her 2 nd IVIG she went 2 winter ki this with no rx and then had a simple virus that went away in four days. Never had a simple virus ever. After 1 1/2 mo of IVIG she did get a cough / congestion that wouldn't go away so she took rx but only ten days and has had 0 asthma complications and 0 prednisone doses since beginning IVIG and SCIG. Hope this helps at all. Mad's IVIG levels are in 300's and she made her pnemo titters but they dropped quickly to low normal. Her doctor ran an avidity test which showed the titters that were there we're not even working. They were all in the zero range. Hope this helps at all for some comparison. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:58 AM, le Mina <daniellemina@...> wrote: > > > Tristen, 7 was on subq for 3 years. She seemed to be doing better so we decided to trial her off infusions. It's been 7 months and at first she was ok, got mild sinus infections once a month, but now she's had more serious sinus infections/bronchitis. The last 2 times she was off antibiotics for a week and was sick again. (I'm trying to decide if she's failing the trial off or if it's more to do with it being winter that she's sick more.) Her immuno and pedi aren't convinced the infusions worked the first time around and aren't sure she should go back on them. They both said it was my decision and I feel infusions are the route to go, but I'm having a hard time making that decision on my own without the backup of the dr's. Part of the issue is her IgG is within normal range, but on the low side, mid 600's. That's what her numbers were before we started infusions and that's what they are again after 6 months off infusions. I did see a 2nd > immuno at Stanford who was the one who said let's trial her off and her local immuno agreed. I think it may be time to go back to the Stanford immuno and get her opinion and maybe she will be the one to support my decision. I wish this was easier! > > How do you know when you've failed your trial off? > > Just for reference: How often do your kids get sick while on treatment? Tristen was still getting sinus/lung infections but they weren't so severe and usually 1 round of antibiotics would clear it up. > > Thanks, > > le > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 My 6 year daughter madeline had been constantly sick from 3 mo old. The illness would require 20 days of rx at a time would clear 90 percent of the way and would come right back in 4 days, would turn from a sinus infection to a chest infection.... She had staph/ strep infections but mostly sinus that would cause her asthma to be so bad and chronic that it sounded like or was overtaking her with lung congestion. She spent almost every winrer month in and out of the hospital averaging 4 says at a stay. She was constantly on prednisone every month and each time we would taper her it would get worse. She was on Iv pred oral pred for 6 mo it was terrible. She was only well in the summer and that's when she would get the skin infections instead that would land her on Iv rx in the hospital. She was always tired and always had belly pains. She had a stroller wheel chair because walking more than 4 minutes would cause the belly and fatigue issues. After 2 IVIG 's her belly pain and fatigue were gone. After her 2 nd IVIG she went 2 winter ki this with no rx and then had a simple virus that went away in four days. Never had a simple virus ever. After 1 1/2 mo of IVIG she did get a cough / congestion that wouldn't go away so she took rx but only ten days and has had 0 asthma complications and 0 prednisone doses since beginning IVIG and SCIG. Hope this helps at all. Mad's IVIG levels are in 300's and she made her pnemo titters but they dropped quickly to low normal. Her doctor ran an avidity test which showed the titters that were there we're not even working. They were all in the zero range. Hope this helps at all for some comparison. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:58 AM, le Mina <daniellemina@...> wrote: > > > Tristen, 7 was on subq for 3 years. She seemed to be doing better so we decided to trial her off infusions. It's been 7 months and at first she was ok, got mild sinus infections once a month, but now she's had more serious sinus infections/bronchitis. The last 2 times she was off antibiotics for a week and was sick again. (I'm trying to decide if she's failing the trial off or if it's more to do with it being winter that she's sick more.) Her immuno and pedi aren't convinced the infusions worked the first time around and aren't sure she should go back on them. They both said it was my decision and I feel infusions are the route to go, but I'm having a hard time making that decision on my own without the backup of the dr's. Part of the issue is her IgG is within normal range, but on the low side, mid 600's. That's what her numbers were before we started infusions and that's what they are again after 6 months off infusions. I did see a 2nd > immuno at Stanford who was the one who said let's trial her off and her local immuno agreed. I think it may be time to go back to the Stanford immuno and get her opinion and maybe she will be the one to support my decision. I wish this was easier! > > How do you know when you've failed your trial off? > > Just for reference: How often do your kids get sick while on treatment? Tristen was still getting sinus/lung infections but they weren't so severe and usually 1 round of antibiotics would clear it up. > > Thanks, > > le > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 I meant two winter months without infections and then had a smile virus. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:58 AM, le Mina <daniellemina@...> wrote: > > > Tristen, 7 was on subq for 3 years. She seemed to be doing better so we decided to trial her off infusions. It's been 7 months and at first she was ok, got mild sinus infections once a month, but now she's had more serious sinus infections/bronchitis. The last 2 times she was off antibiotics for a week and was sick again. (I'm trying to decide if she's failing the trial off or if it's more to do with it being winter that she's sick more.) Her immuno and pedi aren't convinced the infusions worked the first time around and aren't sure she should go back on them. They both said it was my decision and I feel infusions are the route to go, but I'm having a hard time making that decision on my own without the backup of the dr's. Part of the issue is her IgG is within normal range, but on the low side, mid 600's. That's what her numbers were before we started infusions and that's what they are again after 6 months off infusions. I did see a 2nd > immuno at Stanford who was the one who said let's trial her off and her local immuno agreed. I think it may be time to go back to the Stanford immuno and get her opinion and maybe she will be the one to support my decision. I wish this was easier! > > How do you know when you've failed your trial off? > > Just for reference: How often do your kids get sick while on treatment? Tristen was still getting sinus/lung infections but they weren't so severe and usually 1 round of antibiotics would clear it up. > > Thanks, > > le > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Go back and do the Pneumovax testing to see what her antibodies are. A IgG only tells you a number not a function. I would go back to Stanford to see what she says. Having chronic infections that do not respond to antibiotics is a sign of an immune disorder so go back and look at the symptoms of an immune disorder and see if she still has them now that she is off of the support of the immuneglobulins in her system. I think you have already figured it out in your gut so go with it. Barbie. Lucas CVID, Bipolar etc.16 From: daniellemina@... Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 08:58:46 -0800 Subject: Trialing off Tristen, 7 was on subq for 3 years. She seemed to be doing better so we decided to trial her off infusions. It's been 7 months and at first she was ok, got mild sinus infections once a month, but now she's had more serious sinus infections/bronchitis. The last 2 times she was off antibiotics for a week and was sick again. (I'm trying to decide if she's failing the trial off or if it's more to do with it being winter that she's sick more.) Her immuno and pedi aren't convinced the infusions worked the first time around and aren't sure she should go back on them. They both said it was my decision and I feel infusions are the route to go, but I'm having a hard time making that decision on my own without the backup of the dr's. Part of the issue is her IgG is within normal range, but on the low side, mid 600's. That's what her numbers were before we started infusions and that's what they are again after 6 months off infusions. I did see a 2nd immuno at Stanford who was the one who said let's trial her off and her local immuno agreed. I think it may be time to go back to the Stanford immuno and get her opinion and maybe she will be the one to support my decision. I wish this was easier! How do you know when you've failed your trial off? Just for reference: How often do your kids get sick while on treatment? Tristen was still getting sinus/lung infections but they weren't so severe and usually 1 round of antibiotics would clear it up. Thanks, le Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 I made the apt with Stanford, however the dr only see's patients once a week and the next available apt is May 3. I'm not sure I want to wait 2 months and I start school April 9 and won't be able to take Tristen to her apt. I think I'll wait for the titer results and I'll just have to be strong and be ok with deciding to go back on infusions. Her local immuno and pedi both said they would support me if I decided to put her back on infusions, I just don't think they wanted to make the call just in case it wasn't the right decision. Tristen has always fallen in the grey area and we've never gotten a concrete answer with anything. ________________________________ From: Barbie Jimenez <mother5590@...> Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 11:17 AM Subject: RE: Trialing off Go back and do the Pneumovax testing to see what her antibodies are. A IgG only tells you a number not a function. I would go back to Stanford to see what she says. Having chronic infections that do not respond to antibiotics is a sign of an immune disorder so go back and look at the symptoms of an immune disorder and see if she still has them now that she is off of the support of the immuneglobulins in her system. I think you have already figured it out in your gut so go with it. Barbie. Lucas CVID, Bipolar etc.16 From: daniellemina@... Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 08:58:46 -0800 Subject: Trialing off             Tristen, 7 was on subq for 3 years. She seemed to be doing better so we decided to trial her off infusions. It's been 7 months and at first she was ok, got mild sinus infections once a month, but now she's had more serious sinus infections/bronchitis. The last 2 times she was off antibiotics for a week and was sick again. (I'm trying to decide if she's failing the trial off or if it's more to do with it being winter that she's sick more.) Her immuno and pedi aren't convinced the infusions worked the first time around and aren't sure she should go back on them. They both said it was my decision and I feel infusions are the route to go, but I'm having a hard time making that decision on my own without the backup of the dr's. Part of the issue is her IgG is within normal range, but on the low side, mid 600's. That's what her numbers were before we started infusions and that's what they are again after 6 months off infusions. I did see a 2nd immuno at Stanford who was the one who said let's trial her off and her local immuno agreed. I think it may be time to go back to the Stanford immuno and get her opinion and maybe she will be the one to support my decision. I wish this was easier! How do you know when you've failed your trial off? Just for reference: How often do your kids get sick while on treatment? Tristen was still getting sinus/lung infections but they weren't so severe and usually 1 round of antibiotics would clear it up. Thanks, le Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 If the function is not there then you'll be more at peace replacing it with medicine. Especially if she is clinically unwell. Before the tests and when a plan is up in the air it's hard to think of exposing her to infusions. Ursula On Mar 1, 2012, at 2:23 PM, le Mina <daniellemina@...> wrote: > I made the apt with Stanford, however the dr only see's patients once a week and the next available apt is May 3. I'm not sure I want to wait 2 months and I start school April 9 and won't be able to take Tristen to her apt. > > I think I'll wait for the titer results and I'll just have to be strong and be ok with deciding to go back on infusions. Her local immuno and pedi both said they would support me if I decided to put her back on infusions, I just don't think they wanted to make the call just in case it wasn't the right decision. Tristen has always fallen in the grey area and we've never gotten a concrete answer with anything. > > ________________________________ > From: Barbie Jimenez <mother5590@...> > > Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 11:17 AM > Subject: RE: Trialing off > > > Go back and do the Pneumovax testing to see what her antibodies are. A IgG only tells you a number not a function. I would go back to Stanford to see what she says. Having chronic infections that do not respond to antibiotics is a sign of an immune disorder so go back and look at the symptoms of an immune disorder and see if she still has them now that she is off of the support of the immuneglobulins in her system. I think you have already figured it out in your gut so go with it. Barbie. Lucas CVID, Bipolar etc.16 > > From: daniellemina@... > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 08:58:46 -0800 > Subject: Trialing off > > > > > > > > > Tristen, 7 was on subq for 3 years. She seemed to be doing better so we decided to trial her off infusions. It's been 7 months and at first she was ok, got mild sinus infections once a month, but now she's had more serious sinus infections/bronchitis. The last 2 times she was off antibiotics for a week and was sick again. (I'm trying to decide if she's failing the trial off or if it's more to do with it being winter that she's sick more.) Her immuno and pedi aren't convinced the infusions worked the first time around and aren't sure she should go back on them. They both said it was my decision and I feel infusions are the route to go, but I'm having a hard time making that decision on my own without the backup of the dr's. Part of the issue is her IgG is within normal range, but on the low side, mid 600's. That's what her numbers were before we started infusions and that's what they are again after 6 months off infusions. I did see a 2nd > > immuno at Stanford who was the one who said let's trial her off and her local immuno agreed. I think it may be time to go back to the Stanford immuno and get her opinion and maybe she will be the one to support my decision. I wish this was easier! > > How do you know when you've failed your trial off? > > Just for reference: How often do your kids get sick while on treatment? Tristen was still getting sinus/lung infections but they weren't so severe and usually 1 round of antibiotics would clear it up. > > Thanks, > > le > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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