Anti-depressant

February 17, 2003

In a message dated 2/17/2003 11:20:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,

ppyn@... writes:

<< Hi Debbie, I was on Effexor for a little over a year. >>

My girlfriend is on Effexor (has been for a year) and having a devil of a

time trying to get off of it. She has some fairly severe side effects

everytime she tries to stop. The doctor is not much help. Any ideas? I'm

sending this email to her so she can email you privately if you don't mind.

Maybe it's just me but I'm so totally against anti-depressants. My

experience is that people seem to end up worse than they were when they

started. I thought that seditives etc were for the relief of temporary

depression (a death, divorce, grief, etc.) not for months and months even

years.

Max

February 17, 2003

> Maybe it's just me but I'm so totally against anti-depressants. My

> experience is that people seem to end up worse than they were when

they

> started. I thought that seditives etc were for the relief of

temporary

> depression (a death, divorce, grief, etc.) not for months and

months even

> years.

> Max

i agree Max so it isn't just you :-) i've seen it time and

again............sometimes the 'bandaide' approach just masks what

the 'experts' either don't know or don't care to share re. what

really brings the body back into balance - i could really go on a

rant here re. what my own research of 'research' has shown but i'll

refrain LOL

February 18, 2003

In a message dated 2/18/2003 11:47:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,

ladyshave5@... writes:

<< We're more

honest than women in many cases(although not enough) and end up

suffering the least depression and/or for some reason don't give into

takin drugs as much....more of a general trend. >>

Before you're strangled with a pair of pantyhose, I think you mean that we

tend to be more honest WITH OURSELVES. I believe this is true because we

have to be for self preservation. Because of our competitive natures, when

it comes to perceived weakness we don't have the same circle of genuine

support women have and are forced to be more guarded and face ourselves

alone. That's one of the reasons why wives, moms, daughters, sisters, and

girlfriends are so important to us old cumudgeons who wouldn't go to the

doctor unless the arterial bleeding was shorting out the TV.

February 18, 2003

I spent years droppin momma off at the psychiatrist's office for

a " visit " ( " here, try this one....mmmmhhmmm....let's see if this dose

will work, blah blah blah " ). She had at least 3 different bottles of

anti-depressants prescribed to her at any given time. Nothing

changed but there were times when she was gleeful.

I once sneaked up to the office and listened to the " visit " and

overheard the psychiatrist talkin about business deals over the phone

and then just providing the most asinine psychological help to my

mom. But they can get away with that since most of their patients are

weak and look at them like they're a GOD. My instincts told me the

guy was an asshole smarmy lying prick, but I thought i had to respect

my elders & the medical establishment " knew what they were doing, so

i should just shut up. "

I studied every single one of these drugs in college and found even

the BEST ANTI-DEPRESSANTS to not only " work " FOR only SOME specific

types of people, but could easily be defeated in a placebo test

(clinically). They choose not to publish these results obviously

because it's a private company and because placebo tests are just

there to show the even more corrupt members of the FDA overseeing

the " tests. "

They always talk about chemical imbalances (especially for women),

but men actually have MORE HORMONES to deal with!!! We're more

honest than women in many cases(although not enough) and end up

suffering the least depression and/or for some reason don't give into

takin drugs as much....more of a general trend.

Well, anyways, my conclusion is that you're better off reading

something like RADICAL HONESTY (just ask Donna) ....and actually

applying the basic easy principles in your life.......than finding

salvation in a pill. I could be wrong of course.

jb

> In a message dated 2/17/2003 11:20:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> ppyn@s... writes:

>

> << Hi Debbie, I was on Effexor for a little over a year. >>

> My girlfriend is on Effexor (has been for a year) and having a

devil of a

> time trying to get off of it. She has some fairly severe side

effects

> everytime she tries to stop. The doctor is not much help. Any

ideas? I'm

> sending this email to her so she can email you privately if you

don't mind.

>

> Maybe it's just me but I'm so totally against anti-depressants. My

> experience is that people seem to end up worse than they were when

they

> started. I thought that seditives etc were for the relief of

temporary

> depression (a death, divorce, grief, etc.) not for months and

months even

> years.

> Max

February 18, 2003

I had to throw this in as well:

(from the desk of egbert sukop)

We have to talk a little bit more thoroughly about the 'self-esteem

issue. It's so important to root out all that it has done to us.

If you don't have any self-esteem, you don't have anything to worry

about. You don't need any! Psychiatrists have made healthy profits

with their sophisticated books that talked people into a lack of self-

esteem. Some of the same and more Psychiatrists multiply their

income by talking people out of lack and back into self-esteem. I'm

not interested in offending Psychiatrists, and I certainly don't

begrudge them a penny. I wish people would just mail their weekly

check to their therapist and not go there. Do what you want to do

instead and leave the self-esteem crap to the professionals. They're

getting paid for wasting their time on that issue.

jb....enjoy

(the rest goes into money)

IF YOU'RE BUSY DEALING WITH YOUR SELF - ESTEEM, IT USUALLY COSTS YOU

CASH AND MORE!!

Would you ocnsider a person sane, who is wrapped up in this

interesting soliloquy: " I don't have a head, I don't have a head! "

or " I have a head, I really do have a head! " ? Well, anyone

contemplating self-esteem or the lack of it, is doing what I just

described. It's so funny!

Everyone has the choice: Either the sickening luxury of an endless

conversation about self-esteem, OR endless money. Money can't stand

self-questioning! Do you enjoy the company of someone who is

torturing herself ceaselessly? See, money hates to be with insecure

people, too.

BLAH BLAHB LAHBLABHLA BLAH BLAH........

> Hi Debbie, I was on Effexor for a little over a year. That was

after trying Prozac and hating being a walking zombie! I was on a

very low dose, at least my Dr. told me it was low! I had started low

and after awhile felt that it wasn't enough, so had it increased,

then backed off again cuz it was too much. I just hated taking it. I

feel like it is not me. I don't like not having emotions. I used to

cry at Hallmark card commercials and my Dr said that wasn't normal.

But I kind of miss that person, so just 5 days ago I quit taking it

altogether. It didn't come in any smaller doses or I would have

tapered off more. I am still feeling some effects - dizziness every

now and then but I had a good day yesterday and a wonderful tryst

with my husband if you know what I mean! I just need to learn how to

control my temper and watch my mouth! I'm hoping eating and living

right will help me with that. Anyway, go slow and get your Dr to

help you. Good luck!

>

February 18, 2003

> We have to talk a little bit more thoroughly about the 'self-esteem

> issue. It's so important to root out all that it has done to us.

>

> If you don't have any self-esteem, you don't have anything to worry

> about. You don't need any! Psychiatrists have made healthy

profits

> with their sophisticated books that talked people into a lack of

self-

> esteem. Some of the same and more Psychiatrists multiply their

> income by talking people out of lack and back into self-esteem.

personally i don't care if i offend them or not; i was shocked when

i found out part of their (psychiatrists - i don't think a

psychologist education includes this) education includes learning how

to make patients dependent on them ie. break down the personality

that doesn't/isn't working and rebuild it while they prop up the

incomplete 'new' personality - sheesh

also seems to me there is more to esteem than one qualifer ie. 'self'

uh oh, i nearly ended up heading into 'another' rant LOLOL

February 18, 2003

In a message dated 2/18/2003 2:14:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,

aduladi@... writes:

<< Sheesh .. what a moron you're doctor is. Why do you

think they make the commercials that way? >>

LOL--so true!!!

March 7, 2003

I totally agree with you Max. Even more so, I think that grief in certain

times is totally human and natural. Taking pills so that you don't have

emotions is insane. Furthermore, any of my friends who took these sorts of

things even for minor problems ended up in a really bad way after taking

them! Lastly, many of the drugs are almost identical to cocaine!

Prescribed street drugs is what they are. I think the solution is to get

people to sort out their lives so that negativity etc are removed as much as

possible!

Do you know what a known possible side effect of taking a child of Ritalin

is (withdrawal symptom)?? Suicide!!!! Yeah that a really good solution!

Not!

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