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Joy Rothke wrote:

> k, so what about those of us wanting to do our versions of thieves

> blend? I'm irate at the cost of 15 mils.....I would like my clove bud and

> cinnamon leaf to be stronger for diffusing and in making cleaners.and I can

> cut that back for an antibacterial soap for the hands....but 30 bucks for 15

> mils?how can we help this planet or people heal if only the rich can afford

> it? evie

>

>

> I've purchased Thieves blend from various online purveyors [birch Hill

> Aromatherapy, Scented Realm] for $6-10 for 5ml.

>

> -Joy

>

What's in " thieves Blend " ?

I've come accross a few old cologne recipes for " 4 thieves "

colognes...in fact I'm pretty sure there is one in the files somewhere...

$30 for 15 mls doesn't strike me as excessively expensive for any blend

to be quite honest.

Ambrosia

http://www.perfumebynature.com.au

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> $30 for 15 mls doesn't strike me as excessively expensive for any

> blend

> to be quite honest.

No and it's a problem. Exactly as in photography or graphics, or 1000

other arts, when rank amateurs start selling their services and

products for way cheap, the entire profession suffers (speaking from

experience). Those blends for cheap should properly be called

" aromatherapy blends. " Not that there's anything wrong there, but

they are not true, ornate, complex, artistic, professional

compositions, they are not truly perfume the way most think of perfume.

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>> $30 for 15 mls doesn't strike me as excessively expensive for any

>> blend

>> to be quite honest.

>>

Hi Ambrosia:

No, that's fine for a blend that they just copied from a history book

without having to spend months formulating. Also, the ingredients are

quite inexpensive for the Thieves blend.

I hope folks here realize it's not a perfume - it's meant to be worn on

a cloth or mask over your nose and mouth when you are walking through

the streets of a plague-ravaged city to protect you from the microbes.

Just sayin'.

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Sincerely, Anya

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I have two 16 ounce bottles of what goes into thieves blend and from a very good

source, I didn't spend thirty on those. I might have if I  bought 3 bottles and

one oil that goes into thieves is extremely economical.....and it is eo, all off

them. When I blend mine, 15 mils won't be even approached....I care enough about

my home, my family''s health, the average consumer and I can sell in larger

quantity for less making rebalancing my 'tiny place in the earth' better and non

toxic.

 

I have better than 25 years of herbs under my belt, 10 in pharmacy and I know

markups. To see 30.00 for such a little amount inmho is all to do with 'money' .

There are those out there who have been 'brainwashed' to think if its cheaper

its not as good.....that is not true. This is why there are pre-buy and co-ops.

You can buy in large amounts sometimes for less than what a 15-30 mil product

that is sold for.

 

I would be interested in seeing some of these companies books, I would LOVE to

see what they buy their eo's for.

 

example......lets use phamacy .....generic lasix is 2.00 for 1000 count bottle.

Most buy 30 for a month.....at a minimum of their insurance co-pay, in my case,

15.00. I have just paid for that bottle and then some.......and look how many

more scripts they have to fill.

 

So I am buying in large one bottle a time until I have enough to blend and I

will not sell for 30.00. I can make a profit with a lower price and repeat sales

is what will keep this blend a constant allowing me to buy in larger and larger

amounts .

 

I manage money pretty well. (as long as I " m the one managing it) . I can grow it

when its only my fingers in that pie ......so when I have several lbs of each

oil that goes into theives blend.......I will still be making a profit, the

reason I want to do it is keep my side of the street clean and I have an immense

conscience.  I have found that many people pay for the 'brand' or

'name'........that does not mean its better. Its also proven that affordable

facial creams are as good a 300.00 facial creams........I do my own, to me its

worth a million and I know what its in it because I hand picked each ingredient.

 

If you sell a brand , thats fine, I've done that . Having been on both sides of

the counter in the health fields, both herbal and pharmaceutical.....I know that

cost does not = affordability. I did MLM. I also saw my mom who didn't have

money buy things she could not afford because she is one of those people you can

'peg' for a sale . I can't do that.

 

It is my hopes to help in make available things to those who are not the elite

or who won't spend their last dime for a natural product. If we are to make a

change in this planet....then we need to rethink what we make and how much we

sell it for.

 

Perfumes? OY........now THAT i can see, the most I've ever spent I wont say but

suffice it to be a teaspoon of jasmine LOL!

 

dang sandalwood over harvesters......if its 1000.00 for a lb.......I'm pretty

sure I wont be buying a teaspoon of mysore LOL!

 

evie

 

 

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adam,

this is sold not as a perfume but rather as keeping ones environment in

diffusing cleaner and in place of several things....its not meant to be worn.

 

you can add it to home made cleansers for the house or a homemade lysol

etc.....its antibacterial, antiviral, antiseptic and antifungal......people are

trying to formulate this into hand sanitizers , diffusing it in diffusers to

keep the air in the home safer so one really has to know how much is 'enough'

because as we breathe in, thats going IN as well. I like the idea of a timed

diffuser if you are gone it will spray a few times and then cut it off when you

get home.

 

It is in no way for perfumery.  I have diffused a few drops in a tea lite and it

calmed a cough but only a mil with water.......much like when you put that stuff

in a vaporizer to open your kids nose....

 

perfumery doesn't factor in here. I know how much that costs......thieves blend

in no way has a thing to do with perfumery.........I can see a little being used

in hand soaps. I do know an old man who makes a clove, cinnamon and rosemary

soap and that man has have had a sick day in 80 years......

 

but thieves is not in the perfume line. Cloves, Cinnamon, Lemon eo, Rosemary eo

or eucaplyptus, there are several eo's you can swap with the same

properties.....is for alteranative uses than lysol sprays etc..........with skin

staph on the rise, airborn flu virus' , athletes feet.......this is simply a

formula to switch the chemicals that are sold.

 

perfumery and natural oils for the above mentioned don't really have anything to

do with each other.

 

perfumery I can see the high cost , but that makes a good thieves blend is not

that expensive to make......its just sold at an enourmous price. I have organic

oils from a very reputable supplier. The oils in thieves dont cost what the oils

in perfumery cost. There is an abundance of that which is sold as thieves blend

to be purchased at very reasonable rates.

 

I've made oil blends since my kids were little......my eldest is 27.

 

I've done a jasmine blend for my daughter (gulp) with eo's so I know the cost.

But these two blends have nothing in common. One is simply for protection.

 

I see we have a first year pharmacy student. I'm glad to see her here. She'll

have some info that will benefit and I just might have to pm her about a formula

I'm doing LOL!

 

hugs,

evie

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Thats where I first saw that Joy.....and you know, I am just bound and

determined to make a line of products that will help the planet and my fellow

man.  People like my mom are easy targets. She'll spend her grocery money on

what is sold as ' having magical and natural properties'.......and it breaks my 

heart,  I have a friend who will only use a certain companies product that has

been proven to be unequal to a lesser priced item...

 

I guess its part of my character defect.....I can't save the world, I can make

things that are better for people.  I can make that blend and use organic uncut

eo's.  But I want to make a difference and everyone should have access to such

things but I would sell it premixed. We live in a society that thinks 'if one

mil is good then I'll use 10'......thus the need to protect us from our selves.

 

I could not afford that not so long ago. I began to make soap and then got into

some nice groups, natural groups that buy in , the more people who buy in , the

less amount of cost for each of us......I chose to do that for the thieves

blend. If only a small potion can buy this, especially now with the economical

disaster.....then its a moot point. 

 

Perfumes are a luxury and an art.....that I can see the cost easily. But the

eo's that go into thieves are not that expensive.  In fact there is an abundance

of them. Granted, a lot of research should be done to balance this blend .  But

given the state of our planet, our bodies and the overuse of chemicals like

triclosan and others......then I choose to make this afordable to all.  My cost

will be the bottles....I'd love to sell the diffusers. Diffused, one would think

the blend wouldnt smell nice but it does. I love it. 

 

I'll not argue the point further. I've sort of dominated the perfumery board and

this has nothing to do with perfumery so i do apologize.

 

Sorry group. wont happen again. And Joy, I meant no disrespect to you

whatseover...none at all.

 

Evie

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