Re: I think I figured out how RIFM came up with .02%.

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studentofperfumery wrote:

> As the subject line says, I think I figured out how RIFM came up with

> .02% max methyleugenol concentration within a perfume.

>

> Before I go into the how, though, I want to use the percent to

> calculate the allowable amount of 3.5%-methyleugenol rose oil.

>

> If methyleugenol is allowed at .02% in the finished good (20%

> perfume), and a rose oil containing 3.5% methyleugenol is used, then

> only .57142% of that rose oil would be allowed in the finished good.

> The calculation is ((.02/3.5)*100).

>

>

> *** Now here is the how. ***

>

>

Snipped tremendous post. First, Jen, I'm sorry nobody jumped in to help

- aren't there any math wizards here?

I'm going to take your post and run it by two or three folks I know can

help, and I'll get back to you.

Honestly, it's hardworking folks like Jen who reach out and help - or

ask for help - and get no response that might move us closer to a

private group, populated only by those who really take part and assist

each other. This NP group can remain for hobbyists, but the really

dynamic, community-minded members deserve a place of their own, don't

you think?

--

Sincerely, Anya

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> I'm going to take your post and run it by two or three folks I know

can help, and I'll get back to you.

(Big smile)

> This NP group can remain for hobbyists, but the really dynamic,

community-minded members deserve a place of their own, don't you think?

Anya, I can see these two things working well. A split purpose. One is

more work and the other more play, so the uber duber workhorses get a

stable of their own. And when they want something lighter, they know

they still have a home.

Jen

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> Snipped tremendous post. First, Jen, I'm sorry nobody jumped in to help

> - aren't there any math wizards here?

> I'm going to take your post and run it by two or three folks I know can

> help, and I'll get back to you.

>

> Honestly, it's hardworking folks like Jen who reach out and help - or

> ask for help - and get no response that might move us closer to a

> private group, populated only by those who really take part and assist > each

other. This NP group can remain for hobbyists, but the really > dynamic,

community-minded members deserve a place of their own, don't > you think?

>

How could it be possible that the presence of hobbyists was impeding or

discouraging the

more dynamic members from participating?? This makes no sense. It is posts

like this

one, though, that discourage me, a hobbyist from feeling like I belong and like

my

questions or answers are valued here.

Felicia

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Anya wrote;

> > I'm going to take your post and run it by two or

> three folks I know

> can help, and I'll get back to you.

>

> (Big smile)

>

> > This NP group can remain for hobbyists, but the really

> dynamic,

> community-minded members deserve a place of their own,

> don't you think?

>

> Anya, I can see these two things working well. A split

> purpose. One is

> more work and the other more play, so the uber duber

> workhorses get a

> stable of their own. And when they want something lighter,

> they know

> they still have a home.

>

>

> Jen

>

Hi Jen -

I finally took time to read through your post this morning (quick read)and

everything seemed good. I know I won't have any time before Monday to look

again (more in depth read) but I'm very interested in this stuff as well.

Elise

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thebigyellowbird wrote:

> more dynamic members from participating?? This makes no sense. It is posts

like this

> one, though, that discourage me, a hobbyist from feeling like I belong and

like my

> questions or answers are valued here.

>

> Felicia

>

Hi Felicia:

I think Jen said it well, and got the intent, which was to realize that

there might be at least two levels of participation. With 1700 members,

it is evident that some might need a bit of a think tank, but that

wouldn't have any impact on the rest of the group, and info would still,

of course be shared and welcome here. We look more for what connects us

than what separates us. I remember being put in a lunchtime discussion

group for those of us who wanted to discuss civics. I think it was the

fourth grade. We were still in the school with everyone every day, we

just took a little extra time for our particular endeavors. Everybody

was happy, and the other students who didn't want to participate, didn't.

--

Sincerely, Anya

Anya's Garden http://AnyasGarden.com - perfumes, aromatics, classes,

consultation

Natural Perfumers Guild + blog with daily updates

http://NaturalPerfumersGuild.blogspot.com

1600+ member Natural Perfumery group -

http://health./group//

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> I finally took time to read through your post this morning (quick

read)and everything seemed good. I know I won't have any time before

Monday to look again (more in depth read) but I'm very interested in

this stuff as well.

Thanks, Elise, for the quick look-over. It makes me happy to know that

others in this wonderful forum are checking my work for glaring errors.

Jen

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>

As the subject line says, I think I figured out how RIFM came up

with .02% max methyleugenol concentration within a perfume.

.....The median, then, would be 5 small drops of 10.504% rose oil perfume

> per day. Doable aroma concentration.

>

> ~Jen

Hi Jen

I edited all your amazing calculations, and just want to say - WOW!

and

OUCH

Wow - because maths is not my stong point

and

Ouch - because the work you've clearly put into all of this is making

me quake at the thought of doing calculations like that for every eoil

& absolute etc, which contain known irritants, and other

chemical 'offenders'.

Taking it further, given seasonal and other factors, each bottle we buy

will need to come with a chemical profile, every time we buy, so we

know exactly what we're getting.

Your work on this also has me rueful and sad, because this is why big

companies who make synths can sell a synth product for such outrageous

amounts of money ... they're using standardised, single molecule

fragrances, cheap for them to produce, and just sloshing them in at

fixed ratios in a mass-production environment.

The paranoid amongst us might wonder if some of the complexities of

regulation - masquerading[?] as safety issues - haven't been invented

to make life very hard for NP-ers.

Margi

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> studentofperfumery wrote:

> As the subject line says, I think I figured out how RIFM came up with

> .02% max methyleugenol concentration within a perfume.

I'd like to know what the whole thing is about in the first place. to my

kowledge rose petals are non toxic. and rose oil and rosewater safe to use on

skin for any application. Non irritant, non toxic....

You can eat roses fer Crisake.

So how can a skin application be a problem?

Ambrosia

http://www.perfumebynature.com.au

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ambrosia6@... wrote:

>> studentofperfumery wrote:

>>

>> As the subject line says, I think I figured out how RIFM came up with

>> .02% max methyleugenol concentration within a perfume.

>>

> I'd like to know what the whole thing is about in the first place. to my

kowledge rose petals are non toxic. and rose oil and rosewater safe to use on

skin for any application. Non irritant, non toxic....

> You can eat roses fer Crisake.

>

The long answer:

http://www.naturalperfumers.com/IFRA_EU_boycott_primer.pdf

and all the archived blogs listed here:

http://anyasgarden.blogspot.com/2008/12/pass-me-oakmoss-and-crooked-banana-im.ht\

ml

Sincerely, everyone involved in the production of perfumes or body care

products should be aware of what is going on, and join the fight to turn

back the idiotic laws. I'll have more on this later this week and I've

joined forces with some folks and we're collaborating to protect artisan

crafters - not just aroma folks, but food and beverage ones, too.

Strength in numbers.

Short answer:

Become more aware of who is governing your business and curse the

Scandanavian dermatologists who started the mess.

--

Sincerely, Anya

Anya's Garden http://AnyasGarden.com - perfumes, aromatics, classes,

consultation

Natural Perfumers Guild + blog with daily updates

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