Re: TOTD 121808: composer? designer? creator?

[Guest guest]

Composer or creator but my perfumes are always " perfume

compositions, " because to me they are always musical.

[Guest guest]

um......is 'channelor out?

[Guest guest]

Adam Gottschalk wrote:

> Anya asks that you read the following great article:

>

> http://www.sniffapaloozamagazine.com/profumointerveiwdec08.html

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> And then answer the following question:

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> " Do group members call themselves perfume creators, composers,

> designers, makers? "

>

Salaam's take on the terminology really made me think, and I know I have

slipped into " creator " in the past few years, but I realize that is not

correct. I often say " creating perfume " when I am talking to others, or

writing to my students. I'll rethink how to word it in the future. Prior

to that it was always " designer " since my background is art and design.

I've never called myself a perfume composer, and " maker " seems like

somebody who pushes a button on an assembly line of fake " designer "

perfumes, so never that, either. In the Primer for class, I use an

analogy of the design of a garden.

My original slogan for Anya's Garden was " Natural perfume, by design "

but I've kind of wandered away from that. Maybe I'll wander back ;-)

--

Sincerely, Anya

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consultation

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[Guest guest]

Adam Gottschalk wrote:

> Anya asks that you read the following great article:

>

> http://www.sniffapaloozamagazine.com/profumointerveiwdec08.html

>

> And then answer the following question:

>

> " Do group members call themselves perfume creators, composers,

> designers, makers? "

>

>

Hi Folks.....

I read the article, and I agree that it is definitely worth the read...

A lot of the ways this question could be answered depends on semantics....

That is, how one takes the terms creators, composers, designers, makers....

Dominique Dubrana has interesting takes on some of these terms.....in a

sense, it almost seems like they are taken as one and the same, maybe

being different facets of being a Natural Perfumer...

I like the philosophy...

That being said.....I consider myself a dabbler....But there are aspects

in what I've done.....

I've tried to make perfumes, for myself mostly.....only recently working

on one with someone else in mind....

Making...Composing...Designing...seem to be elements of the same thing....

I loved his statement in the article.... " 'Create' is a big word for a

small creature. I have created nothing. " That kinda hit home with the

way I look at things....

I don't know if that's the answer to the question, because it's a little

more complex than it appears to be on the surface....

--

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

A.J.P. (GIA)

[Guest guest]

I might be thinking about this too simplistically but instead of describing

oneself as a perfume composer/creator/designer, etc. how about just describing

oneself as a PERFUMER or Natural Perfumer? (On the other hand, I do like 's

characterization " dabbler " . That fits me to the bill! LOL)

Take care, Simone.

[Guest guest]

I say " artist " because I come from a visual arts background; I see

scent as colour as well as taste and fragrance.

It's nice to see someone else link up frangrance and teas...I do

that, as well as paints and inks. I approach perfumery as I do all

these other disciplines--from the ground up, usually from a

very 'craftsmanlike' perspective.

e.g.: When learning iconography, I learned how to make gesso and

paints from scratch. Similarly with teas, both the common loose-leaf

and the more ancient tea bricks of puerh tea.

Greyson

Manna Oils

[Guest guest]

I'd Pick these two too... : PERFUMER or Natural Perfumer

[Guest guest]

I see some posts where folks are stating they call themselves " perfumer "

- of course! ;-)

But that wasn't what the question was about. I call myself a perfumer,

and I say I design perfumes. Salaam calls himself a perfumer and says he

composes perfumes.

So when someone asks me about the perfume process I say " I design

perfumes. " You can't just say " I perfume perfumes, " , lol. If you're an

artist, as one stated, well, that's at the heart of the question - do

you compose/make/create/compose/design? Well, some might say conjure or

construct. It's the verb I'm looking for, not the noun.

--

Sincerely, Anya

Anya's Garden http://AnyasGarden.com - perfumes, aromatics, classes,

consultation

Natural Perfumers Guild + blog with daily updates

http://NaturalPerfumersGuild.blogspot.com

1600+ member Natural Perfumery group -

http://health./group//

[Guest guest]

>

> Anya asks that you read the following great article:

>

> http://www.sniffapaloozamagazine.com/profumointerveiwdec08.html

>

> And then answer the following question:

>

> " Do group members call themselves perfume creators, composers,

> designers, makers? "

>

Uh... Perfume chef? Hee hee... (Yes, yes, it takes a lot of talent

and experience to truly be termed a chef) Okay, now to be serious.

This was a really good article for all of us to read. Lots of

excellent points. I've never called myself a creator. I don't think

any human really has that right. No matter what we're " making " , be it

by putting molecules together in different ways, or even splitting

bits and pieces and putting only parts of them together -- as in many

modern sciences, or by putting colors together to make a painting, or

molding clay or chipping at stone to make sculpture, or blending

spices in food or oils etc. in perfume - we're not creating anything.

All the bits were already created. So what term would I choose? I

think composer or designer is closest to what I feel it is that we do.

I think " make " is too close to " create " , even if those words are

handy in a pinch when we're shooting from the hip trying to describe

to the uninitiated what we do. I still don't think that any of the

words above fits me well enough. So while composer and designer come

close, the jury's still out. I'd like to take myself more seriously

than to say I dabble. Even if I do dabble with intent... (Maybe I'm

just kidding myself, and really, what's wrong with being a dabbler?

Not a darned thing!)

Cheers!

Andrine