Primal Defense

[Guest guest]

>>>> The bio-kult product from England seems to be somewhat similar

to Primal Defense without all the extra stuff that PD puts in their

stuff.

There is another one called EarthFood that sounds similar too and

probably many others.

>>>>Plus, their probiotics are not soil based but grown on malto-

dextrin.

Well, I think that is where Garden of Life seems to be taking some

liberties with their marketing wording. First, the microbes in the

soil are not necessarily the same ones in the human gut (for example,

we don't make use of the nitrogen-fixing ones directly). Then, it

seems quite a stretch, to say the least, that the soil microbes are

taken up in the plant and then we eat the plants and thus ingest the

microbes. That is how minerals may work but they are not alive.

Microbes are different and I can't recall any mention at all of

probiotic microbes migrating this way and impacting human health.

The basic idea of probiotics in a balanced culture living in an

optimal environment with adequate food sources so they can thrive and

populate is great. And the basic idea of getting nutrition in whole-

food sources is sound. And the idea of fixing gut health so it takes

care of itself (as much as possible) instead of relying on tubs of

synthetic supplements is wonderful.

.

[Guest guest]

Try _www.iherb.com_ (http://www.iherb.com)

They have the best prices on many items.

In a message dated 6/17/2004 11:24:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,

tina23ii@... writes:

Where does everyone buy the primal defense. I`m having trouble

finding it in powder form

[Guest guest]

I buy mine at Vitamin Shoppe. They always have the powder form in

stock. If you don't have a store near you, you can order it from them

on line at vitaminshoppe.com.--Tod

> Where does everyone buy the primal defense. I`m having trouble

> finding it in powder form. Not sure if my son can absorb the hard

> pill. I crush it, but still i`d prefer the powder form. Thanks. Tina

[Guest guest]

Tina,

I like iherb.com:

http://www.iherb.com/primaldefense1.html

On Thursday, June 17, 2004, at 08:20 AM, pennington1994 wrote:

> Where does everyone buy the primal defense. I`m having trouble

> finding it in powder form. Not sure if my son can absorb the hard

> pill. I crush it, but still i`d prefer the powder form. Thanks. Tina

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

don't have much time right this minute to cut and paste all I found when I

did a search, but I found several places online that offer the powder. I

searched the Dogpile, and typed in " primal defense powder " . Good luck!

check out www.betterlife.com looks like a pretty good price, but you might

could do better.

God Bless!

Debbie

-- Primal Defense

Where does everyone buy the primal defense. I`m having trouble

finding it in powder form. Not sure if my son can absorb the hard

pill. I crush it, but still i`d prefer the powder form. Thanks. Tina

[Guest guest]

Thanks to all who gave me advice on where to get Primal Defense. Tina

[Guest guest]

By me, the Vitaminshoppe has it and so does the HFS.

> Where does everyone buy the primal defense. I`m having trouble

> finding it in powder form. Not sure if my son can absorb the hard

> pill. I crush it, but still i`d prefer the powder form. Thanks.

Tina

[Guest guest]

I bought the Perfect Food on ebay about half-price. The person

offered the entire line. There are several sellers there that just

keep stock so you can get it anytime.

.

> > Where does everyone buy the primal defense. I`m having trouble

> > finding it in powder form.

[Guest guest]

i missed the original post and am curious to read it as well.

erica z

> Someone previously posted a message about primal defense...

(Sorry,

> I couldn't find the original message to reply to since there are

so

> many postings on this board!)

> Anyway, this person said that in one of Jini Patel 's

books

> on digestive health, she had revoked her recommendation of p.d.

> because of some information that she had received from the Natren,

> Inc. founder, Natasha Trenev. But didn't specify any

> articles or sources of information.

> I was a little concerned since I've been taking Primal Defense,

so I

> tried to contact but couldn't find any contact info, and

I

> successfully contacted Natren, Inc. but only received this message:

>

> " Thank you for writing.

>

> Unfortunately, we are legally not at liberty to comment on

another

> company's product.

>

> If you would like to do some research on specific strains, we

can

> suggest the following web site:

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi

>

> For any questions on Natren probiotics, please feel free to

call

> our Consumer Direct Division toll free at

> 1-866-462-8736, Monday through Friday from 7:00 a.m. to 5:00

p.m.,

> Pacific Time. One of our experienced

> Probiotic Consultants will be happy to assist you.

>

> Best regards,

>

> The Natren Response Dept. "

>

> Does anyone know how to get in touch with ? ... or what do

> people think? Do you think that 's disclaimer is based on

> valid information?

>

> Can someone also, by the way, tell me what the subject line of the

> original thread on this was?

>

> Thanks.

[Guest guest]

OK, well I just heard back from Jini Patel. Here is what she had to

say on primal defense:

" Primal Defense does tend to work well for people initially - as I

said in my letter [in her book], bacterial soil organisms are

aggressive competitors in the gut and so clear out existing pathogens

like yeast, fungus, etc. However, the primary concern is with the

long-term implications of populating the gut with such hardy spore-

formers and the fact that to date there is no known way to eliminate

them. I've heard from readers now who've taken the product for

varying lengths of time (some up to a year) and then experienced

severe flares and/or tender masses in the lower right quadrant of

their colon (for some reason). Anyway, here's some research on some

bacterial soil organism species and you can read up and then do what

you feel is best for you. "

And here are the links that she gave me. Any help in exploring them

would be greatly appreciated...

" Bacterial Soil Organisms:

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March 19, 2004 "

> > Someone previously posted a message about primal defense...

> (Sorry,

> > I couldn't find the original message to reply to since there are

> so

> > many postings on this board!)

> > Anyway, this person said that in one of Jini Patel 's

> books

> > on digestive health, she had revoked her recommendation of p.d.

> > because of some information that she had received from the

Natren,

> > Inc. founder, Natasha Trenev. But didn't specify any

> > articles or sources of information.

> > I was a little concerned since I've been taking Primal Defense,

> so I

> > tried to contact but couldn't find any contact info, and

> I

> > successfully contacted Natren, Inc. but only received this

message:

> >

> > " Thank you for writing.

> >

> > Unfortunately, we are legally not at liberty to comment on

> another

> > company's product.

> >

> > If you would like to do some research on specific strains, we

> can

> > suggest the following web site:

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi

> >

> > For any questions on Natren probiotics, please feel free to

> call

> > our Consumer Direct Division toll free at

> > 1-866-462-8736, Monday through Friday from 7:00 a.m. to 5:00

> p.m.,

> > Pacific Time. One of our experienced

> > Probiotic Consultants will be happy to assist you.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > The Natren Response Dept. "

> >

> > Does anyone know how to get in touch with ? ... or what

do

> > people think? Do you think that 's disclaimer is based on

> > valid information?

> >

> > Can someone also, by the way, tell me what the subject line of

the

> > original thread on this was?

> >

> > Thanks.

[Guest guest]

oh boy, i certainly don't have time to review those studies.

hmm, so perhaps it would be wise to use primal defense on an on/off

basis? or are you going to stop using it entirely?

erica z

> > > Someone previously posted a message about primal defense...

> > (Sorry,

> > > I couldn't find the original message to reply to since there

are

> > so

> > > many postings on this board!)

> > > Anyway, this person said that in one of Jini Patel 's

> > books

> > > on digestive health, she had revoked her recommendation of

p.d.

> > > because of some information that she had received from the

> Natren,

> > > Inc. founder, Natasha Trenev. But didn't specify any

> > > articles or sources of information.

> > > I was a little concerned since I've been taking Primal

Defense,

> > so I

> > > tried to contact but couldn't find any contact info,

and

> > I

> > > successfully contacted Natren, Inc. but only received this

> message:

> > >

> > > " Thank you for writing.

> > >

> > > Unfortunately, we are legally not at liberty to comment on

> > another

> > > company's product.

> > >

> > > If you would like to do some research on specific strains,

we

> > can

> > > suggest the following web site:

> > >

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi

> > >

> > > For any questions on Natren probiotics, please feel free to

> > call

> > > our Consumer Direct Division toll free at

> > > 1-866-462-8736, Monday through Friday from 7:00 a.m. to 5:00

> > p.m.,

> > > Pacific Time. One of our experienced

> > > Probiotic Consultants will be happy to assist you.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > The Natren Response Dept. "

> > >

> > > Does anyone know how to get in touch with ? ... or

what

> do

> > > people think? Do you think that 's disclaimer is based

on

> > > valid information?

> > >

> > > Can someone also, by the way, tell me what the subject line of

> the

> > > original thread on this was?

> > >

> > > Thanks.

[Guest guest]

i wanted to add that i took it before getting pregnant and then

stopped during my first trimester. i recently (like a week ago)

bought more and started taking it. i am a nursing mom and am

certainly interested in whether or not this is a wise supplement for

me. i called the company and asked about any implications for a

nursing mom and they referred me to my pediatrician. i asked her and

after reading the ingredients told me she felt it was safe.

erica z

> > > Someone previously posted a message about primal defense...

> > (Sorry,

> > > I couldn't find the original message to reply to since there

are

> > so

> > > many postings on this board!)

> > > Anyway, this person said that in one of Jini Patel 's

> > books

> > > on digestive health, she had revoked her recommendation of

p.d.

> > > because of some information that she had received from the

> Natren,

> > > Inc. founder, Natasha Trenev. But didn't specify any

> > > articles or sources of information.

> > > I was a little concerned since I've been taking Primal

Defense,

> > so I

> > > tried to contact but couldn't find any contact info,

and

> > I

> > > successfully contacted Natren, Inc. but only received this

> message:

> > >

> > > " Thank you for writing.

> > >

> > > Unfortunately, we are legally not at liberty to comment on

> > another

> > > company's product.

> > >

> > > If you would like to do some research on specific strains,

we

> > can

> > > suggest the following web site:

> > >

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi

> > >

> > > For any questions on Natren probiotics, please feel free to

> > call

> > > our Consumer Direct Division toll free at

> > > 1-866-462-8736, Monday through Friday from 7:00 a.m. to 5:00

> > p.m.,

> > > Pacific Time. One of our experienced

> > > Probiotic Consultants will be happy to assist you.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > The Natren Response Dept. "

> > >

> > > Does anyone know how to get in touch with ? ... or

what

> do

> > > people think? Do you think that 's disclaimer is based

on

> > > valid information?

> > >

> > > Can someone also, by the way, tell me what the subject line of

> the

> > > original thread on this was?

> > >

> > > Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Hi, I've read some of the articles and they seem to say that B.

Lichenformis and B. Subtilis can be harmful if you're immuno-

suppressed. That is, they can, if not cause, then at least

contribute to health problems. There were some kind of scary articles

on animal experiments where b. lichenformis administered on its own

created some serious problems (blood problems and I think some other

stuff). But, I haven't read all the articles and what they say is

quite technical so hard to understand.

I've stopped taking it and am going to ask the doctor who

recommended it to me to read the articles. Hopefully he'll have time

to because I'd really like another opinion on this. As someone

mentioned in the original posts, these articles are coming from a

person/company producing a rival product (though the data seemed a

little scary).

Also, I wonder... if these bacilli are part of the soil then maybe

they are not really that bad for you in moderation. People did used

to eat more dirt than they do now, it seems, what with having more

gardens/getting food directly from nature, and as a result they

probably ate these bacilli. Of course, I don't know how the amounts

of " HSOs " in primal defense compare to soil... are the amounts more

concentrated and thus not good for you? On the other hand, people

didn't really eat dirt directly.. although they ate clay...

Anyway, I hope more people are reading this post...

I'll post any information I get from my doc if he reads the articles.

> > > > Someone previously posted a message about primal defense...

> > > (Sorry,

> > > > I couldn't find the original message to reply to since there

> are

> > > so

> > > > many postings on this board!)

> > > > Anyway, this person said that in one of Jini Patel

's

> > > books

> > > > on digestive health, she had revoked her recommendation of

> p.d.

> > > > because of some information that she had received from the

> > Natren,

> > > > Inc. founder, Natasha Trenev. But didn't specify any

> > > > articles or sources of information.

> > > > I was a little concerned since I've been taking Primal

> Defense,

> > > so I

> > > > tried to contact but couldn't find any contact info,

> and

> > > I

> > > > successfully contacted Natren, Inc. but only received this

> > message:

> > > >

> > > > " Thank you for writing.

> > > >

> > > > Unfortunately, we are legally not at liberty to comment on

> > > another

> > > > company's product.

> > > >

> > > > If you would like to do some research on specific strains,

> we

> > > can

> > > > suggest the following web site:

> > > >

> > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi

> > > >

> > > > For any questions on Natren probiotics, please feel free to

> > > call

> > > > our Consumer Direct Division toll free at

> > > > 1-866-462-8736, Monday through Friday from 7:00 a.m. to

5:00

> > > p.m.,

> > > > Pacific Time. One of our experienced

> > > > Probiotic Consultants will be happy to assist you.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > >

> > > > The Natren Response Dept. "

> > > >

> > > > Does anyone know how to get in touch with ? ... or

> what

> > do

> > > > people think? Do you think that 's disclaimer is

based

> on

> > > > valid information?

> > > >

> > > > Can someone also, by the way, tell me what the subject line

of

> > the

> > > > original thread on this was?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks.

[Guest guest]

--- In , " cbrown889 " <cbrown889@h...>

wrote:

> Also, I wonder... if these bacilli are part of the soil then maybe

> they are not really that bad for you in moderation. People did used

> to eat more dirt than they do now, it seems, what with having more

> gardens/getting food directly from nature, and as a result they

> probably ate these bacilli. Of course, I don't know how the amounts

> of " HSOs " in primal defense compare to soil... are the amounts more

> concentrated and thus not good for you? On the other hand, people

> didn't really eat dirt directly.. although they ate clay...

hi

i'm taking primal defense and am concerned about it, too.

i dont' know a lot about the technical side of it but from a lay POV

it seems reasonable that people used to get a lot more dirt into

their bodies. these days everyone seems so concerned about dirt and

germs they scrub everything and disinfect everything and have washes

for produce. maker's diet author says that people used to injest

dirt bacteria because kids played in the dirt. yah, now a lot of

kids are raised in a city and might not even see dirt! we used to

play in the mud - it was so much fun! hehe another way people got

dirt would be just by default since they weren't scrubbing their

hands all the time like we do today. look at a lot of old-timey

pictures and people have smudges of dirt on them and their hands are

dirty, too. and for a long time people either foraged for their

produce (which would get dirt on their hands) or grew it theirselves

(which would also get dirt on their hands).

so <sigh> i dunno... does that theory/those examples ring true with

others?

vera

PS i thought you asked very good questions and i'm curious to see an

answer especially as to how many HSO's are in primal defense VS how

many HSO's people may have injested, on average, in the past.

[Guest guest]

interesting that the negative comments came from a rival company.

sigh.

i look forward to hearing what your doc has to say after reading the

articles.

erica z

>

> > Also, I wonder... if these bacilli are part of the soil then

maybe

> > they are not really that bad for you in moderation. People did

used

> > to eat more dirt than they do now, it seems, what with having

more

> > gardens/getting food directly from nature, and as a result they

> > probably ate these bacilli. Of course, I don't know how the

amounts

> > of " HSOs " in primal defense compare to soil... are the amounts

more

> > concentrated and thus not good for you? On the other hand,

people

> > didn't really eat dirt directly.. although they ate clay...

>

> hi

>

> i'm taking primal defense and am concerned about it, too.

>

> i dont' know a lot about the technical side of it but from a lay

POV

> it seems reasonable that people used to get a lot more dirt into

> their bodies. these days everyone seems so concerned about dirt

and

> germs they scrub everything and disinfect everything and have

washes

> for produce. maker's diet author says that people used to injest

> dirt bacteria because kids played in the dirt. yah, now a lot of

> kids are raised in a city and might not even see dirt! we used to

> play in the mud - it was so much fun! hehe another way people got

> dirt would be just by default since they weren't scrubbing their

> hands all the time like we do today. look at a lot of old-timey

> pictures and people have smudges of dirt on them and their hands

are

> dirty, too. and for a long time people either foraged for their

> produce (which would get dirt on their hands) or grew it

theirselves

> (which would also get dirt on their hands).

>

> so <sigh> i dunno... does that theory/those examples ring true

with

> others?

>

> vera

> PS i thought you asked very good questions and i'm curious to see

an

> answer especially as to how many HSO's are in primal defense VS

how

> many HSO's people may have injested, on average, in the past.

[Guest guest]

Just wondering has anyone experienced severe indigeston after taking primal

defense. I just cant figure what else would be causing this.

Thanks,

Stacie

>From: " Stacie Hall " <staciehall40@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: fibrin

>Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 20:52:02 -0500

>

>Can anyone tell me what they mean by fibrin in the blood, I hear alot of

>people talk about this.

>

>Thanks,

>Stacie

>

> >From: " JOSEPH PALANCA " <juliejp61@...>

> >Reply-

> >< >

> >Subject: Re: JULIE: codes

> >Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:03:53 -0600

> >

> >Beth, I emiled them to you privately! Love

> > JULIE: codes

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hey ,

> >

> > When you get a chance, can you send me the codes? I am more

> > interested in this for my daughter. Her stomach hurts every time

> > she eats almost, sometimes to the point of upset stomach or gas.

> > She has a varried diet, so it has become impossible to pick out any

> > offending foods. After many gastro tests, her doctor has said there

> > is nothing physicaly wrong with her and she just has a nervous

> > stomach. I'm not really buying this, so I'd like to try the test.

> >

> > hugs,

> > Beth

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Stacie,

It's a sign that you really need probiotics!

Think of it as a war going on between the good and bad

organisms! . . . If you become too uncomfortable, cut

back on Primal Defense and gradually build up. It's

doing it's job!

Rogene

[Guest guest]

--- My problem was with bacteria. I took Primal Defense hoping it

would help. PD got rid of the bacteria momentarily but it also got

rid of the yeast so my bacteria came back more than ever. Yes, I

would try PD to help with yeast.

In , " lyle and diane vrana "

<lv2tch@u...> wrote:

> Is Primal Defense another good yeast fighter to use? Does anyone

have experience with this product? Is it something that is safe to

give on an on-going basis to keep the yeast away? I saw it

advertised as such on another website:

http://stores.diannecraft.org/Detail.bok?no=49

>

> My son cannot take GSE, as he is on Zoloft. We just treated for

yeast, with Diflucan, and I thought it was pretty successful, but we

haven't gone in for follow up testing just yet. However, I noticed

his behavior has seemed to get worse since being off of the

Diflucan. Does this mean the yeast is not gone? He's had more

tantrums now again, and is very " edgy. " This had seemed to improve

on the Diflucan. Please give some direction if you can--I'm at a

stand still, not knowing what to do at this point. THANKS!

>

> Current supplements my son is on:

>

> Cod Liver Oil, calcium, magnesium, zinc, vitamin C, vit B-6,

manganese, Therbiotics Complete, AFP Peptizyde, Zyme Prime, No-Phenol

(enzymes given with each meal/snack, and No-Phenol given once daily

between meals). I THINK that's it! All I can remember off of the

top of my head! I am supposed to add Vit E, Riboflavin, and Niacin.

These have not gone over too well with my son, yet. He reacts to

each of them. I'm still waiting to see if I should try giving TMG

with MB-12. I have it sitting on my counter. DMG did not work--made

him very stimmy and edgy.

>

> ANY help with supps and yeast issues is so appreciated! THANK you

for any advice!

>

> ~Diane

> Mom to Aaren, age 3, ASD

>

>

>

>

>

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http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---

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>

[Guest guest]

Primal Defense is basically a probiotic and so it would 'fight yeast'

in the way other probiotics do. I don't know of any other special way

it fights yeast. Garden of Life has another product of herbs that

discourage yeast as their main yeast-control product: Fungal Defense.

Primal Defense gets mixed reviews. Either someone has an awesome

positive experience and swear by it, or they get sick as a dog and it

doesn't go away (not a die-off reaction). Not much in between. Every

time I bring this up to store owners or supplement manufacturers,

they agree they hear the same thing.

If you decide to try Primal Defense, just be aware of the big plus or

big negative type reaction.

.

[Guest guest]

,

What are signs to look for either negative or positive? We are using Primal

Defense, for a bad yeast flare up after we let the Dr.'s talk us into giving

our son Augmentin....

Thank you for your expertise..

Rhonda

[Guest guest]

>>> What are signs to look for either negative or positive?

Is it helping the yeast?

The positive or negatives aren't anything specific...it varies by

person. Sometimes a child is acting out, very irritable, or acts like

they have the flu or their stomach hurts. Sometimes the positives are

more social and pleasant or more alert. Sorry I couldn't be more

specific.

.

[Guest guest]

I mix the primal defense powder in with the Brainchild vit/min. and

peach CLO and it masks the taste somewhat.

> I have added this to my sons supplement list and I

> must say it smells and looks like dirt when I crush it

> up for my son to take off a spoon. He is such a

> trooper. It has to taste aweful.

>

> Proud mother of Gavin age 6 1/2 with autism

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I can't forward any links, but I tried Primal Defense with my five year old son

and it looked and tasted like dirt. Literally. No way I could get it into him.

I have an entire bottle you can have if you want it.

Primal Defense

I'm interested in giving this a try since it seems to have good reports for

bowel disease but I'm unsure about these soil bacteria thingies! I can't find

any info on long-term usage only scary stuff about how they take up residence

in the gut and can never be eliminated if they are found to be harmful 20

years down the line :-((

Can anyone give me any links, good or bad on Primal Defense please.

Does anyone here use it have any thoughts?

Cheers

Louisa

--

No one can deny how important it is to protect children from harm, but this

means that children also need to be protected from those who would, through

negligence or malice, seek to foster mistrust or physical distance between a

child and their truly caring parent who has been unjustly accused.

Rt Rev Laurie Green

Bishop of Bradwell

http://www.parents-protecting-children.org.uk/default.asp

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[Guest guest]

A Nurse Practioner who did CSM on Brittany recommended this for good bowel

movements and overall digestion aid. We have been using it on and off for about

a year in combination with Cod Liver Oil.

Louisa Herbs <louisa@...> wrote:

I'm interested in giving this a try since it seems to have good reports for

bowel disease but I'm unsure about these soil bacteria thingies! I can't find

any info on long-term usage only scary stuff about how they take up residence

in the gut and can never be eliminated if they are found to be harmful 20

years down the line :-((

Can anyone give me any links, good or bad on Primal Defense please.

Does anyone here use it have any thoughts?

Cheers

Louisa

--

No one can deny how important it is to protect children from harm, but this

means that children also need to be protected from those who would, through

negligence or malice, seek to foster mistrust or physical distance between a

child and their truly caring parent who has been unjustly accused.

Rt Rev Laurie Green

Bishop of Bradwell

http://www.parents-protecting-children.org.uk/default.asp

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I tried not Primal Defence but Natures Biotics. It is soil based

probiotic very similar to PD but definitely does not contain Clorella.

I can say that it was much-much stronger than any other traditional

probiotics I had tried. I don't know which probiotic is stronger - PD

or Natures Biotics, I chose the last one because I was warned about

issues with chlorella.

So if I have to choose probiotic in pills I would go for soil based

one. But lately I found much better and way cheaper option. It is

kefir - milk (dairy or non-dairy) fermented with special kefir

grains. While probiotics in pills and daily antifungals could just

keep my son'a Candida at bay, kefir eliminated it in 3 days. Since

starting kefir I don't give him any probiotics either anti-fungals.

> " The efficacy of a

>probiotic should be based upon the ability of the product to " on

>ferment " foods. If you want to test the viability of a probiotic

>product, simply drop a few caplets in 2-4 ounces of milk and leave at

>room temperature for 24-48 hours. If the probiotic is viable, the

>milk will change to a thick yogurt-like consistency. This measures

>the ability of a probiotic to produce enzymes and break down or pre-

>digest food. If a probiotic cannot pass this simple test, do you

>think it will be capable of doing it's job in your body? "

How true! When making jogurt you have to sterilise all utensils

because if it is contaminated with any bacteria they will overgrow

friendly bacteria from starter. When making kefir you don't need

sterilise anything - kefir would overcome any contamination. Guess it

can really colonise intestinal tract and eliminate all unfriendly

bacteria and yeasts!