Re: results interpretation?

[Guest guest]

Sure it would be worth it if I knew that's what was causing it. But why would I

give up a bed I haven't even paid for if I don't know it's making me sick? What

if it's the offgassing from the bed, I throw it away, have to sleep on the floor

for the next two years while I pay off this one (which is literally what I will

have to do), and then get a new one and it also makes me sick? You see the

problem I'm having with it. Or what if it's mold that has not gotten into the

new bed and I throw away the bed and I feel better but only because we moved,

not because we threw the bed away?

Lori

Re: [] results interpretation?

Lori, there have also been people in this group

that have BUILT new homes to move into after

being sick, only to find they can't live in them,

so you can understand in cases like that why

advice would be to take nothing at all, and how

it would be worth giving up even a new bed in

that case.

--- Lori Baur <lori@...> wrote:

> BBW,

>

> It is possible for us to move again I suppose.

>

[Guest guest]

you could store the mattress with a friend, sleep on the floor for a couple of

days, then bring the mattresses in and see how you do. if they offend, you

could always cover them totally in the plastic mattress covers, however those

things smell themselves and may not be so well tolerated. an alternative to

vinyl would be a foil of some type or mylar or regular plastic like trash bags.

this would seal the mattress and box spings off totally if wrapped properly.

and provide an inexpenive alternative until you regroup your finances.

Lori Baur <lori@...> wrote: Sure it would be worth it if I

knew that's what was causing it. But why would I give up a bed I haven't even

paid for if I don't know it's making me sick? What if it's the offgassing from

the bed, I throw it away, have to sleep on the floor for the next two years

while I pay off this one (which is literally what I will have to do), and then

get a new one and it also makes me sick? You see the problem I'm having with it.

Or what if it's mold that has not gotten into the new bed and I throw away the

bed and I feel better but only because we moved, not because we threw the bed

away?

Lori

Re: [] results interpretation?

Lori, there have also been people in this group

that have BUILT new homes to move into after

being sick, only to find they can't live in them,

so you can understand in cases like that why

advice would be to take nothing at all, and how

it would be worth giving up even a new bed in

that case.

--- Lori Baur <lori@...> wrote:

> BBW,

>

> It is possible for us to move again I suppose.

>

[Guest guest]

-Barb, yes, I ve read a few times of mold in animal dander. it may

vary depending on how often and what you use for theri bath.I also

read that most shampoos dont get rid of it.Im sure it could affect

carpet and may even be a invite for mites and mites like mold and

dander very much. yes all electronics have static electricity and

attract dust. and the drier the environmemt the more static. we used

to destatitize tvs with a electrodestatitizer back in my tv repair

days. your also not supposed to stack electronic equipment for this

reason.

-- In , bbw <barb1283@...>

wrote:

>

> Jeanine,

> Two questions:

> Is mold really in the dander of pets?? Don't you

> think dander would get moldy after falling off

> pet and into carpet, etc??

> Is dust actually 'attracted' to electronics or

> does it just fall into keyboards and such from

> gravity and not an area usually dusted?

> Thanks, Barb

>

> --- who <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

>

> > -Lori, it does sound like the mold may have

> > started in the radiator

> > or somewhere below from the leak and and the ac

> > picked it up out of

> > the air and its there too and produceing it and

> > putting it back out

> > into the air. if your allready sickly its not

> > going to take much for

> > it to get to you. great idea to keep ac off

> > and covered, I would

> > even cover the radiator to if you can. I love

> > pets myself but they do

> > have mold in theri dander and that dander is in

> > your space, your may

> > of had immunity to that level but with extra

> > mold around that might

> > change, I've heard, once allergic allways

> > allergic, but I really

> > think mold is a big factor in all allergys if

> > not the sole cause and

> > its the particles you inhale along with mold

> > that you than become

> > sensatized to. just my view. the biggest

> > problem you may have is the

> > mold dust that is attracted to electronics and

> > settles inside

> > equipment. is this band equipment you have?

> > also tv's and computers.

> > I dont know about matresses, I had to buy a new

> > one, I did have it in

> > a moldy apartment for a short time, actually

> > two, and although the

> > apartments bothered me and I had to move after

> > getting in a mold free

> > apartment my matress does not bother me, but it

> > did get some airing

> > out between moveing. I bought several of those

> > large plastic

> > containers and put everything in them that had

> > a question mark,

> > cleaned them first, than after I got moved took

> > them one at a time

> > outside and when through them again, cleaned a

> > few things at a time

> > and brought them in. the only thing still in

> > containers is my antique

> > books which I may never be able to tolerate.

> > the microwave thing may

> > be worth a

> > try,??

> >

> > -- In

> > , bbw

> > <barb1283@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Did it then drip onto the floor beneath

> > radiator,

> > > anything below carpet there perhaps?

> > >

> > > --- Lori Baur <lori@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > BBW,

> > > >

> > > > The water was leaking onto the radiator.

> > It

> > > > has this valve

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

-I do think that if your a good house keeper pet dander would not be

as much of a problem than in someones home that doesn't clean very

well. but I think carpet and pets do not mix well at all.

-- In , " who " <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

>

> -Barb, yes, I ve read a few times of mold in animal dander. it may

> vary depending on how often and what you use for theri bath.I also

> read that most shampoos dont get rid of it.Im sure it could affect

> carpet and may even be a invite for mites and mites like mold and

> dander very much. yes all electronics have static electricity and

> attract dust. and the drier the environmemt the more static. we

used

> to destatitize tvs with a electrodestatitizer back in my tv repair

> days. your also not supposed to stack electronic equipment for this

>

reason.

> -- In , bbw <barb1283@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Jeanine,

> > Two questions:

> > Is mold really in the dander of pets?? Don't you

> > think dander would get moldy after falling off

> > pet and into carpet, etc??

> > Is dust actually 'attracted' to electronics or

> > does it just fall into keyboards and such from

> > gravity and not an area usually dusted?

> > Thanks, Barb

> >

> > --- who <jeaninem660@> wrote:

> >

> > > -Lori, it does sound like the mold may have

> > > started in the radiator

> > > or somewhere below from the leak and and the ac

> > > picked it up out of

> > > the air and its there too and produceing it and

> > > putting it back out

> > > into the air. if your allready sickly its not

> > > going to take much for

> > > it to get to you. great idea to keep ac off

> > > and covered, I would

> > > even cover the radiator to if you can. I love

> > > pets myself but they do

> > > have mold in theri dander and that dander is in

> > > your space, your may

> > > of had immunity to that level but with extra

> > > mold around that might

> > > change, I've heard, once allergic allways

> > > allergic, but I really

> > > think mold is a big factor in all allergys if

> > > not the sole cause and

> > > its the particles you inhale along with mold

> > > that you than become

> > > sensatized to. just my view. the biggest

> > > problem you may have is the

> > > mold dust that is attracted to electronics and

> > > settles inside

> > > equipment. is this band equipment you have?

> > > also tv's and computers.

> > > I dont know about matresses, I had to buy a new

> > > one, I did have it in

> > > a moldy apartment for a short time, actually

> > > two, and although the

> > > apartments bothered me and I had to move after

> > > getting in a mold free

> > > apartment my matress does not bother me, but it

> > > did get some airing

> > > out between moveing. I bought several of those

> > > large plastic

> > > containers and put everything in them that had

> > > a question mark,

> > > cleaned them first, than after I got moved took

> > > them one at a time

> > > outside and when through them again, cleaned a

> > > few things at a time

> > > and brought them in. the only thing still in

> > > containers is my antique

> > > books which I may never be able to tolerate.

> > > the microwave thing may

> > > be worth a

> > > try,??

> > >

> > > -- In

> > > , bbw

> > > <barb1283@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Did it then drip onto the floor beneath

> > > radiator,

> > > > anything below carpet there perhaps?

> > > >

> > > > --- Lori Baur <lori@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > BBW,

> > > > >

> > > > > The water was leaking onto the radiator.

> > > It

> > > > > has this valve

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Leigh,

Thanks for mentioning this, Leigh. This has worked well with my

clients for years. Both as an evaluation technique and occasionally

as a remedy. It works by isolating that specific source of exposure

from the person, stopping the exposure. Then you can monitor ANY

changes in reactions. If you only notice some difference but it isn't

enough, that usually means there are additional sources. So don't

quit with this one piece of the puzzle. This procedure is part of an

information gathering and sorting process to make decisions.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> you could store the mattress with a friend, sleep on the floor for a

> couple of days, then bring the mattresses in and see how you do. if

> they offend, you could always cover them totally in the plastic

> mattress covers, however those things smell themselves and may not be

> so well tolerated. an alternative to vinyl would be a foil of some

> type or mylar or regular plastic like trash bags. this would seal the

> mattress and box spings off totally if wrapped properly. and provide

> an inexpenive alternative until you regroup your finances.

>

> Lori Baur <lori@...> wrote: Sure it would be worth

> it if I knew that's what was causing it. But why would I give up a bed

> I haven't even paid for if I don't know it's making me sick? What if

> it's the offgassing from the bed, I throw it away, have to sleep on

> the floor for the next two years while I pay off this one (which is

> literally what I will have to do), and then get a new one and it also

> makes me sick? You see the problem I'm having with it. Or what if it's

> mold that has not gotten into the new bed and I throw away the bed and

> I feel better but only because we moved, not because we threw the bed

> away?

>

> Lori

>

> Re: [] results interpretation?

>

> Lori, there have also been people in this group

> that have BUILT new homes to move into after

> being sick, only to find they can't live in them,

> so you can understand in cases like that why

> advice would be to take nothing at all, and how

> it would be worth giving up even a new bed in

> that case.

>

> --- Lori Baur <lori@...> wrote:

>

> > BBW,

> >

> > It is possible for us to move again I suppose.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

It helped that I have every symptom down to the hole in the heart, etc.

You don't know how much better your attitude is when you do not have to fight

with someone.

who <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

-I do think that if your a good house keeper pet dander would not be

as much of a problem than in someones home that doesn't clean very

well. but I think carpet and pets do not mix well at all.

-- In , " who " <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

>

> -Barb, yes, I ve read a few times of mold in animal dander. it may

> vary depending on how often and what you use for theri bath.I also

> read that most shampoos dont get rid of it.Im sure it could affect

> carpet and may even be a invite for mites and mites like mold and

> dander very much. yes all electronics have static electricity and

> attract dust. and the drier the environmemt the more static. we

used

> to destatitize tvs with a electrodestatitizer back in my tv repair

> days. your also not supposed to stack electronic equipment for this

>

reason.

> -- In , bbw <barb1283@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Jeanine,

> > Two questions:

> > Is mold really in the dander of pets?? Don't you

> > think dander would get moldy after falling off

> > pet and into carpet, etc??

> > Is dust actually 'attracted' to electronics or

> > does it just fall into keyboards and such from

> > gravity and not an area usually dusted?

> > Thanks, Barb

> >

> > --- who <jeaninem660@> wrote:

> >

> > > -Lori, it does sound like the mold may have

> > > started in the radiator

> > > or somewhere below from the leak and and the ac

> > > picked it up out of

> > > the air and its there too and produceing it and

> > > putting it back out

> > > into the air. if your allready sickly its not

> > > going to take much for

> > > it to get to you. great idea to keep ac off

> > > and covered, I would

> > > even cover the radiator to if you can. I love

> > > pets myself but they do

> > > have mold in theri dander and that dander is in

> > > your space, your may

> > > of had immunity to that level but with extra

> > > mold around that might

> > > change, I've heard, once allergic allways

> > > allergic, but I really

> > > think mold is a big factor in all allergys if

> > > not the sole cause and

> > > its the particles you inhale along with mold

> > > that you than become

> > > sensatized to. just my view. the biggest

> > > problem you may have is the

> > > mold dust that is attracted to electronics and

> > > settles inside

> > > equipment. is this band equipment you have?

> > > also tv's and computers.

> > > I dont know about matresses, I had to buy a new

> > > one, I did have it in

> > > a moldy apartment for a short time, actually

> > > two, and although the

> > > apartments bothered me and I had to move after

> > > getting in a mold free

> > > apartment my matress does not bother me, but it

> > > did get some airing

> > > out between moveing. I bought several of those

> > > large plastic

> > > containers and put everything in them that had

> > > a question mark,

> > > cleaned them first, than after I got moved took

> > > them one at a time

> > > outside and when through them again, cleaned a

> > > few things at a time

> > > and brought them in. the only thing still in

> > > containers is my antique

> > > books which I may never be able to tolerate.

> > > the microwave thing may

> > > be worth a

> > > try,??

> > >

> > > -- In

> > > , bbw

> > > <barb1283@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Did it then drip onto the floor beneath

> > > radiator,

> > > > anything below carpet there perhaps?

> > > >

> > > > --- Lori Baur <lori@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > BBW,

> > > > >

> > > > > The water was leaking onto the radiator.

> > > It

> > > > > has this valve

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Lori,

The joint pain while at home does sound like a mold issue.. Do you

well-ventilate your bedroom at night, and/or use an adequately sized

HEPA filter unit in your sleeping area?

Just curious.. is your mattress on the floor or on a well-ventilated

frame? If a foam mattress is on the floor it WILL get moldy.. very

moldy.. cold floors and mattresses without frames = mold..

Foam mattresses should never be used on the floor..

This is probably obvious to most of us here, but I could see some

people not realizing how this combination is problematic...

[Guest guest]

Our bedroom is pretty well ventilated and we have a HEPA filter in there now.

The mattress is not on the floor. I also don't know if it's a foam mattress --

I am not sure what that means exxactly.

Lori

Re: [] Re: results interpretation?

Lori,

The joint pain while at home does sound like a mold issue.. Do you

well-ventilate your bedroom at night, and/or use an adequately sized

HEPA filter unit in your sleeping area?

Just curious.. is your mattress on the floor or on a well-ventilated

frame? If a foam mattress is on the floor it WILL get moldy.. very

moldy.. cold floors and mattresses without frames = mold..

Foam mattresses should never be used on the floor..

This is probably obvious to most of us here, but I could see some

people not realizing how this combination is problematic...

[Guest guest]

Sure. You are entirely right. I was just

telling you why many people here were advocating

getting rid of things.

--- Lori Baur <lori@...> wrote:

> Sure it would be worth it if I knew that's what

> was causing it. But why would I give up a bed

> I