Guest guest Posted May 24, 2002 Report Share Posted May 24, 2002 I know this is a little off our normal topics, but does anyone know anything about Muay Thai? I want to start martial arts training again, I've narrowed it to Jui Jitsu, Judo, or Muay Thai. There are not a lot of choices in Nebraska for martial arts. Any suggestions? Heath Church Lincoln _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2002 Report Share Posted May 24, 2002 >I know this is a little off our normal topics, but does anyone know anything >about Muay Thai? I want to start martial arts training again, I've narrowed >it to Jui Jitsu, Judo, or Muay Thai. There are not a lot of choices in >Nebraska for martial arts. Any suggestions? > >Heath Church >Lincoln What do you want to achieve with this martial art training? -- Gerald Lafon ****************************************** * Judo America San Diego * * Email: glafon@... * * Web: http://www.judoamerica.com * * Phone: (619) 232-JUDO * ****************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2002 Report Share Posted May 24, 2002 >I know this is a little off our normal topics, but does anyone know anything >about Muay Thai? I want to start martial arts training again, I've narrowed >it to Jui Jitsu, Judo, or Muay Thai. There are not a lot of choices in >Nebraska for martial arts. Any suggestions? > >Heath Church >Lincoln What do you want to achieve with this martial art training? -- Gerald Lafon ****************************************** * Judo America San Diego * * Email: glafon@... * * Web: http://www.judoamerica.com * * Phone: (619) 232-JUDO * ****************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2002 Report Share Posted May 24, 2002 Probably every martial artist on this forum will have a different answer for you, but I'll throw out my two cents anyway. (I am primarily a soft stylist so my opinions will of course be biased in that direction) The art you practice will depend a lot on what your goals are...Self Defense, Tournaments, Fitness? If self defense is your goal, Jui Jitsu is probably your best bet although a good argument could be made for Muay Thai. The main problem I see with Muay Thai is that the training can be pretty brutal on your body, which goes against my martial arts philosophy that a martial art should protect you from harm, not cause you harm. Judo is for the most part a tournament art so if that is the direction you want to go then it would be a good choice. As far as fitness is concerned, any of the arts you mentioned would be excellent. I've heard that Brazilian Jui Jitsu workouts in particular are pretty grueling (although my preference would be small circle Jui Jitsu). Keep in mind that all this depends on the instructor of the art in question. A really good instructor can make or break any art so check them all out and see who you like. As my Instructor likes to say: " There are no bad arts, just bad instructors. " Good luck with your search. I know Lincoln can be a little lacking in variety for these types of things. I grew up there. Ian S. Melroy Portland, OR USA Muay Thai I know this is a little off our normal topics, but does anyone know anything about Muay Thai? I want to start martial arts training again, I've narrowed it to Jui Jitsu, Judo, or Muay Thai. There are not a lot of choices in Nebraska for martial arts. Any suggestions? Heath Church Lincoln _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 > about Muay Thai? I want to start martial arts training again, I've narrowed > it to Jui Jitsu, Judo, or Muay Thai. There are not a lot of choices in > Nebraska for martial arts. Any suggestions? I trained a little (very little) muay thai. It's great for pain tolerance and work ethic. It's spectacular for the street, I think -- especially if you like starting fights. Work on your flexibility though. That can be a pain. Judo... is fun. Took it for five months. Not really my thing. Jujitsu? What kind? Conditioning wise I would have to go with Muay Thai.... fighting 10 rounds with that I wanna puke feeling from the first kick. -- Anton C. Sevilla Lifting Routines at -> anton.leathercollection.ph THE LEATHER COLLECTION, INC. Las Pinas City 1740 Metro Manila, Philippines Web: www.leather-collection.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 > about Muay Thai? I want to start martial arts training again, I've narrowed > it to Jui Jitsu, Judo, or Muay Thai. There are not a lot of choices in > Nebraska for martial arts. Any suggestions? I trained a little (very little) muay thai. It's great for pain tolerance and work ethic. It's spectacular for the street, I think -- especially if you like starting fights. Work on your flexibility though. That can be a pain. Judo... is fun. Took it for five months. Not really my thing. Jujitsu? What kind? Conditioning wise I would have to go with Muay Thai.... fighting 10 rounds with that I wanna puke feeling from the first kick. -- Anton C. Sevilla Lifting Routines at -> anton.leathercollection.ph THE LEATHER COLLECTION, INC. Las Pinas City 1740 Metro Manila, Philippines Web: www.leather-collection.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 >Judo is for the most part a tournament art so if that is the direction you >want to go then it would be a good choice. Like Brazilian jiujitsu,which derives from Judo, or even Muay Thai or TkD? -- Gerald Lafon ****************************************** * Judo America San Diego * * Email: glafon@... * * Web: http://www.judoamerica.com * * Phone: (619) 232-JUDO * ****************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 > >I know this is a little off our normal topics, but does anyone know anything > >about Muay Thai? I want to start martial arts training again, I've narrowed > >it to Jui Jitsu, Judo, or Muay Thai. There are not a lot of choices in > >Nebraska for martial arts. Any suggestions? > > > >Heath Church > >Lincoln > > > Hi Gerald, Muay Thai is a kickboxing style martial art where contestants fight in a ring with boxing gloves and are allowed use of the feet. Where the style differs from kickboxing is the ability to use elbows, knees and head as contact points. The thing to bear in mind here is that Muay Thai is a 'real' martial art, whereas kickboxing is 'merely' a sport application of a fighting style. The techniques are designed to render the opponent unconscious not just to score points. The system creates 'tough' fighters but is not necessarily effective as a self defense application. Personally, I would recommend Jujitsu. This system will make you tough, fit, strong and supple and have 'real life' application in self defense situations. Jujitsu is the basis of unarmed combat techniques for all of the world's special forces regiments. Dax Moy London UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 > >I know this is a little off our normal topics, but does anyone know anything > >about Muay Thai? I want to start martial arts training again, I've narrowed > >it to Jui Jitsu, Judo, or Muay Thai. There are not a lot of choices in > >Nebraska for martial arts. Any suggestions? > > > >Heath Church > >Lincoln > > > Hi Gerald, Muay Thai is a kickboxing style martial art where contestants fight in a ring with boxing gloves and are allowed use of the feet. Where the style differs from kickboxing is the ability to use elbows, knees and head as contact points. The thing to bear in mind here is that Muay Thai is a 'real' martial art, whereas kickboxing is 'merely' a sport application of a fighting style. The techniques are designed to render the opponent unconscious not just to score points. The system creates 'tough' fighters but is not necessarily effective as a self defense application. Personally, I would recommend Jujitsu. This system will make you tough, fit, strong and supple and have 'real life' application in self defense situations. Jujitsu is the basis of unarmed combat techniques for all of the world's special forces regiments. Dax Moy London UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 If those are the choices, it shouldn't be that hard to decide. I assume there's also a bunch of Karate/Tae Kwon Do McDojos in your area too, but you've already eliminated them, which is probably a good start. I think which art is not the primary question - several others come first. What are you looking to get out of your training? Some popular ones are self-defense, discipline, confidence... I am assuming because of where we are you're not looking to do martial arts to 'get in shape', which I imagine most ST'ers will agree is misguided. We get in shape to play, not play to get in shape. The tricky part about assessing your desires and goals in relation to a martial art, is that they will probably change significantly if you stick with it for a long time. I have studied Aikido for several years, and my answer to why I do it has transformed over time. At one time I had no answer, so I took a year and a half off. Contrary to what advocates will tell you, I don't think any of those 3 are very complete street-self defense systems. If by 'Ju jutsu' you mean a japanese style, that would be the most broadly applicable to real self-defense, although a fairly slow and complicated route. Brazilian jujutsu is fantastic for fights on the ground, but in a serious self-defense situation, staying off the ground is a high priority. Judo is a sport, and is geared for competitions. A few of the moves are good for self-defense, but the range of what is covered is pretty narrow. Muay-thai can be great for self-defense, particularly because you learn to hit hard, and spar in a way that is very close to real fighting. Unfortunately, if you don't modify things a little, you will probably be at an emergency room for hand surgery after defending yourself, and some of the basic moves like the alligator tail kick, while powerful, are also seriously telegraphed and can leave bad vulnerabilities when missed. Anyway, those are some thoughts on self-defense, regarding those arts. For me, I don't study martial arts for self-defense. If I did, I would train with no-holds-barred fighters, who basically train a few simple punches and kicks and a variety of ground-fighting contingencies. The strength of their training is a non-dogmatic praticality of technique selection/development, and an emphasis on very hard sparring that approaches real fighting. Personally, I don't see how one can be deluded into thinking they are trained for street fights if their training isn't hard enough to see them fairly seriously injured on a fairly regular basis - otherwise, there's no way to know how big the gap is between the dojo fantasy and the real thing. Personally, in my life at this time, I don't feel that I need that kind of skill and preparedness enough to make the training costs worth it. For me, the most important things to look for in an art are the attitude, experience, and abilities of the instructor and students, the aesthetics of the art, and how enjoyable day-to-day practice is as an end in itself. Aikido, which I practice, also has other fringe benefits, like the ability to fall safely (saved me from potential injury several times), the development of exceptional balance and posture, the existence of a (mostly) friendly nationwide Aikido community, interesting philosophical analogies and extrapolations from the training and Aikido philosophy, etc... I advise you to go and watch classes at all three places. Ask the teacher and some of the experienced students many questions, then try your top choice for a few months.... How does the atmosphere feel (friendly and supportive, or thick with testosterone and hostility)? How do the people interact with one another (e.g., are people friendly and patient with each other, concerned about their partners safety, or are people getting hurt)? Do the aesthetics of the art itself appeal to you? Do the injury risks look acceptable to you? - all three have different risks, the Muay-Thai will risk the structures of your hands and feet, as well as possible concussions and broken ribs, with Judo falls, you can have traumatic shoulder, back, and hip injuries, with brazilian jujutsu, there are risks to the elbows, neck, and knees, depending upon how the rolling is supervised. Anyway, there's a salad of martial arts thoughts from someone who has been practicing and looking into various arts for a few years. Wilbanks ville, FL > I know this is a little off our normal topics, but does anyone know anything > about Muay Thai? I want to start martial arts training again, I've narrowed > it to Jui Jitsu, Judo, or Muay Thai. There are not a lot of choices in > Nebraska for martial arts. Any suggestions? > > Heath Church > Lincoln > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 Firstly congratulations on your final list of choices,shows that you put some real thought into the matter given your admittedly limited resources.To give you a limited backround on me and where my advice will be coming from-I am a Muay Thai instructor, amateur competitor, and I have been working security in the nightclub business for about 3 years now, most of which has been spent in the position of director of security. I too would like to know where your interests lie, so as to better assist you. But I will make a few suggestions assuming several possible areas of interest from you. Self Defense-Brazilian Jui-Jitsu(primarily with a Vale Tudo emphasis whether or not you are training with or without the Gi) and possible a little bit of Muay Thai training thrown in but if you find a good enough BJJ/Vale Tudo instructor you will learn all the good stuff from this art also(i.e.elbows,knees,headbuts). I especially like BJJ/VT because it has an emphasis on using your opponents clothing which will often happen to you in a self defense situation whether your clothing is being used against you(a hockey " shirt-pullover " comes to mind) or you need to use the person's clothing (i.e. a leather jacket) against them. Just be aware of this arts' emphasis of ground-based moves (which REALLY do help you control an attacker heavier/stronger than you).The reason I say this is that from actual experience, I have found the ground to be the last place you want to be (far better is a wall which will allow you to get a somewhat similiar leverage do to your back being against a solid object). As far as Judo goes, I would have to say it depends on your instructor's emphasis on teaching. If his purpose is similar to your needs and interests and you are prone to experiment on your own with applications, then this art too may be of use do to its emphasis on clothing manipulation and throws (which are especially effective on hard surfaces which leads me to a fourth art I would recommend for you which I KNOW you have access too: Wrestling-Free Style, Greco- Roman, Folkstyle whatever you can find). Stay away from using your clenched fist in actual altercations if you chose to train in arts such as Boxing or Muay Thai which give you a false sense of security and power due to the gloves used in them. Rather go for using open hand strikes (i.e. palms,hammerfists,etc.) and hard natural implements such as elbows, head(head-buts),and knees that will not easily break. And since I can't say it any better here it is again... " Keep in mind that all this depends on the instructor of the art in question. A really good instructor can make or break any art so check them all out and see who you like. As my Instructor likes to say: " There are no bad arts, just bad instructors. " Now if you are just interested in competition, then I would say take all three or four to be really well rounded in mixed martial arts or find the best instructor you can and start in that art. My personal choices which I currently train in are the following: Boxing/Muay Thai/Freestyle-Folkstyle Wrestling/Submission Wrestling (BJJ,Sambo,Judo,Vale Tudo) Judah Ciervo Philadelphia,Pa * Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you wish them to be published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 Heath, I like jiu jitsu as you can pretty much grapple all out without as much risk of a black eye/broken nose as with muay thai. I think they are both great styles and ultimately if you could do both you would be a well-rounded fighter. If you watch any of the mma events lately you see that all the best fighters are well trained in both a striking and a grappling art. However, if I had to choose one, I would pick grappling as you get an awesome whole body workout within minutes. Just my opinion. Mike Westerling Natick MA ----- Original Message ----- From: Heath Church I know this is a little off our normal topics, but does anyone know anything about Muay Thai? I want to start martial arts training again, I've narrowed it to Jui Jitsu, Judo, or Muay Thai. There are not a lot of choices in Nebraska for martial arts. Any suggestions? * Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you wish them to be published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 Actually, I believe Judo derives from Ju-Jutsu, not the other way around. Judo was put together by Kano Jigoro out of parts of Ju-Jutsu to be a martial sport, as opposed to Ju-Jutsu which was a pretty lethal martial art at the time (and still is depending on who instructs you). While Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is a tournament art, it is a lot closer to actual street fighting than to a sport such as Judo (or as you mentioned: Tae Kwon Do). Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu tournaments started out with basically no rules so they were pretty nasty (although the ultimate fighting types of competitions have since become glorified boxing/wrestling matches due to rule additions over time). Muay Thai is also a tournament art, but simulates real combat much more closely than Judo or TKD does. I won't go into details since I couldn't possibly give a better explanation than has already been written in Mr. Ciervo's post. Ian S. Melroy Portland, OR USA RE: Muay Thai >Judo is for the most part a tournament art so if that is the direction you >want to go then it would be a good choice. Like Brazilian jiujitsu,which derives from Judo, or even Muay Thai or TkD? -- Gerald Lafon ****************************************** * Judo America San Diego * * Email: glafon@... * * Web: http://www.judoamerica.com * * Phone: (619) 232-JUDO * ****************************************** Modify or cancel your subscription here: mygroups Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you wish them to be published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 > I know this is a little off our normal topics, but does anyone know anything > about Muay Thai? I want to start martial arts training again, I've narrowed > it to Jui Jitsu, Judo, or Muay Thai. There are not a lot of choices in > Nebraska for martial arts. Any suggestions? The arts you mention all train " live " with an emphasis on sparring against a game opponent. Other good arts would include western boxing and wrestling -- and I know you've got wrestling in Lincoln, NE. Like western boxing, Muay Thai is known for its brutality, but like western boxing, it doesn't require brutal in-ring competition. You can spend most of your time working the bags, some of your time sparring lightly, and only a fraction of your time sparring hard -- but the whole art's kept honest by the guys who fight for keeps on a regular basis. Modern Muay Thai is an amalgam of western boxing handwork and traditional Thai kicking, emphasizing a strong, rear-leg round kick, delivered with the shin, not the foot, and " swung " rather than " snapped " out. Against a normal guy, one Thai roundhouse kick to the thigh can end the fight. Against another Thai boxer, expect him to check it with his own shin. As you might imagine, shin-conditioning plays quite a role if you're an active fighter. Matt Madsen Wayne, PA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 > > about Muay Thai? I want to start martial arts training again, >I've narrowed >> it to Jui Jitsu, Judo, or Muay Thai. There are not a lot of choices in >> Nebraska for martial arts. Any suggestions? > >I trained a little (very little) muay thai. It's great for pain tolerance and >work ethic. It's spectacular for the street, I think -- especially if you like >starting fights. Work on your flexibility though. That can be a pain. And how does Muy Thai stack up once you're on your back or you've been choked out? -- Gerald Lafon ****************************************** * Judo America San Diego * * Email: glafon@... * * Web: http://www.judoamerica.com * * Phone: (619) 232-JUDO * ****************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 Sorry, the best person to answer that one is yourself. Go try each class and decide which one suits you the best. You might eventually decide to train in all of them at one time or another. Cool! The only opinion that counts here is yours. Now, if I may digress for a moment, you might also keep an eye out for seminars as they come your way. Bill Wallace, Joe , Kathy Long and Dillman are but a few that come to mind to help expand your view of the arts and how you can make them (the arts) work for you. Ultimately, that is where you need to be if you wish to continue in the martial arts for very long. It needs to fit you and bring you along the path you like best (better). Enjoy, Jeff Gullett Lumberton, North Carolina Muay Thai > I know this is a little off our normal topics, but does anyone know anything > about Muay Thai? I want to start martial arts training again, I've narrowed > it to Jui Jitsu, Judo, or Muay Thai. There are not a lot of choices in > Nebraska for martial arts. Any suggestions? > > Heath Church > Lincoln > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > Modify or cancel your subscription here: > > mygroups > > Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you > wish them to be published! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2002 Report Share Posted May 27, 2002 Quoting Gerald Lafon : > >I trained a little (very little) muay thai. It's great for pain tolerance > and > >work ethic. It's spectacular for the street, I think -- especially if you > like > >starting fights. Work on your flexibility though. That can be a pain. > And how does Muy Thai stack up once you're on your back or you've > been choked out? Mr. Lafon, I'd hate to fight off my back. But choked out, good heavens, I don't think I'd fight too well then! To be honest, I was always a better grappler than a striker, but I personally have difficulty groundfighting on the street. -- Anton C. Sevilla Lifting Routines at -> anton.leathercollection.ph THE LEATHER COLLECTION, INC. Las Pinas City 1740 Metro Manila, Philippines Web: www.leather-collection.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2002 Report Share Posted May 27, 2002 From: judahciervo <I too would like to know where your interests lie, so as to better assist you. But I will make a few suggestions assuming several possible areas of interest from you.> ****My main goal is to get back into peak physical condition and compete in MMA competitions. But while I'm still in school, I'm after the training and physical conditioning and discipline. <As far as Judo goes, I would have to say it depends on your instructor's emphasis on teaching. If his purpose is similar to your needs and interests and you are prone to experiment on your own with applications, then this art too may be of use do to its emphasis on clothing manipulation and throws (which are especially effective on hard surfaces which leads me to a fourth art I would recommend for you which I KNOW you have access too: Wrestling-Free Style, Greco- Roman, Folkstyle whatever you can find).> **** I already have a strong background in Greco-Roman and Freestyle wrestling. As far as the style of Jiu Jitsu, I’m not for sure what style they teach. The one club I’m looking at offers Judo, Jiu Jitsu, and Aikido. I can attend any of the classes that I wish to attend. So I could study all 3 at the same time. I have limited striking knowledge other than military CQB training, which doesn’t really apply. So that’s why I was considering Muay Thai, they also have western boxing and combat hapkido. Although, I don’t know anything about combat-hapkido a few people suggested it. <Stay away from using your clenched fist in actual altercations if you chose to train in arts such as Boxing or Muay Thai which give you a false sense of security and power due to the gloves used in them. Rather go for using open hand strikes (i.e. palms,hammerfists,etc.) and hard natural implements such as elbows, head(head-buts),and knees that will not easily break. And since I can't say it any better here it is again... > ****For striking I like to use a lot of forearm/elbow and knee shots, although I'm not aware if you can use them in competition? <Keep in mind that all this depends on the instructor of the art in question. A really good instructor can make or break any art so check them all out and see who you like. As my Instructor likes to say: " There are no bad arts, just bad instructors.> ****That's where I'm limited. There are tons of Tae Kwan Do and Karate instructors, but very few other arts instructors. The Muay Thia and Mugendo are taught at Mick Doyle’s Gym in Omaha, and the Aikido, Jiu Jitsu, Judo are taught by the same instructors at a school in Lincoln. So basically, I'm looking at just getting started in the right art for my needs, then after I graduate college, I will have the freedom to chose from a wider range of instructors. Now if you are just interested in competition, then I would say take all three or four to be really well rounded in mixed martial arts or find the best instructor you can and start in that art. My personal choices which I currently train in are the following: Heath Church Lincoln Nebraska * Please don't forget to sign all letters with your full name and city of residence if you wish your letters to be published * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2002 Report Share Posted May 27, 2002 Mr. Heath Church In response to your expanded reason for chosing a given art I would like to say a few things that hopefully will speed up your learning process.Since I myself have made enough mistakes for the both of us;-) > I already have a strong background in Greco-Roman and Freestyle > wrestling. As far as the style of Jiu Jitsu, I'm not for sure what > style they teach. The one club I'm looking at offers Judo, Jiu Jitsu, > and Aikido. " Congrats on having a good base to build from-I did not have the opportunity to wrestle growing up and feel I missed out but I seem to be a " natural " as many people have mistaken me for one(including Shamrock at a seminar he held in NJ).To be honest I look on Wrestling and Boxing in similar ways-I believe they both teach the indispensable aspects of positioning both clinching/grappling and outside contact movement.They are the foundation of fighting.Judo,BJJ and Sambo also help in these areas. I look on BJJ and Muay Thai similarly also-they both are " finishing " arts, one with submissions and the other " KO shots " (Knees,Elbows,Shin Kicks,Forearm Strikes). >For striking I like to use a lot of forearm/elbow and knee shots, > although I'm not aware if you can use them in competition? " I am not sure what the rules in your State are like but here in NJ/PA there is an organization called BAMA that allows the use of elbows and knee strikes to the head and all parts of the body.This is a good amateur organization I feel for the honing of one's skills in lieu of moving on to more professional ventures such as the commonly followed path of winning in the IVC(International Vale Tudo) and then moving on to the big pay days of Pride.Since all of these venues have similar if not identical rules I would recommend this path. Realistically though if you want to get sufficient experience you will have to enter multiple events with multiple rules,the sd hard truth for us in the sport in it's present state. In closing I would like to give the following advice. A)Take Western Boxing FIRST.This will teach you the necessary footwork, movement-and thusly DEFENSE-(in combination with your sprawling skills and wrestling awareness).Consider the source of this information also.I am a self admitted Muay Thai fighter NOT a full fledged MMA.I realize the weak points in my armour and am pointing them out to you so that you too can make them your strengths and not allow others to exploit them against you. Take kicking for instance.Some neat little rules about kicking are the same as for every other pin,submission or KO strike POSITION,POSITION,POSITION.I personally will ONLY kick from two different positions. 1.From a position with MY lead foot on the OUTSIDE of an opponent's lead hand AND foot to the OUTSIDE of his lead thigh or calf. 2.From a position I can strike the INSIDE of my opponent's lead thigh with the same leg as I am striking(left leg to inside of left thigh usually from a southpaw stance in THIS case).As the kick lands I want my right leg to be landing on the OUTSIDE and to the SIDE of his lead leg so as to reduce the chances of a successful takedwon attempt by my opponent in response to my kick. In all of these cases I used basic Western boxing foot work and in many cases handwork to distract my opponent,disguise my true intentions and enable my positioning desire whatever it may be. So if you MUST take Muay Thai, I would advise that you practise your kick in training until your hip turns over fluidly and you kick like a mule WHILE at the same time be working on your Western Boxing in training AND sparring finally integrating your kick ONLY once you can flank your opponents so fluidly as to know without dubt that you CAN land that kick with impunity.Otherwise a kick IS a liability in MMA as is an improperly timed knee.But I believe you get the idea so I will not expound any farther. Judah Ciervo Philadelphia,PA P.S. I have found some of the footwork in Aikido to be surprisingly IDENTICAL to certain types of " hinging footwork " foudn in western boxing which is used to flank an opponent or to throw a hook and move away simultaneously.Works GREAT on charging opponents or those who plant ALL their weight on their lead leg while throwing punches. -------- " Heath Church " <rollcall64@h...> wrote: > From: judahciervo [mailto:FuryuX@h...] > > <I too would like to know where your interests lie, so as to better > assist you. But I will make a few suggestions assuming several > possible areas of interest from you.> > > ****My main goal is to get back into peak physical condition and compete > in MMA competitions. But while I'm still in school, I'm after the > training and physical conditioning and discipline. > > <As far as Judo goes, I would have to say it depends on your > instructor's emphasis on teaching. If his purpose is similar to your > needs and interests and you are prone to experiment on your own with > applications, then this art too may be of use do to its emphasis on > clothing manipulation and throws (which are especially effective on > hard surfaces which leads me to a fourth art I would recommend for > you which I KNOW you have access too: Wrestling-Free Style, Greco- > Roman, Folkstyle whatever you can find).> > > **** I already have a strong background in Greco-Roman and Freestyle > wrestling. As far as the style of Jiu Jitsu, I'm not for sure what > style they teach. The one club I'm looking at offers Judo, Jiu Jitsu, > and Aikido. I can attend any of the classes that I wish to attend. So > I could study all 3 at the same time. I have limited striking knowledge > other than military CQB training, which doesn't really apply. So that's > why I was considering Muay Thai, they also have western boxing and > combat hapkido. Although, I don't know anything about combat- hapkido a > few people suggested it. > > <Stay away from using your clenched fist in actual altercations if > you chose to train in arts such as Boxing or Muay Thai which give you > a false sense of security and power due to the gloves used in > them. Rather go for using open hand strikes (i.e. > palms,hammerfists,etc.) and hard natural implements such as > elbows, head(head-buts),and knees that will not easily break. > And since I can't say it any better here it is again... > > > ****For striking I like to use a lot of forearm/elbow and knee shots, > although I'm not aware if you can use them in competition? > > <Keep in mind that all this depends on the instructor of the art in > question. A really good instructor can make or break any art so check > them all out and see who you like. As my Instructor likes to > say: " There are no bad arts, just bad instructors. ....> * Please don't forget to sign all letters with your full name and city of residence if you wish your letters to be published * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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