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If its lye heavy toss it in with your scraps to make laundry soap. The extra lye

will saponify the extra fats in your regular soaps to make FINE laundry soap.

Sandy

Re: Re: Botched Batches

It's definately the Turkey Red Castor oil. I checked the MMS lye calulator

and it's not even listed as one of the oils used in soapmaking.

Don't be discouraged though, soapmaking is a learning process, and we'll be

the first to tell out - we had tons of botched batches along the way.

Good luck and have fun. Unless you have a dollar basket, or it's lye

heavy, it still might be usable. If it's lye heavy, then you have to toss

it.

Are you using a caculator to figure your lye?

ok - now it's three bad batches - i just goofed up another one!!!

the recipe's were as follows:

#1= Shampoo bar: 4 oz coconut, 60z olive, 6oz castor, 2.3 lye, 6.5

water.

#2= chamomile & jasmine soap: 1c cham/jasmine tea water, 2.2 lye, 1c

milk 8 oz cocoa butter, 5 oz palm oil, 3 oz castor oil.

#3= milk & cocoa bath bar: 3 oz water, 4 oz milk, 2 oz lye 6 oz

cocoa butter, 6oz palm oil, 3 oz castor oil. 2 T cocoa powder to

color 1/2 recipe.

It's gotta be the turkey red! ! Just gotta! It's the first time I've

used it other than as a superfat after trace, and to all of a sudden

have so many failures.... It looks like normal soap for about 15

seconds, then gets like applesause. Maybe if I could just pour

faster. Not wait for trace. But if it doesn't saponify, then maybe

it'd burn the skin right off ya!

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You don't have to get rid of your soap. You can do all kinds of things to

fix it or use it for cleaning other things that require a harsher soap than

your skin does.

Also, I think you can use tro in lotion. hth

Deby

At 05:36 PM 11/14/2004, you wrote:

>Ok. As I suspected. I will be tossing all soaps made with the turkey

>red oil, I'm sure they must be lye heavy since the TRO didn't

>saponify.

>

>Thank you all so much for the input.

>

>So I guess I'll be making lots and lots of bath oils to use up the

>turkey red I was given. Other ideas of uses would be appreciated.

>Also, what do ya do about the smell - just use lots of EO/FO?

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What if I just shredded them and added some more oils and melted

them, would that soak up the extra lye - like if I'd used 3 oz

turkey red, just put in 3 oz of another oil to take the space the

turkey red should have used?

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You put it in a batch of overly superfatted soap? I've never gotten the

hang of that.

Never toss a batch of soap. It can most always be fixed and it most

certainly can be fixed if it is lye heavy.

Chris

If it's lye heavy, then you have to toss it.

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Your best bet would be to do a half batch of new soap and add the other half

in your shredded soap. I would not use any more of the turkey red. You

need a good recipe and you need to superfat at about 6% to make up for the

extra lye. If you would like more help with this email me privately and I

would be glad to help you.

Chris

> What if I just shredded them and added some more oils and melted

> them, would that soak up the extra lye - like if I'd used 3 oz

> turkey red, just put in 3 oz of another oil to take the space the

> turkey red should have used?

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I superfat at about 5 to 6 % in all of my soaps. Most lye heavy soaps are

not so lye heavy that the extra fat would not take up the lye. Your end

soap if done at 6% would be about 5 or a little less.

If you are making a 2 lb recipe make it up as one lb new soap and add 1 lb

of shredded soap at light trace. Mix well so that both soaps come together

and mold as usual. I think that making small batches are more difficult so

I would not rebatch with less than 2 lbs total, i.e. one lb of each new and

old.

Chris

> You put it in a batch of overly superfatted soap? I've never gotten the

> hang of that.

>

> Never toss a batch of soap. It can most always be fixed and it most

> certainly can be fixed if it is lye heavy.

> Chris

> If it's lye heavy, then you have to toss it.

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I superfat at about 5 to 6 % in all of my soaps. Most lye heavy soaps are

not so lye heavy that the extra fat would not take up the lye. Your end

soap if done at 6% would be about 5 or a little less.

If you are making a 2 lb recipe make it up as one lb new soap and add 1 lb

of shredded soap at light trace. Mix well so that both soaps come together

and mold as usual. I think that making small batches are more difficult so

I would not rebatch with less than 2 lbs total, i.e. one lb of each new and

old.

Chris

> You put it in a batch of overly superfatted soap? I've never gotten the

> hang of that.

>

> Never toss a batch of soap. It can most always be fixed and it most

> certainly can be fixed if it is lye heavy.

> Chris

> If it's lye heavy, then you have to toss it.

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I superfat at about 5 to 6 % in all of my soaps. Most lye heavy soaps are

not so lye heavy that the extra fat would not take up the lye. Your end

soap if done at 6% would be about 5 or a little less.

If you are making a 2 lb recipe make it up as one lb new soap and add 1 lb

of shredded soap at light trace. Mix well so that both soaps come together

and mold as usual. I think that making small batches are more difficult so

I would not rebatch with less than 2 lbs total, i.e. one lb of each new and

old.

Chris

> You put it in a batch of overly superfatted soap? I've never gotten the

> hang of that.

>

> Never toss a batch of soap. It can most always be fixed and it most

> certainly can be fixed if it is lye heavy.

> Chris

> If it's lye heavy, then you have to toss it.

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I'm guessing that you're saying the new batch will melt the

old batch when you add the shredds? Or should I melt it down first

and then add it to the new batch?

If you are making a 2 lb recipe make it up as one lb new soap and

add 1 lb

of shredded soap at light trace. Mix well so that both soaps come

together

and mold as usual.

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I'm guessing that you're saying the new batch will melt the

old batch when you add the shredds? Or should I melt it down first

and then add it to the new batch?

If you are making a 2 lb recipe make it up as one lb new soap and

add 1 lb

of shredded soap at light trace. Mix well so that both soaps come

together

and mold as usual.

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>>>>>>>>If you would like more help with this email me privately and

I would be glad to help you.

Awwwwww .... thank you, Chris! That's nice of you! I think I know

what your're saying, tho, and will give it a try, because I just set

aside the soap instead of throwing it away, because I couldn't bear

to yet.... they might be harsh, but they still are my babies!

Besides, all that cocoa butter and scent being wasted!!!!

>>>>I would not use any more of the turkey red.

LOL>>>>No! Me neither! No more turkey red oil in soap for me! I

will go get some regular castor oil. My mistake, not the recipe's

fault. They called for castor, and I thought the tr would work the

same.

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>>>>>>>>If you would like more help with this email me privately and

I would be glad to help you.

Awwwwww .... thank you, Chris! That's nice of you! I think I know

what your're saying, tho, and will give it a try, because I just set

aside the soap instead of throwing it away, because I couldn't bear

to yet.... they might be harsh, but they still are my babies!

Besides, all that cocoa butter and scent being wasted!!!!

>>>>I would not use any more of the turkey red.

LOL>>>>No! Me neither! No more turkey red oil in soap for me! I

will go get some regular castor oil. My mistake, not the recipe's

fault. They called for castor, and I thought the tr would work the

same.

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You have it right the new will incorporate the old and you will not know the

difference.

You will have to rescent it. This way you will not burn it and you won't

have to worry about how much water to put with it.

Chris

> I'm guessing that you're saying the new batch will melt the

> old batch when you add the shredds? Or should I melt it down first

> and then add it to the new batch?

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Live and learn, if you would like to send me the recipe I would be glad to

take a look.

I do think it can be saved and you might be surprised at how nice it can be.

Chris

> >>>>>>>>If you would like more help with this email me privately and

> I would be glad to help you.

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> Awwwwww .... thank you, Chris! That's nice of you! I think I know

> what your're saying, tho, and will give it a try, because I just set

> aside the soap instead of throwing it away, because I couldn't bear

> to yet.... they might be harsh, but they still are my babies!

> Besides, all that cocoa butter and scent being wasted!!!!

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> >>>>I would not use any more of the turkey red.

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> LOL>>>>No! Me neither! No more turkey red oil in soap for me! I

> will go get some regular castor oil. My mistake, not the recipe's

> fault. They called for castor, and I thought the tr would work the

> same.

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Live and learn, if you would like to send me the recipe I would be glad to

take a look.

I do think it can be saved and you might be surprised at how nice it can be.

Chris

> >>>>>>>>If you would like more help with this email me privately and

> I would be glad to help you.

>

> Awwwwww .... thank you, Chris! That's nice of you! I think I know

> what your're saying, tho, and will give it a try, because I just set

> aside the soap instead of throwing it away, because I couldn't bear

> to yet.... they might be harsh, but they still are my babies!

> Besides, all that cocoa butter and scent being wasted!!!!

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> >>>>I would not use any more of the turkey red.

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> LOL>>>>No! Me neither! No more turkey red oil in soap for me! I

> will go get some regular castor oil. My mistake, not the recipe's

> fault. They called for castor, and I thought the tr would work the

> same.

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Live and learn, if you would like to send me the recipe I would be glad to

take a look.

I do think it can be saved and you might be surprised at how nice it can be.

Chris

> >>>>>>>>If you would like more help with this email me privately and

> I would be glad to help you.

>

> Awwwwww .... thank you, Chris! That's nice of you! I think I know

> what your're saying, tho, and will give it a try, because I just set

> aside the soap instead of throwing it away, because I couldn't bear

> to yet.... they might be harsh, but they still are my babies!

> Besides, all that cocoa butter and scent being wasted!!!!

>

> >>>>I would not use any more of the turkey red.

>

> LOL>>>>No! Me neither! No more turkey red oil in soap for me! I

> will go get some regular castor oil. My mistake, not the recipe's

> fault. They called for castor, and I thought the tr would work the

> same.

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Hi Joyce,

That probably won't happen. And if you're original batch is lye heavy

that won't be corrected by this method. However, if you're original

batch isn't lye heavy it's great way to save a batch of soap that

didn't turn out like you wanted ;o)

BTW, where are you getting these recipes? It's always a good idea to

make tried and true recipes at first. Have you looked at

http://www.millersoap.com? It has all the info you need to learn how

to make soap including recipes. And always run your recipe through a

lye calculator just to make sure your amounts are correct. I use:

http://www.soapmaking.com/lyecalc.mv

Good luck, Sherry

On 17 Nov, 2004, at 4:12 AM, wrote:

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> I'm guessing that you're saying the new batch will melt the

> old batch when you add the shredds? Or should I melt it down first

> and then add it to the new batch?

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