Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 If its lye heavy toss it in with your scraps to make laundry soap. The extra lye will saponify the extra fats in your regular soaps to make FINE laundry soap. Sandy Re: Re: Botched Batches It's definately the Turkey Red Castor oil. I checked the MMS lye calulator and it's not even listed as one of the oils used in soapmaking. Don't be discouraged though, soapmaking is a learning process, and we'll be the first to tell out - we had tons of botched batches along the way. Good luck and have fun. Unless you have a dollar basket, or it's lye heavy, it still might be usable. If it's lye heavy, then you have to toss it. Are you using a caculator to figure your lye? ok - now it's three bad batches - i just goofed up another one!!! the recipe's were as follows: #1= Shampoo bar: 4 oz coconut, 60z olive, 6oz castor, 2.3 lye, 6.5 water. #2= chamomile & jasmine soap: 1c cham/jasmine tea water, 2.2 lye, 1c milk 8 oz cocoa butter, 5 oz palm oil, 3 oz castor oil. #3= milk & cocoa bath bar: 3 oz water, 4 oz milk, 2 oz lye 6 oz cocoa butter, 6oz palm oil, 3 oz castor oil. 2 T cocoa powder to color 1/2 recipe. It's gotta be the turkey red! ! Just gotta! It's the first time I've used it other than as a superfat after trace, and to all of a sudden have so many failures.... It looks like normal soap for about 15 seconds, then gets like applesause. Maybe if I could just pour faster. Not wait for trace. But if it doesn't saponify, then maybe it'd burn the skin right off ya! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 You don't have to get rid of your soap. You can do all kinds of things to fix it or use it for cleaning other things that require a harsher soap than your skin does. Also, I think you can use tro in lotion. hth Deby At 05:36 PM 11/14/2004, you wrote: >Ok. As I suspected. I will be tossing all soaps made with the turkey >red oil, I'm sure they must be lye heavy since the TRO didn't >saponify. > >Thank you all so much for the input. > >So I guess I'll be making lots and lots of bath oils to use up the >turkey red I was given. Other ideas of uses would be appreciated. >Also, what do ya do about the smell - just use lots of EO/FO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 What if I just shredded them and added some more oils and melted them, would that soak up the extra lye - like if I'd used 3 oz turkey red, just put in 3 oz of another oil to take the space the turkey red should have used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 You put it in a batch of overly superfatted soap? I've never gotten the hang of that. Never toss a batch of soap. It can most always be fixed and it most certainly can be fixed if it is lye heavy. Chris If it's lye heavy, then you have to toss it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Your best bet would be to do a half batch of new soap and add the other half in your shredded soap. I would not use any more of the turkey red. You need a good recipe and you need to superfat at about 6% to make up for the extra lye. If you would like more help with this email me privately and I would be glad to help you. Chris > What if I just shredded them and added some more oils and melted > them, would that soak up the extra lye - like if I'd used 3 oz > turkey red, just put in 3 oz of another oil to take the space the > turkey red should have used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 I superfat at about 5 to 6 % in all of my soaps. Most lye heavy soaps are not so lye heavy that the extra fat would not take up the lye. Your end soap if done at 6% would be about 5 or a little less. If you are making a 2 lb recipe make it up as one lb new soap and add 1 lb of shredded soap at light trace. Mix well so that both soaps come together and mold as usual. I think that making small batches are more difficult so I would not rebatch with less than 2 lbs total, i.e. one lb of each new and old. Chris > You put it in a batch of overly superfatted soap? I've never gotten the > hang of that. > > Never toss a batch of soap. It can most always be fixed and it most > certainly can be fixed if it is lye heavy. > Chris > If it's lye heavy, then you have to toss it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 I superfat at about 5 to 6 % in all of my soaps. Most lye heavy soaps are not so lye heavy that the extra fat would not take up the lye. Your end soap if done at 6% would be about 5 or a little less. If you are making a 2 lb recipe make it up as one lb new soap and add 1 lb of shredded soap at light trace. Mix well so that both soaps come together and mold as usual. I think that making small batches are more difficult so I would not rebatch with less than 2 lbs total, i.e. one lb of each new and old. Chris > You put it in a batch of overly superfatted soap? I've never gotten the > hang of that. > > Never toss a batch of soap. It can most always be fixed and it most > certainly can be fixed if it is lye heavy. > Chris > If it's lye heavy, then you have to toss it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 I superfat at about 5 to 6 % in all of my soaps. Most lye heavy soaps are not so lye heavy that the extra fat would not take up the lye. Your end soap if done at 6% would be about 5 or a little less. If you are making a 2 lb recipe make it up as one lb new soap and add 1 lb of shredded soap at light trace. Mix well so that both soaps come together and mold as usual. I think that making small batches are more difficult so I would not rebatch with less than 2 lbs total, i.e. one lb of each new and old. Chris > You put it in a batch of overly superfatted soap? I've never gotten the > hang of that. > > Never toss a batch of soap. It can most always be fixed and it most > certainly can be fixed if it is lye heavy. > Chris > If it's lye heavy, then you have to toss it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 I'm guessing that you're saying the new batch will melt the old batch when you add the shredds? Or should I melt it down first and then add it to the new batch? If you are making a 2 lb recipe make it up as one lb new soap and add 1 lb of shredded soap at light trace. Mix well so that both soaps come together and mold as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 I'm guessing that you're saying the new batch will melt the old batch when you add the shredds? Or should I melt it down first and then add it to the new batch? If you are making a 2 lb recipe make it up as one lb new soap and add 1 lb of shredded soap at light trace. Mix well so that both soaps come together and mold as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 >>>>>>>>If you would like more help with this email me privately and I would be glad to help you. Awwwwww .... thank you, Chris! That's nice of you! I think I know what your're saying, tho, and will give it a try, because I just set aside the soap instead of throwing it away, because I couldn't bear to yet.... they might be harsh, but they still are my babies! Besides, all that cocoa butter and scent being wasted!!!! >>>>I would not use any more of the turkey red. LOL>>>>No! Me neither! No more turkey red oil in soap for me! I will go get some regular castor oil. My mistake, not the recipe's fault. They called for castor, and I thought the tr would work the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 >>>>>>>>If you would like more help with this email me privately and I would be glad to help you. Awwwwww .... thank you, Chris! That's nice of you! I think I know what your're saying, tho, and will give it a try, because I just set aside the soap instead of throwing it away, because I couldn't bear to yet.... they might be harsh, but they still are my babies! Besides, all that cocoa butter and scent being wasted!!!! >>>>I would not use any more of the turkey red. LOL>>>>No! Me neither! No more turkey red oil in soap for me! I will go get some regular castor oil. My mistake, not the recipe's fault. They called for castor, and I thought the tr would work the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 You have it right the new will incorporate the old and you will not know the difference. You will have to rescent it. This way you will not burn it and you won't have to worry about how much water to put with it. Chris > I'm guessing that you're saying the new batch will melt the > old batch when you add the shredds? Or should I melt it down first > and then add it to the new batch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Live and learn, if you would like to send me the recipe I would be glad to take a look. I do think it can be saved and you might be surprised at how nice it can be. Chris > >>>>>>>>If you would like more help with this email me privately and > I would be glad to help you. > > Awwwwww .... thank you, Chris! That's nice of you! I think I know > what your're saying, tho, and will give it a try, because I just set > aside the soap instead of throwing it away, because I couldn't bear > to yet.... they might be harsh, but they still are my babies! > Besides, all that cocoa butter and scent being wasted!!!! > > >>>>I would not use any more of the turkey red. > > LOL>>>>No! Me neither! No more turkey red oil in soap for me! I > will go get some regular castor oil. My mistake, not the recipe's > fault. They called for castor, and I thought the tr would work the > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Live and learn, if you would like to send me the recipe I would be glad to take a look. I do think it can be saved and you might be surprised at how nice it can be. Chris > >>>>>>>>If you would like more help with this email me privately and > I would be glad to help you. > > Awwwwww .... thank you, Chris! That's nice of you! I think I know > what your're saying, tho, and will give it a try, because I just set > aside the soap instead of throwing it away, because I couldn't bear > to yet.... they might be harsh, but they still are my babies! > Besides, all that cocoa butter and scent being wasted!!!! > > >>>>I would not use any more of the turkey red. > > LOL>>>>No! Me neither! No more turkey red oil in soap for me! I > will go get some regular castor oil. My mistake, not the recipe's > fault. They called for castor, and I thought the tr would work the > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Live and learn, if you would like to send me the recipe I would be glad to take a look. I do think it can be saved and you might be surprised at how nice it can be. Chris > >>>>>>>>If you would like more help with this email me privately and > I would be glad to help you. > > Awwwwww .... thank you, Chris! That's nice of you! I think I know > what your're saying, tho, and will give it a try, because I just set > aside the soap instead of throwing it away, because I couldn't bear > to yet.... they might be harsh, but they still are my babies! > Besides, all that cocoa butter and scent being wasted!!!! > > >>>>I would not use any more of the turkey red. > > LOL>>>>No! Me neither! No more turkey red oil in soap for me! I > will go get some regular castor oil. My mistake, not the recipe's > fault. They called for castor, and I thought the tr would work the > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Hi Joyce, That probably won't happen. And if you're original batch is lye heavy that won't be corrected by this method. However, if you're original batch isn't lye heavy it's great way to save a batch of soap that didn't turn out like you wanted ;o) BTW, where are you getting these recipes? It's always a good idea to make tried and true recipes at first. Have you looked at http://www.millersoap.com? It has all the info you need to learn how to make soap including recipes. And always run your recipe through a lye calculator just to make sure your amounts are correct. I use: http://www.soapmaking.com/lyecalc.mv Good luck, Sherry On 17 Nov, 2004, at 4:12 AM, wrote: > > I'm guessing that you're saying the new batch will melt the > old batch when you add the shredds? Or should I melt it down first > and then add it to the new batch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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