Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 In my earlier post I improperly reported some facts from my dementia encrusted brain. I apologize and in the interests of factual journalism would like to post some direct excepts from the article written by Dan Wagman in Pure Power Magazine. (No I don't get anything for plugging the magazine - not even a cut on my subscription.) Keep in mind this is the IOC's own study: The International Olympic Committee (IOC) commissioned its accredited doping laboratory in Cologne, Germany, to ascertain to what extent supplements may be tainted with banned substances. For this study, which was conducted from October 2000 to November 2001, 634 nonhormonal supplements were obtained from 13 countries and 215 different suppliers; 91.2% were bought in stores, 8.2% over the internet, 0.2% by telephone orders. Since prohormones seem to be the main culprit in causing positives in doping control, the lab received 289 samples from companies that sell prohormones and 345 from companies that don't. [Which type of " nonhormonal " supplements were examined? Minerals, vitamins and herbs? Proteins, fatty acids, carbs? Enzymes, phytonutrients, amino acids? All? This question is central to the whole issue. Mel Siff] The analysis revealed that 14.8% of the supplements contained prohormones that were not declared on the label. In 10.4% of the sample it was not possible to obtain reliable data. Closer scrutiny revealed 68.1% of the tainted supplements contained testosterone, 24.5% nandrolone and testosterone and 7.5% nandrolone alone. In terms of companies that the supplements were obtained from 21.1% of the supplements from companies that sell prohormones contained anabolic androgenic steroids, whereas only 9.6% of the supplements from companies that don't sell prohormones were tainted. In the U.S. 45 of 240 supplements tested were contaminated or about 19%. None of the companies or the supplements were (sic) listed. So what does this mean. Well the next time you go down to the local health food store and buy your supplements remember that almost 20% of over 240 supplements tested in the US from various stores were contaminated and there is no way you can know if the supplement you are purchasing is one of them. Also remember that only a microscopic amount of nandrolone can give you a positive drug test for up to eighteen months after ingestion. And what is the IOC's stance on this? The same as always the athlete is responsible for anything in his/her body. Words like due process, presumed innocence, mitigating circumstances, let the punishment meet the crime have no meaning here. If you get a positive test you are guilty. It does not matter if you got it from a contaminated supplement or from repeated use of anabolic steroids, the punishment is the same and there is no real appeal process other than you can have the sample tested again. What is the answer? It is a very complex problem and the only real fixes would probably involve a lot of effort and money. For a competitive athlete-take supplements at your own risk. In fairness to the IOC and the Supplement companies I would point out that the IOC is not rich. If they or any other of their underlings were then everyone would be tested by state of the art testing. They do the best they can. Also, why do they not make policy changes. Well consider that inconsistent policies are a sure way to get successfully sued. And what about supplement companies. Even if they could process all contaminates out of their products the cost of doing that would be passed on and then the public would not buy them. If anyone has an answer to a very complex problem please step forward because in the end I think all concerned want to fix it. Eddie White Blue Spring, Mo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2002 Report Share Posted June 13, 2002 In another similar study 1 year ago, also by the Cologne Laboratory, they found prohormones in products which declared contents were creatine, carnitine, zinc, pyruvate, ribose, glutamine, vitamins and minerals, tribulus terrestris, chrysin, CLA and other oils, guarana, OKG, and BCAA. The Austrian government also did a study but they actually released the information with company data: Firma Produktname* detektierte verbotene anabol-androgene Steroide Ultimate Nutrition BCAA Dehydroepiandrosteron (DHEA) Ultimate Nutrition L-Carnitine 1000 Dehydroepiandrosteron (DHEA). Androstendion Ultimate Nutrition Fat Bloc Ultimate Androstendion, Dehydroepiandrosteron (DHEA), 4-Norandrostendion, Androstadiendion Vitalife Pure OKG Androstendion Vitalife Ultra Ripped Androstendion Vitalife Tribugain 4-Norandrostendion Vitalife Super L-Carnitine 4-Norandrostendion Nutrisearch All-in-one Dehydroepiandrosteron (DHEA) Maximuscle Fattack Maximuscle 4-Norandrostendion Dehydroepiandrosteron (DHEA) All Stars Speed Creatin Kautab 4-Norandrostendion, 4-Norandrostendiol All Stars Tri Plex Zell Maxim. 4-Norandrostendion, 4-Norandrostendiol All Stars Zell Tech Optimizer Dehydroepiandrosteron (DHEA) Not sure if these products are distributed outside Austria. Niels Staerkjaer Denmark ---------------- > [Which type of " nonhormonal " supplements were examined? Minerals, vitamins and herbs? Proteins, fatty acids, > carbs? Enzymes, phytonutrients, amino acids? All? This question is central to the whole issue. Mel Siff] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2002 Report Share Posted June 14, 2002 Being witness to one of my track athletes being banned for two years on nandrolone, (level.5.6 ng; cut-off levels: 5 ng for women and 2 ng for men), I have these comments to make: In the month before his test, his father died and his wife left him - my guess is that this may have affected his hormone levels, anyhow. In all the tests before and the test a week after, the positive one, he was negative! 1 Nandrolon barely works when taken orally, that is why Organon manufactured the injectable nandrolon derivatives Deca-Durabolin and Durabolin, although for patient and doctor less comfortable than oral medication. 2. Nandrolone is very easy to detect nowadays and no experienced athlete would ever use it 3. This athlete gets tested most of the international competition he is competing in, because he is always in the top 4 and even this competition was the national championship (also tested), so he knew for sure he would be tested 4. Nandrolone brings no significant benefits close before competition (like stimulants do) 5. There is no sufficient research for a firm establishment of the cut-off levels -- think how the testosterone/epitestosterone-ratio cut-off level has shifted upward over the years 6. In " normal " society, if an individual eats or drinks contaminated food, he/she is the victim and the one responsible (manufacturer) the perpetrator -- however the rules and laws in sport seem to be different: in this case the athlete is the criminal and while the responsible goes unpunished. Obviously the rules, logic and respect in human behaviour do not seem to apply to the world of sport. Of course not: anti-doping means business and anti-doping means power and money. Anti-doping organisations sprout like mushrooms spending taxpayer money while the majority of the users who are seriously affecting all of society are not subjected to testing. Why are officials, coaches, government office-bearers not also routinely tested? - after all they have a far wider and more influential effect on decision-making, people and society than a few athletes in a few competitions a year. The people in these organisations mainly have to have other qualities than being in these organisations. WADA official Rochard Pound didn't have the quality to be President of the IOC, so as a gift he got another toy: WADA. Don't cry, boy, you got your own toy! Basically I am sick and tired of the anti-doping Mafia, which makes a big thing out of an insignificant problem. Mention to me any possible cause of death (Darwin's Awards) and statistics will tell you that more people die from that cause than from the use of doping, not matter how horrible some stories are. Even the WADA will never prevent any fool who takes grams of steroids a week from doping, just like nobody will ever prevent fools taking 10 aspirins instead of one, thereby ending up in hospital every day. There is no medication for human stupidity. As for the health of the athlete, well, as far as my experience goes, nobody cares. My athlete who tested positive, never got a decent sports medical test in 15 years of world-class track and field, reason: no money. If the money spend on his testing only could have been spent on medical monitoring, he would probably have run a whole lot faster. This story started from reading the story below about the Austrian authorities being smart enough to detect DHEA in Ultimate Nutrition DHEA - at least they can read labels. At least our tax money is spend wisely. Henk Kraaijenhof Amstelveen Holland ----------------- From: Niels Stærkjær In another similar study 1 year ago, also by the Cologne Laboratory, they found prohormones in products which declared contents were creatine, carnitine, zinc, pyruvate, ribose, glutamine, vitamins and minerals, tribulus terrestris, chrysin, CLA and other oils, guarana, OKG, and BCAA. The Austrian government also did a study but they actually released the information with company data: Firma Produktname* detektierte verbotene anabol-androgene Steroide Ultimate Nutrition BCAA Dehydroepiandrosteron (DHEA) Ultimate Nutrition L-Carnitine 1000 Dehydroepiandrosteron (DHEA). Androstendion Ultimate Nutrition Fat Bloc Ultimate Androstendion, Dehydroepiandrosteron (DHEA), 4-Norandrostendion, Androstadiendion Vitalife Pure OKG Androstendion Vitalife Ultra Ripped Androstendion Vitalife Tribugain 4-Norandrostendion Vitalife Super L-Carnitine 4-Norandrostendion Nutrisearch All-in-one Dehydroepiandrosteron (DHEA) Maximuscle Fattack Maximuscle 4-Norandrostendion Dehydroepiandrosteron (DHEA) All Stars Speed Creatin Kautab 4-Norandrostendion, 4-Norandrostendiol All Stars Tri Plex Zell Maxim. 4-Norandrostendion, 4-Norandrostendiol All Stars Zell Tech Optimizer Dehydroepiandrosteron (DHEA) Not sure if these products are distributed outside Austria. Niels Staerkjaer Denmark ---------------- > [Which type of " nonhormonal " supplements were examined? Minerals, vitamins and herbs? Proteins, fatty acids, > carbs? Enzymes, phytonutrients, amino acids? All? This question is central to the whole issue. Mel Siff] * Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you wish them to be published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2002 Report Share Posted June 17, 2002 Niels....could you please let me know where this study (the Austrian one where they released the names of some of the offending companies) was published/released....thank you....Stuart McMillan - Calgary, Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2002 Report Share Posted June 18, 2002 As a drug free competitor, I would greatly appreciate someone posting the companies and products if anyone has this information. We've read on other postings here of nitrotech problems with regard to USA Bobsled - and I can add the USAPL lifter here in colorado with sci-fit amino acids that came up very dirty when tested by the lab. Again, no way of telling if the aminos were isolated - 1 bad lot? or an overall condition of their manufacturing though! I'm buying my vitamins from canadian manufacturers out of the hopes I can evade contamination of the vitamins at least! but the fear of taking in something bad in an otherwise innocent protein shake? (one very scary part of the article posted is contamination by companies NOT manufacturing the outlawed products! how on earth is THAT happening?) if anyone has positive info to share - say regarding separate manufacture of proteins and packaging in a plant apart from the other junk - that a lifter can possibly use them with some measure of comfort, I would also like that information. All I can say is it's quite ironic that it's far harder to avoid inadvertent doping than to cheat openly! and it does make you fear actually consuming things that should normally aid one's competiting effort. I think the time should arrive for the FDA to stop tap dancing and start testing and cracking down on poor manufacturing at the US plants - or USDA - whoever is best suited for this. Inadvertent consumption of these substances by those with pre-existing conditions that are made more dangerous by the addition of such substances should be the leverage used to start inspecting and shutting down those who clearly endanger American and other lives and competitive success of those very athletes we admire for sticking to their chosen drug free path! Since IOC knows of this problem, what then is the best solution? raising of the threshold for the substance's presence on the potential of accidental ingestion? I have heard that essentially nandrolone itself is not truly helpful to an athlete anyway?? or is that accurate. Should IOC eliminate nandrolone from the screening criteria? is there a sufficient test to detect true intentional administering of nandrolone vs contamination? or natural occurrence? The Phantom aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter Denver, Colorado, USA Supplement Doping >In my earlier post I improperly reported some facts from my dementia encrusted brain. I apologize and in >the interests of factual journalism would like to post some direct excepts from the article written by Dan >Wagman in Pure Power Magazine. (No I don't get anything for plugging the magazine - not even a cut on my >subscription.) > >Keep in mind this is the IOC's own study: > >The International Olympic Committee (IOC) commissioned its accredited doping laboratory in Cologne, Germany, >to ascertain to what extent supplements may be tainted with banned substances. For this study, which was conducted >from October 2000 to November 2001, 634 nonhormonal supplements were obtained from 13 countries and 215 >different suppliers; 91.2% were bought in stores, 8.2% over the internet, 0.2% by telephone orders. Since >prohormones seem to be the main culprit in causing positives in doping control, the lab received 289 samples >from companies that sell prohormones and 345 from companies that don't. > >[Which type of " nonhormonal " supplements were examined? Minerals, vitamins and herbs? Proteins, fatty acids, >carbs? Enzymes, phytonutrients, amino acids? All? This question is central to the whole issue. Mel Siff] > >The analysis revealed that 14.8% of the supplements contained prohormones that were not declared on the label. >In 10.4% of the sample it was not possible to obtain reliable data. Closer scrutiny revealed 68.1% of the tainted >supplements contained testosterone, 24.5% nandrolone and testosterone and 7.5% nandrolone alone. In terms of >companies that the supplements were obtained from 21.1% of the supplements from companies that sell prohormones >contained anabolic androgenic steroids, whereas only 9.6% of the supplements from companies that don't sell >prohormones were tainted. > >In the U.S. 45 of 240 supplements tested were contaminated or about 19%. None of the companies or the supplements >were (sic) listed. So what does this mean. Well the next time you go down to the local health food store and buy your >supplements remember that almost 20% of over 240 supplements tested in the US from various stores were contaminated >and there is no way you can know if the supplement you are purchasing is one of them. Also remember that only a >microscopic amount of nandrolone can give you a positive drug test for up to eighteen months after ingestion. > > And what is the IOC's stance on this? The same as always the athlete is responsible for anything in his/her body. >Words like due process, presumed innocence, mitigating circumstances, let the punishment meet the crime have no >meaning here. If you get a positive test you are guilty. It does not matter if you got it from a contaminated supplement >or from repeated use of anabolic steroids, the punishment is the same and there is no real appeal process other than you >can have the sample tested again. > >What is the answer? It is a very complex problem and the only real fixes would probably involve a lot of effort and money. >For a competitive athlete-take supplements at your own risk. In fairness to the IOC and the Supplement companies I would >point out that the IOC is not rich. If they or any other of their underlings were then everyone would be tested by state of >the art testing. They do the best they can. Also, why do they not make policy changes. Well consider that inconsistent policies >are a sure way to get successfully sued. And what about supplement companies. Even if they could process all contaminates >out of their products the cost of doing that would be passed on and then the public would not buy them. If anyone has an answer >to a very complex problem please step forward because in the end I think all concerned want to fix it. > >Eddie White >Blue Spring, Mo. > > > > >Modify or cancel your subscription here: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > >Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you >wish them to be published! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2002 Report Share Posted June 18, 2002 As a drug free competitor, I would greatly appreciate someone posting the companies and products if anyone has this information. We've read on other postings here of nitrotech problems with regard to USA Bobsled - and I can add the USAPL lifter here in colorado with sci-fit amino acids that came up very dirty when tested by the lab. Again, no way of telling if the aminos were isolated - 1 bad lot? or an overall condition of their manufacturing though! I'm buying my vitamins from canadian manufacturers out of the hopes I can evade contamination of the vitamins at least! but the fear of taking in something bad in an otherwise innocent protein shake? (one very scary part of the article posted is contamination by companies NOT manufacturing the outlawed products! how on earth is THAT happening?) if anyone has positive info to share - say regarding separate manufacture of proteins and packaging in a plant apart from the other junk - that a lifter can possibly use them with some measure of comfort, I would also like that information. All I can say is it's quite ironic that it's far harder to avoid inadvertent doping than to cheat openly! and it does make you fear actually consuming things that should normally aid one's competiting effort. I think the time should arrive for the FDA to stop tap dancing and start testing and cracking down on poor manufacturing at the US plants - or USDA - whoever is best suited for this. Inadvertent consumption of these substances by those with pre-existing conditions that are made more dangerous by the addition of such substances should be the leverage used to start inspecting and shutting down those who clearly endanger American and other lives and competitive success of those very athletes we admire for sticking to their chosen drug free path! Since IOC knows of this problem, what then is the best solution? raising of the threshold for the substance's presence on the potential of accidental ingestion? I have heard that essentially nandrolone itself is not truly helpful to an athlete anyway?? or is that accurate. Should IOC eliminate nandrolone from the screening criteria? is there a sufficient test to detect true intentional administering of nandrolone vs contamination? or natural occurrence? The Phantom aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter Denver, Colorado, USA Supplement Doping >In my earlier post I improperly reported some facts from my dementia encrusted brain. I apologize and in >the interests of factual journalism would like to post some direct excepts from the article written by Dan >Wagman in Pure Power Magazine. (No I don't get anything for plugging the magazine - not even a cut on my >subscription.) > >Keep in mind this is the IOC's own study: > >The International Olympic Committee (IOC) commissioned its accredited doping laboratory in Cologne, Germany, >to ascertain to what extent supplements may be tainted with banned substances. For this study, which was conducted >from October 2000 to November 2001, 634 nonhormonal supplements were obtained from 13 countries and 215 >different suppliers; 91.2% were bought in stores, 8.2% over the internet, 0.2% by telephone orders. Since >prohormones seem to be the main culprit in causing positives in doping control, the lab received 289 samples >from companies that sell prohormones and 345 from companies that don't. > >[Which type of " nonhormonal " supplements were examined? Minerals, vitamins and herbs? Proteins, fatty acids, >carbs? Enzymes, phytonutrients, amino acids? All? This question is central to the whole issue. Mel Siff] > >The analysis revealed that 14.8% of the supplements contained prohormones that were not declared on the label. >In 10.4% of the sample it was not possible to obtain reliable data. Closer scrutiny revealed 68.1% of the tainted >supplements contained testosterone, 24.5% nandrolone and testosterone and 7.5% nandrolone alone. In terms of >companies that the supplements were obtained from 21.1% of the supplements from companies that sell prohormones >contained anabolic androgenic steroids, whereas only 9.6% of the supplements from companies that don't sell >prohormones were tainted. > >In the U.S. 45 of 240 supplements tested were contaminated or about 19%. None of the companies or the supplements >were (sic) listed. So what does this mean. Well the next time you go down to the local health food store and buy your >supplements remember that almost 20% of over 240 supplements tested in the US from various stores were contaminated >and there is no way you can know if the supplement you are purchasing is one of them. Also remember that only a >microscopic amount of nandrolone can give you a positive drug test for up to eighteen months after ingestion. > > And what is the IOC's stance on this? The same as always the athlete is responsible for anything in his/her body. >Words like due process, presumed innocence, mitigating circumstances, let the punishment meet the crime have no >meaning here. If you get a positive test you are guilty. It does not matter if you got it from a contaminated supplement >or from repeated use of anabolic steroids, the punishment is the same and there is no real appeal process other than you >can have the sample tested again. > >What is the answer? It is a very complex problem and the only real fixes would probably involve a lot of effort and money. >For a competitive athlete-take supplements at your own risk. In fairness to the IOC and the Supplement companies I would >point out that the IOC is not rich. If they or any other of their underlings were then everyone would be tested by state of >the art testing. They do the best they can. Also, why do they not make policy changes. Well consider that inconsistent policies >are a sure way to get successfully sued. And what about supplement companies. Even if they could process all contaminates >out of their products the cost of doing that would be passed on and then the public would not buy them. If anyone has an answer >to a very complex problem please step forward because in the end I think all concerned want to fix it. > >Eddie White >Blue Spring, Mo. > > > > >Modify or cancel your subscription here: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > >Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you >wish them to be published! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2002 Report Share Posted June 18, 2002 > if anyone has positive info to share - say regarding separate manufacture of > proteins and packaging in a plant apart from the other junk - that a lifter > can possibly use them with some measure of comfort, I would also like that information. I buy all my supplements from Pure Encapsulation. All their products are tested by an independent lab and they offer that info on a CD to their customers. They only sell to health care professionals. Perhaps you know someone who can order for you. Their web site is http://www.purecaps.com/ Harvey Maron, M.D. Steamboat Springs, CO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2002 Report Share Posted June 18, 2002 > if anyone has positive info to share - say regarding separate manufacture of > proteins and packaging in a plant apart from the other junk - that a lifter > can possibly use them with some measure of comfort, I would also like that information. I buy all my supplements from Pure Encapsulation. All their products are tested by an independent lab and they offer that info on a CD to their customers. They only sell to health care professionals. Perhaps you know someone who can order for you. Their web site is http://www.purecaps.com/ Harvey Maron, M.D. Steamboat Springs, CO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2002 Report Share Posted June 19, 2002 Hi -- The Center for Drug Free Sports is the drug testing arm for the NCAA and they have a list of various supplements that were being used by collegiate athletes who tested positive for anabolic steroids. Contact them at <www.drugfreesports.com/rec> Good luck! Dan Wathen, Youngstown State University Ohio ---------- Schaefer<thephantom198@i...> wrote: > As a drug free competitor, I would greatly appreciate someone posting the > companies and products if anyone has this information. We've read on other > postings here of nitrotech problems with regard to USA Bobsled - and I can > add the USAPL lifter here in colorado with sci-fit amino acids that came up > very dirty when tested by the lab. Again, no way of telling if the aminos > were isolated - 1 bad lot? or an overall condition of their manufacturing > though! > > I'm buying my vitamins from canadian manufacturers out of the hopes I can > evade contamination of the vitamins at least! but the fear of taking in > something bad in an otherwise innocent protein shake? (one very scary part > of the article posted is contamination by companies NOT manufacturing the > outlawed products! how on earth is THAT happening?) > > if anyone has positive info to share - say regarding separate manufacture of > proteins and packaging in a plant apart from the other junk - that a lifter > can possibly use them with some measure of comfort, I would also like that > information. > > All I can say is it's quite ironic that it's far harder to avoid inadvertent > doping than to cheat openly! and it does make you fear actually consuming > things that should normally aid one's competiting effort. I think the time > should arrive for the FDA to stop tap dancing and start testing and cracking > down on poor manufacturing at the US plants - or USDA - whoever is best > suited for this. Inadvertent consumption of these substances by those with > pre-existing conditions that are made more dangerous by the addition of such > substances should be the leverage used to start inspecting and shutting down > those who clearly endanger American and other lives and competitive success > of those very athletes we admire for sticking to their chosen drug free path! > > Since IOC knows of this problem, what then is the best solution? raising of > the threshold for the substance's presence on the potential of accidental > ingestion? I have heard that essentially nandrolone itself is not truly > helpful to an athlete anyway?? or is that accurate. Should IOC eliminate > nandrolone from the screening criteria? is there a sufficient test to > detect true intentional administering of nandrolone vs contamination? or > natural occurrence? * Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you wish them to be published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2002 Report Share Posted June 19, 2002 Hi -- The Center for Drug Free Sports is the drug testing arm for the NCAA and they have a list of various supplements that were being used by collegiate athletes who tested positive for anabolic steroids. Contact them at <www.drugfreesports.com/rec> Good luck! Dan Wathen, Youngstown State University Ohio ---------- Schaefer<thephantom198@i...> wrote: > As a drug free competitor, I would greatly appreciate someone posting the > companies and products if anyone has this information. We've read on other > postings here of nitrotech problems with regard to USA Bobsled - and I can > add the USAPL lifter here in colorado with sci-fit amino acids that came up > very dirty when tested by the lab. Again, no way of telling if the aminos > were isolated - 1 bad lot? or an overall condition of their manufacturing > though! > > I'm buying my vitamins from canadian manufacturers out of the hopes I can > evade contamination of the vitamins at least! but the fear of taking in > something bad in an otherwise innocent protein shake? (one very scary part > of the article posted is contamination by companies NOT manufacturing the > outlawed products! how on earth is THAT happening?) > > if anyone has positive info to share - say regarding separate manufacture of > proteins and packaging in a plant apart from the other junk - that a lifter > can possibly use them with some measure of comfort, I would also like that > information. > > All I can say is it's quite ironic that it's far harder to avoid inadvertent > doping than to cheat openly! and it does make you fear actually consuming > things that should normally aid one's competiting effort. I think the time > should arrive for the FDA to stop tap dancing and start testing and cracking > down on poor manufacturing at the US plants - or USDA - whoever is best > suited for this. Inadvertent consumption of these substances by those with > pre-existing conditions that are made more dangerous by the addition of such > substances should be the leverage used to start inspecting and shutting down > those who clearly endanger American and other lives and competitive success > of those very athletes we admire for sticking to their chosen drug free path! > > Since IOC knows of this problem, what then is the best solution? raising of > the threshold for the substance's presence on the potential of accidental > ingestion? I have heard that essentially nandrolone itself is not truly > helpful to an athlete anyway?? or is that accurate. Should IOC eliminate > nandrolone from the screening criteria? is there a sufficient test to > detect true intentional administering of nandrolone vs contamination? or > natural occurrence? * Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you wish them to be published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2002 Report Share Posted June 19, 2002 Hi -- The Center for Drug Free Sports is the drug testing arm for the NCAA and they have a list of various supplements that were being used by collegiate athletes who tested positive for anabolic steroids. Contact them at <www.drugfreesports.com/rec> Good luck! Dan Wathen, Youngstown State University Ohio ---------- Schaefer<thephantom198@i...> wrote: > As a drug free competitor, I would greatly appreciate someone posting the > companies and products if anyone has this information. We've read on other > postings here of nitrotech problems with regard to USA Bobsled - and I can > add the USAPL lifter here in colorado with sci-fit amino acids that came up > very dirty when tested by the lab. Again, no way of telling if the aminos > were isolated - 1 bad lot? or an overall condition of their manufacturing > though! > > I'm buying my vitamins from canadian manufacturers out of the hopes I can > evade contamination of the vitamins at least! but the fear of taking in > something bad in an otherwise innocent protein shake? (one very scary part > of the article posted is contamination by companies NOT manufacturing the > outlawed products! how on earth is THAT happening?) > > if anyone has positive info to share - say regarding separate manufacture of > proteins and packaging in a plant apart from the other junk - that a lifter > can possibly use them with some measure of comfort, I would also like that > information. > > All I can say is it's quite ironic that it's far harder to avoid inadvertent > doping than to cheat openly! and it does make you fear actually consuming > things that should normally aid one's competiting effort. I think the time > should arrive for the FDA to stop tap dancing and start testing and cracking > down on poor manufacturing at the US plants - or USDA - whoever is best > suited for this. Inadvertent consumption of these substances by those with > pre-existing conditions that are made more dangerous by the addition of such > substances should be the leverage used to start inspecting and shutting down > those who clearly endanger American and other lives and competitive success > of those very athletes we admire for sticking to their chosen drug free path! > > Since IOC knows of this problem, what then is the best solution? raising of > the threshold for the substance's presence on the potential of accidental > ingestion? I have heard that essentially nandrolone itself is not truly > helpful to an athlete anyway?? or is that accurate. Should IOC eliminate > nandrolone from the screening criteria? is there a sufficient test to > detect true intentional administering of nandrolone vs contamination? or > natural occurrence? * Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you wish them to be published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2002 Report Share Posted June 20, 2002 Hobman wrote: > Hi -- The Center for Drug Free Sports is the drug testing arm for > the NCAA and they have a list of various supplements that were being used by > collegiate athletes who tested positive for anabolic steroids. > Contact them at <www.drugfreesports.com/rec> > > Dan - do they elaborate on the manufacturer? > I know creatine has been found contaminated, but I don't know whose creatine! Hi -- Yes, they list the brand name. If you need more information contact Wichersham at (816)474-8655 X18. They try to get a list of supplements from each positive testee who claims they were only taking over the counter supplements. The list is extensive. Dan Wathen, Youngstown State University. Ohio * Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you wish them to be published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2002 Report Share Posted June 28, 2002 Hi ! I was given incorrect information on the web site. You may be able to get a list from Wicherham at the center if call her at X18. She is out of town until Tuesday next week. Good luck! Dan Wathen, Youngstown State University Ohio --------- Schaefer " <thephantom198@i...> wrote: > Perhaps I am dense but I have tried to find the information on the site - > where exactly is the list and purported cause of failure by supplement? > > I found forms to report problems but no summary of the supplements that > caused violations - where exactly is this listed on the site? From: icp328 <icp328@y...> ---------- Hobman wrote: > >> Hi -- The Center for Drug Free Sports is the drug testing arm for > >> the NCAA and they have a list of various supplements that were being used by > >> collegiate athletes who tested positive for anabolic steroids. > >> Contact them at <www.drugfreesports.com/rec> > >> > >> Dan - do they elaborate on the manufacturer? > >> I know creatine has been found contaminated, but I don't know whose creatine! Dan Wathen > >Hi -- Yes, they list the brand name. If you need more information contact > > Wichersham at (816)474-8655 X18. They try to get a list of > >supplements from each positive testee who claims they were only taking > >over the counter supplements. The list is extensive. ---------- * Please sign all letters with full name and city if you wish to have them published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2002 Report Share Posted June 28, 2002 Hi ! I was given incorrect information on the web site. You may be able to get a list from Wicherham at the center if call her at X18. She is out of town until Tuesday next week. Good luck! Dan Wathen, Youngstown State University Ohio --------- Schaefer " <thephantom198@i...> wrote: > Perhaps I am dense but I have tried to find the information on the site - > where exactly is the list and purported cause of failure by supplement? > > I found forms to report problems but no summary of the supplements that > caused violations - where exactly is this listed on the site? From: icp328 <icp328@y...> ---------- Hobman wrote: > >> Hi -- The Center for Drug Free Sports is the drug testing arm for > >> the NCAA and they have a list of various supplements that were being used by > >> collegiate athletes who tested positive for anabolic steroids. > >> Contact them at <www.drugfreesports.com/rec> > >> > >> Dan - do they elaborate on the manufacturer? > >> I know creatine has been found contaminated, but I don't know whose creatine! Dan Wathen > >Hi -- Yes, they list the brand name. If you need more information contact > > Wichersham at (816)474-8655 X18. They try to get a list of > >supplements from each positive testee who claims they were only taking > >over the counter supplements. The list is extensive. ---------- * Please sign all letters with full name and city if you wish to have them published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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