Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Laurie, My heart sinks when I hear of these situations which are becoming more common. The problems you describe appear to be beyond self help advise. What I have to share is not different from the other input so far and probably what you already know and are trying to avoid. It sounds like you should consult with a real estate attorney. Consultations are often at no charge. You need to become fully aware of what all your options are for this situation. Did you hire anyone for home inspection during the escrow? Since your family is already having a physical reaction to some contaminate in your dwelling and from what you describe as to possible sources of mold contamination, you have too much at stake to not pursue a home inspection by an expert in this area now. The cost for this may be minimal compared to what this may end up costing you and your entire family not just financially (but physically and emotionally as well) further down the line if you do not take critical steps at this stage. As for more general info on how to reduce mold exposure whenever possible hard surface flooring is far superior to carpet. However, if there is a serious mold problem taking place somewhere in your home, removal of these carpets without a remediation company performing this task may temporarily create a greater health hazard for all of you that already seem to be experiencing allergic reactions. You are fortunate that you discovered this group. It sometimes takes a village or a number of people on a message board such as this to help people find solutions that work for them. There are usually no easy or inexpensive answers to dealing with these problems. In a message dated 9/19/2006 8:19:31 AM Central Standard Time, lbcmjohnson@... writes: Hi...I am new to the group and joined because I feel I have mold issues in a home I just bought. I am really hoping someone can answer my questions or give me their thoughts..it would be so greatly appreciated. We purchased this house 2 months ago. When the real estate agent showed it it smelled so nice inside and was nice and cold since she had the air real low and cool (it is HOT this Summer!) and had a plug in in every outlet. I thought it was just because she was a good agent. I know, I know. Duh. When we moved into the house immediately I took out the wall thingys because they were giving me a headache. In a day I started to smell a moldy smell. As soon as you walk in you can smell it. Only me and a few others smell it and my husband thinks I am crazy but I have great smell and I smell it as soon as I walk in. In my 8 year olds room it smells VERY musty. Like someone shut up wet carpet for a while..ick. My 10 year olds room smells of cat pee. These were all masked by those darned air fresheners. As time goes on we found out that our house has no gutters and a crawl space. We have always had slab and don't know a THING about this. It seems the water just flows under the house and obviously was a real problem at one time. The owner before us installed a sump pump which seems to be keeping the underside dry NOW but I think there was water damage and the owner hid it from us. On the seller's disclosure she put NOTHING about water problems in the past or damage. I called the guy who installed the sump pump and he said he told her about the problem and also that there were a zillion cats living under the house and he complained because it smelled to bad and there was feces, etc. that he had to clean out. So I know she KNEW of the problem. The smell of the house, while not REAL overpowering to the average person, is driving me NUTS because I am worried for my kids' health. I hate that they sleep in rooms that stink. We are all itchy eyes and coughing in the morning, headaches, etc. since we moved in. Unfortunately, we don't have a savings so I could not hire a specialist to check the air but I just KNOW there is a problem. I have checked under the carpet in certain areas and don't see any mold or anything anywhere in the house but the smell! Sore subject, I know, but I did buy 3 of the mold test from Home Depot. I did one in my son's room that is the stinkiest, one in the HVAC and one outside. The one in my son's room 24 hours later showed up with a black spot (which scares me after reading the posts here) that was sort of greenish when it started and a white spot. The HVAC had about 10 spots of black and white. The outside one was ridiculous. Right away it showed up black and white and everything! It is awful and fuzzy and scary looking! I guess that is good that it is worse outside than in but I am nervous. My questions ARE: Can the person who sold this to me get away with this or do I have grounds for litigation to have her fix the odor, moisture problem and also, do you all think new carpet and a dehumidifier, air purifier will solve the problem? HELP! Really, ANY advice would be so appreciated. We are on one income so just don't have a ton of money to do much. 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Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Laurie, My first thought after reading this is a seprate issue than mold for the moment. I don't know which state you live in but here is a law in georgia. I know this to be a law for rentors and I believe it is true for buyers and sellors as well although I cannot be certain. I suggest looking up some state laws or calling your closing attorney. Georgia says; http://www.state.ga.us/cgi-bin/pub/ocode/ocgsearch?number=44-7 & format=full 44-7-20 G *** CODE SECTION *** 12/03/01 44-7-20. When the owner of real property, either directly or through an agent, seeks to lease or rent that property for residential occupancy, prior to entering a written agreement for the leasehold of that property, the owner shall, either directly or through an agent, notify the prospective tenant in writing of the property's propensity of flooding if flooding has damaged any portion of the living space covered by the lease or attachments thereto to which the tenant or the tenant's resident relative has sole and exclusive use under the written agreement at least three times during the five-year period immediately preceding the date of the lease. An owner failing to give such notice shall be liable in tort to the tenant and the tenant's family residing on the leased premises for damages to the personal property of the lessee or a resident relative of the lessee which is proximately caused by flooding which occurs during the term of the lease. For purposes of this Code section, flooding is defined as the inundation of a portion of the living space covered by the lease which was caused by an increased water level in an established water source such as a river, stream, or drainage ditch or as a ponding of water at or near the point where heavy or excessive rain fell. This Code section shall apply only to leaseholds entered into on or after July 1, 1995. Like I said I don't know for sure how this compares to the purchase of a home and/or your state laws but That is where you can start. Of course there are other issues you also need to deal with but here is a good place to start. I hope this helps you. Chris... Laurie <lbcmjohnson@...> wrote: Hi...I am new to the group and joined because I feel I have mold issues in a home I just bought. I am really hoping someone can answer my questions or give me their thoughts..it would be so greatly appreciated. We purchased this house 2 months ago. When the real estate agent showed it it smelled so nice inside and was nice and cold since she had the air real low and cool (it is HOT this Summer!) and had a plug in in every outlet. I thought it was just because she was a good agent. I know, I know. Duh. When we moved into the house immediately I took out the wall thingys because they were giving me a headache. In a day I started to smell a moldy smell. As soon as you walk in you can smell it. Only me and a few others smell it and my husband thinks I am crazy but I have great smell and I smell it as soon as I walk in. In my 8 year olds room it smells VERY musty. Like someone shut up wet carpet for a while..ick. My 10 year olds room smells of cat pee. These were all masked by those darned air fresheners. As time goes on we found out that our house has no gutters and a crawl space. We have always had slab and don't know a THING about this. It seems the water just flows under the house and obviously was a real problem at one time. The owner before us installed a sump pump which seems to be keeping the underside dry NOW but I think there was water damage and the owner hid it from us. On the seller's disclosure she put NOTHING about water problems in the past or damage. I called the guy who installed the sump pump and he said he told her about the problem and also that there were a zillion cats living under the house and he complained because it smelled to bad and there was feces, etc. that he had to clean out. So I know she KNEW of the problem. The smell of the house, while not REAL overpowering to the average person, is driving me NUTS because I am worried for my kids' health. I hate that they sleep in rooms that stink. We are all itchy eyes and coughing in the morning, headaches, etc. since we moved in. Unfortunately, we don't have a savings so I could not hire a specialist to check the air but I just KNOW there is a problem. I have checked under the carpet in certain areas and don't see any mold or anything anywhere in the house but the smell! Sore subject, I know, but I did buy 3 of the mold test from Home Depot. I did one in my son's room that is the stinkiest, one in the HVAC and one outside. The one in my son's room 24 hours later showed up with a black spot (which scares me after reading the posts here) that was sort of greenish when it started and a white spot. The HVAC had about 10 spots of black and white. The outside one was ridiculous. Right away it showed up black and white and everything! It is awful and fuzzy and scary looking! I guess that is good that it is worse outside than in but I am nervous. My questions ARE: Can the person who sold this to me get away with this or do I have grounds for litigation to have her fix the odor, moisture problem and also, do you all think new carpet and a dehumidifier, air purifier will solve the problem? HELP! Really, ANY advice would be so appreciated. We are on one income so just don't have a ton of money to do much. Laurie J. Life is a balance of holding on and letting go... --------------------------------- All-new - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 --- In , " Laurie " <lbcmjohnson@...> wrote: >First of all what city and state do you live in??? Some states offer more protection and disclosure than others do. You would have to consult an attorney to know what your rights are exactly.///Did you mean to state cats or rats living below the house???How could cats get into a crawlspace??? is there a door to the crawlspace?///Do you have relatives or friends that you can go and stay with???///For now I would say to at least all sleep in the least bad area of your house at a minimum. It sounds as if the area the house is in is an old creek bed or the lot has severe drainage problems. abbie > Hi...I am new to the group and joined because I feel I have mold > issues in a home I just bought. I am really hoping someone can > answer my questions or give me their thoughts..it would be so > greatly appreciated. We purchased this house 2 months ago. When > the real estate agent showed it it smelled so nice inside and was > nice and cold since she had the air real low and cool (it is HOT > this Summer!) and had a plug in in every outlet. I thought it was > just because she was a good agent. I know, I know. Duh. When we > moved into the house immediately I took out the wall thingys because > they were giving me a headache. In a day I started to smell a moldy > smell. As soon as you walk in you can smell it. Only me and a few > others smell it and my husband thinks I am crazy but I have great > smell and I smell it as soon as I walk in. In my 8 year olds room > it smells VERY musty. Like someone shut up wet carpet for a > while..ick. My 10 year olds room smells of cat pee. These were all > masked by those darned air fresheners. As time goes on we found out > that our house has no gutters and a crawl space. We have always had > slab and don't know a THING about this. It seems the water just > flows under the house and obviously was a real problem at one time. > The owner before us installed a sump pump which seems to be keeping > the underside dry NOW but I think there was water damage and the > owner hid it from us. On the seller's disclosure she put NOTHING > about water problems in the past or damage. I called the guy who > installed the sump pump and he said he told her about the problem > and also that there were a zillion cats living under the house and > he complained because it smelled to bad and there was feces, etc. > that he had to clean out. So I know she KNEW of the problem. The > smell of the house, while not REAL overpowering to the average > person, is driving me NUTS because I am worried for my kids' > health. I hate that they sleep in rooms that stink. We are all > itchy eyes and coughing in the morning, headaches, etc. since we > moved in. Unfortunately, we don't have a savings so I could not > hire a specialist to check the air but I just KNOW there is a > problem. I have checked under the carpet in certain areas and don't > see any mold or anything anywhere in the house but the smell! Sore > subject, I know, but I did buy 3 of the mold test from Home Depot. > I did one in my son's room that is the stinkiest, one in the HVAC > and one outside. The one in my son's room 24 hours later showed up > with a black spot (which scares me after reading the posts here) > that was sort of greenish when it started and a white spot. The > HVAC had about 10 spots of black and white. The outside one was > ridiculous. Right away it showed up black and white and > everything! It is awful and fuzzy and scary looking! I guess that > is good that it is worse outside than in but I am nervous. My > questions ARE: Can the person who sold this to me get away with > this or do I have grounds for litigation to have her fix the odor, > moisture problem and also, do you all think new carpet and a > dehumidifier, air purifier will solve the problem? HELP! Really, > ANY advice would be so appreciated. We are on one income so just > don't have a ton of money to do much. Laurie J. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 -hi, your situation sounds familur,the smell is telling you theres a problem weather you see it or not. sounds like you have a mold problem. you do need to have professionals come in and do tape and swab testing.if no mold is visable and sence there is a bad smell, air testing might be better at detecting types of mold.if air testing is done, the main thing is finding a trust worthy professiol and have him come to the home first and explain that money is limited, get estaments on costs of testing, he may look around first and find visable mold for testing.get a few different estaments, and check them out good before you hire anyone, I'm guessing you might have a severe problem under the home from what you've stated. start documenting everything, includeing symptoms of everyone, temp's,anything unusual or out of place, daily,and I would even note the weather condictions out side with this.I wouldn't advice calling your insurance company at this time, but do read your policy and see if it discludes mold in any way,shape or form. if you have a mold, moisture,and/or other problem and it wasn't disclosed on disclosier statement, thats fraud by the sellers and very posably the real estate agent that sold it to you. and document in writeing about the air fresheners and anything else that may point to a attemp of covering up the mold problem.it's very important to date everything you write.try to always have someone present besides yourself as witness and document everything said with dates. I would look for a toxic tort attorney that does litagation cases. a realestate attorney who also does personal injury cases, maybe? ask a lot of questions and check background of all involved. ask point blank if they have any conflicts of interest. I dont know if you can get a attorney without some form of proof of a mold problem. but if you can find one that does these cases, I would talk to him before doing anything. i would try to deturmine the least smelly place and have everyone sleep there at night, or even consider a tent in the yard. your health is the most important.-- In , " Laurie " <lbcmjohnson@...> wrote: > > Hi...I am new to the group and joined because I feel I have mold > issues in a home I just bought. I am really hoping someone can > answer my questions or give me their thoughts..it would be so > greatly appreciated. We purchased this house 2 months ago. When > the real estate agent showed it it smelled so nice inside and was > nice and cold since she had the air real low and cool (it is HOT > this Summer!) and had a plug in in every outlet. I thought it was > just because she was a good agent. I know, I know. Duh. When we > moved into the house immediately I took out the wall thingys because > they were giving me a headache. In a day I started to smell a moldy > smell. As soon as you walk in you can smell it. Only me and a few > others smell it and my husband thinks I am crazy but I have great > smell and I smell it as soon as I walk in. In my 8 year olds room > it smells VERY musty. Like someone shut up wet carpet for a > while..ick. My 10 year olds room smells of cat pee. These were all > masked by those darned air fresheners. As time goes on we found out > that our house has no gutters and a crawl space. We have always had > slab and don't know a THING about this. It seems the water just > flows under the house and obviously was a real problem at one time. > The owner before us installed a sump pump which seems to be keeping > the underside dry NOW but I think there was water damage and the > owner hid it from us. On the seller's disclosure she put NOTHING > about water problems in the past or damage. I called the guy who > installed the sump pump and he said he told her about the problem > and also that there were a zillion cats living under the house and > he complained because it smelled to bad and there was feces, etc. > that he had to clean out. So I know she KNEW of the problem. The > smell of the house, while not REAL overpowering to the average > person, is driving me NUTS because I am worried for my kids' > health. I hate that they sleep in rooms that stink. We are all > itchy eyes and coughing in the morning, headaches, etc. since we > moved in. Unfortunately, we don't have a savings so I could not > hire a specialist to check the air but I just KNOW there is a > problem. I have checked under the carpet in certain areas and don't > see any mold or anything anywhere in the house but the smell! Sore > subject, I know, but I did buy 3 of the mold test from Home Depot. > I did one in my son's room that is the stinkiest, one in the HVAC > and one outside. The one in my son's room 24 hours later showed up > with a black spot (which scares me after reading the posts here) > that was sort of greenish when it started and a white spot. The > HVAC had about 10 spots of black and white. The outside one was > ridiculous. Right away it showed up black and white and > everything! It is awful and fuzzy and scary looking! I guess that > is good that it is worse outside than in but I am nervous. My > questions ARE: Can the person who sold this to me get away with > this or do I have grounds for litigation to have her fix the odor, > moisture problem and also, do you all think new carpet and a > dehumidifier, air purifier will solve the problem? HELP! Really, > ANY advice would be so appreciated. We are on one income so just > don't have a ton of money to do much. Laurie J. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS This was posted a while back. Mold in the Home: How it Affects REALTORS® http://www.realtor.org/gapublic.nsf/pages/moldpapers > Hi...I am new to the group and joined because I feel I have mold > issues in a home I just bought. I am really hoping someone can > answer my questions or give me their thoughts..it would be so > greatly appreciated. We purchased this house 2 months ago. When > the real estate agent showed it it smelled so nice inside and was > nice and cold since she had the air real low and cool (it is HOT > this Summer!) and had a plug in in every outlet. I thought it was > just because she was a good agent. I know, I know. Duh. When we > moved into the house immediately I took out the wall thingys because > they were giving me a headache. In a day I started to smell a moldy > smell. As soon as you walk in you can smell it. Only me and a few > others smell it and my husband thinks I am crazy but I have great > smell and I smell it as soon as I walk in. In my 8 year olds room > it smells VERY musty. Like someone shut up wet carpet for a > while..ick. My 10 year olds room smells of cat pee. These were all > masked by those darned air fresheners. As time goes on we found out > that our house has no gutters and a crawl space. We have always had > slab and don't know a THING about this. It seems the water just > flows under the house and obviously was a real problem at one time. > The owner before us installed a sump pump which seems to be keeping > the underside dry NOW but I think there was water damage and the > owner hid it from us. On the seller's disclosure she put NOTHING > about water problems in the past or damage. I called the guy who > installed the sump pump and he said he told her about the problem > and also that there were a zillion cats living under the house and > he complained because it smelled to bad and there was feces, etc. > that he had to clean out. So I know she KNEW of the problem. The > smell of the house, while not REAL overpowering to the average > person, is driving me NUTS because I am worried for my kids' > health. I hate that they sleep in rooms that stink. We are all > itchy eyes and coughing in the morning, headaches, etc. since we > moved in. Unfortunately, we don't have a savings so I could not > hire a specialist to check the air but I just KNOW there is a > problem. I have checked under the carpet in certain areas and don't > see any mold or anything anywhere in the house but the smell! Sore > subject, I know, but I did buy 3 of the mold test from Home Depot. > I did one in my son's room that is the stinkiest, one in the HVAC > and one outside. The one in my son's room 24 hours later showed up > with a black spot (which scares me after reading the posts here) > that was sort of greenish when it started and a white spot. The > HVAC had about 10 spots of black and white. The outside one was > ridiculous. Right away it showed up black and white and > everything! It is awful and fuzzy and scary looking! I guess that > is good that it is worse outside than in but I am nervous. My > questions ARE: Can the person who sold this to me get away with > this or do I have grounds for litigation to have her fix the odor, > moisture problem and also, do you all think new carpet and a > dehumidifier, air purifier will solve the problem? HELP! Really, > ANY advice would be so appreciated. We are on one income so just > don't have a ton of money to do much. Laurie J. > > > > > > > Life is a balance of holding on and letting go... > > --------------------------------- > All-new - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 In a message dated 9/20/2006 6:54:11 AM Central Standard Time, ldelp84227@... writes: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS This was posted a while back. Mold in the Home: How it Affects REALTORS® _http://www.realtor.http://www.rehttp://wwwhttp://www_ (http://www.realtor.org/gapublic.nsf/pages/moldpapers) I am glad you posted this article. It reflects how specific organizations have systematically undermined any connection to the serious nature of indoor mold exposure. This article perpetuates the misconceptions and negativity towards those legitimately ill from exposure to toxic molds. By only acknowledging a relationship to mold exposure and allergies then making the statement " that some people claim " continues to undermine and negate the serious aspects to exposure. Further, it uses the argument to support their claim (in diminishing any real harmful effects of mold exposure) through the statement that there are no established standards for acceptable levels of indoor mold. Where oh where have we heard this before? " There is little scientific research on how mold may affect a person’s health. As scientists already know, some molds are good, such as those used to make penicillin. However, some people may be more sensitive to mold than others, just as some people are more sensitive to dust, food, or trees. In these people, allergic reactions such as sneezing, itchy eyes, and coughing are possible. Although scientific research on the relationship between mold and health problems is inconclusive, some people have claimed that exposure to mold can result in more serious health problems such as triggering asthma attacks, memory loss, neurological problems or even death. Because different people react in different ways to mold exposure, it is difficult to determine how dangerous mold in the home may be. For this reason, experts still do not know at what level exposure to mold becomes a health risk in any given instance. Currently, there are no established standards for acceptable levels of indoor mold. " To continue on in the context of this article and site the big win lawsuits only continues to reinforce the negative public image of people being exposed to molds- getting a few sneezes and coughs and then claiming millions of dollars in damages!!!! It is this very image that the public holds when they hear the words " mold, housing and illness. " I do not mean to offend any Realtors here however, The National Association of Realtors has a vested financial interest in perpetuating the misleading belief that there are little to no harmful effects resulting from indoor mold exposure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 It's tragic that there isn't some kind of national persistant registry where people can detail their experiences with properties. This would help both buyers and sellers make informed and realistic decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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