Re: Re: ProLabs Rebuttal to Consumer Reports /Barb & Mr. Grimes

[Guest guest]

Hi Barb,

Actually I don't need to do any more test for anything at this point. Now it

is more curiosity and experimentation that keeps me talking about it. I only

used the ProLab kits just to test my samples to see what would happen after a

year of being sealed and as I said they came back the same as the original

professional tests did. If I ever do any further testing outside of

experimenting I would have a professional do it. Now that I believe this is what

Mr. Grimes does it would only make sense to hire him being how the house I got

sick in is in Kennesaw GA. I believe he is from somewhere in Atlanta.

Chris...

bbw <barb1283@...> wrote:

I think plates from Dallas Environmental Center

would be very trustworthy if you are having

second thoughts about Pro Lab. 4 for 100.00

--- " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote:

>

>

> It could be any of those possible errors and it

> doesn't have to be

> the same error each time. Each instance could

> be different. This is

> why verifiable Quality Control and consistency

> is so important. It is

> all based on trust.

>

> If the plates were being prepared at the

> manufacturer under

> verifiable conditions and then sealed for

> shipment, very few of the

> plates would have growth before exposure. If

> they did, and

> occasionally this happens, it is obvious and

> you know when it

> happened. (You can perform your own version of

> this quality check by

> pouring the plate and then waiting 4-5 days

> before exposing it).

>

> But all this costs more.

>

> Which leads to one of the reasons professionals

> often send a blank,

> unexposed plate from the same lot to the lab

> along with the exposed

> plates. The labs don't just set the plates on a

> table or shelf

> waiting for mold to grow. They use standardized

> and documented

> temperature and humidity to increase their

> Quality Control. Different

> species of the same genera, Aspergillus, for

> example, thrive at

> different temperatures and humidity. One that

> doesn't grow on the

> shelf may grow in the lab.

>

> But all this costs more.

>

> If you use a low cost home test kit for mold,

> radon or lead paint,

> etc - and I sometimes advise my clients to do

> just that - be aware of

> the limitations and possible errors. With low

> cost (and less control

> of the variables by the lab) I suggest you take

> double samples to see

> if the results are similar. (Which doubles the

> cost of your low cost

> samples). If you get results that are of

> concern, hire a professional

> with verifiable credentials and references to

> perform the

> comprehensive inspection that ProLab specifies

> in their rebuttal

> letter.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>

> -----

> > Mr. Grimes,

> > I was not aware that there was mold in the

> liquid before opening the

> > bottle. Is is suppose to be that way? If so

> how are we to believe

> > anyone could get any kind of a result about

> what we would be testing

> > that was not already tainted? That would

> mean there is no such thing

> > as a negative test result would it not?

> This is very interesting. as

> > I continue to learn about this I am finding

> myself with a new

> > interest and hobby. Chris...

> >

> > " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Yes it does. But also consider mold in the

> liquid that doesn't grow

> > until after you open the kits.

> >

> > Carl Grimes

> > Healthy Habitats LLC

> >

> > -----

> > > Mr. Grimes,

> > > I defiantly will. As I said my concern is

> how we are getting kits

> > > unopened that have mold growth in them when

> the " sterile " bag they

> > > ship the kits in has been un opened. This

> is my concern. If this be

> > > the case, then the plates and/or liquid is

> already contaminated

> > > before we ever open any of the products up.

> Does that make sense?

> > > Chris...

> > >

> > > " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > If the plate is activated but not exposed

> to the air it should have

> > > no growth. If it does then the liquid was

> already contaminated or

> > > the always present mold in the air got into

> the liquid or onto the

> > > plate as it was poured in.

> > >

> > > If the plate has been exposed to the air it

> should have at least 1

> > > or 2 colonies because of the always present

> mold in the air. If it

> > > doesn't then you don't know..... You didn't

> leave it exposed long

> > > enough or the plate won't grow mold, the

> plate won't grow that

> > > specific mold, the mold is too small to

> settle out of the air and

> > > onto the plate... or something else.

> > >

> > > Let us know what you discover with your

> experiments.

> > >

> > > Carl Grimes

> > > Healthy Habitats LLC

> > >

> > > -----

> > > > Hi Barb,

> > > > Seems I remember reading on the

> instruction sheet about the other

> > > > substance being in the dish already but

> was not easily seen. I

> > > > know after you empty the bottle I thought

> I would get a free test

> > > > by leaving the bottle open and sitting in

> a suspected contaminated

> > > > area. The liquid never turned to gel.

> This was another indicator

> > > > to me there was something in the dish it

> had to mix with. What is

> > > > suspicious to me is that the kit I told

> you I found at wally world

> > > > and even the one you got sent to you from

> ProLab themselves

> > > > already had mold growth. This should not

> be possible if in fact

> > > > the sealed bags they come in are in fact

> sterile. Now that I am

> > > > thinking about it I am becoming very

> suspicious of these kits

> > > > period. If there is growth in even some

> of the sealed bags than

> > > > how do we know this " sterile " swab we are

> to use to put sample in

> > > > the dish with is sterile at all. Have you

> ever " not " seen growth

> > > > of some kind in a dish you have tested?

> Anybody else? I trust Mr

> > > > Grimes opinion without any doubt in my

> mind and I think I am

> > > > taking his information and going one step

> further. I just can't

> > > > see that these kits are helpful at all. I

> am even thinking it may

> > > > cause more fear than help. I am only

> thinking that at the moment

> > > > but when I have a few extra $, I am going

> to get a few kits and do

> > > > a couple of experiments and see what

> conclusion I come up with. I

> > > > will try my best to come up with a

> negative plate and I will post

> > > > the pictures of the experiments I do. I

> will let you know when I

> > > > can do this. Chris...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Life is a balance of holding on and letting

> go...

> > >

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[Guest guest]

that makes perfect sense!!

--- Tazin Round <unitedstatesvet@...>

wrote:

> Hi Barb,

> Actually I don't need to do any more test for

> anything at this point. Now it is more

> curiosity and experimentation that keeps me

> talking about it. I only used the ProLab kits

> just to test my samples to see what would

> happen after a year of being sealed and as I

> said they came back the same as the original

> professional tests did. If I ever do any

> further testing outside of experimenting I

> would have a professional do it. Now that I

> believe this is what Mr. Grimes does it would

> only make sense to hire him being how the house

> I got sick in is in Kennesaw GA. I believe he

> is from somewhere in Atlanta.

> Chris...

>