Re: selling illegal white lightening

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Neither do I! That's why I'll second the motion to join the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund. That is the umbrella group we all desperately need. It was formed by WAP to bring everyone together to have lawyers to represent any and all of us, paid for by contributions from farmers and consumers alike.

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[Guest guest]

Neither do I! That's why I'll second the motion to join the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund. That is the umbrella group we all desperately need. It was formed by WAP to bring everyone together to have lawyers to represent any and all of us, paid for by contributions from farmers and consumers alike.

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[Guest guest]

Neither do I! That's why I'll second the motion to join the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund. That is the umbrella group we all desperately need. It was formed by WAP to bring everyone together to have lawyers to represent any and all of us, paid for by contributions from farmers and consumers alike.

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there is at least that farmers fund in the US you guys can join. To my knowledge there isn't such an animal up here.

Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@..."The person who wants something will find a way. The person who doesn’t will find an excuse."

Re: selling illegal white lightening

Unfortunately that is what the government wants. They want us to remain silent and underground rather than open and public. Coming together under a single umbrella association would give us the numbers to help protect ourselves. Why are we all so unwilling to take this step to protect what we all say we believe in so strongly?

Kurtis

what is happening is stupid harassment - we all know this. but how many of us that are selling the white stuff - be it legally or otherwise, would be willing to do what Mark Nolt has done? We don't have the resources in our court to fight something like this.... like the men and women of yesteryear bootlegging, you just keep a low profile.

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there is at least that farmers fund in the US you guys can join. To my knowledge there isn't such an animal up here.

Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@..."The person who wants something will find a way. The person who doesn’t will find an excuse."

Re: selling illegal white lightening

Unfortunately that is what the government wants. They want us to remain silent and underground rather than open and public. Coming together under a single umbrella association would give us the numbers to help protect ourselves. Why are we all so unwilling to take this step to protect what we all say we believe in so strongly?

Kurtis

what is happening is stupid harassment - we all know this. but how many of us that are selling the white stuff - be it legally or otherwise, would be willing to do what Mark Nolt has done? We don't have the resources in our court to fight something like this.... like the men and women of yesteryear bootlegging, you just keep a low profile.

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there is at least that farmers fund in the US you guys can join. To my knowledge there isn't such an animal up here.

Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@..."The person who wants something will find a way. The person who doesn’t will find an excuse."

Re: selling illegal white lightening

Unfortunately that is what the government wants. They want us to remain silent and underground rather than open and public. Coming together under a single umbrella association would give us the numbers to help protect ourselves. Why are we all so unwilling to take this step to protect what we all say we believe in so strongly?

Kurtis

what is happening is stupid harassment - we all know this. but how many of us that are selling the white stuff - be it legally or otherwise, would be willing to do what Mark Nolt has done? We don't have the resources in our court to fight something like this.... like the men and women of yesteryear bootlegging, you just keep a low profile.

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[Guest guest]

We are consumers, and don't really expect to be prosecuted. But our family sent

money as

well, because we want 'our' farmers to have protection and advice if they need

it. (Probably,

'when' they need it)

>

> " That's why I sent my money into Farm to Consumer Legal Defense Fund,

> am counting on them to get me out of a jam should I get into one! "

>

> Plus - this team of lawyers SPECIALIZES in raw milk law!

>

[Guest guest]

We are consumers, and don't really expect to be prosecuted. But our family sent

money as

well, because we want 'our' farmers to have protection and advice if they need

it. (Probably,

'when' they need it)

>

> " That's why I sent my money into Farm to Consumer Legal Defense Fund,

> am counting on them to get me out of a jam should I get into one! "

>

> Plus - this team of lawyers SPECIALIZES in raw milk law!

>

[Guest guest]

you can join here

http://www.ftcldf.org/

> > >

> > > i don't know about anyone else, but i don't have the financial

> > resources for a team of lawyers...... etc

> > > ro

> > >

> > Neither do I! That's why I'll second the motion to join the Farm-

> to-

> > Consumer Legal Defense Fund. That is the umbrella group we all

> > desperately need. It was formed by WAP to bring everyone together

> to

> > have lawyers to represent any and all of us, paid for by

> > contributions from farmers and consumers alike.

> >

> > We have gotten our membership fees back many times over already

> when

> > Missouri sent out cease-and-desist letters last fall. We are now

> in a

> > stronger position here than ever before...as a result of the

> > intervention by the FTCLDF, we now have a letter in hand signed by

> > the Exec Director of the State Milk Board apologizing for

> > the 'misunderstanding', and assuring us that it is legal to sell

> milk

> > and cream from the farm without a permit after all.

> >

> > This group is representing Mark McAfee in the ongoing California

> raw

> > milk debate, if it can be called that.

> >

> > I urge you all to let your customers and real food enthusiast

> friends

> > know that if we all joined this group, we would be able to present

> a

> > team of lawyers for any trouble that might come up, and it appears

> > that it will keep coming up. Let's band together and form a strong

> > united front, not just in rhetoric but in actual dollars backing

> up a

> > great team of dedicated people to help defend our rights to good

> > food.

> >

> > Kathy in MO

> >

>

[Guest guest]

you can join here

http://www.ftcldf.org/

> > >

> > > i don't know about anyone else, but i don't have the financial

> > resources for a team of lawyers...... etc

> > > ro

> > >

> > Neither do I! That's why I'll second the motion to join the Farm-

> to-

> > Consumer Legal Defense Fund. That is the umbrella group we all

> > desperately need. It was formed by WAP to bring everyone together

> to

> > have lawyers to represent any and all of us, paid for by

> > contributions from farmers and consumers alike.

> >

> > We have gotten our membership fees back many times over already

> when

> > Missouri sent out cease-and-desist letters last fall. We are now

> in a

> > stronger position here than ever before...as a result of the

> > intervention by the FTCLDF, we now have a letter in hand signed by

> > the Exec Director of the State Milk Board apologizing for

> > the 'misunderstanding', and assuring us that it is legal to sell

> milk

> > and cream from the farm without a permit after all.

> >

> > This group is representing Mark McAfee in the ongoing California

> raw

> > milk debate, if it can be called that.

> >

> > I urge you all to let your customers and real food enthusiast

> friends

> > know that if we all joined this group, we would be able to present

> a

> > team of lawyers for any trouble that might come up, and it appears

> > that it will keep coming up. Let's band together and form a strong

> > united front, not just in rhetoric but in actual dollars backing

> up a

> > great team of dedicated people to help defend our rights to good

> > food.

> >

> > Kathy in MO

> >

>

[Guest guest]

you can join here

http://www.ftcldf.org/

> > >

> > > i don't know about anyone else, but i don't have the financial

> > resources for a team of lawyers...... etc

> > > ro

> > >

> > Neither do I! That's why I'll second the motion to join the Farm-

> to-

> > Consumer Legal Defense Fund. That is the umbrella group we all

> > desperately need. It was formed by WAP to bring everyone together

> to

> > have lawyers to represent any and all of us, paid for by

> > contributions from farmers and consumers alike.

> >

> > We have gotten our membership fees back many times over already

> when

> > Missouri sent out cease-and-desist letters last fall. We are now

> in a

> > stronger position here than ever before...as a result of the

> > intervention by the FTCLDF, we now have a letter in hand signed by

> > the Exec Director of the State Milk Board apologizing for

> > the 'misunderstanding', and assuring us that it is legal to sell

> milk

> > and cream from the farm without a permit after all.

> >

> > This group is representing Mark McAfee in the ongoing California

> raw

> > milk debate, if it can be called that.

> >

> > I urge you all to let your customers and real food enthusiast

> friends

> > know that if we all joined this group, we would be able to present

> a

> > team of lawyers for any trouble that might come up, and it appears

> > that it will keep coming up. Let's band together and form a strong

> > united front, not just in rhetoric but in actual dollars backing

> up a

> > great team of dedicated people to help defend our rights to good

> > food.

> >

> > Kathy in MO

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That's a wise move. If the farmer gets in trouble and closes up shop

the consumer is SOL.

Belinda

> >

> > " That's why I sent my money into Farm to Consumer Legal Defense Fund,

> > am counting on them to get me out of a jam should I get into one! "

> >

> > Plus - this team of lawyers SPECIALIZES in raw milk law!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That's a wise move. If the farmer gets in trouble and closes up shop

the consumer is SOL.

Belinda

> >

> > " That's why I sent my money into Farm to Consumer Legal Defense Fund,

> > am counting on them to get me out of a jam should I get into one! "

> >

> > Plus - this team of lawyers SPECIALIZES in raw milk law!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That's a wise move. If the farmer gets in trouble and closes up shop

the consumer is SOL.

Belinda

> >

> > " That's why I sent my money into Farm to Consumer Legal Defense Fund,

> > am counting on them to get me out of a jam should I get into one! "

> >

> > Plus - this team of lawyers SPECIALIZES in raw milk law!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

We have made some enquiries and have spoken with this body about expansion into canada. What is needed at this point is a lawyer that fits the criteria. So from our current understanding it can be done. We are actively persueing a lawyer for this.One network across two countries is better than splitting it up.Kurtisthere is at least that farmers fund in the US you guys can join.  To my knowledge there isn't such an animal up here.Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@..."The person who wants something will find a way.  The person who doesn’t will find an excuse."   Re: selling illegal white lighteningUnfortunately that is what the government wants. They want us to remain silent and underground rather than open and public. Coming together under a single umbrella association would give us the numbers to help protect ourselves. Why are we all so unwilling to take this step to protect what we all say we believe in so strongly?Kurtiswhat is happening is stupid harassment - we all know this.  but how many of us that are selling the white stuff - be it legally or otherwise, would be willing to do what Mark Nolt has done?  We don't have the resources in our court to fight something like this....  like the men and women of yesteryear bootlegging, you just keep a low profile.roNo virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1400 - Release Date: 4/27/2008 9:39 AM

[Guest guest]

We have made some enquiries and have spoken with this body about expansion into canada. What is needed at this point is a lawyer that fits the criteria. So from our current understanding it can be done. We are actively persueing a lawyer for this.One network across two countries is better than splitting it up.Kurtisthere is at least that farmers fund in the US you guys can join.  To my knowledge there isn't such an animal up here.Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@..."The person who wants something will find a way.  The person who doesn’t will find an excuse."   Re: selling illegal white lighteningUnfortunately that is what the government wants. They want us to remain silent and underground rather than open and public. Coming together under a single umbrella association would give us the numbers to help protect ourselves. Why are we all so unwilling to take this step to protect what we all say we believe in so strongly?Kurtiswhat is happening is stupid harassment - we all know this.  but how many of us that are selling the white stuff - be it legally or otherwise, would be willing to do what Mark Nolt has done?  We don't have the resources in our court to fight something like this....  like the men and women of yesteryear bootlegging, you just keep a low profile.roNo virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1400 - Release Date: 4/27/2008 9:39 AM

[Guest guest]

We have made some enquiries and have spoken with this body about expansion into canada. What is needed at this point is a lawyer that fits the criteria. So from our current understanding it can be done. We are actively persueing a lawyer for this.One network across two countries is better than splitting it up.Kurtisthere is at least that farmers fund in the US you guys can join.  To my knowledge there isn't such an animal up here.Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@..."The person who wants something will find a way.  The person who doesn’t will find an excuse."   Re: selling illegal white lighteningUnfortunately that is what the government wants. They want us to remain silent and underground rather than open and public. Coming together under a single umbrella association would give us the numbers to help protect ourselves. Why are we all so unwilling to take this step to protect what we all say we believe in so strongly?Kurtiswhat is happening is stupid harassment - we all know this.  but how many of us that are selling the white stuff - be it legally or otherwise, would be willing to do what Mark Nolt has done?  We don't have the resources in our court to fight something like this....  like the men and women of yesteryear bootlegging, you just keep a low profile.roNo virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1400 - Release Date: 4/27/2008 9:39 AM

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While it is true you would not likely have a legal issue, it is all too true that if the battle is lost you lose another "right to chose" what you feed your family. So it is just as important to the consumer as the farmer. Wish there where more people like yourselves out there.We are consumers, and don't really expect to be prosecuted. But our family sent money as well, because we want 'our' farmers to have protection and advice if they need it. (Probably, 'when' they need it)>> "That's why I sent my money into Farm to Consumer Legal Defense Fund, > am counting on them to get me out of a jam should I get into one!"> > Plus - this team of lawyers SPECIALIZES in raw milk law!>

[Guest guest]

amen to that sentiment. I have noticed how the raids in the US are copied up here. Lots happened in the US right before they went after Schmidt for example. I think if we had some backing up here on the legal side it would be awesome. Email me private and let me know how I can help.

Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@..."The person who wants something will find a way. The person who doesn’t will find an excuse."

Re: selling illegal white lightening

Unfortunately that is what the government wants. They want us to remain silent and underground rather than open and public. Coming together under a single umbrella association would give us the numbers to help protect ourselves. Why are we all so unwilling to take this step to protect what we all say we believe in so strongly?

Kurtis

what is happening is stupid harassment - we all know this. but how many of us that are selling the white stuff - be it legally or otherwise, would be willing to do what Mark Nolt has done? We don't have the resources in our court to fight something like this.... like the men and women of yesteryear bootlegging, you just keep a low profile.

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[Guest guest]

amen to that sentiment. I have noticed how the raids in the US are copied up here. Lots happened in the US right before they went after Schmidt for example. I think if we had some backing up here on the legal side it would be awesome. Email me private and let me know how I can help.

Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@..."The person who wants something will find a way. The person who doesn’t will find an excuse."

Re: selling illegal white lightening

Unfortunately that is what the government wants. They want us to remain silent and underground rather than open and public. Coming together under a single umbrella association would give us the numbers to help protect ourselves. Why are we all so unwilling to take this step to protect what we all say we believe in so strongly?

Kurtis

what is happening is stupid harassment - we all know this. but how many of us that are selling the white stuff - be it legally or otherwise, would be willing to do what Mark Nolt has done? We don't have the resources in our court to fight something like this.... like the men and women of yesteryear bootlegging, you just keep a low profile.

ro

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