/Re: Made a choice

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Annie , I posted that to her. That she will be under a study, much like a guenie pig for a manufacturer 's new promised product. You would think they would pay her for taking on all the risk for them to make a buck. ---- Original Message -----

From: ann53ie

Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:36 AM

Subject: /Re: Made a choice

Dear , I did some research on the new gel type implants you mentioned, this morning. Are you aware that they have never been tested for safety and even the FDA hasn't approved them as safe? The FDA is pretty lose (my opinion). If they haven't even approved them, that's a real red flag to me, along with NO testing for safety. I hope you'll do more research before proceeding with your planned implant with these, . I'm concerned for you. Love, Annie> > Hi , For what it's worth, I did ask my doctor if there were > any "safe" implant options, as I began the less than 24 hour > countdown before being explanted. I knew I had to get the silicone > out. I knew the reports on this site and others had put thumbs down > on saline as an option. I had read a small amount about the new gummy > implants, but not enough to really know squat about them. I just knew > how the silicone and saline were touted as safe, initially, for so > many years, and by some, still, despite extensive illnesses and some > deaths. My doctor's response....."No, there are no safe implants." > Not what I wanted to hear, but she's studied implants and their > effects for many years. I feel she placed my health above increasing > her income by another set of implants. THIS IS NOT A SLAM AGAINST > YOUR DOCTOR!!! I know many doctors/surgeons TRULY BELIEVE that > implants of ANY type are safe and don't cause problems. Many go by > what the FDA says. Many go by what the AMA says. The Internet is a > fabulous way to do YOUR OWN research, with VAST information, > facts/figures available. I hope you'll protect your own future by > really digging into the info available, prior to your surgery. There > are some wonderful doctors in this world, and I hope you have one of > them. However, they do not have to live with their errors in > judgment, for the most part. We, their patients do. I know I wear my > doctors out with all the questions, checking, and suggestions, but > it's MY body, MY health on the line, not theirs. Many doctors resent > any questioning of their protocol. I believe a doctor should admire > those who actively seek to steer their own ship, rather than just > complacently follow doctor's orders. If you look up all the surgery > goofs, the medication goofs and casualties, etc., I think you'll > agree we have to be pro-active in protecting ourselves, despite this > advanced age of science we live in. I also think if you do much > research, you'll find that the body typically tends to try to reject > any foreign objects in it. Whatever you decide, you will be the one > to benefit or pay the price, not your doctor. I don't know how else > to say it, . That's just my opinion, based on my experience and > my EXTENSIVE MEDICAL RESEARCH for MANY, MANY YEARS. I probably have a > medical library at home larger than most physicians. I've soaked up > medical info for about 35 years. It's been my passionate hobby. I > drive my family doctor crazy with my persistence towards alternative > medicine, but the more I learn about traditional medicine and it's > blunders, cover-ups, and results, the more I lean towards the > natural, alternative approaches. God designed us and when we don't > follow His plan for health and maintenance, I think we'll always come > up with less than desireable results. He didn't make me with 38C > boobs. He made me with 36A boobs. I messed with His original > creation, and have suffered almost 18 years for doing so. Did God > actively punish me? I don't believe so. I think He just allowed me to > reap what I had sown....silicone into my body. It wasn't for a > medical necessity or to correct a horrible deformity....it was > vanity, my own. I wish I had bolstered my inner self and dwelled on > improving my self-esteem by traits that would last, not by implants > that appear to have poisoned me, possibly shortened my life, and > definitely robbed me of what should have been pain-free, healthy > living for many years. My husband has said several times, he wonders > what would have happened to me if I had not taken care of myself as I > have, with extensive protocols for vitamins, minerals, herbs, etc. He > feels like they really helped protect me from a much worse outcome > from the implants, than what I experienced. I wish you the best. I > hope you take the above in the way I meant it, in love, and with > concern for YOU. If the gummy implants can be safe for you, with no > side effects, then I'm sure you'll be very happy with them. I've just > read too many reports of the other side of the coin from implanted > ladies around the world, and know what can happen, despite the best > promises prior to implant. I want you to be spared of any later > surprises that can wreck your life. Keep in touch and let us know > what you decide to do. The fact that you visited this site, tells me > you are one to try to check things out for yourself. That's good! > Keep searching, and I hope you find your answers. Love, Annie> PS-Submuscular placement is supposed to help prevent scar tissue and > capsular contracture as opposed to above the muscle; however, if > things go wrong, it's much more invasive to get the implant material > out. The recovery from initial surgery is usually longer for > submuscular, also. Do you have any frequent back or shoulder > trouble/pain? If so, please look up the muscles involved in the > submuscular placement. They extend into the upper arms, which could > help create more havoc with shoulder/back pain. After I arrived at > this tentative conclusion, I posed it with a plastic surgeon, who > confirmed it to be true. As far as size, I got 300cc implants on a > 5'7", 135lb frame, which resulted in a C cup, as stated earlier. I > looked pretty busty. I would think 270cc might make you pretty top-> heavy, I dunno. You might want to review the data on when they put > silicone in breasts without any shells, as far as seeing how a > foreign material can react, migrate, etc. in the body. The shells are > a nuisance, but actually seem to be a slight safeguard, compared to > no shell. I would be interested in Dr Blais, or Dr Vasey, or Dr > Shanklin's opinions/comments on the implant material you're > considering. They might provide some food for thought. Good luck!> > > > > I wanted to let you all know that I have made my appt to get my > > implants put in November 24th here in Texas. I am feeling pretty > self > > assured about it, I am getting the new choesive gel implants, > > submuscular, in a small size, only 270cc is what we feel will be > > natural on my small upper frame. I am only 105 pounds. I know that > > this is kind of an anti implant site, but I really appreciate the > > information here, however, it still seems to me that since I will > be > > in the study that I have a good chance of being fine with the new > > cohesives. I talked to a lady on explantation.com and she seems to > > think that they are very safe. She is very happy with her set. They > > are also small, soft very natural and comfortable compared to the > > saline. They also do not leak like the silicone gel, they are > > comparable to a gummy bear.> > Thanks to all of you for your opinions and hope for me that all > goes > > well. I will keep you updated if you would ike to know about how > > things go for me. I hope that you all do not feel offended by my > > choice to get implants. For me it is just somthing I feel i must > take > > the chance on, I am hopeful that since they are a new different > > implant that will make a differenc, they cannot leak and they > cannot > > grow bacteria or mold??? anyhow I do appreciate the time you all > took > > to answer me and feel very much educated now and that I can go into > > this surgery with a feeling of knowledge. There were a million > papers > > to sign and lots of stuff my surgeon went over with me. He was very > > very honest in that this is a study, I will have MRI's every year > > after the first year, they will monitor my health and any symptoms > > that I would have. I think that is a really smart way to go about > > implantation in this day and age.> > I am willing to share my Dr's name off the site if anyone else is > > considering getting implants. I would not get saline as i do nt > feel > > the fluid in them stays sterile and I would never get gels because > of > > the fact that all implants eventually leak, with cohesive gel > > implants you have neither of those risks. It sounds like the best > > option. Has anyone else here had those type of implants?> > thanks> >

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I can really understand how you feel. I really can. And i

understand why you are willing to take the risks. Have you asked if

they thought there were any other things they could do without

putting in implants? It seems to me with all plastic surgeons can

do, there must be something. I know Dr. Feng talked like there

might be other options if my breasts didn't look right after

explant. Which they didn't and I just haven't been back. My skin

had stretched and now doesn't look right.

As someone who was extremely flat--boys with a little weight are

bigger than me, I definitely understand your feelings. I would have

done anything to keep a guy from seeing my breasts. But it didn't

appear to bother my first husband. He thought I was great. But it

still bothered ME. I always felt he was settling.

Perhaps you could at least call Dr. Feng's office and explain the

situation. Tell her you are unsure about implants but you have

these tuberous breasts and is there anything that can be done. She

does alot of explants and researches alot but is also realistic.

She is a brilliant lady and a great plastic surgeon. You could even

send her pics of your breasts--Iknow she has a website and ask her

to take a look and see if she thinks she could help you without

implants. At least you will feel you covered all your options. You

can get breast implants anytime. So take the time to cover every

possible base first. You sound like a wonderful person and I would

sure hate for you to have any chance of getting sick if something

else less dangerous could make you feel better about yourself.

love, kathy

- In , " brenda_franz "

<brenda_franz@y...> wrote:

>

> Shari I feel so badly about all that you have been through, I do

not

> want to be cold or seem mean, I just cannot help it, I really want

to

> get my implants, and this is the only way I see that I can do it.

By

> getting in this study. I really think it is my only choice.I am

sure

> that as we get older we all look back and feel that we looked so

good

> what were we thinking, sure I understand that. I have funny

looking

> boobs though, they are not perky and they are not round, they are

> kind of tuberous and there is no way that anything else can be

done

> for them. It is really hurting my sexuality and my life in regards

to

> men. I feel so alone and like I will never be able to undress in

> front of a man. I am not sure how I can ever get beyond this other

> than to get these implants. From all I have learned here and on

other

> sites, the cohesives really do seem to have the best chance for

not

> having problems, other than the usual CC and infection rates etc.

> Anyhow Shari I am so sorry for all that you went through, i want

you

> to understand it is nothing personal and not that I don't believe

you

> guys, it is just something I really have to do for myself.

> I wish I could somehow feel better about my breasts but i don't

see

> it happening. I have to do this. I have a good feeling about it

> working out for me.

> i really think the study has allot of advantages.

> thanks

> take care

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , halvey70@a... wrote:

> >

> >

> > You sound so much like me w/ the whole " boob " self confidence

> thing. Heck I

> > was 24, 105 lbs and had a nice petite figure but was a 34 AA -

not

> even an A!!

> > Man that ticked me off and how totally ugly I thought my boobs

> were then.

> > Of course now I am almost 34 and you know what they say about

> hindsight... I

> > am not bashing you or trying to change your mind but their was

one

> thing about

> > your post that made me want to respond. Back when I thought

> my " boy boobs " ,

> > as I liked to call them, were so ugly there wasn't near the

> research and

> > support that you can find now and I commend you for doing as

much

> as you are so you

> > can make the best decision for yourself. Back then - you pretty

> much went by

> > what the doctors said and trusted them. I didn't have a PC that

> long ago and

> > all the stuff on the newer implants had not started hitting the

fan

> yet. One

> > thing that caught my eye and keeps making me think about you is

> the " ugly

> > boob " comment you made. I felt the same way and never once

thought

> of how mine

> > would look if I had problems or needed them repeatedly operated

on

> or needed

> > them removed. My PS actually talked me into the armpit incision

as

> they would

> > leave no scars of my breasts and they would look so perfect

nobody

> could tell!!

> > I was so excited.

> > I will be 34 on the 19th of November and have only given birth

to

> one child.

> > I had 4 breast operations - the initial implantation and three

due

> to

> > complications, the last being complete removal of both that were

> leaking. That is 4

> > sets of scars... first the armpit incision (it was popular back

> then - they

> > are visible when I wear tank tops and are about 21/2-3 inches),

> then under the

> > nipple to replace a rupture (half way around the bottom), then

> under the

> > nipple again to remove and replace both implants due to severe

> capsular contractre

> > then replace then - same scar but slightly larger, then of

course

> removal

> > which was at the under the breast crease (I would say 4-5

> inches). I did NOT

> > have a lift at removal as my doctor said I didn't need it as my

> implants were

> > only 250cc's and under the muscle). I don't have any stretch

marks

> of any

> > significance in my breasts after my pregnancy and consequent 9

> months of breast

> > feeding but boy oh boy do I have some ugly scars. If I had

needed

> a lift they

> > would be much worse. Talk about ugly boobs. I cry every night

> wishing I had

> > what I used to think was ugly before - I actually keep pictures

I

> took the day

> > before my surgery in my end table at my bed. I don't want to

scare

> you it is

> > something that I never, ever thought of prior to my initial

> operation and I

> > thought I would bring it up. I am sure you have heard it all by

> now and I am

> > hoping that you are one of the lucky ones that don't have to

live

> the nightmare

> > and have a good experience.

> >

> > I wish you well and hope if you ever need any help, God forbid,

or

> have any

> > questions, you will come back to us!!

> >

> > shari