Patty//Re: Made a choice

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Kathy and Patty, immune illnesses are hard to reverse and rarely so. I know why you post it too, to show it is very dangerous, and it is not something that will "Just go away"

I had to add, Mine did though! With God healing me and praying everyday, I rid my body of Rheuamotid arthrits after explant and with the help of antibiotic therapy(and a strict no sugar/carb diet) to rid of the rest of all the fugus and mycolplasma. I knew infections triggered it. And got tested for all infections. I often wonder if other's simply do not know of all this knowledge or can believe in it, and then never do all this- thus we hardly ever see that a immune reaction can be halted. If you can play the hard game of hide and seek-and find what is triggering it, I think you have a chance.Esp the earlier the disease. Like for me, infections first, then I addresses toxins, then I adressed my horomones and now am gluten free.(food allergies) I think I have permanent thyroid damage, but firmly believe that my thyroid condition, auto immune illness- will go away. It happens in 15 % cases. And then, I can someday stop meds. Mercola has seen it many times with this and other diseases (although MS is the rarest to ever go into permanent remission) . He was a great helper in all the tests to figure out what I had to address. Step by Step. A personal program. Hense-Wellness Center.

You dont need your full thyroid for it to make enough thyorid hormones, studies show you realy only need about half of it to create enough. So perhaps if the immunity stops reacting, as it has with the ANA and the RA, and with my thyroid antibodies, according to blood and how I feel, I will recover from this and am on my way. Why not? I have recovered from these things already when docs told me I wouldnt! I feel that, with God on my side and this one thing I will take to my grave- I will learn from this and will be healthier in the end from all of this. I will be the winner. I swore I would and will be. You believe it too. Full faith. Anything is possilble if you believe in God, in yourself and and I tell myself that every morning. That I am getting well! I am !

>From: Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Patty//Re: Made a choice >Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 16:32:34 -0800 (PST) > >Kathy, >You've hit the nail on the head with this illness...and the fact that autoimmune diseases are incurable. > >Sometimes I wonder if, in our efforts to encourage those who are healing and trying to give women a glimmer of hope that we can get our life back, we are making it sound like recovery is right around the corner and that we can put everything behind us for good once we "get better", if only we can just get to that point with a bit of detox work and the passage of time. > >While I totally believe that we can "get better", the truth is that I don't know if it will ever be 100%. I really believe that some kind of permanent damage has been done to me. I do feel great and often feel like I have my life back, but it has not been 100%, and I am not sure it ever will be, except for a miracle from God. Nevertheless, I am incredibly grateful for the progress that I have made! But we can't let our progress lull others into thinking that if they get sick from implants, they can just get them out and get better. It is much, much more complicated than that. > >I cannot understand why this point is totally glossed over by those surgeons that are implanting women eagerly. Truly, these diseases have far reaching consequences that should NEVER be taken lightly. >Thanks for your words of wisdom to those who need to hear them! >Patty > >mikat828 <mikat828@...> wrote: > > > >You have made your choice after much thought and I applaud that. I >also wish you the best of luck. There are risks in life and each >one of us most determine which we ones we are willing to take on a >daily basis. We only have concern for you because we lost. Does >that mean you will? No. As long as you have your eyes wide open, >you are an adult and have the right to make your own decisions. It >sure would be nice if we had a crystal ball wouldn't it? >One caution: Just because the doctors are following you doesn't >mean they can be of help in anyway if you should have an immune >problem. They are following you for their benefit--not yours. And >if your counting on Dr. Vasey or others like him to help you if you >get sick, think again. There seems to be a huge misconception that >doctors can fix health problems. They can't. They prescribe >medications that may or may not make some of your symptoms more >bearable while causing new ones of their own. Please just >understand that chronic illness is just that---chronic, not >curable. You do not get cured from immune illness. It would be >very rare to see someone completely recover from immune illness--I >would certainly put it in the miracle category. If you change your >lifestyle completely, put your entire focus and finances behind >getting better, you may improve but you will NEVER be like you were >before having a immune disease. All of these diseases wax and wane, >but I have been researching constantly for at least 3 years, and I >haven't seen many cases where someone was "cured". >I just want you to be under no illusions that there are cures out >there should the implants make you sick. No guarantees that way >either. Good luck and I hope this didn't sound preachy--only >informative. >Kathy >__________________________________________________ >

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I agree with you KAthy, some will get better at a slower pace, or small amount of women,very little. Please dont ever take it, like I am saying I am trying harder and that's why I am better! Or I have more faith. I would never imply that.We all try our hardest, we all have differnt immunities and ages,and we all ahve differences in how our implants harmed us. I was just stating that sometimes, you can turn an auto immune illness around. If I would have been told I couldnt, I would have never tried all these things, and who knows, maybe not got them out in the 1st palce. But knowing there is a possiblitiy, that if I got them removed ,I could get better, or at least, not get more ill- I will always try! I lov ya girl and am so proud of how you have improved!Esp the depression! Love ,

>From: "mikat828" <mikat828@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Patty//Re: Made a choice >Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:16:58 -0000 > > > >- > > >Yours is a story that everyone needs to hear to give them hope and I >am glad that you share it and also all the things you have learned. >You have added so much to this group. Unfortunately we are not all >alike and some people have done the very same things as you and have >not had the same results. I wouldn't want them to think they must >not have enough faith or be trying hard enough. I, too will never >give up and trust God to heal me. I had my implants out 3 years ago >and have fms/mctd. I have been on antibiotic therapy for 3 years >and have tried so many things. I own a farinfrared sauna. I have >spent over $10,000. But unlike you, my progress is slower. Many >things could account for that. I also suffer intensely and >repeatedly as I try to kill off pathogens and boost my immune >system. there are so many things I have had to discontinue at least >temporarily. I always think I can make it through the terrible >herx, but it never seems to end. But I am much better than I was, >and I will continue to persevere at getting where I want to be. I >have been gluten free for about 5 weeks and I have noticed a little >difference..but not very much. I often get disappointed that I >haven't found that magic bullet yet, but I am way thankful for the >progress I have made! >I think we should be constantly encouraging each other to perservere >and to keep on trying ways to increase their health. At the same >time, we must acknowledge that it is so variable for each of us as >to how long that might take, how much pain and discomfort that might >entail, and ultimately how much improvement we might attain. I am >firmly convinced that we will all experience improvement after >explant, and by detoxing our bodies and living more healthily, but I >still think it is fairly rare that any of us will be as well as we >were before implants. >God bless, >kathy > > > > >-- In , "JOSEPH PALANCA" ><juliejp61@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > >