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Kathy, you said that so well....... Jeaninemikat828 <mikat828@...> wrote:

I just wanted to comment on your statement that women who don't get better after explanting may have to accept the fact that they wouldve gotten sick anyway. I don't agree at all. Just because you dont' get well when you get the implants out doesn't mean the implants didn't cause the illness. That is illogical. That is like saying that someone who is exposed to a carcinogen who gets cancer and then doesn't get well after treatment, must not have gotten the cancer from the carcinogenic exposure. Getting better after explant is obviously an excellent indication that the implants were causing sickness. But it doesn't then follow that not getting well after explant means that the implants had nothing to do with the illness. It just means that the person is not able to recover from the

damage done. Each persons body is so complex and unique. The same exposure --i.e. implants--will cause a variety of symptoms and diagnosable or nondiagnoseable conditions. For example, implants are associated with lupus, sclerodema, RA, fms, MS, and others. My body may develop one disease from the implants, your body another. The thing all of these diseases have in common is that they are AUTOIMMUNE diseases---the body is attacking itself. But once an autoimmune disease is initiated it can be very difficult to stop. For instance, systemic scleroderma is a particularly nasty and formidable disease. It is much harder to stop the course of that illness than perhaps another. Plus it is often fatal which, say for example, fms is not. Plus how long you have been sick, how much further damage has been done to the body as complications from the original damage, a person's

genetic weaknesses, and other factors may all play a part in determining who gets well and who doesn't. Again, I go to the cancer example. I may have gotten cancer from a known toxin, but my body may be strong and with the proper treatment, I may be able to overcome it. Someone else may get cancer from the same exposure, but their body may not be as strong, and they may not get well. Does that mean then that the exposure caused my cancer, but not the other person's? ABsolutely not. In fact, I would think that all this points out is that there is no way we can actually determine the risk of implants to ourselves. Someone else may not be getting sick because they have a good genetic background and we don't. You are playing roulette. That is exactly why some people don't get ill. The silicone has the potential to provoke the immune system in everyone, but not all will

have an immune system that will falter. Can you tell how your body will react? I don't think so. That is where the risk comes in. All we have been saying is this:1. Implants can and do make some women sick. 2. We can't predict which women will get sick and which won't.3. If you get sick, you may get very very sick.4. We don't think that what you stand to gain, is worth what you stand to lose with implants.5. Every member on this site, has lost that gamble.6. just because you get explanted, doesn't mean you will get well.7. Most women will get better, few will get completely well. Some will not experience any improvement. Kind of like that old bell curve for statistics.No, not everyone gets sick. But no one at this stage of the game can identify the true numbers, yet there are a significant amount of complaints currently logged

against implants. How many more women are not sick YET or more likely, think that whatever is wrong with them has nothing to do with their implants? How many women are not severely ill, but whose quality of life is not what it would have been. There is no way to know most of this. From my perspective, had I found a site like this prior to implanting, I would have never gotten them. Now I find that I am very committed to making sure other women know what CAN happen and how much they stand to lose because of it.Hugs, kathygroups.com, DelGato <stacydel34@y...> wrote:> I belong to a site other than this one, actually 2 and both of them are very honest in their views about implants. They state that they have been harmed by implants but that they dont believe everyone will get ill and that in the end it is the woman's decision to implant again if they so choose

after educating themselves. I agree with that and think it is a wise stance because frankly not many women are going to believe everyone gets sick from implants, Particularly when we all know women that have them and are fine. So I think the sites like explantation.com and the other one implant facts , are being cautious so they don't scare women away with the all or nothing attitude. I am not sure about taking such a hardline about implants if you want to reach all women and at least educate them/> Banning implants is impossible at this point, so educating women seems the best thing to do and that is why I am so happy I found a few sites that educated me to see what my opions were.> in her posts states basically the same thing, that since women will get them if they really want them they might as well go to Dr's like Kolb instead of PS's like mine in New Mexico who does not inform them of the risks to health.

HOwever small the risks are the need to be discussed.> Why do i get the feeling that groups that take this stance are not liked by this group? That makes me wonder and I have to say some of the attitudes over here do see a bit one sides.> I like to look at all the angles and then decide.> It is my opinin that implants are not going to kill or hurt everyone. I am sorry for the ladies that have been harmed but it seems clear to me that women are gettting well all over the net I read about them, so once the implants come out and time passes if your not getting well I think I would seriously have to look at the fact that maybe you were just one of the unlucky that may have got sick anyway.> I am sorry if that is upsetting, I will leave the group if that is what you feel would be best.> I don't want to offend or argue and that is what I feel is happening here. > On explantation and breast facts no

one argues with me they just say what makes the most sense to me, some get sick most don't and that if you get sick you can get 100% better and move on with your life.> > > >