Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Kathy, You've hit the nail on the head with this illness...and the fact that autoimmune diseases are incurable. Sometimes I wonder if, in our efforts to encourage those who are healing and trying to give women a glimmer of hope that we can get our life back, we are making it sound like recovery is right around the corner and that we can put everything behind us for good once we "get better", if only we can just get to that point with a bit of detox work and the passage of time. While I totally believe that we can "get better", the truth is that I don't know if it will ever be 100%. I really believe that some kind of permanent damage has been done to me. I do feel great and often feel like I have my life back, but it has not been 100%, and I am not sure it ever will be, except for a miracle from God. Nevertheless, I am incredibly grateful for the progress that I have made! But we can't let our progress lull others into thinking that if they get sick from implants, they can just get them out and get better. It is much, much more complicated than that. I cannot understand why this point is totally glossed over by those surgeons that are implanting women eagerly. Truly, these diseases have far reaching consequences that should NEVER be taken lightly. Thanks for your words of wisdom to those who need to hear them! Patty mikat828 <mikat828@...> wrote: You have made your choice after much thought and I applaud that. I also wish you the best of luck. There are risks in life and each one of us most determine which we ones we are willing to take on a daily basis. We only have concern for you because we lost. Does that mean you will? No. As long as you have your eyes wide open, you are an adult and have the right to make your own decisions. It sure would be nice if we had a crystal ball wouldn't it? One caution: Just because the doctors are following you doesn't mean they can be of help in anyway if you should have an immune problem. They are following you for their benefit--not yours. And if your counting on Dr. Vasey or others like him to help you if you get sick, think again. There seems to be a huge misconception that doctors can fix health problems. They can't. They prescribe medications that may or may not make some of your symptoms more bearable while causing new ones of their own. Please just understand that chronic illness is just that---chronic, not curable. You do not get cured from immune illness. It would be very rare to see someone completely recover from immune illness--I would certainly put it in the miracle category. If you change your lifestyle completely, put your entire focus and finances behind getting better, you may improve but you will NEVER be like you were before having a immune disease. All of these diseases wax and wane, but I have been researching constantly for at least 3 years, and I haven't seen many cases where someone was "cured". I just want you to be under no illusions that there are cures out there should the implants make you sick. No guarantees that way either. Good luck and I hope this didn't sound preachy--only informative. Kathy__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 - Yours is a story that everyone needs to hear to give them hope and I am glad that you share it and also all the things you have learned. You have added so much to this group. Unfortunately we are not all alike and some people have done the very same things as you and have not had the same results. I wouldn't want them to think they must not have enough faith or be trying hard enough. I, too will never give up and trust God to heal me. I had my implants out 3 years ago and have fms/mctd. I have been on antibiotic therapy for 3 years and have tried so many things. I own a farinfrared sauna. I have spent over $10,000. But unlike you, my progress is slower. Many things could account for that. I also suffer intensely and repeatedly as I try to kill off pathogens and boost my immune system. there are so many things I have had to discontinue at least temporarily. I always think I can make it through the terrible herx, but it never seems to end. But I am much better than I was, and I will continue to persevere at getting where I want to be. I have been gluten free for about 5 weeks and I have noticed a little difference..but not very much. I often get disappointed that I haven't found that magic bullet yet, but I am way thankful for the progress I have made! I think we should be constantly encouraging each other to perservere and to keep on trying ways to increase their health. At the same time, we must acknowledge that it is so variable for each of us as to how long that might take, how much pain and discomfort that might entail, and ultimately how much improvement we might attain. I am firmly convinced that we will all experience improvement after explant, and by detoxing our bodies and living more healthily, but I still think it is fairly rare that any of us will be as well as we were before implants. God bless, kathy -- In , " JOSEPH PALANCA " <juliejp61@m...> wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 From my observation . . . many women who were given a diagnosis of an autoimmune disease has had that diagnosis reversed after having the implants out and detoxing. . . My point is, that one should not accept an autoimmune diagnosis as the final word. Some doctors will give an autoimmune DX with a high ANA . . . When the implants are removed, the ANA may return to normal . . . And, regardless, even if one does have an autoimmune disease, they can feel much better if they make taking care of every aspect of their health a part of their lifestyle. Hugs, Rogene JOSEPH PALANCA <juliejp61@...> wrote: I agree with you KAthy, some will get better at a slower pace, or small amount of women,very little. Please dont ever take it, like I am saying I am trying harder and that's why I am better! Or I have more faith. I would never imply that.We all try our hardest, we all have differnt immunities and ages,and we all ahve differences in how our implants harmed us. I was just stating that sometimes, you can turn an auto immune illness around. If I would have been told I couldnt, I would have never tried all these things, and who knows, maybe not got them out in the 1st palce. But knowing there is a possiblitiy, that if I got them removed ,I could get better, or at least, not get more ill- I will always try! I lov ya girl and am so proud of how you have improved!Esp the depression! Love , >From: "mikat828" <mikat828@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Patty//Re: Made a choice >Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:16:58 -0000 > > > >- > > >Yours is a story that everyone needs to hear to give them hope and I >am glad that you share it and also all the things you have learned. >You have added so much to this group. Unfortunately we are not all >alike and some people have done the very same things as you and have >not had the same results. I wouldn't want them to think they must >not have enough faith or be trying hard enough. I, too will never >give up and trust God to heal me. I had my implants out 3 years ago >and have fms/mctd. I have been on antibiotic therapy for 3 years >and have tried so many things. I own a farinfrared sauna. I have >spent over $10,000. But unlike you, my progress is slower. Many >things could account for that. I also suffer intensely and >repeatedly as I try to kill off pathogens and boost my immune >system. there are so many things I have had to discontinue at least >temporarily. I always think I can make it through the terrible >herx, but it never seems to end. But I am much better than I was, >and I will continue to persevere at getting where I want to be. I >have been gluten free for about 5 weeks and I have noticed a little >difference..but not very much. I often get disappointed that I >haven't found that magic bullet yet, but I am way thankful for the >progress I have made! >I think we should be constantly encouraging each other to perservere >and to keep on trying ways to increase their health. At the same >time, we must acknowledge that it is so variable for each of us as >to how long that might take, how much pain and discomfort that might >entail, and ultimately how much improvement we might attain. I am >firmly convinced that we will all experience improvement after >explant, and by detoxing our bodies and living more healthily, but I >still think it is fairly rare that any of us will be as well as we >were before implants. >God bless, >kathy > > > > >-- In , "JOSEPH PALANCA" ><juliejp61@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 I think you can alleviate the symptoms. I am not sure you can get rid of the underlying problem. Some of us did not have full blown autoimmune disease, but were on our way. Some had it and have had some relief. But if you once have full blown autoimmune disease, I doubt if you can truly say you are free of the disease, whichever one it is. I know that my symptoms can come back if I am not careful with my diet, stress, etc. Lynda At 07:24 PM 11/3/2004, you wrote: > From my observation . . . many women who were given a diagnosis of an > autoimmune disease has had that diagnosis reversed after having the > implants out and detoxing. . . > >My point is, that one should not accept an autoimmune diagnosis as the >final word. Some doctors will give an autoimmune DX with a high ANA . . . >When the implants are removed, the ANA may return to normal . . . > >And, regardless, even if one does have an autoimmune disease, they can >feel much better if they make taking care of every aspect of their health >a part of their lifestyle. > >Hugs, > >Rogene > > >JOSEPH PALANCA <juliejp61@...> wrote: > >I agree with you KAthy, some will get better at a slower pace, or small >amount of women,very little. Please dont ever take it, like I am saying I >am trying harder and that's why I am better! Or I have more faith. I would >never imply that.We all try our hardest, we all have differnt immunities >and ages,and we all ahve differences in how our implants harmed us. I was >just stating that sometimes, you can turn an auto immune illness around. >If I would have been told I couldnt, I would have never tried all these >things, and who knows, maybe not got them out in the 1st palce. But >knowing there is a possiblitiy, that if I got them removed ,I could get >better, or at least, not get more ill- I will always try! I lov ya girl >and am so proud of how you have improved!Esp the depression! Love , > > > > > >From: " mikat828 " <mikat828@...> >Reply-To: > >To: > >Subject: Patty//Re: > Made a choice >Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:16:58 > -0000 > > > >- > > >Yours is a story that everyone needs to hear to > give them hope and I >am glad that you share it and also all the things > you have learned. >You have added so much to this group. Unfortunately we > are not all >alike and some people have done the very same things as you > and have >not had the same results. I wouldn't want them to think they > must >not have enough faith or be trying hard enough. I, too will > never >give up and trust God to heal me. I had my implants out 3 years > ago >and have fms/mctd. I have been on antibiotic therapy for 3 > years >and have tried so many things. I own a farinfrared sauna. I > have >spent over $10,000. But unlike you, my progress is slower. > Many >things could account for that. I also suffer intensely > and >repeatedly as I try to kill off pathogens and boost my > immune >system. there are so many things I have had to discontinue at > least >temporarily. I always think I can make it through the > terrible >herx, but it never seems to end. But I am much better than I > was, >and I will continue to persevere at getting where I want to be. > I >have been gluten free for about 5 weeks and I have noticed a > little >difference..but not very much. I often get disappointed that > I >haven't found that magic bullet yet, but I am way thankful for > the >progress I have made! >I think we should be constantly encouraging > each other to perservere >and to keep on trying ways to increase their > health. At the same >time, we must acknowledge that it is so variable for > each of us as >to how long that might take, how much pain and discomfort > that might >entail, and ultimately how much improvement we might attain. > I am >firmly convinced that we will all experience improvement > after >explant, and by detoxing our bodies and living more healthily, but > I >still think it is fairly rare that any of us will be as well as > we >were before implants. >God bless, >kathy > > > > >-- In > , " JOSEPH PALANCA " ><juliejp61@m...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Totally rogene, some studies are showing that. That is what made me optimisitic. That women were getting better and reversing auto immune illnesses. My RA factors went away- have not returned 2 years now post explant and the symptoms that came with them are gone as well.As well as a positive ANA. Also, my thyroid antibodies have come to a slow halt. I will have them retested in November, Here's an example, of how a triiger can start an immune process, but also can reverse it, when found and eliminated. Celiac disease or gluten intolerance is being shown in many highly publicized studies to create Diabetes and thyroid disease, but once the gluten is completely removed from the diet, most cases have an easier condition to handle, people going off meds, or diseases reversing completely are common place. The doc at the university of Chicago, told me that I have high hopes of my thyroid condition going into remission at may age, as the gluten is the main trigger. The protein resembles human tissue, that are found in gluten, causing some genetically prone people to react and attack when ill. Sometimes, if you remove the trigger, the disease goes away. they see this all the time! That’s why Italy screens for it, as the government pays fro insurance and they know by getting this disease diagnosed, it will stop the triggering or costs of other auto immune illnesses, saving them $$! All by a change in diet! it is so cheap! You have a these hopes, that this can happen with the removal from implants. We at least, have that hope! Love Patty//Re: > Made a choice >Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:16:58 > -0000 > > > >- > > >Yours is a story that everyone needs to hear to > give them hope and I >am glad that you share it and also all the things > you have learned. >You have added so much to this group. Unfortunately we > are not all >alike and some people have done the very same things as you > and have >not had the same results. I wouldn't want them to think they > must >not have enough faith or be trying hard enough. I, too will > never >give up and trust God to heal me. I had my implants out 3 years > ago >and have fms/mctd. I have been on antibiotic therapy for 3 > years >and have tried so many things. I own a farinfrared sauna. I > have >spent over $10,000. But unlike you, my progress is slower. > Many >things could account for that. I also suffer intensely > and >repeatedly as I try to kill off pathogens and boost my > immune >system. there are so many things I have had to discontinue at > least >temporarily. I always think I can make it through the > terrible >herx, but it never seems to end. But I am much better than I > was, >and I will continue to persevere at getting where I want to be. > I >have been gluten free for about 5 weeks and I have noticed a > little >difference..but not very much. I often get disappointed that > I >haven't found that magic bullet yet, but I am way thankful for > the >progress I have made! >I think we should be constantly encouraging > each other to perservere >and to keep on trying ways to increase their > health. At the same >time, we must acknowledge that it is so variable for > each of us as >to how long that might take, how much pain and discomfort > that might >entail, and ultimately how much improvement we might attain. > I am >firmly convinced that we will all experience improvement > after >explant, and by detoxing our bodies and living more healthily, but > I >still think it is fairly rare that any of us will be as well as > we >were before implants. >God bless, >kathy > > > > >-- In > , "JOSEPH PALANCA" ><juliejp61@m...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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