We lost a member

[Guest guest]

I'm VIVI , new so didn't know . Jus twant to let you know that I do

feel extremelly bad for her departure, because I feel the pain she was in & I

mean phisically & mentally just does seem to come to the point that it just

more than we can bear & we can only take so much. I'm ssure that she made it

farther than she even wanted just by having the loving support of her group

because when it comes to this never ending pain that goes on & on every body

that

sorrounds us gets eventually tired & dicensitied. Sorry about the loss of

your dear friend. The only comfort is that she finally now can rest in peace. I

hope somehow is not in vain.

**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch " Cooking with

Tyler Florence " on AOL Food.

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[Guest guest]

I am posting as . I am not reminding others of this tragety

because I wish to bring sorrow but to help remind the good members of

this SUPPORT GROUP how wonderful and important it is as a family and

as such is to be protected as a whole.

Just three weeks ago a very dear member of ours comitted suicide. Her

husband posted. He shared that her final note expressed she could no

longer live with the pain and suffering of this disease 24/7. She was

my friend and a family member both on and off this group forum for

many years. We often do that you know. Take topics, personal

feelings, agendas, etc. OFF LINE and private so as not to burden the

group as a whole when it is not appropriate.

Somehow, her memory, I feel has been lost even just weeks after her

death. She faught damn it! NOT this country, NOT the system but for

HER LIFE!!!!!!!!! as we all do on a daily basis and at times the only

thing we can handle, but she couldn't fight any longer and I will not

see it here in this family either.

as a family member

[Guest guest]

I to am still sad from this as I to almost did the same and with out this group

do not know what I would have done! This was before I was in a so called

remission. With out the support of my family here I would not have made it to

today. Every time we have lost some one it has hit me hard and I know it will

for some time yet. Each of them gave to us all! She fought and she fought hard

as the others did also. They fought for us and with us even when they could not

do much for them self’s. Because of them I feel lucky to have known each and

every one of them. . this is why I feel as I do it is not for political country

or self it is for the honor of us all together with understanding hope

friendship and compassion for the many very deferent lives we lead and the hope

of a better tomorrow that we can give to each other when we are down needing

hope and a light to at lest look for at the end of the tunnel of stills!

 

the  rednecks

Marty & G. 

 

“Some men rob you with a six-gun - others with a fountain pen.”

7 days with out Jesus makes one weak

Before giving someone a piece of mind be sure you have enough to spare!

Buy a gun support the constitution and  Piss off the liberals

Gun control is a steady hand.

Fight Socialism...Vote Republican

we outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.

   

Stills ; An illness I know to well!

To learn about Stills  http://www.stillsdisease.org/stills_info

 

We lost a member

I am posting as . I am not reminding others of this tragety

because I wish to bring sorrow but to help remind the good members of

this SUPPORT GROUP how wonderful and important it is as a family and

as such is to be protected as a whole.

Just three weeks ago a very dear member of ours comitted suicide. Her

husband posted. He shared that her final note expressed she could no

longer live with the pain and suffering of this disease 24/7. She was

my friend and a family member both on and off this group forum for

many years. We often do that you know. Take topics, personal

feelings, agendas, etc. OFF LINE and private so as not to burden the

group as a whole when it is not appropriate.

Somehow, her memory, I feel has been lost even just weeks after her

death. She faught damn it! NOT this country, NOT the system but for

HER LIFE!!!!!!!! ! as we all do on a daily basis and at times the only

thing we can handle, but she couldn't fight any longer and I will not

see it here in this family either.

as a family member

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry but I must have missed the emails about this, we lost ? When

did this happen? I'm so sorry...

Kate

2008/6/2 :

> I'm VIVI , new so didn't know . Jus twant to let you know that I do

>

> feel extremelly bad for her departure, because I feel the pain she was in &

> I

> mean phisically & mentally just does seem to come to the point that it just

>

> more than we can bear & we can only take so much. I'm ssure that she made

> it

> farther than she even wanted just by having the loving support of her group

>

> because when it comes to this never ending pain that goes on & on every

> body that

> sorrounds us gets eventually tired & dicensitied. Sorry about the loss of

> your dear friend. The only comfort is that she finally now can rest in

> peace. I

> hope somehow is not in vain.

>

> **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch " Cooking with

> Tyler Florence " on AOL Food.

> (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4 & ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

>

>

[Guest guest]

You are so right. The important things in life are not getting discussed on

this board. The frustration of living with stills, how hard it is to be so

isolated, how difficult it is to be living in a body that limits what you

can do on a daily basis. Just because there are so many new members that

didn't know this person well, me included. We are so wrong to go marching

on talking about other topics.

I applaud you for posting this for and reminding the group of those

things in life that are important topics. Suicide and fighting this disease

or any disease is a serious topic an we need to be helping those that are

struggling. We all say we are fine, but in fact are we? Just a thought to

post.

I myself, have really struggled all week with many things and have not

posted because of some of the ridiculous postings that were going on and the

one time I did post, I didn't go into any depth as I would have in the past.

This has woken me up to the reality of what I am feeling and fighting and

that sometimes it only takes a few topics that get a lot of attention to

chase off those people that may really post something of significance when

they really could use support, as I would have done this week.

I lie in bed and cry for the loss of a loved one with stills I do not know

well,

Yet I feel that I know her in the depths of my soul,

She has battled the same battles and I have fallen were she has fell

We never met, yet we had the same goal.

To beat this mysterious disease,

To not the dragon get us down,

To win each battle thrown at us,

To go on with grace without a frown,

My heart reaches out to the family of this member I personally did not know,

Could I have helped her if I had been more honest about my own battles?

Would she be here today if she knew she wasn't alone?

I feel I will never know.

To the memory of the member I didn't know because I wasn't really as honest

as I should have been with my own battles and struggles. I wanted to be

strong, didn't want 100's of people that I don't know well to think that I'm

not strong. I saw so many post that were just, not what I would expect on a

support page, so I thought maybe I was crazy for even thinking that I should

post what I've been thinking. Instead we spend hours reading about Americas

health care, what government has the best health care, We read about the

loss of the dollar oversees, etc, and I think, I can't post what I really

what to post. I wonder, did this member feel the same way?

I sure hope not. SO I am going to be the first to post exactly what I am

feeling in my next post, true raw emotions... I hope it doesn't offend those

that would rather spend time on topics that are just on the surface and don

t matter.

I hope that this can be a memorial to the member that we lost. A wake up

call for what this board is suppose to be for. It was for me at least.

Hugs and Love to all that are struggling, battling, never in remission and

constantly wondering what am I suppose to do. I pray for the family that

lost a dear daughter, sister, friend, niece, etc, because of this disease

and I wish I could have helped more.

-- We lost a member

I am posting as . I am not reminding others of this tragety

because I wish to bring sorrow but to help remind the good members of

this SUPPORT GROUP how wonderful and important it is as a family and

as such is to be protected as a whole.

Just three weeks ago a very dear member of ours comitted suicide. Her

husband posted. He shared that her final note expressed she could no

longer live with the pain and suffering of this disease 24/7. She was

my friend and a family member both on and off this group forum for

many years. We often do that you know. Take topics, personal

feelings, agendas, etc. OFF LINE and private so as not to burden the

group as a whole when it is not appropriate.

Somehow, her memory, I feel has been lost even just weeks after her

death. She faught damn it! NOT this country, NOT the system but for

HER LIFE!!!!!!!!! as we all do on a daily basis and at times the only

thing we can handle, but she couldn't fight any longer and I will not

see it here in this family either.

as a family member

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/2/2008 4:00:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

allison@... writes:

I'm putting out a question to everyone on this Support page, Can you trust

everyone enough on this page to be honest enough with your heart to tell it

like it is for you or are you going to be light-hearted and stay at the

topics of daily nature - I'm curious.

Marty - I can't thank you enough for sharing what you have been through in

your life. I really appreciate - thanks red neck man, from new red neck

woman .

Incredibly well said - I am definitely with you!

Carole from Hollywood FL

**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch " Cooking with

Tyler Florence " on AOL Food.

(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4? & NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/2/2008 4:00:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

allison@... writes:

I'm putting out a question to everyone on this Support page, Can you trust

everyone enough on this page to be honest enough with your heart to tell it

like it is for you or are you going to be light-hearted and stay at the

topics of daily nature - I'm curious.

Marty - I can't thank you enough for sharing what you have been through in

your life. I really appreciate - thanks red neck man, from new red neck

woman .

Incredibly well said - I am definitely with you!

Carole from Hollywood FL

**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch " Cooking with

Tyler Florence " on AOL Food.

(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4? & NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

[Guest guest]

:

I was doing the same thing but only just not posting as I was having a hard time

biting my tongue. I in the past have posted about my own struggles and fights

with this from my attempted suicide to my divorce and how my stills played into

both . how I try to live with stills and on SSDI. how I found light from others

and so many have told me how I gave some of that light to them . this is a

reason I also write with emotions and let the scholarly things alone to them

better to handle them . I believe a support group is that a support .I  know

some time back I was lets say talked to in a way that hurt me personally but was

needed by some members here . it was there straight forward talk and no bull

approach that helped me stop and think . yes I was posting all my anger of my

divorce and such at the time this is also when I did try to end my life . now I

know I am here I know what it feels like to believe no one cares around me I

know what it feels like

to not want to live. I also know it is you folks my stills family that saved me

then with straight talk and nothing other it was at time slapping me in the face

even when my own personal family was not even understating what I was dealing

with and how deep. see I believe if you go threw some thing you learn from it

and share it slap in the face not soap box preach but hit with composition care

and understanding saying your lot alone I have been there I may not know how you

feel but i have a good Idea as I wanted the same end results . it is also not

being afraid to say if you did some thing dumb or crazy like me trying to kill

my self but to be-able to learn from it share that knowledge and use iit to the

good .In my case I know I have helped a friend . she sent me an e mail and

reading it i know how she felt and had a dam good idea what she was going to do.

I made some calls talked to her kids ( they had no idea and fought me on it at

first ) in the

end we found her in time .I do not know how we did but we did .in the end she

is still here and has moved forward in her life with great drive and happiness

now . all of this was after a friend stepped in and would not take no for an

answer and would not let up tell she got some help that she needed . again it

was over a divorce so that's why my understating . I felt so sad that day and I

will not forget it . she also tells others about it as I made her promise me

that she would do the same as I did  not take no for an answer eve if she felt

someone needed a slap of reality with a hug of compassion and understanding . It

is so sad to me what people we have believed in and loved can do to us things we

could not do to them. how some can not understand those feelings unless they

have been there. this is why  I have a good understanding of what abused woman

go threw. my only regret is the same help out there for them if they reach out

is not there for

men in the same boot .

thanks for your heart felt and honest post

 

the  rednecks

Marty & G.

 Stills ; An illness I know to well!

To learn about Stills  http://www.stillsdisease.org/stills_info

  and Hancock:

We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]

:

" The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the

general principals of Christianity... I will avow that I believed and now

believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and

immutable as the existence and attributes of God. "

• " [July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts

of devotion to God Almighty. "

– in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was

approved by Congress

Jefferson

God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be

thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the

minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not

to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I

reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever. " (excerpts

are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital)

 

Re: We lost a member

I applaud you for posting this for and reminding the group of those

things in life that are important topics. Suicide and fighting this disease

or any disease is a serious topic an we need to be helping those that are

struggling. We all say we are fine, but in fact are we? Just a thought to

post.

I myself, have really struggled all week with many things and have not

posted because of some of the ridiculous postings that were going on

..

[Guest guest]

Marty,

All of us, even me, sometimes need a kick in the butt to wake up and smell

the roses. See the good in life, etc. That's what helps us get through the

rough times, to heal, to really become a family, etc. So, when I found

myself holding back, I was holding back, not just from the support of the

group, but from the get up and go kick in the butt and that is ok. What's

not OK is why I was holding back. I was holding back because it seemed like

more of the members were focused on issues that were less important than the

true daily lessons of life. When it comes down to it, a stills group isn't

going to solve the gross national dept, or ssdi problems, nor will it solve

why one person moved from the country and then decided that since the dollar

isn't strong enough the whole country is going down. Maybe it is, maybe it

isn't, but I frankly am not worried about that right now. I have bigger

problems and they are within my own home. They are called, how do I live

with this disease for the rest of my life. I'm young. I'm only 43. I was

only 36 when all this started. I still have more than half my life to life

and this sure isn't how I expected to live it. Just like I expect you didn

t expect to live your life the way you are. So I find myself wondering, is

this the support group that I need. If it is going to be focusing on

politics and the value of a dollar, I don't want to be sifting through 100's

of emails to find the few that really support the few.

I want to get to know people, really know people. Before I moved, I

belonged to a support group, we became such close friends that to this day I

consider them my family. There are some on this board that have become

family to me. You for one. Others have not. I find that interesting.

What is it that causes email to keep people at a distance. Afraid to share

who they really are?

I am not going to do that any more. I am a 43 year old woman how is happily

married and moved to be close to family for help. I've lost my best friend

in regards to distance but we still talk every day. She too is chronically

ill. We are like sisters. We laugh, we cry, we give virtual hugs. That's

what I hope to grow from being so virtually honest here. I am strong, how

could I not have been and been a vice president of a company, but I am week

at times too, grieving for what I have lost. I can't work when I have a

fever every day. It's impossible, How do you work when you have a 103

fever every afternoon? How do you deal with the fact that your back is

beginning to have problems at 43? What do you do when you know that the

drugs you are on aren't really working? This is all scary to me, I trust in

God, but I'd be lying big time if I said I was unsure of the future.

I'm putting out a question to everyone on this Support page, Can you trust

everyone enough on this page to be honest enough with your heart to tell it

like it is for you or are you going to be light-hearted and stay at the

topics of daily nature - I'm curious.

Marty - I can't thank you enough for sharing what you have been through in

your life. I really appreciate - thanks red neck man, from new red neck

woman .

[Guest guest]

Marty,

All of us, even me, sometimes need a kick in the butt to wake up and smell

the roses. See the good in life, etc. That's what helps us get through the

rough times, to heal, to really become a family, etc. So, when I found

myself holding back, I was holding back, not just from the support of the

group, but from the get up and go kick in the butt and that is ok. What's

not OK is why I was holding back. I was holding back because it seemed like

more of the members were focused on issues that were less important than the

true daily lessons of life. When it comes down to it, a stills group isn't

going to solve the gross national dept, or ssdi problems, nor will it solve

why one person moved from the country and then decided that since the dollar

isn't strong enough the whole country is going down. Maybe it is, maybe it

isn't, but I frankly am not worried about that right now. I have bigger

problems and they are within my own home. They are called, how do I live

with this disease for the rest of my life. I'm young. I'm only 43. I was

only 36 when all this started. I still have more than half my life to life

and this sure isn't how I expected to live it. Just like I expect you didn

t expect to live your life the way you are. So I find myself wondering, is

this the support group that I need. If it is going to be focusing on

politics and the value of a dollar, I don't want to be sifting through 100's

of emails to find the few that really support the few.

I want to get to know people, really know people. Before I moved, I

belonged to a support group, we became such close friends that to this day I

consider them my family. There are some on this board that have become

family to me. You for one. Others have not. I find that interesting.

What is it that causes email to keep people at a distance. Afraid to share

who they really are?

I am not going to do that any more. I am a 43 year old woman how is happily

married and moved to be close to family for help. I've lost my best friend

in regards to distance but we still talk every day. She too is chronically

ill. We are like sisters. We laugh, we cry, we give virtual hugs. That's

what I hope to grow from being so virtually honest here. I am strong, how

could I not have been and been a vice president of a company, but I am week

at times too, grieving for what I have lost. I can't work when I have a

fever every day. It's impossible, How do you work when you have a 103

fever every afternoon? How do you deal with the fact that your back is

beginning to have problems at 43? What do you do when you know that the

drugs you are on aren't really working? This is all scary to me, I trust in

God, but I'd be lying big time if I said I was unsure of the future.

I'm putting out a question to everyone on this Support page, Can you trust

everyone enough on this page to be honest enough with your heart to tell it

like it is for you or are you going to be light-hearted and stay at the

topics of daily nature - I'm curious.

Marty - I can't thank you enough for sharing what you have been through in

your life. I really appreciate - thanks red neck man, from new red neck

woman .

[Guest guest]

I will speak for my self

easy o hell no!!!! fact I get sad remembering some things and I cry yes an

emotional man that I am and after stills and the divorce that has gotten worse.

It is embarrassing to share some of the things I do but i also am a very strong

believer in if I do not share then all things of it are wasted and the bad stays

just that bad. now sharing it and if even one person can be helped no matter who

much or little then some thing good came out of it all now so far I still have a

lot of hate anger and depression over both things stills and the Big D and I do

not mean Dallas! I fight this almost every day and with My son here and what

stills happens with his mom to him it has in fact been growing. I also am mad as

hell I can not work and that a woman has to support me almost fully after all I

am a man and a man works and supports his family but hell I can not even do that

for my self let alone any one other . so is it easy NO! but it is also some

thing that

needs to be at times and so I do and besides that I can talk all I want and I

can not see if your not listening to me so the voices in my head ( all 5 of them

) tell me that your listening so go one  ;-)

 

the  rednecks

Marty & G.

 Stills ; An illness I know to well!

To learn about Stills  http://www.stillsdisease.org/stills_info

  and Hancock:

We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]

:

" The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the

general principals of Christianity... I will avow that I believed and now

believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and

immutable as the existence and attributes of God. "

• " [July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts

of devotion to God Almighty. "

– in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was

approved by Congress

Jefferson

God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be

thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the

minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not

to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I

reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever. " (excerpts

are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital)

 

Re: We lost a member

In a message dated 6/2/2008 4:00:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

allisonartpixu (DOT) com writes:

I'm putting out a question to everyone on this Support page, Can you trust

everyone enough on this page to be honest enough with your heart to tell it

like it is for you or are you going to be light-hearted and stay at the

topics of daily nature - I'm curious.

Marty - I can't thank you enough for sharing what you have been through in

your life. I really appreciate - thanks red neck man, from new red neck

woman .

Incredibly well said - I am definitely with you!

Carole from Hollywood FL

..

[Guest guest]

I will speak for my self

easy o hell no!!!! fact I get sad remembering some things and I cry yes an

emotional man that I am and after stills and the divorce that has gotten worse.

It is embarrassing to share some of the things I do but i also am a very strong

believer in if I do not share then all things of it are wasted and the bad stays

just that bad. now sharing it and if even one person can be helped no matter who

much or little then some thing good came out of it all now so far I still have a

lot of hate anger and depression over both things stills and the Big D and I do

not mean Dallas! I fight this almost every day and with My son here and what

stills happens with his mom to him it has in fact been growing. I also am mad as

hell I can not work and that a woman has to support me almost fully after all I

am a man and a man works and supports his family but hell I can not even do that

for my self let alone any one other . so is it easy NO! but it is also some

thing that

needs to be at times and so I do and besides that I can talk all I want and I

can not see if your not listening to me so the voices in my head ( all 5 of them

) tell me that your listening so go one  ;-)

 

the  rednecks

Marty & G.

 Stills ; An illness I know to well!

To learn about Stills  http://www.stillsdisease.org/stills_info

  and Hancock:

We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]

:

" The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the

general principals of Christianity... I will avow that I believed and now

believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and

immutable as the existence and attributes of God. "

• " [July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts

of devotion to God Almighty. "

– in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was

approved by Congress

Jefferson

God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be

thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the

minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not

to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I

reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever. " (excerpts

are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital)

 

Re: We lost a member

In a message dated 6/2/2008 4:00:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

allisonartpixu (DOT) com writes:

I'm putting out a question to everyone on this Support page, Can you trust

everyone enough on this page to be honest enough with your heart to tell it

like it is for you or are you going to be light-hearted and stay at the

topics of daily nature - I'm curious.

Marty - I can't thank you enough for sharing what you have been through in

your life. I really appreciate - thanks red neck man, from new red neck

woman .

Incredibly well said - I am definitely with you!

Carole from Hollywood FL

..

[Guest guest]

 you brought tears to my eyes dam you woman. reading your words I could not help

but feel I was saying them well okay I did change the woman stuff to man things

LOL . but other then that all I can say is yes I fight to make each day be it

good to enjoy or bad to get threw it. I want to work and yet every time I have

tried I get thrown for a loop . some times I would give my right arm for more

drugs and to be back on predasion then there are the day I am so thank full I am

not on it any more . I sleep about two hours then up for a few then sleep a few

then up all day why because I feel I am wasting the day if I sleep then .

loosing time with my wife, step kids , my son and grad baby. I feel like a

failer most days .I feel like I am an ancore on my wife's neck, my mom and the

rest of my family . I have prayed not to wake up in the morning ever again. but

i do so I go one . I want to give up more then I do to go one but i go one I

live and do what I can

when i can and how ever I can . I try to have fun and I try to enjoy some days

it is hard er then others but for a long time I lost my laugh. I was the grouchy

old man some little wet nose snots called me . I had become that . my 1st wife

who I thought would be there my whole life left me and felt me personal broke 

she drive a new car got to enjoy my kids growing up got to enjoy all the first I

look forward to with my daughter and I got nothing not one day not one holiday

nothing . she now lives in a bigger home and I am renting a house that when we

move will be torn down form lack of repair so I keep plugging at it because they

have not raised the rent in over 5 years because i fix things even when I can

not i find the way. may be that is why I am the way I am I may want to give up

but i do not know how/ so not that i do not have enough on my plate so I add

more .I am trying to write two books right now one on my days life and one on

his world war

two ship . researching that and trying to talk to the two men still alive

jogging my memory to things he told me and trying to get a hold of they others

kids and grand kids is not easy . having people and government agency's send me

things most i have to pay for and why am I doing this because of who and how

proud my father was of his no matter what way of life. to make a book that my

family can enjoy . some thing to help the grand kids and there kids know there

family and a great man . know some thing if life way back when every one thought

it was the hardest thing to live yet they had fun sand to show how they did to

show what family means  to show them the sacrifice he was willing too give for

them and others he would never know that's why and that's why I share and go on

..

okay yes i am a bit emotional right now .I have felt guilty for not posting like

I used to but things got to me I am a very strong love it OR leave it person . I

do not agree with every thing in my government but i believe i am lucky to live

in the best country there is . I would give my life to keep it free and so I

bite my toung and now will not so jump me if ya want any body but be ready I

fire back LOL

love ya all and hugs

 the  rednecks

Marty & G.

 Stills ; An illness I know to well!

To learn about Stills  http://www.stillsdisease.org/stills_info

  and Hancock:

We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]

:

" The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the

general principals of Christianity... I will avow that I believed and now

believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and

immutable as the existence and attributes of God. "

• " [July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts

of devotion to God Almighty. "

– in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was

approved by Congress

Jefferson

God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be

thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the

minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not

to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I

reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever. " (excerpts

are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital)

 

Re: We lost a member

Marty,

All of us, even me, sometimes need a kick in the butt to wake up and smell

the roses. See the good in life, etc. That's what helps us get through the

rough times, to heal, to really become a family, etc. So, when I found

myself holding back, I was holding back, not just from the support of the

group, but from the get up and go kick in the butt and that is ok. What's

not OK is why I was holding back. I was holding back because it seemed like

more of the members were focused on issues that were less important than the

true daily lessons of life. When it comes down to it, a stills group isn't

going to solve the gross national dept, or ssdi problems, nor will it solve

why one person moved from the country and then decided that since the dollar

isn't strong enough the whole country is going down. Maybe it is, maybe it

isn't, but I frankly am not worried about that right now. I have bigger

problems and they are within my own home. They are called, how do I live

with this disease for the rest of my life. I'm young. I'm only 43. I was

only 36 when all this started. I still have more than half my life to life

and this sure isn't how I expected to live it. Just like I expect you didn

t expect to live your life the way you are. So I find myself wondering, is

this the support group that I need. If it is going to be focusing on

politics and the value of a dollar, I don't want to be sifting through 100's

of emails to find the few that really support the few.

..

[Guest guest]

 you brought tears to my eyes dam you woman. reading your words I could not help

but feel I was saying them well okay I did change the woman stuff to man things

LOL . but other then that all I can say is yes I fight to make each day be it

good to enjoy or bad to get threw it. I want to work and yet every time I have

tried I get thrown for a loop . some times I would give my right arm for more

drugs and to be back on predasion then there are the day I am so thank full I am

not on it any more . I sleep about two hours then up for a few then sleep a few

then up all day why because I feel I am wasting the day if I sleep then .

loosing time with my wife, step kids , my son and grad baby. I feel like a

failer most days .I feel like I am an ancore on my wife's neck, my mom and the

rest of my family . I have prayed not to wake up in the morning ever again. but

i do so I go one . I want to give up more then I do to go one but i go one I

live and do what I can

when i can and how ever I can . I try to have fun and I try to enjoy some days

it is hard er then others but for a long time I lost my laugh. I was the grouchy

old man some little wet nose snots called me . I had become that . my 1st wife

who I thought would be there my whole life left me and felt me personal broke 

she drive a new car got to enjoy my kids growing up got to enjoy all the first I

look forward to with my daughter and I got nothing not one day not one holiday

nothing . she now lives in a bigger home and I am renting a house that when we

move will be torn down form lack of repair so I keep plugging at it because they

have not raised the rent in over 5 years because i fix things even when I can

not i find the way. may be that is why I am the way I am I may want to give up

but i do not know how/ so not that i do not have enough on my plate so I add

more .I am trying to write two books right now one on my days life and one on

his world war

two ship . researching that and trying to talk to the two men still alive

jogging my memory to things he told me and trying to get a hold of they others

kids and grand kids is not easy . having people and government agency's send me

things most i have to pay for and why am I doing this because of who and how

proud my father was of his no matter what way of life. to make a book that my

family can enjoy . some thing to help the grand kids and there kids know there

family and a great man . know some thing if life way back when every one thought

it was the hardest thing to live yet they had fun sand to show how they did to

show what family means  to show them the sacrifice he was willing too give for

them and others he would never know that's why and that's why I share and go on

..

okay yes i am a bit emotional right now .I have felt guilty for not posting like

I used to but things got to me I am a very strong love it OR leave it person . I

do not agree with every thing in my government but i believe i am lucky to live

in the best country there is . I would give my life to keep it free and so I

bite my toung and now will not so jump me if ya want any body but be ready I

fire back LOL

love ya all and hugs

 the  rednecks

Marty & G.

 Stills ; An illness I know to well!

To learn about Stills  http://www.stillsdisease.org/stills_info

  and Hancock:

We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]

:

" The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the

general principals of Christianity... I will avow that I believed and now

believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and

immutable as the existence and attributes of God. "

• " [July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts

of devotion to God Almighty. "

– in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was

approved by Congress

Jefferson

God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be

thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the

minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not

to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I

reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever. " (excerpts

are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital)

 

Re: We lost a member

Marty,

All of us, even me, sometimes need a kick in the butt to wake up and smell

the roses. See the good in life, etc. That's what helps us get through the

rough times, to heal, to really become a family, etc. So, when I found

myself holding back, I was holding back, not just from the support of the

group, but from the get up and go kick in the butt and that is ok. What's

not OK is why I was holding back. I was holding back because it seemed like

more of the members were focused on issues that were less important than the

true daily lessons of life. When it comes down to it, a stills group isn't

going to solve the gross national dept, or ssdi problems, nor will it solve

why one person moved from the country and then decided that since the dollar

isn't strong enough the whole country is going down. Maybe it is, maybe it

isn't, but I frankly am not worried about that right now. I have bigger

problems and they are within my own home. They are called, how do I live

with this disease for the rest of my life. I'm young. I'm only 43. I was

only 36 when all this started. I still have more than half my life to life

and this sure isn't how I expected to live it. Just like I expect you didn

t expect to live your life the way you are. So I find myself wondering, is

this the support group that I need. If it is going to be focusing on

politics and the value of a dollar, I don't want to be sifting through 100's

of emails to find the few that really support the few.

..

[Guest guest]

 you brought tears to my eyes dam you woman. reading your words I could not help

but feel I was saying them well okay I did change the woman stuff to man things

LOL . but other then that all I can say is yes I fight to make each day be it

good to enjoy or bad to get threw it. I want to work and yet every time I have

tried I get thrown for a loop . some times I would give my right arm for more

drugs and to be back on predasion then there are the day I am so thank full I am

not on it any more . I sleep about two hours then up for a few then sleep a few

then up all day why because I feel I am wasting the day if I sleep then .

loosing time with my wife, step kids , my son and grad baby. I feel like a

failer most days .I feel like I am an ancore on my wife's neck, my mom and the

rest of my family . I have prayed not to wake up in the morning ever again. but

i do so I go one . I want to give up more then I do to go one but i go one I

live and do what I can

when i can and how ever I can . I try to have fun and I try to enjoy some days

it is hard er then others but for a long time I lost my laugh. I was the grouchy

old man some little wet nose snots called me . I had become that . my 1st wife

who I thought would be there my whole life left me and felt me personal broke 

she drive a new car got to enjoy my kids growing up got to enjoy all the first I

look forward to with my daughter and I got nothing not one day not one holiday

nothing . she now lives in a bigger home and I am renting a house that when we

move will be torn down form lack of repair so I keep plugging at it because they

have not raised the rent in over 5 years because i fix things even when I can

not i find the way. may be that is why I am the way I am I may want to give up

but i do not know how/ so not that i do not have enough on my plate so I add

more .I am trying to write two books right now one on my days life and one on

his world war

two ship . researching that and trying to talk to the two men still alive

jogging my memory to things he told me and trying to get a hold of they others

kids and grand kids is not easy . having people and government agency's send me

things most i have to pay for and why am I doing this because of who and how

proud my father was of his no matter what way of life. to make a book that my

family can enjoy . some thing to help the grand kids and there kids know there

family and a great man . know some thing if life way back when every one thought

it was the hardest thing to live yet they had fun sand to show how they did to

show what family means  to show them the sacrifice he was willing too give for

them and others he would never know that's why and that's why I share and go on

..

okay yes i am a bit emotional right now .I have felt guilty for not posting like

I used to but things got to me I am a very strong love it OR leave it person . I

do not agree with every thing in my government but i believe i am lucky to live

in the best country there is . I would give my life to keep it free and so I

bite my toung and now will not so jump me if ya want any body but be ready I

fire back LOL

love ya all and hugs

 the  rednecks

Marty & G.

 Stills ; An illness I know to well!

To learn about Stills  http://www.stillsdisease.org/stills_info

  and Hancock:

We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]

:

" The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the

general principals of Christianity... I will avow that I believed and now

believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and

immutable as the existence and attributes of God. "

• " [July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts

of devotion to God Almighty. "

– in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was

approved by Congress

Jefferson

God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be

thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the

minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not

to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I

reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever. " (excerpts

are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital)

 

Re: We lost a member

Marty,

All of us, even me, sometimes need a kick in the butt to wake up and smell

the roses. See the good in life, etc. That's what helps us get through the

rough times, to heal, to really become a family, etc. So, when I found

myself holding back, I was holding back, not just from the support of the

group, but from the get up and go kick in the butt and that is ok. What's

not OK is why I was holding back. I was holding back because it seemed like

more of the members were focused on issues that were less important than the

true daily lessons of life. When it comes down to it, a stills group isn't

going to solve the gross national dept, or ssdi problems, nor will it solve

why one person moved from the country and then decided that since the dollar

isn't strong enough the whole country is going down. Maybe it is, maybe it

isn't, but I frankly am not worried about that right now. I have bigger

problems and they are within my own home. They are called, how do I live

with this disease for the rest of my life. I'm young. I'm only 43. I was

only 36 when all this started. I still have more than half my life to life

and this sure isn't how I expected to live it. Just like I expect you didn

t expect to live your life the way you are. So I find myself wondering, is

this the support group that I need. If it is going to be focusing on

politics and the value of a dollar, I don't want to be sifting through 100's

of emails to find the few that really support the few.

..

[Guest guest]

I am hoping this is a mistake? ????

2008/6/2 Kate :

> I'm sorry but I must have missed the emails about this, we lost ?

> When

> did this happen? I'm so sorry...

> Kate

>

> 2008/6/2 <Vivigriggs@... <Vivigriggs%40aol.com>>:

>

> > I'm VIVI , new so didn't know . Jus twant to let you know that I do

> >

> > feel extremelly bad for her departure, because I feel the pain she was in

> &

> > I

> > mean phisically & mentally just does seem to come to the point that it

> just

> >

> > more than we can bear & we can only take so much. I'm ssure that she made

> > it

> > farther than she even wanted just by having the loving support of her

> group

> >

> > because when it comes to this never ending pain that goes on & on every

> > body that

> > sorrounds us gets eventually tired & dicensitied. Sorry about the loss of

> > your dear friend. The only comfort is that she finally now can rest in

> > peace. I

> > hope somehow is not in vain.

> >

> > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch " Cooking with

> > Tyler Florence " on AOL Food.

> > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4 & ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I am hoping this is a mistake? ????

2008/6/2 Kate :

> I'm sorry but I must have missed the emails about this, we lost ?

> When

> did this happen? I'm so sorry...

> Kate

>

> 2008/6/2 <Vivigriggs@... <Vivigriggs%40aol.com>>:

>

> > I'm VIVI , new so didn't know . Jus twant to let you know that I do

> >

> > feel extremelly bad for her departure, because I feel the pain she was in

> &

> > I

> > mean phisically & mentally just does seem to come to the point that it

> just

> >

> > more than we can bear & we can only take so much. I'm ssure that she made

> > it

> > farther than she even wanted just by having the loving support of her

> group

> >

> > because when it comes to this never ending pain that goes on & on every

> > body that

> > sorrounds us gets eventually tired & dicensitied. Sorry about the loss of

> > your dear friend. The only comfort is that she finally now can rest in

> > peace. I

> > hope somehow is not in vain.

> >

> > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch " Cooking with

> > Tyler Florence " on AOL Food.

> > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4 & ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I am hoping this is a mistake? ????

2008/6/2 Kate :

> I'm sorry but I must have missed the emails about this, we lost ?

> When

> did this happen? I'm so sorry...

> Kate

>

> 2008/6/2 <Vivigriggs@... <Vivigriggs%40aol.com>>:

>

> > I'm VIVI , new so didn't know . Jus twant to let you know that I do

> >

> > feel extremelly bad for her departure, because I feel the pain she was in

> &

> > I

> > mean phisically & mentally just does seem to come to the point that it

> just

> >

> > more than we can bear & we can only take so much. I'm ssure that she made

> > it

> > farther than she even wanted just by having the loving support of her

> group

> >

> > because when it comes to this never ending pain that goes on & on every

> > body that

> > sorrounds us gets eventually tired & dicensitied. Sorry about the loss of

> > your dear friend. The only comfort is that she finally now can rest in

> > peace. I

> > hope somehow is not in vain.

> >

> > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch " Cooking with

> > Tyler Florence " on AOL Food.

> > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4 & ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Marty,

What can I say, I never thought I'd love a red neck as much as I love you

No seriously. I feel like I know every feeling you know in and out and it

s hard. I think in some ways, even though I am a woman, I can really relate

you see, I was the bread winner for our family. My husband was a teacher

in Seattle public schools and by the third time he had to take a kid down

with either a knife or a gun in middle school, we were scared. And then the

real thing that made our decision, I was promoted to director and a kid that

he taught in middle school was shot in the streets on a Friday night right

after school. We kept asking ourselves do we really need all this extra

stress. The plan was for him to go into counseling or something, a year or

so went by, I was promoted again, then started to get really sick. It was

all we could do to get by, so we decided he'd stay home and take care of the

house and I'd work as much as I could since I made enough and he'd take care

of me. It was backwards, sure, but it worked. It was hard on him, his

pride, etc. But he did it for me, for us, for us as a family. Now all that

matters is that we have time together, that I have a good day once in a

while and we can go to lunch instead of a doctor and that we can have

friends over to swim in the pool sometimes. Or that we have time and energy

to see our nieces. There was a time I wanted to give up, but my husband

stood by me and never ever let me think that way. It kept me going.

My parents, they keep me going. Just the other day, my mom was sick with a

102 fever and she asked me how in the world I got by with a fever ever night

I told her it was no big deal. Can you believe that. I don't want her to

worry. Plus, in a way, you do GEt use to your temp being all over the place

Mine starts out at 97 in the morning and ends at anywhere from 100 to 103

at night. It's nuts, we go out and if the place is air conditioned, I take

a freakin' blanket with me so I can regulate my temp from going all over the

place. People look at me like I'm an alien, I don't even give a rip anymore

My husband deserves a lunch out at least once a month or so. I have

people that worked for me still Emailing me saying the place will never be

the Same without me - this is four+ years later. That they hate it because

I treated them with respect and not like a number, which is what they have

now - I find that sad. If I could go back to work, I would, but I know that

after just a day, I'd be so sick, it wouldn't be funny. I'd be in bed,

trying to recover from a nightmare of symptoms I didn't even know existed.

I've come to peace (pretty much) about work, Popeye said it best - " I am who

I am " .... It's not what I do. Society has it all screwed up having us all

thinking that if we did something, worked harder, had a better job, were the

president of the company, or America for that matter, that we'd be a BETTER

person. It's not true. We are a better person by being ourselves. By

being true to ourselves. By being honest with each other, by helping out

those that we can help out. By being the best father, sister, daughter,

friend, etc. That we can. By always being there when we can be there. It's

not about what we do for a corporate America that counts. It's what we pay

forward that counts. It's how we help each other. It's how I make a

difference in someone's life today. Whether it be one persons or a thousand

people lives. I came to realize this as I went through my acceptance stage

process when I couldn't work anymore, so please don't beat yourself up for

not working. I can't even count on my hands and toes anymore how many times

your wisdom has helped me see the forest through the trees.

You are a wise man, you may call yourself a red neck, but I call you a wise

red neck that has gone through much in this world and will be rewarded

greatly by God in the next.

We don't always understand our paths, we don't always understand what are

burdens are, but they are there to lead us to people that need guidance and

help along the way. You have done that. You have done well. You are a

true a good servant.

Hugs to you my wise and Bright Red Neck Friend,

They that wait upon the Lord will renew their strenght, they shall mount up

with wings as Eagles, they shall run and not be weary, They shall walk and

not Faint, teach me Lord, teach me Lord, to Wait.....

Isaiah 40

[Guest guest]

Marty,

What can I say, I never thought I'd love a red neck as much as I love you

No seriously. I feel like I know every feeling you know in and out and it

s hard. I think in some ways, even though I am a woman, I can really relate

you see, I was the bread winner for our family. My husband was a teacher

in Seattle public schools and by the third time he had to take a kid down

with either a knife or a gun in middle school, we were scared. And then the

real thing that made our decision, I was promoted to director and a kid that

he taught in middle school was shot in the streets on a Friday night right

after school. We kept asking ourselves do we really need all this extra

stress. The plan was for him to go into counseling or something, a year or

so went by, I was promoted again, then started to get really sick. It was

all we could do to get by, so we decided he'd stay home and take care of the

house and I'd work as much as I could since I made enough and he'd take care

of me. It was backwards, sure, but it worked. It was hard on him, his

pride, etc. But he did it for me, for us, for us as a family. Now all that

matters is that we have time together, that I have a good day once in a

while and we can go to lunch instead of a doctor and that we can have

friends over to swim in the pool sometimes. Or that we have time and energy

to see our nieces. There was a time I wanted to give up, but my husband

stood by me and never ever let me think that way. It kept me going.

My parents, they keep me going. Just the other day, my mom was sick with a

102 fever and she asked me how in the world I got by with a fever ever night

I told her it was no big deal. Can you believe that. I don't want her to

worry. Plus, in a way, you do GEt use to your temp being all over the place

Mine starts out at 97 in the morning and ends at anywhere from 100 to 103

at night. It's nuts, we go out and if the place is air conditioned, I take

a freakin' blanket with me so I can regulate my temp from going all over the

place. People look at me like I'm an alien, I don't even give a rip anymore

My husband deserves a lunch out at least once a month or so. I have

people that worked for me still Emailing me saying the place will never be

the Same without me - this is four+ years later. That they hate it because

I treated them with respect and not like a number, which is what they have

now - I find that sad. If I could go back to work, I would, but I know that

after just a day, I'd be so sick, it wouldn't be funny. I'd be in bed,

trying to recover from a nightmare of symptoms I didn't even know existed.

I've come to peace (pretty much) about work, Popeye said it best - " I am who

I am " .... It's not what I do. Society has it all screwed up having us all

thinking that if we did something, worked harder, had a better job, were the

president of the company, or America for that matter, that we'd be a BETTER

person. It's not true. We are a better person by being ourselves. By

being true to ourselves. By being honest with each other, by helping out

those that we can help out. By being the best father, sister, daughter,

friend, etc. That we can. By always being there when we can be there. It's

not about what we do for a corporate America that counts. It's what we pay

forward that counts. It's how we help each other. It's how I make a

difference in someone's life today. Whether it be one persons or a thousand

people lives. I came to realize this as I went through my acceptance stage

process when I couldn't work anymore, so please don't beat yourself up for

not working. I can't even count on my hands and toes anymore how many times

your wisdom has helped me see the forest through the trees.

You are a wise man, you may call yourself a red neck, but I call you a wise

red neck that has gone through much in this world and will be rewarded

greatly by God in the next.

We don't always understand our paths, we don't always understand what are

burdens are, but they are there to lead us to people that need guidance and

help along the way. You have done that. You have done well. You are a

true a good servant.

Hugs to you my wise and Bright Red Neck Friend,

They that wait upon the Lord will renew their strenght, they shall mount up

with wings as Eagles, they shall run and not be weary, They shall walk and

not Faint, teach me Lord, teach me Lord, to Wait.....

Isaiah 40

[Guest guest]

and every one

 you words are good to read and thank you for them. I will add my ex wife was so

so jealous of me staying home as it is what she wanted to do be a stay at

home mom but she wanted all the things the had also . she lived in a

fantasy world of the 50's tv movies and shows like father knows best and leave

it to beaver. I know I am not what I do but then again I am as in how I handle

what I have been given . I know I am still here with stills because i am to

argumentative to go to heaven and to Strong willed to go to hell see one i will

convert to the dark side the other I will just take over with out an election .

see what all of you wll only know now is I was a very bad boy growing up fact be

told I am and was who you parents warned you about hanging with LOL. yup the

cops were at our home talking to my mom and dad bu the time I was 8. I remember

one time they came my little brother opened the door and two cops were there .

the first words out

of his mouth say it all they were this . " he wont do it again I promise please

do nt take him away again " LOL see Kirt may make it sound like he is a bad boy

but I bet he is a sweat heart were I may sound nice but do not turn your back to

me or I will do a chango presto on ya LOL well I gots to go the voices in my

head are starting to fight again and I have to let them know who's boss.

 

the  rednecks

Marty & G.

 Stills ; An illness I know to well!

To learn about Stills  http://www.stillsdisease.org/stills_info

  and Hancock:

We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]

:

" The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the

general principals of Christianity... I will avow that I believed and now

believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and

immutable as the existence and attributes of God. "

• " [July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts

of devotion to God Almighty. "

– in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was

approved by Congress

Jefferson

God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be

thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the

minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not

to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I

reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever. " (excerpts

are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital)

 

[Guest guest]

and every one

 you words are good to read and thank you for them. I will add my ex wife was so

so jealous of me staying home as it is what she wanted to do be a stay at

home mom but she wanted all the things the had also . she lived in a

fantasy world of the 50's tv movies and shows like father knows best and leave

it to beaver. I know I am not what I do but then again I am as in how I handle

what I have been given . I know I am still here with stills because i am to

argumentative to go to heaven and to Strong willed to go to hell see one i will

convert to the dark side the other I will just take over with out an election .

see what all of you wll only know now is I was a very bad boy growing up fact be

told I am and was who you parents warned you about hanging with LOL. yup the

cops were at our home talking to my mom and dad bu the time I was 8. I remember

one time they came my little brother opened the door and two cops were there .

the first words out

of his mouth say it all they were this . " he wont do it again I promise please

do nt take him away again " LOL see Kirt may make it sound like he is a bad boy

but I bet he is a sweat heart were I may sound nice but do not turn your back to

me or I will do a chango presto on ya LOL well I gots to go the voices in my

head are starting to fight again and I have to let them know who's boss.

 

the  rednecks

Marty & G.

 Stills ; An illness I know to well!

To learn about Stills  http://www.stillsdisease.org/stills_info

  and Hancock:

We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]

:

" The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the

general principals of Christianity... I will avow that I believed and now

believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and

immutable as the existence and attributes of God. "

• " [July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts

of devotion to God Almighty. "

– in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was

approved by Congress

Jefferson

God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be

thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the

minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not

to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I

reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever. " (excerpts

are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital)

 

[Guest guest]

and every one

 you words are good to read and thank you for them. I will add my ex wife was so

so jealous of me staying home as it is what she wanted to do be a stay at

home mom but she wanted all the things the had also . she lived in a

fantasy world of the 50's tv movies and shows like father knows best and leave

it to beaver. I know I am not what I do but then again I am as in how I handle

what I have been given . I know I am still here with stills because i am to

argumentative to go to heaven and to Strong willed to go to hell see one i will

convert to the dark side the other I will just take over with out an election .

see what all of you wll only know now is I was a very bad boy growing up fact be

told I am and was who you parents warned you about hanging with LOL. yup the

cops were at our home talking to my mom and dad bu the time I was 8. I remember

one time they came my little brother opened the door and two cops were there .

the first words out

of his mouth say it all they were this . " he wont do it again I promise please

do nt take him away again " LOL see Kirt may make it sound like he is a bad boy

but I bet he is a sweat heart were I may sound nice but do not turn your back to

me or I will do a chango presto on ya LOL well I gots to go the voices in my

head are starting to fight again and I have to let them know who's boss.

 

the  rednecks

Marty & G.

 Stills ; An illness I know to well!

To learn about Stills  http://www.stillsdisease.org/stills_info

  and Hancock:

We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]

:

" The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the

general principals of Christianity... I will avow that I believed and now

believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and

immutable as the existence and attributes of God. "

• " [July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts

of devotion to God Almighty. "

– in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was

approved by Congress

Jefferson

God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be

thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the

minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not

to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I

reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever. " (excerpts

are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital)

 

[Guest guest]

Dear

I thought your post was very poignant but I would just like to say that when

I read about the sad loss of one of our family, I wanted to immediately

reply and say how sorry I was to hear the news but unfortunately one of my

weaknesses - if it is that is that I always try to think of the other person

and to be quite honest I wasn't sure if her husband would want to see a lot

of e-mails reminding him, I thought it was his way of telling us and to

leave it at that. I am definitely going to go with my gut instinct another

time as I feel my lack of reply has been misconstrued as not feeling it was

important. Perhaps because I didn't know them personally I was too afraid

of upsetting her husband and family.

I hope that you don't mind me replying and that you are having a bearable

time at the moment.

Joan U.K.

[Guest guest]

Dear

I thought your post was very poignant but I would just like to say that when

I read about the sad loss of one of our family, I wanted to immediately

reply and say how sorry I was to hear the news but unfortunately one of my

weaknesses - if it is that is that I always try to think of the other person

and to be quite honest I wasn't sure if her husband would want to see a lot

of e-mails reminding him, I thought it was his way of telling us and to

leave it at that. I am definitely going to go with my gut instinct another

time as I feel my lack of reply has been misconstrued as not feeling it was

important. Perhaps because I didn't know them personally I was too afraid

of upsetting her husband and family.

I hope that you don't mind me replying and that you are having a bearable

time at the moment.

Joan U.K.