Re: Rogene: sauna questions

[Guest guest]

My Dear Beth:

We have a sauna, but I'm afraid to use it because of my MS. I know that

when I use the Jacuzzi I do get some neurological symptoms. The MS society

has told me not to use our jacuzzi or the sauna because it can bring on a

flare! We had a flood and the sauna has no door and the tap fell off the

jacuzzi, so I guess that I am safe. I t seems like everything we touch in

this home is broken. We are slowly getting things fixed, but our basement is

still a mess.

My left foot vibrates most all of the time. One of my doctors used to

laugh and tell me to see the movie " My Left Foot " , it is an excellent movie.

It is a must for us to see.

I hope that you are taking care...love....Lea

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``````

Rogene: sauna questions

>

>

> Rogene,

>

> What would you recommend, 30 minutes per day? I have done epson

> salt baths, nothing has make me sweat enough, only a sauna trial has

> worked for me. Also, are you taking Glutathione? I'm reading a lot

> about it. Here's an interesting supplement, Glutathione

> Booster,made by Carlson's. www.carlsonlabs.com Can you take a look

> at it and see what you think? This is a supplement mentioned in

> detox or die. I am thinking about getting that and lipoic acid.

>

> thanks,

> Beth

>

>

>

>

> > Beth . . . Having a sauna close to you will be

> > wonderful! . . .

> >

> > Have you read L.Ron Hubbards' " Clear Body, Clear

> > Mind " ? It's an old book . . . written before many of

> > the supplements now available were in use.

> >

> > I tried to follow his program using a hot tub. I know

> > it worked, but, if I had it to do over again, I would

> > want to do it in a supervised environment. . . When

> > one starts herxing that heavily, it's good to have

> > someone to keep an eye on you. I was mentally out of

> > it by the time I stopped prematurely. An alternative

> > would be to work the program much more slowly than he

> > recommends.

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Rogene

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Beth,

I usually do 40 minutes . . . but that includes

warm-up. . . and I don't do it on a regular basis.

Just when I'm achy or feel the need for it.

Right now, I'm taking only supplements the naturopath

recommended. . . I found that my stomach wouldn't

tolerate any more.

I would like to look at the website, but right now, I

don't have the time. . . I've got to get the Christmas

tree decorated this evening because I'm going out of

town in the morning and coming back to a house full of

company!

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

-Beth

I took glutathione by taking immunocal for several months. I

reacted to that by increased pain and eventually just quit taking

it. I still have a whole box and it is very expensive. I am now

taking a product called Zymitol by Generation plus. It has alpha

lipoic acid, msm, and enzymes. I think it is a pretty good

product. It comes in capsules and I just break them down to tiny

amounts as I herx pretty badly to enzymes. I have been using them

for several days now. I think I will like them. They also make a

product called Naticor that has nattokinase and enzymes in it. I

have that on order. I expect that to be a good product also.

Hopefully I will have good things to report about both of them

hugs,kathy

-- In , " bethlakey " <bethlakey@y...>

wrote:

>

> Rogene,

>

> What would you recommend, 30 minutes per day? I have done epson

> salt baths, nothing has make me sweat enough, only a sauna trial

has

> worked for me. Also, are you taking Glutathione? I'm reading a

lot

> about it. Here's an interesting supplement, Glutathione

> Booster,made by Carlson's. www.carlsonlabs.com Can you take a

look

> at it and see what you think? This is a supplement mentioned in

> detox or die. I am thinking about getting that and lipoic acid.

>

> thanks,

> Beth

>

>

>

> --- In , Rogene S <saxony01@y...>

wrote:

> > Beth . . . Having a sauna close to you will be

> > wonderful! . . .

> >

> > Have you read L.Ron Hubbards' " Clear Body, Clear

> > Mind " ? It's an old book . . . written before many of

> > the supplements now available were in use.

> >

> > I tried to follow his program using a hot tub. I know

> > it worked, but, if I had it to do over again, I would

> > want to do it in a supervised environment. . . When

> > one starts herxing that heavily, it's good to have

> > someone to keep an eye on you. I was mentally out of

> > it by the time I stopped prematurely. An alternative

> > would be to work the program much more slowly than he

> > recommends.

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Rogene

[Guest guest]

Lea

sorry to hear that you have so many things needing to be fixed! It

can be exasperating cant it? I have heard others with ms like

symptoms say they flare to saunas. I wonder if that is actually a

flare, or possibly a herx. I know patty said that she used to get

brainfog symptoms when using her infrared sauna. But it helped if

she wrapped her head in a towel. Isn't that strange? Have you ever

tried olive leaf extract or antibiotic therapy? Antibiotic therapy

is helping some people with ms---it is the infectious theory. That

these diseases are caused by the bodies reaction to mycoplasma or

other infectious agents. Might want to look into it.

Hugs,kathy

--- In , " Lea " <devans@c...>

wrote:

> My Dear Beth:

>

> We have a sauna, but I'm afraid to use it because of my MS. I

know that

> when I use the Jacuzzi I do get some neurological symptoms. The MS

society

> has told me not to use our jacuzzi or the sauna because it can

bring on a

> flare! We had a flood and the sauna has no door and the tap fell

off the

> jacuzzi, so I guess that I am safe. I t seems like everything we

touch in

> this home is broken. We are slowly getting things fixed, but our

basement is

> still a mess.

>

> My left foot vibrates most all of the time. One of my doctors

used to

> laugh and tell me to see the movie " My Left Foot " , it is an

excellent movie.

> It is a must for us to see.

>

> I hope that you are taking care...love....Lea

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``````

> Rogene: sauna questions

>

>

> >

> >

> > Rogene,

> >

> > What would you recommend, 30 minutes per day? I have done

epson

> > salt baths, nothing has make me sweat enough, only a sauna

trial has

> > worked for me. Also, are you taking Glutathione? I'm reading

a lot

> > about it. Here's an interesting supplement, Glutathione

> > Booster,made by Carlson's. www.carlsonlabs.com Can you take

a look

> > at it and see what you think? This is a supplement mentioned

in

> > detox or die. I am thinking about getting that and lipoic

acid.

> >

> > thanks,

> > Beth

> >

> >

> >

> > --- In , Rogene S <saxony01@y...>

wrote:

> > > Beth . . . Having a sauna close to you will be

> > > wonderful! . . .

> > >

> > > Have you read L.Ron Hubbards' " Clear Body, Clear

> > > Mind " ? It's an old book . . . written before many of

> > > the supplements now available were in use.

> > >

> > > I tried to follow his program using a hot tub. I know

> > > it worked, but, if I had it to do over again, I would

> > > want to do it in a supervised environment. . . When

> > > one starts herxing that heavily, it's good to have

> > > someone to keep an eye on you. I was mentally out of

> > > it by the time I stopped prematurely. An alternative

> > > would be to work the program much more slowly than he

> > > recommends.

> > >

> > > Hugs,

> > >

> > > Rogene

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Lea

I find it very hard to sit in jacuzzi's. The heat makes my pulse

speed up and my heart beat fast and I get dizzy. I really like the

far infrared sauna because it is like sitting outside on a sunny

day. You get hot and hotter and then sweat and then cool off. It is

safer for people with heart problems than regular saunas.

A herx is named after the man who identified it. His last name was

herxheimer. A herx is a reaction that your body produces to

something you are doing that kills off pathogens. As the pathogens

are killed off, the body must eliminate the waste or debri, from

these dead organisms. While the body is trying to eliminate them,

the dead organisms are releasing toxins into your body. For

instance, some yeast killers can make the yeast actually explode.

These fragments are toxic just like the yeast itself was. So until

your body can eliminate them and clean up the mess, you get

increased symptoms. Your symptoms may be more of what you are

already experiencing, or something new or different. Most common

symptoms of herxes are headache, flu like feelings, nausea,

dizziness, etc. It can be very hard to distinguish the difference

between a herx, an allergic reaction, and a flare.

A flare is a temporary acting up of your disease or condition.

Herxes are good because they let you know that you are killing

something off. However, they can be nasty and longlasting at

times. Also, if your body has elimination problems, they can be

even harmful. That is why you often have to reduce dosage when you

get a bad herx. That is also why it is important to detoxify. It

is when our bodies are too toxic that we can't eliminate the

pathogens we kill off and that makes us feel even sicker.

there have been many good suggestions on diet here. I think I would

definitely increase raw food: foods that haven't been cooked such as

vegetables and fruits and nuts and seeds. I would try to eat

organic when possible and cut back on grains, sugar and dairy. Many

people react negatively to milk. At the very least, I would buy

organic milk as most of it today has toomany hormones and

antibiotics in it. You might want to try some green and white teas

also. They are supposed to be good for you. I started using this

japanese twig tea that is supposed to be very alkalinizing. What

kind of antibiotics are you taking? Is it to treat your ms? Who

prescribed them? Hope you are having a good day today!

love,kathy

> > > > > Beth . . . Having a sauna close to you will be

> > > > > wonderful! . . .

> > > > >

> > > > > Have you read L.Ron Hubbards' " Clear Body, Clear

> > > > > Mind " ? It's an old book . . . written before many of

> > > > > the supplements now available were in use.

> > > > >

> > > > > I tried to follow his program using a hot tub. I know

> > > > > it worked, but, if I had it to do over again, I would

> > > > > want to do it in a supervised environment. . . When

> > > > > one starts herxing that heavily, it's good to have

> > > > > someone to keep an eye on you. I was mentally out of

> > > > > it by the time I stopped prematurely. An alternative

> > > > > would be to work the program much more slowly than he

> > > > > recommends.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hugs,

> > > > >

> > > > > Rogene

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

Good explanation of herxing!

Hugs,

Rogene

--- mikat828 <mikat828@...> wrote:

>

>

> Dear Lea

> I find it very hard to sit in jacuzzi's. The heat

> makes my pulse

> speed up and my heart beat fast and I get dizzy. I

> really like the

> far infrared sauna because it is like sitting

> outside on a sunny

> day. You get hot and hotter and then sweat and then

> cool off. It is

> safer for people with heart problems than regular

> saunas.

> A herx is named after the man who identified it.

> His last name was

> herxheimer. A herx is a reaction that your body

> produces to

> something you are doing that kills off pathogens.

> As the pathogens

> are killed off, the body must eliminate the waste or

> debri, from

> these dead organisms. While the body is trying to

> eliminate them,

> the dead organisms are releasing toxins into your

> body. For

> instance, some yeast killers can make the yeast

> actually explode.

> These fragments are toxic just like the yeast itself

> was. So until

> your body can eliminate them and clean up the mess,

> you get

> increased symptoms. Your symptoms may be more of

> what you are

> already experiencing, or something new or different.

> Most common

> symptoms of herxes are headache, flu like feelings,

> nausea,

> dizziness, etc. It can be very hard to distinguish

> the difference

> between a herx, an allergic reaction, and a flare.

> A flare is a temporary acting up of your disease or

> condition.

> Herxes are good because they let you know that you

> are killing

> something off. However, they can be nasty and

> longlasting at

> times. Also, if your body has elimination problems,

> they can be

> even harmful. That is why you often have to reduce

> dosage when you

> get a bad herx. That is also why it is important to

> detoxify. It

> is when our bodies are too toxic that we can't

> eliminate the

> pathogens we kill off and that makes us feel even

> sicker.

> there have been many good suggestions on diet here.

> I think I would

> definitely increase raw food: foods that haven't

> been cooked such as

> vegetables and fruits and nuts and seeds. I would

> try to eat

> organic when possible and cut back on grains, sugar

> and dairy. Many

> people react negatively to milk. At the very least,

> I would buy

> organic milk as most of it today has toomany

> hormones and

> antibiotics in it. You might want to try some green

> and white teas

> also. They are supposed to be good for you. I

> started using this

> japanese twig tea that is supposed to be very

> alkalinizing. What

> kind of antibiotics are you taking? Is it to treat

> your ms? Who

> prescribed them? Hope you are having a good day

> today!

> love,kathy

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > My Dear Beth:

> > > >

> > > > We have a sauna, but I'm afraid to use it

> because of my

> MS. I

> > > know that

> > > > when I use the Jacuzzi I do get some

> neurological symptoms.

> The MS

> > > society

> > > > has told me not to use our jacuzzi or the

> sauna because it

> can

> > > bring on a

> > > > flare! We had a flood and the sauna has no

> door and the tap

> fell

> > > off the

> > > > jacuzzi, so I guess that I am safe. I t

> seems like

> everything we

> > > touch in

> > > > this home is broken. We are slowly getting

> things fixed, but

> our

>

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[Guest guest]

Dearest Kathy:

Thank you for answering my questions. I'm not sure what kind of a sauna

that we have, but it is all cedar, no door because it was destroyed in the

flood. There is only one light in this little room with a heater with rocks

in it. You must think that I'm really stupid, but I have never been in a

sauna. We used it to store all of our bedding in our other home. This is

something that we should never do. I would like any information on using our

sauna when it is fixed. If it helps to clense the body, I would be willing

to try it.

Kathy, when I have a flare I have vision loss, mild headache, nausea, and

I just feel sick. A herx is the same as a flare.

Thank you for your help...love...Lea

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`````

Re: Rogene: sauna questions

>

>

>

> Dear Lea

> I find it very hard to sit in jacuzzi's. The heat makes my pulse

> speed up and my heart beat fast and I get dizzy. I really like the

> far infrared sauna because it is like sitting outside on a sunny

> day. You get hot and hotter and then sweat and then cool off. It is

> safer for people with heart problems than regular saunas.

> A herx is named after the man who identified it. His last name was

> herxheimer. A herx is a reaction that your body produces to

> something you are doing that kills off pathogens. As the pathogens

> are killed off, the body must eliminate the waste or debri, from

> these dead organisms. While the body is trying to eliminate them,

> the dead organisms are releasing toxins into your body. For

> instance, some yeast killers can make the yeast actually explode.

> These fragments are toxic just like the yeast itself was. So until

> your body can eliminate them and clean up the mess, you get

> increased symptoms. Your symptoms may be more of what you are

> already experiencing, or something new or different. Most common

> symptoms of herxes are headache, flu like feelings, nausea,

> dizziness, etc. It can be very hard to distinguish the difference

> between a herx, an allergic reaction, and a flare.

> A flare is a temporary acting up of your disease or condition.

> Herxes are good because they let you know that you are killing

> something off. However, they can be nasty and longlasting at

> times. Also, if your body has elimination problems, they can be

> even harmful. That is why you often have to reduce dosage when you

> get a bad herx. That is also why it is important to detoxify. It

> is when our bodies are too toxic that we can't eliminate the

> pathogens we kill off and that makes us feel even sicker.

> there have been many good suggestions on diet here. I think I would

> definitely increase raw food: foods that haven't been cooked such as

> vegetables and fruits and nuts and seeds. I would try to eat

> organic when possible and cut back on grains, sugar and dairy. Many

> people react negatively to milk. At the very least, I would buy

> organic milk as most of it today has toomany hormones and

> antibiotics in it. You might want to try some green and white teas

> also. They are supposed to be good for you. I started using this

> japanese twig tea that is supposed to be very alkalinizing. What

> kind of antibiotics are you taking? Is it to treat your ms? Who

> prescribed them? Hope you are having a good day today!

> love,kathy

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > > > Beth . . . Having a sauna close to you will be

> > > > > > wonderful! . . .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Have you read L.Ron Hubbards' " Clear Body, Clear

> > > > > > Mind " ? It's an old book . . . written before many of

> > > > > > the supplements now available were in use.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I tried to follow his program using a hot tub. I know

> > > > > > it worked, but, if I had it to do over again, I would

> > > > > > want to do it in a supervised environment. . . When

> > > > > > one starts herxing that heavily, it's good to have

> > > > > > someone to keep an eye on you. I was mentally out of

> > > > > > it by the time I stopped prematurely. An alternative

> > > > > > would be to work the program much more slowly than he

> > > > > > recommends.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hugs,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rogene

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

You can get information about the use/benefit of " far

infrared saunas " by doing a websearch for them. . .

Some manufacturer's have better documentation than

others. . . When purchasing, some have better

warranties than others. Price can vary considerably.

Infrared sauna therapy is relatively new to the U.S.,

compared to Europe where it's benefits have been know

for ages! . . .

My daughter, and occupational therapist, uses infrared

pads to treat Alzheimer's patients with diabetic

wounds, arthritis, and peripheral neuropathy with

outstanding results. As compared to ultrasound and

other therapies, there is no limit to the time, or

number of treatments.

Far infrared saunas are different from steam or dry

heat saunas in that the air temperature of an infrared

sauna does not heat much. The infrared light

penetrates tissue as much as 2 " . Infrared is

considerably more comfortable since one is not

breathing hot air.

Rogene

[Guest guest]

I used to like to sit in the sauna in my old apartment complex !

Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote:

You can get information about the use/benefit of "farinfrared saunas" by doing a websearch for them. . .Some manufacturer's have better documentation thanothers. . . When purchasing, some have betterwarranties than others. Price can vary considerably.Infrared sauna therapy is relatively new to the U.S.,compared to Europe where it's benefits have been knowfor ages! . . . My daughter, and occupational therapist, uses infraredpads to treat Alzheimer's patients with diabeticwounds, arthritis, and peripheral neuropathy withoutstanding results. As compared to ultrasound andother therapies, there is no limit to the time, ornumber of treatments.Far infrared saunas are different from steam or dryheat saunas in that the air temperature of an infraredsauna does not heat much. The infrared lightpenetrates tissue

as much as 2". Infrared isconsiderably more comfortable since one is notbreathing hot air.Rogene

[Guest guest]

Thank you Rogene for all the information on sauna's. We have a plain old

sauna, but I will look for the one that you have mentioned. Do not forget

that I live in Canada, we are way behind in things like this. One of the

hospitals here is finally using the hyperberic chamber for some diseases.

Dr. Blais had told me when I was so very sick that the doctors should use

the old Iron Lung Chamber that they used for Polio victims. They have one on

display at the university hospital.

Love you....Lea

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`````

Re: Re: Rogene: sauna questions

>

> You can get information about the use/benefit of " far

> infrared saunas " by doing a websearch for them. . .

> Some manufacturer's have better documentation than

> others. . . When purchasing, some have better

> warranties than others. Price can vary considerably.

>

> Infrared sauna therapy is relatively new to the U.S.,

> compared to Europe where it's benefits have been know

> for ages! . . .

>

> My daughter, and occupational therapist, uses infrared

> pads to treat Alzheimer's patients with diabetic

> wounds, arthritis, and peripheral neuropathy with

> outstanding results. As compared to ultrasound and

> other therapies, there is no limit to the time, or

> number of treatments.

>

> Far infrared saunas are different from steam or dry

> heat saunas in that the air temperature of an infrared

> sauna does not heat much. The infrared light

> penetrates tissue as much as 2 " . Infrared is

> considerably more comfortable since one is not

> breathing hot air.

>

> Rogene

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

-

lea

It sounds like you have a dry sauna. the rocks heat up and the room

heats up. some people like those better than steam. Far infrared

is kind of like a dry sauna but is really more like just sitting in

the sun--minus the brightness! The far infrared sauna's heat has a

superior ability to penetrate the body muscle.

Also, even though the symptoms of a herx and a flare can be the

same, they themselves are not the same. A flare is usually a

worsening of the disease (temporary of permanent)and is not caused

by killing off pathogens. On the other hand, a herx is caused by

killing off pathogens and is usually a good sign that you are doing

something effective in helping your body. It is temporary.

I am still wondering what antibiotics you are taking and what they

are for. Is it the antibiotic therapy that I was talking about?

Hugs, kathy

-- In , " Lea " <devans@c...> wrote:

> Dearest Kathy:

>

> Thank you for answering my questions. I'm not sure what kind of

a sauna

> that we have, but it is all cedar, no door because it was

destroyed in the

> flood. There is only one light in this little room with a heater

with rocks

> in it. You must think that I'm really stupid, but I have never

been in a

> sauna. We used it to store all of our bedding in our other home.

This is

> something that we should never do. I would like any information on

using our

> sauna when it is fixed. If it helps to clense the body, I would be

willing

> to try it.

>

> Kathy, when I have a flare I have vision loss, mild headache,

nausea, and

> I just feel sick. A herx is the same as a flare.

>

> Thank you for your help...love...Lea

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`````

> Re: Rogene: sauna questions

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Lea

> > I find it very hard to sit in jacuzzi's. The heat makes my

pulse

> > speed up and my heart beat fast and I get dizzy. I really

like the

> > far infrared sauna because it is like sitting outside on a

sunny

> > day. You get hot and hotter and then sweat and then cool off.

It is

> > safer for people with heart problems than regular saunas.

> > A herx is named after the man who identified it. His last

name was

> > herxheimer. A herx is a reaction that your body produces to

> > something you are doing that kills off pathogens. As the

pathogens

> > are killed off, the body must eliminate the waste or debri,

from

> > these dead organisms. While the body is trying to eliminate

them,

> > the dead organisms are releasing toxins into your body. For

> > instance, some yeast killers can make the yeast actually

explode.

> > These fragments are toxic just like the yeast itself was. So

until

> > your body can eliminate them and clean up the mess, you get

> > increased symptoms. Your symptoms may be more of what you are

> > already experiencing, or something new or different. Most

common

> > symptoms of herxes are headache, flu like feelings, nausea,

> > dizziness, etc. It can be very hard to distinguish the

difference

> > between a herx, an allergic reaction, and a flare.

> > A flare is a temporary acting up of your disease or condition.

> > Herxes are good because they let you know that you are killing

> > something off. However, they can be nasty and longlasting at

> > times. Also, if your body has elimination problems, they can

be

> > even harmful. That is why you often have to reduce dosage

when you

> > get a bad herx. That is also why it is important to

detoxify. It

> > is when our bodies are too toxic that we can't eliminate the

> > pathogens we kill off and that makes us feel even sicker.

> > there have been many good suggestions on diet here. I think I

would

> > definitely increase raw food: foods that haven't been cooked

such as

> > vegetables and fruits and nuts and seeds. I would try to eat

> > organic when possible and cut back on grains, sugar and

dairy. Many

> > people react negatively to milk. At the very least, I would

buy

> > organic milk as most of it today has toomany hormones and

> > antibiotics in it. You might want to try some green and white

teas

> > also. They are supposed to be good for you. I started using

this

> > japanese twig tea that is supposed to be very alkalinizing.

What

> > kind of antibiotics are you taking? Is it to treat your ms?

Who

> > prescribed them? Hope you are having a good day today!

> > love,kathy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > > > > > Beth . . . Having a sauna close to you will be

> > > > > > > wonderful! . . .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Have you read L.Ron Hubbards' " Clear Body, Clear

> > > > > > > Mind " ? It's an old book . . . written before

many of

> > > > > > > the supplements now available were in use.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I tried to follow his program using a hot tub. I

know

> > > > > > > it worked, but, if I had it to do over again, I

would

> > > > > > > want to do it in a supervised environment. . .

When

> > > > > > > one starts herxing that heavily, it's good to

have

> > > > > > > someone to keep an eye on you. I was mentally

out of

> > > > > > > it by the time I stopped prematurely. An

alternative

> > > > > > > would be to work the program much more slowly

than he

> > > > > > > recommends.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hugs,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rogene

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