Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 My son was 10 months when he was diagnosed, which is very late. Do not wait and see. Has your son had an MRI yet? He needs that first, then he needs to be seen by a surgeon who has been properly trained and has the pediatric AMIL frame to not only apply a cast, but to be able to manipulate the spine so that it de-rotates. I cannot stress how important it is to have someone who has been properly trained. This is a rare condition and not many doctors are familiar with it. Please let me know where you are located and we'll help you get in touch with the closest doctor that can more effectively treat your son. Time is of the essence - appointments can take some time, the MRI takes some time, so it's essential that you get through that as quickly as possible so that he can be monitored. Sandi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 First where do you live? I would not wait and see. Go for a second opinion. My son was 14months when diagnosed with a 24degree curve in two and a half months it was at 37degrees. Just because it is only 20degrees now does not mean it will not progress rapidly. Rochelle mom to Devyn > > Our son is 4.5 months and was just diagnosed with idiopathic infantile > scoliosis. His curve is on the left side and right now its at 20 > degrees. The doctor said we just have to wait and see how it > progresses. From what I have read thus far, he is on the cusp as to > whether it will resolve on its own or get progressively worse. > > Our follow-up appointment is in 4 months. In the meantime, I am looking > for more information/experiences - is 4 months a long time to wait > (considering he's only about 4 months now), how old was your child when > they were diagnosed, what was the degree, prognosis, treatment, etc.?? > Did anything else develop as a result of the scoliosis? He does not > like being on his tummy - he screams every single time - and I am > wondering if there is any connection? > > Any information would be greatly appreciated. > > LWO > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 He has not had an MRI. Why would he need an MRI? We are in New York City and were seen at the Hospital for Special Surgery at Cornell. I thought they were one of the best?? Do you know of any doctors in NYC? > > My son was 10 months when he was diagnosed, which is very late. > Do not wait and see. Has your son had an MRI yet? He needs that first, > then he needs to be seen by a surgeon who has been properly trained and has > the pediatric AMIL frame to not only apply a cast, but to be able to > manipulate the spine so that it de-rotates. I cannot stress how important > it is to have someone who has been properly trained. This is a rare > condition and not many doctors are familiar with it. Please let me know > where you are located and we'll help you get in touch with the closest > doctor that can more effectively treat your son. Time is of the essence - > appointments can take some time, the MRI takes some time, so it's essential > that you get through that as quickly as possible so that he can be > monitored. > Sandi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 .. They do an MRI to rule out whether it is congenital or idiopathic. Idiopathic means they do not know the cause and congenital means basically there is a structural issue either ribs, vertebrae so on that is causing the curvature. Tracey Re: Looking for more information/experiences He has not had an MRI. Why would he need an MRI? We are in New York City and were seen at the Hospital for Special Surgery at Cornell. I thought they were one of the best?? Do you know of any doctors in NYC? > > My son was 10 months when he was diagnosed, which is very late. > Do not wait and see. Has your son had an MRI yet? He needs that first, > then he needs to be seen by a surgeon who has been properly trained and has > the pediatric AMIL frame to not only apply a cast, but to be able to > manipulate the spine so that it de-rotates. I cannot stress how important > it is to have someone who has been properly trained. This is a rare > condition and not many doctors are familiar with it. Please let me know > where you are located and we'll help you get in touch with the closest > doctor that can more effectively treat your son. Time is of the essence - > appointments can take some time, the MRI takes some time, so it's essential > that you get through that as quickly as possible so that he can be > monitored. > Sandi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 They might be one of the best hospitals, just not for Progressive Infantile Scoliosis. I would think the closest would be Rochester..Dr. . How old is your son and his degree of curvature? The reason for the MRI is to rule out any neurological abnormalities, to determine if his scoli is congenital vs idiopathic. HTH and Evan lmariewilson wrote: He has not had an MRI. Why would he need an MRI? We are in New York City and were seen at the Hospital for Special Surgery at Cornell. I thought they were one of the best?? Do you know of any doctors in NYC? > > My son was 10 months when he was diagnosed, which is very late. > Do not wait and see. Has your son had an MRI yet? He needs that first, > then he needs to be seen by a surgeon who has been properly trained and has > the pediatric AMIL frame to not only apply a cast, but to be able to > manipulate the spine so that it de-rotates. I cannot stress how important > it is to have someone who has been properly trained. This is a rare > condition and not many doctors are familiar with it. Please let me know > where you are located and we'll help you get in touch with the closest > doctor that can more effectively treat your son. Time is of the essence - > appointments can take some time, the MRI takes some time, so it's essential > that you get through that as quickly as possible so that he can be > monitored. > Sandi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Because they cannot diagnose infantile idiopathic scoliosis unless there is an MRI. The MRI will show whether or not it is congenital - to check for tumors, a tethered cord, or wedge or fused vertebrae. It is definitely step two after the initial x-ray. S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 My son is 4.5 months old and he is at 19.7 degrees. The doctor said it was idiopathic. > > > > My son was 10 months when he was diagnosed, which is very late. > > Do not wait and see. Has your son had an MRI yet? He needs that > first, > > then he needs to be seen by a surgeon who has been properly trained > and has > > the pediatric AMIL frame to not only apply a cast, but to be able to > > manipulate the spine so that it de-rotates. I cannot stress how > important > > it is to have someone who has been properly trained. This is a rare > > condition and not many doctors are familiar with it. Please let me > know > > where you are located and we'll help you get in touch with the > closest > > doctor that can more effectively treat your son. Time is of the > essence - > > appointments can take some time, the MRI takes some time, so it's > essential > > that you get through that as quickly as possible so that he can be > > monitored. > > Sandi > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Ditto what said. You want to find someone who specializes in infantile scoliosis and they are hard to find. I would contact Dr. in Rochester if I was you. Yes, the first step would be to find out if he is idiopathic versus congenital, so you will want to have the MRI done. They also need to rule out a tethered spinal cord. Noelle (12-2-01) Ian (8-15-04) Re: Looking for more information/experiences He has not had an MRI. Why would he need an MRI? We are in New York City and were seen at the Hospital for Special Surgery at Cornell. I thought they were one of the best?? Do you know of any doctors in NYC? > > My son was 10 months when he was diagnosed, which is very late. > Do not wait and see. Has your son had an MRI yet? He needs that first, > then he needs to be seen by a surgeon who has been properly trained and has > the pediatric AMIL frame to not only apply a cast, but to be able to > manipulate the spine so that it de-rotates. I cannot stress how important > it is to have someone who has been properly trained. This is a rare > condition and not many doctors are familiar with it. Please let me know > where you are located and we'll help you get in touch with the closest > doctor that can more effectively treat your son. Time is of the essence - > appointments can take some time, the MRI takes some time, so it's essential > that you get through that as quickly as possible so that he can be > monitored. > Sandi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 You can read my son, Evan's story on www.infantilescoliosis.org. He was diagnosed when he was just 2.5 months old. Evan hated to be on his tummy as well. He had torticollis too. Good luck w/your decision...Have you ordered the DVD. A new direction from ISOP? It might help explain early treatment somewhat. HTH and Evan lmariewilson wrote: Our son is 4.5 months and was just diagnosed with idiopathic infantile scoliosis. His curve is on the left side and right now its at 20 degrees. The doctor said we just have to wait and see how it progresses. From what I have read thus far, he is on the cusp as to whether it will resolve on its own or get progressively worse. Our follow-up appointment is in 4 months. In the meantime, I am looking for more information/experiences - is 4 months a long time to wait (considering he's only about 4 months now), how old was your child when they were diagnosed, what was the degree, prognosis, treatment, etc.?? Did anything else develop as a result of the scoliosis? He does not like being on his tummy - he screams every single time - and I am wondering if there is any connection? Any information would be greatly appreciated. LWO --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 He prob assmes it is idiopathic (no known cause), he cannot rule out any abnormalities w/o the MRI. Most cases of infantile scoli are idiopathic, but not all (obviously), it's just the norm. Congenital scoli cannot be treated by early treatment, it can aide until surgery is necessary, but once an MRI rules out any congenital abnormality, you can figure out your plan of care. If it were congenital, it would be like Sandi said, surgery to deal w/ a tethered cord, etc.. lmariewilson wrote: My son is 4.5 months old and he is at 19.7 degrees. The doctor said it was idiopathic. > > > > My son was 10 months when he was diagnosed, which is very late. > > Do not wait and see. Has your son had an MRI yet? He needs that > first, > > then he needs to be seen by a surgeon who has been properly trained > and has > > the pediatric AMIL frame to not only apply a cast, but to be able to > > manipulate the spine so that it de-rotates. I cannot stress how > important > > it is to have someone who has been properly trained. This is a rare > > condition and not many doctors are familiar with it. Please let me > know > > where you are located and we'll help you get in touch with the > closest > > doctor that can more effectively treat your son. Time is of the > essence - > > appointments can take some time, the MRI takes some time, so it's > essential > > that you get through that as quickly as possible so that he can be > > monitored. > > Sandi > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 I would get to Rochester and see Dr. ASAP. He's one of the physicians who has been doing this the longest. He will know exactly what to do and what to look for. S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 There are certain things such as a tethered spinal cord than can cause a spine to curve that cannot be seen on a regular x-ray. If something like a tethered spinal cord is left untreated, it can cause permanent damage. He really needs an MRI to say for absolute certainty that he is idiopathic. Noelle (12-2-01) Ian (8-15-04) Re: Looking for more information/experiences My son is 4.5 months old and he is at 19.7 degrees. The doctor said it was idiopathic. > > > > My son was 10 months when he was diagnosed, which is very late. > > Do not wait and see. Has your son had an MRI yet? He needs that > first, > > then he needs to be seen by a surgeon who has been properly trained > and has > > the pediatric AMIL frame to not only apply a cast, but to be able to > > manipulate the spine so that it de-rotates. I cannot stress how > important > > it is to have someone who has been properly trained. This is a rare > > condition and not many doctors are familiar with it. Please let me > know > > where you are located and we'll help you get in touch with the > closest > > doctor that can more effectively treat your son. Time is of the > essence - > > appointments can take some time, the MRI takes some time, so it's > essential > > that you get through that as quickly as possible so that he can be > > monitored. > > Sandi > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 As I said in my first post my son has Chiari malformation which was found when they did the MRI. They originally did the MRI because they thought he had a tethered spinal cord. The Chiari can be connected to scoiliosis and he had to have brain surgery before they could cast to make sure the casting would no affect the malformation. I would not waste any time in getting it scheduled it usually takes a while to get the MRI scheduled due to they have to be put under anesthesia. Rochelle mom to Devyn > > > > My son was 10 months when he was diagnosed, which is very late. > > Do not wait and see. Has your son had an MRI yet? He needs that > first, > > then he needs to be seen by a surgeon who has been properly trained > and has > > the pediatric AMIL frame to not only apply a cast, but to be able to > > manipulate the spine so that it de-rotates. I cannot stress how > important > > it is to have someone who has been properly trained. This is a rare > > condition and not many doctors are familiar with it. Please let me > know > > where you are located and we'll help you get in touch with the > closest > > doctor that can more effectively treat your son. Time is of the > essence - > > appointments can take some time, the MRI takes some time, so it's > essential > > that you get through that as quickly as possible so that he can be > > monitored. > > Sandi > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 I have to agree that HSS is a great orthopedic hospital BUT they do NOT specialize in infantile scoliosis. My son was diagnosed very young and saw a doctor from HSS from before his second birthday until her was five an a half (a total of almost 4 years). She was very traditional and conventional, did NOT think outside the box - and while the brace she had him in held his curve, that was all she could offer. (In case you're wondering, my son ended up having vertebral body stapling at Shriners Hospital in Philadelphia when he was five and a half and is doing very well). My point is that I could tell right away when we went to Shriners that they routinely saw younger kids, not just the typical scoliosis patient but the more challenging cases. The team in Philly is great and by the way, I learned recently that they do in fact have the proper frame for casting. But no matter where you decide to go, I would just be sure to find a doctor who routinely sees infants and very young children. Good luck! > > > > My son was 10 months when he was diagnosed, which is very late. > > Do not wait and see. Has your son had an MRI yet? He needs that > first, > > then he needs to be seen by a surgeon who has been properly trained > and has > > the pediatric AMIL frame to not only apply a cast, but to be able to > > manipulate the spine so that it de-rotates. I cannot stress how > important > > it is to have someone who has been properly trained. This is a rare > > condition and not many doctors are familiar with it. Please let me > know > > where you are located and we'll help you get in touch with the > closest > > doctor that can more effectively treat your son. Time is of the > essence - > > appointments can take some time, the MRI takes some time, so it's > essential > > that you get through that as quickly as possible so that he can be > > monitored. > > Sandi > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Hello, Did your doctor give you his RVAD measurement? That is the best indication as to whether or not his curve will progress. > > > > > > My son was 10 months when he was diagnosed, which is very late. > > > Do not wait and see. Has your son had an MRI yet? He needs that > > first, > > > then he needs to be seen by a surgeon who has been properly > trained > > and has > > > the pediatric AMIL frame to not only apply a cast, but to be able > to > > > manipulate the spine so that it de-rotates. I cannot stress how > > important > > > it is to have someone who has been properly trained. This is a > rare > > > condition and not many doctors are familiar with it. Please let > me > > know > > > where you are located and we'll help you get in touch with the > > closest > > > doctor that can more effectively treat your son. Time is of the > > essence - > > > appointments can take some time, the MRI takes some time, so it's > > essential > > > that you get through that as quickly as possible so that he can be > > > monitored. > > > Sandi > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 You have a lot of great advise. My son was also 4 months when he was diagnosed with a 24 degree curve. We were also told to wait and see and decided to seek a second opinion. Yes, 20 degrees if a cusp as to whether it will resolve on its own or not, but you have to weigh this out. We decided to seek numerous other docs. Max also hated to be on his tummy screaming liek mad. I know have a 5 week old son who does not mind being on his belly for short periods (a big difference from when Max was his age). Is it related to scoliosis, possibly? My recommendation: seek a second opinion especially with a Mehta trained doctor-where do you live? Aekta > > Our son is 4.5 months and was just diagnosed with idiopathic infantile > scoliosis. His curve is on the left side and right now its at 20 > degrees. The doctor said we just have to wait and see how it > progresses. From what I have read thus far, he is on the cusp as to > whether it will resolve on its own or get progressively worse. > > Our follow-up appointment is in 4 months. In the meantime, I am looking > for more information/experiences - is 4 months a long time to wait > (considering he's only about 4 months now), how old was your child when > they were diagnosed, what was the degree, prognosis, treatment, etc.?? > Did anything else develop as a result of the scoliosis? He does not > like being on his tummy - he screams every single time - and I am > wondering if there is any connection? > > Any information would be greatly appreciated. > > LWO > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 We are in New York City. What happened with your son? Did it resolve on its own, or did he have any treatments? How long did you wait to get a second opinion? Did your son have an MRI? > > > > Our son is 4.5 months and was just diagnosed with idiopathic > infantile > > scoliosis. His curve is on the left side and right now its at 20 > > degrees. The doctor said we just have to wait and see how it > > progresses. From what I have read thus far, he is on the cusp as > to > > whether it will resolve on its own or get progressively worse. > > > > Our follow-up appointment is in 4 months. In the meantime, I am > looking > > for more information/experiences - is 4 months a long time to wait > > (considering he's only about 4 months now), how old was your child > when > > they were diagnosed, what was the degree, prognosis, treatment, > etc.?? > > Did anything else develop as a result of the scoliosis? He does > not > > like being on his tummy - he screams every single time - and I am > > wondering if there is any connection? > > > > Any information would be greatly appreciated. > > > > LWO > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Thanks for the advice. Glad to hear your son is doing well. Just a few follow-up questions. Are you also in NYC? Who did you see at HHS? I am curious. Also, who did you see in Philadelphia? > > > > > > My son was 10 months when he was diagnosed, which is very late. > > > Do not wait and see. Has your son had an MRI yet? He needs that > > first, > > > then he needs to be seen by a surgeon who has been properly > trained > > and has > > > the pediatric AMIL frame to not only apply a cast, but to be able > to > > > manipulate the spine so that it de-rotates. I cannot stress how > > important > > > it is to have someone who has been properly trained. This is a > rare > > > condition and not many doctors are familiar with it. Please let > me > > know > > > where you are located and we'll help you get in touch with the > > closest > > > doctor that can more effectively treat your son. Time is of the > > essence - > > > appointments can take some time, the MRI takes some time, so it's > > essential > > > that you get through that as quickly as possible so that he can be > > > monitored. > > > Sandi > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Max is currently in his 9th cast and 2 1/2 years old. First casted at 13 months. We went for a second, third & fourth opinion. Each doctor giving us different treatment recommendations. Max was braced at 6 months and the curve doubled to 54 degrees in brace wearing it 20 hours/day. They then wanted to do surgery at 13 months. This took us to the third & fourth opinion. Doctor #4 (current doctor)wanted to try casting. He wanted to try all options before putting Max under major surgery at such a young age. Max's curve is in the lumbar region which is more difficult to correct with casting. It appears that the thoracic curves respond best to casting. I may be wrong on this, but this is based on the stories of those children who have achieved correction. Max will unfortunately undergo the VEPTR surgery on 3/4/08. We know we have tried everything to prevent/delay surgery, but the odds are against us. The doctors that have casted Max include Dr. Sturm of Shriners Chicago, Dr. (at the time he was at Shriners Erie, currently in Rochester I believe?) and Miss Mehta. None of the casts held after 4 weeks.Casting is not the the answer for every child, but it is absolutely worth trying (you have nothing to lose. Yes, Max did have an MRI right away to determine whether it was congenital. Max does not have congenital scolsios, his is idiopathic from what we know. Max will have genetic testing to determine if he has a connetive tissue disorder such as Marfan's Syndrome during his hospital stay for his surgery. I hope this helps. Aekta > > > > > > Our son is 4.5 months and was just diagnosed with idiopathic > > infantile > > > scoliosis. His curve is on the left side and right now its at 20 > > > degrees. The doctor said we just have to wait and see how it > > > progresses. From what I have read thus far, he is on the cusp as > > to > > > whether it will resolve on its own or get progressively worse. > > > > > > Our follow-up appointment is in 4 months. In the meantime, I am > > looking > > > for more information/experiences - is 4 months a long time to > wait > > > (considering he's only about 4 months now), how old was your > child > > when > > > they were diagnosed, what was the degree, prognosis, treatment, > > etc.?? > > > Did anything else develop as a result of the scoliosis? He does > > not > > > like being on his tummy - he screams every single time - and I am > > > wondering if there is any connection? > > > > > > Any information would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > LWO > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Hi, Glad to answer any questions. Yes, we live in Queens, NY. The doctor who treated my son for nearly 4 years was Dr. Kathleen Raggio of HSS (we saw her at her LI office). I think she was very good for " typical " scoliosis cases. A lot of her patients were just that - older kids, particularly teenage girls. I understand she's a very good surgeon. However, as I mentioned earlier, she wasn't innovative and all she could offer for a younger child was " brace and hope for the best " . And if that doesn't work, her next option was growing rods. When I found out about stapling (VBS) and brought it to her attention back in 2003, she wasn't for it. However, when I pushed her as to why, the only negative thing she could say was that it was not yet proven. So, I sought out Dr. Betz and never regretted that decision. Shriners is SO much better suited to treat the more complex and less typical scoli cases that Dr. Raggio was. Changing doctors, and treatment methods, was the best thing we ever did. While none of us knows what the future will bring, is nearly 4 years post-op and since he's a 4th grader now, it is a blessing that he doesn't have to wear that dreaded brace to school If it can help just one person, there is a great team of doctors at Shriners in Philadelphia. In addition to Dr. Betz, a lot of folks I know see Dr. Asghar (I would not be surprised if we hear his name a lot more in the future - he could be the next " Dr. Betz " in my opinion). I learned recently that Dr. Asghar also does casting, was trained by Dr. Mehta and has the proper pediatric frame. Considering that he perfoms VBS and casting, I think it is safe to say that he's an innovative doctor who wants to offer his patients more than bracing or the " wait and see " approach. Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > My son was 10 months when he was diagnosed, which is very late. > > > > Do not wait and see. Has your son had an MRI yet? He needs that > > > first, > > > > then he needs to be seen by a surgeon who has been properly > > trained > > > and has > > > > the pediatric AMIL frame to not only apply a cast, but to be > able > > to > > > > manipulate the spine so that it de-rotates. I cannot stress how > > > important > > > > it is to have someone who has been properly trained. This is a > > rare > > > > condition and not many doctors are familiar with it. Please let > > me > > > know > > > > where you are located and we'll help you get in touch with the > > > closest > > > > doctor that can more effectively treat your son. Time is of the > > > essence - > > > > appointments can take some time, the MRI takes some time, so > it's > > > essential > > > > that you get through that as quickly as possible so that he can > be > > > > monitored. > > > > Sandi > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Thank you for sharing. I need to call our doctor tomorrow and find out more information about his curve. I dont think it is worthwhile to see another doctor immediately. They probably wont have any more answers that our current doctor. I will not agree to wait 4 months for another check - I think 1 or 2 months would be better. I will also ask her why she did not suggest an MRI (she diagnosed him with idiopathic scoliosis based on her exam and the xray). Thanks again. > > > > > > > > > > My son was 10 months when he was diagnosed, which is very > late. > > > > > Do not wait and see. Has your son had an MRI yet? He needs > that > > > > first, > > > > > then he needs to be seen by a surgeon who has been properly > > > trained > > > > and has > > > > > the pediatric AMIL frame to not only apply a cast, but to be > > able > > > to > > > > > manipulate the spine so that it de-rotates. I cannot stress > how > > > > important > > > > > it is to have someone who has been properly trained. This is > a > > > rare > > > > > condition and not many doctors are familiar with it. Please > let > > > me > > > > know > > > > > where you are located and we'll help you get in touch with > the > > > > closest > > > > > doctor that can more effectively treat your son. Time is of > the > > > > essence - > > > > > appointments can take some time, the MRI takes some time, so > > it's > > > > essential > > > > > that you get through that as quickly as possible so that he > can > > be > > > > > monitored. > > > > > Sandi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Did the doctors give you any suggestions for what to do inbetween treatments? How to hold Max or exercises? I am sorry to hear the treatments did not work and he needs surgery. But I wish you all the best. > > > > > > > > Our son is 4.5 months and was just diagnosed with idiopathic > > > infantile > > > > scoliosis. His curve is on the left side and right now its at > 20 > > > > degrees. The doctor said we just have to wait and see how it > > > > progresses. From what I have read thus far, he is on the cusp > as > > > to > > > > whether it will resolve on its own or get progressively worse. > > > > > > > > Our follow-up appointment is in 4 months. In the meantime, I > am > > > looking > > > > for more information/experiences - is 4 months a long time to > > wait > > > > (considering he's only about 4 months now), how old was your > > child > > > when > > > > they were diagnosed, what was the degree, prognosis, > treatment, > > > etc.?? > > > > Did anything else develop as a result of the scoliosis? He > does > > > not > > > > like being on his tummy - he screams every single time - and I > am > > > > wondering if there is any connection? > > > > > > > > Any information would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > LWO > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 I am pretty new to all of this, but from what I have read there are a number of prognostic indicators that help to predict the course of IS. A low RVAD score (< 25*) is one of the best predictors so that would be good information to have. Other predictors of a good outcome are male gender, curve to the left, under 1 year of age at diagnosis, a curve less than 30 degrees, lack of an obvious hump, and low rotation. I also read that curves over 20 degrees warrant an MRI to rule out neurological problems. IS has an 85% natural remission rate, so that is why it is important to look at other information that could help with the prediction of resolving versus progressive. Perhaps your doctor is going by the facts that your son is very young with a relatively small curve at this point. The first doctor we saw also told us to wait 4 months for a follow-up xray, but when we saw Dr. Khoury yesterday he suggested waiting only 6 weeks for a follow-up xray. I personally would have a hard time waiting for 4 months since so much can happen in that time! I am curious how you discovered the curve in your 4.5 month old son? Was the xray taken while he has " standing " or lying down (they should be taken lying down, but xrays in little ones are often taken the wrong way (standing and holding their arms over their heads) Perhaps you could email your xrays to an expert in IS? That is what we did with Dr. Khoury (via ) and he got back to us that same day even though Holly wasn't his patient at that point. Also, keep in mind that a lot of babies do not like tummy time at first. In what position does your son sleep? By the way, I asked Dr. Khoury specifically about the swing sleeping and he said that it has been suggested that a genetic predisposition combined with certain prolonged sleeping positions (swing, carseat, swaddling and then sleeping on only one side of the ribs) could " cause " IS. (he didn't use the word " cause " , I just can't remember exactly how he put it). He said that " lack of mobility " is not good for the developing spine. Good luck _____ From: infantile_scoliosis [mailto:infantile_scoliosis ] On Behalf Of lmariewilson Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:34 AM To: infantile_scoliosis Subject: Looking for more information/experiences Our son is 4.5 months and was just diagnosed with idiopathic infantile scoliosis. His curve is on the left side and right now its at 20 degrees. The doctor said we just have to wait and see how it progresses. From what I have read thus far, he is on the cusp as to whether it will resolve on its own or get progressively worse. Our follow-up appointment is in 4 months. In the meantime, I am looking for more information/experiences - is 4 months a long time to wait (considering he's only about 4 months now), how old was your child when they were diagnosed, what was the degree, prognosis, treatment, etc.?? Did anything else develop as a result of the scoliosis? He does not like being on his tummy - he screams every single time - and I am wondering if there is any connection? Any information would be greatly appreciated. LWO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 We are seeking a second and third opinion. In the meantime, we spoke with our doctor and found out some more information. The Cobb angle is 19.7 and the RVAD is 17.8. The curve is thoracolumbar and its to the left. She advised against getting an MRI at this point because she felt it would do more harm to our son and at this point, the only treatment is to wait and see. I would not want to put him through an MRI just to quell our fears. I have to put my faith in our doctor, seek second and third opinions and hope and pray that he fits within the majority that resolve on their own. > > > > > > I am pretty new to all of this, but from what I have read there are a number > of prognostic indicators that help to predict the course of IS. A low RVAD > score (< 25*) is one of the best predictors so that would be good > information to have. Other predictors of a good outcome are male gender, > curve to the left, under 1 year of age at diagnosis, a curve less than 30 > degrees, lack of an obvious hump, and low rotation. I also read that curves > over 20 degrees warrant an MRI to rule out neurological problems. IS has an > 85% natural remission rate, so that is why it is important to look at other > information that could help with the prediction of resolving versus > progressive. > > > > Perhaps your doctor is going by the facts that your son is very young with a > relatively small curve at this point. The first doctor we saw also told us > to wait 4 months for a follow-up xray, but when we saw Dr. Khoury yesterday > he suggested waiting only 6 weeks for a follow-up xray. I personally would > have a hard time waiting for 4 months since so much can happen in that time! > > > > > > I am curious how you discovered the curve in your 4.5 month old son? Was > the xray taken while he has " standing " or lying down (they should be taken > lying down, but xrays in little ones are often taken the wrong way (standing > and holding their arms over their heads) > > > > Perhaps you could email your xrays to an expert in IS? That is what we did > with Dr. Khoury (via ) and he got back to us that same day even though > Holly wasn't his patient at that point. > > > > Also, keep in mind that a lot of babies do not like tummy time at first. > > > > In what position does your son sleep? > > By the way, I asked Dr. Khoury specifically about the swing sleeping and he > said that it has been suggested that a genetic predisposition combined with > certain prolonged sleeping positions (swing, carseat, swaddling and then > sleeping on only one side of the ribs) could " cause " IS. (he didn't use the > word " cause " , I just can't remember exactly how he put it). He said that > " lack of mobility " is not good for the developing spine. > > > > Good luck > > > > > > > > _____ > > From: infantile_scoliosis > [mailto:infantile_scoliosis ] On Behalf Of lmariewilson > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:34 AM > To: infantile_scoliosis > Subject: Looking for more information/experiences > > > > Our son is 4.5 months and was just diagnosed with idiopathic infantile > scoliosis. His curve is on the left side and right now its at 20 > degrees. The doctor said we just have to wait and see how it > progresses. From what I have read thus far, he is on the cusp as to > whether it will resolve on its own or get progressively worse. > > Our follow-up appointment is in 4 months. In the meantime, I am looking > for more information/experiences - is 4 months a long time to wait > (considering he's only about 4 months now), how old was your child when > they were diagnosed, what was the degree, prognosis, treatment, etc.?? > Did anything else develop as a result of the scoliosis? He does not > like being on his tummy - he screams every single time - and I am > wondering if there is any connection? > > Any information would be greatly appreciated. > > LWO > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 One more follow-up note. Our son's curve was found by his allergist. He had an allergic reaction a few weeks ago. The allergist examined his back and found that the left side was bigger than the other. Our pediatrician could not determine whether it was positional, muscular or his spine. Turns out, she has never seen infantile scoliosis in her 11 years of practice - which was upsetting to hear. In any event, we then met with the pediatric orthapedist who checked his hips when he was first born (he was breach). The xrays were taken while he was lying down, surrounded by foam. Our son sleeps on his back. We swaddled him when he was firt born, but he quickly learned to kick himself out, so that only lasted about a month. We live in the city and do not drive, so he is not in the carseat all that often. However, he is in the stroller quite a bit. Not sure if that is considered the same thing. > > > > > > I am pretty new to all of this, but from what I have read there are a number > of prognostic indicators that help to predict the course of IS. A low RVAD > score (< 25*) is one of the best predictors so that would be good > information to have. Other predictors of a good outcome are male gender, > curve to the left, under 1 year of age at diagnosis, a curve less than 30 > degrees, lack of an obvious hump, and low rotation. I also read that curves > over 20 degrees warrant an MRI to rule out neurological problems. IS has an > 85% natural remission rate, so that is why it is important to look at other > information that could help with the prediction of resolving versus > progressive. > > > > Perhaps your doctor is going by the facts that your son is very young with a > relatively small curve at this point. The first doctor we saw also told us > to wait 4 months for a follow-up xray, but when we saw Dr. Khoury yesterday > he suggested waiting only 6 weeks for a follow-up xray. I personally would > have a hard time waiting for 4 months since so much can happen in that time! > > > > > > I am curious how you discovered the curve in your 4.5 month old son? Was > the xray taken while he has " standing " or lying down (they should be taken > lying down, but xrays in little ones are often taken the wrong way (standing > and holding their arms over their heads) > > > > Perhaps you could email your xrays to an expert in IS? That is what we did > with Dr. Khoury (via ) and he got back to us that same day even though > Holly wasn't his patient at that point. > > > > Also, keep in mind that a lot of babies do not like tummy time at first. > > > > In what position does your son sleep? > > By the way, I asked Dr. Khoury specifically about the swing sleeping and he > said that it has been suggested that a genetic predisposition combined with > certain prolonged sleeping positions (swing, carseat, swaddling and then > sleeping on only one side of the ribs) could " cause " IS. (he didn't use the > word " cause " , I just can't remember exactly how he put it). He said that > " lack of mobility " is not good for the developing spine. > > > > Good luck > > > > > > > > _____ > > From: infantile_scoliosis > [mailto:infantile_scoliosis ] On Behalf Of lmariewilson > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:34 AM > To: infantile_scoliosis > Subject: Looking for more information/experiences > > > > Our son is 4.5 months and was just diagnosed with idiopathic infantile > scoliosis. His curve is on the left side and right now its at 20 > degrees. The doctor said we just have to wait and see how it > progresses. From what I have read thus far, he is on the cusp as to > whether it will resolve on its own or get progressively worse. > > Our follow-up appointment is in 4 months. In the meantime, I am looking > for more information/experiences - is 4 months a long time to wait > (considering he's only about 4 months now), how old was your child when > they were diagnosed, what was the degree, prognosis, treatment, etc.?? > Did anything else develop as a result of the scoliosis? He does not > like being on his tummy - he screams every single time - and I am > wondering if there is any connection? > > Any information would be greatly appreciated. > > LWO > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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