Guest guest Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Well, since you asked... I am on my 3rd month of a cleanse system. First time ever for me and very effective. I am recommending it. Read up on the options. There are others to choose from. I liked this one, Colonix, as I didn't have to change my BFL eating or lifestyle to get results. I continue to drink LOTS of water all through the day too. http://www.drnatura.com/?ovchn=GGL & ovcpn=Google & ovcrn=colonix & ovtac=PPC Sorry. I know it's not a topic we discuss much. Best Wishes M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 > anyone have any ideas. Post a typical days food choices .. The scale lies and if you are using a Tanita or bioelectrical scale for bodyfat measurement then they cab be quite off at times because of dehydration etc. and bodyfat measurements by the pinch caliper method should be performed by the same person, same places etc for any value too. So dont freak out about your recent perceived 'growth' it may all be marginal or even an error. However, if you really are not losing weight/inches, its because you are not making a *consistant* caloric deficit: http://www.hussmanfitness.org/html/TSCalDeficits.htm joni ------------------------------------------------ *Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Thanks for your help. guess what!! ... yesterday Morning and this morning Im 170.6 )) so I had 3lbs of water holding??? weird.. meal example 1400cal Meal 1 4 oz apple 1 oz sliced lean turkey (deli style) 1 slice American cheese – counts as 1 meat and 1 fat ½ wheat/whole grain English muffin – to make breakfast sandwich 1 oz slice avocado 1 – 6oz Yoplait light fruit yogurt 12 oz Water Meal 2 2.5 oz banana ½ cup NON FAT cottage cheese 5 walnut halves 12 oz Water Meal 3 4 oz grilled boneless/skinless chicken breast or Lean sirloin or grilled halibut/tilapia 1/3 cup brown rice 1 cup steamed green beans 1 oz avocado – used on meat ¼ cup salsa can be use for flavor 12 oz Water Meal 4 2 oz grilled boneless/skinless chicken breast or Lean sirloin or grilled halibut/tilapia 2 cup fresh baby spinach 2 tbsp REDUCED FAT dressing 12 oz Water Meal 5 3 oz grilled halibut or talapia 1 cup steamed green beans 1 tsp flavored olive oil – " painted " on halibut before baking 6 almonds shaved and used on halibut before baking 12 oz Water Meal 6 2 oz LEAN turkey breast 2 tsp peanut butter 12 oz Water > > I'm into week 3 of my challenge (#2) anyways...I have not been > loosing anything. I started at August 19 with 175lbs and on 8/31/06 I > was 172.4 then I went up to 173 and this morning I woke up Im 173.8. > > also my bf% is going up Im up to 43% now. I had my thyroid checked > and it came back 2.0. my doc said all bloodwork was ok. > > my mid section is getting bigger also im 'swelling' up. > > anyone have any ideas. > > Thanks. > > Terri > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Easy. You¹re eating too much unless you have gargantuan hands. Meal One you have three carbs, fat in cheese and avocado. Drop the two carbs the avocado and the cheese and bump up the turkey a little. Meal Two drop the walnuts. Meal Three drop the avocado Meal Four throw out the spinach if you haven¹t already. It¹s a threat for e coli right now and get some other greens. Meal Five lose the almonds and flavor the halibut with a lemon pepper spice or fresh lemon and fresh pepper or some other spice combination. Meal Six lose the peanut butter and find a carb like maybe the yogurt from breakfast. Quit measuring by ounces and measure by your hand or fist like the book says and you¹ll see some results. > Thanks for your help. guess what!! ... yesterday Morning and this > morning Im 170.6 )) so I had 3lbs of water holding??? weird.. > > meal example 1400cal > > Meal 1 > 4 oz apple > 1 oz sliced lean turkey (deli style) > 1 slice American cheese – counts as 1 meat and 1 fat > ½ wheat/whole grain English muffin – to make breakfast sandwich > 1 oz slice avocado > 1 – 6oz Yoplait light fruit yogurt > 12 oz Water > > Meal 2 > 2.5 oz banana > ½ cup NON FAT cottage cheese > 5 walnut halves > 12 oz Water > > Meal 3 > 4 oz grilled boneless/skinless chicken breast or Lean sirloin or > grilled halibut/tilapia > 1/3 cup brown rice > 1 cup steamed green beans > 1 oz avocado – used on meat > ¼ cup salsa can be use for flavor > 12 oz Water > > Meal 4 > 2 oz grilled boneless/skinless chicken breast or Lean sirloin or > grilled halibut/tilapia > 2 cup fresh baby spinach > 2 tbsp REDUCED FAT dressing > 12 oz Water > > Meal 5 > 3 oz grilled halibut or talapia > 1 cup steamed green beans > 1 tsp flavored olive oil – " painted " on halibut before baking > 6 almonds shaved and used on halibut before baking > 12 oz Water > > Meal 6 > 2 oz LEAN turkey breast > 2 tsp peanut butter > 12 oz Water > > >> > >> > I'm into week 3 of my challenge (#2) anyways...I have not been >> > loosing anything. I started at August 19 with 175lbs and on > 8/31/06 I >> > was 172.4 then I went up to 173 and this morning I woke up Im > 173.8. >> > >> > also my bf% is going up Im up to 43% now. I had my thyroid > checked >> > and it came back 2.0. my doc said all bloodwork was ok. >> > >> > my mid section is getting bigger also im 'swelling' up. >> > >> > anyone have any ideas. >> > >> > Thanks. >> > >> > Terri >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 > Easy. You¹re eating too much unless you have gargantuan hands. > Quit measuring by ounces and measure by your hand or fist like > the book says and you¹ll see some results. I think thats a little harsh as 2-3oz is about what a meat/fish portion usually works out to calorie wise no matter who's palm/fist you are looking at unless you're some 6ft7in male with baseball mitts for hands! To me her meals are basically ok except she doesnt have a whole lot of choice of vegetables nor grains. Variety is key when limiting choices - eating the same thing day in and day out - can cause you go balistic on a binge at some point. The 'palm/fist' thing is a guideline not like its a must do to see results - portion control is what its meant for and she has obviously has that in her meal plans. > Meal One you have three carbs, fat in cheese and avocado. > Drop the two carbs the avocado and the cheese and bump up > the turkey a little. While I think having extra protien is always good, she would be better off having some tried and true oatmeal at this meal. Oatmeal is shown to lower cholesterol and the fiber in it helps 'sop up' your bodyfat as it breaks down rather than making a homestyle breakfast sandwich. Yes she has a yogurt/apple which are two carbs but I think she was thinking the english muffin half wasnt enough carbs at this meal. Drop those, have the other half of the muffin, and add another oz or so of meat if you really want to keep the sandwich. > Meal Two drop the walnuts > Meal Three drop the avocado Why? These are both GOOD fats and not overly used in her meals. 1 OZ (thats OUNCE) of an avocado is about 45 calories and 4.5grams good fats (not saturated) and 5 walnut HALVES are about 66 calories with about 6 grams of fat which is perfectly ok at any meal. (see http://www.calorieking.com for info) > Meal Four throw out the spinach if you haven¹t already. > It¹s a threat for e coli right now and get some other greens. That was only in the Earth Naturals Brand, which they have pulled from the market, and it was only in eight states. Keep up on the news and you can continue to eat spinach in your salad ;-) > Meal Five lose the almonds and flavor the halibut with a > lemon pepper spice or fresh lemon and fresh pepper or some other > spice combination. She says she 'paints' it with flavored olive oil, and the almonds are like flavor decoration and besides are another good source of good fats. Again (depending on what kind she is using) is only about 46 additional calories with about 5 grams fat. Big deal. > Meal Six lose the peanut butter and find a carb like maybe > the yogurt from breakfast. Eh, not that bad, but she could have the apple instead of the yogurt with it and dip it in one tsp peanutbutter instead to make a better combo. Peanutbutter (depending on what kind) has some saturated fats in it along with added sugar. All in all I think she is on the right track and is very careful about her choices. Adding in somemore fiber sources is about the only thing I can see that she is missing. Remeber if its not the nutrtional part thats lacking, then its time to look at your exercise - bump up the intensity and or time spent to make that consistant caloric deficit. joni ----------------------------------------------- *Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 On 9/17/06 11:04 AM, " jgrrl2 " <no_reply > wrote: > I think thats a little harsh as 2-3oz is about what a meat/fish > portion usually works out to calorie wise no matter who's palm/fist > you are looking at unless you're some 6ft7in male with baseball > mitts for hands! To me her meals are basically ok except she doesnt > have a whole lot of choice of vegetables nor grains. Variety is key > when limiting choices - eating the same thing day in and day out - > can cause you go balistic on a binge at some point. The 'palm/fist' > thing is a guideline not like its a must do to see results - portion > control is what its meant for and she has obviously has that in her > meal plans. > > She¹s not seeing results. I don¹t see that as any harsher than reality. > > >> > Meal Two drop the walnuts >> > Meal Three drop the avocado > > Why? These are both GOOD fats and not overly used in her meals. > 1 OZ (thats OUNCE) of an avocado is about 45 calories and 4.5grams > good fats (not saturated) and 5 walnut HALVES are about 66 calories > with about 6 grams of fat which is perfectly ok at any meal. > (see http://www.calorieking.com for info) > > If I wanted to get things going, I would not add any fats. It slows down > progress. > >> > Meal Four throw out the spinach if you haven¹t already. >> > It¹s a threat for e coli right now and get some other greens. > > That was only in the Earth Naturals Brand, which they have pulled > from the market, and it was only in eight states. Keep up on the > news and you can continue to eat spinach in your salad ;-) > > Actually not. > > There are currently 94 cases of e. coli in 19 States. Additionally there were > something like 8 or 9 different brand names that the spinach was being sold > under. Here¹s the FDA warning: > http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2006/NEW01452.html > > I¹d say I¹m up on the news. > >> > Meal Five lose the almonds and flavor the halibut with a >> > lemon pepper spice or fresh lemon and fresh pepper or some other >> > spice combination. > > She says she 'paints' it with flavored olive oil, and the almonds > are like flavor decoration and besides are another good source of > good fats. Again (depending on what kind she is using) is only about > 46 additional calories with about 5 grams fat. Big deal. > > If she keeps adding fats, she shouldn¹t complain about the lack of results. > >> > Meal Six lose the peanut butter and find a carb like maybe >> > the yogurt from breakfast. > > Eh, not that bad, but she could have the apple instead of the yogurt > with it and dip it in one tsp peanutbutter instead to make a better > combo. Peanutbutter (depending on what kind) has some saturated fats > in it along with added sugar. > > Peanut butter isn¹t even an authorized food. If she¹s doing a challenge and > wants results, she needs to lose the extra fats. If she¹s where she wants to > be and is just maintaining, they¹re fine. > > All in all I think she is on the right track and is very careful > about her choices. Adding in somemore fiber sources is about the > only thing I can see that she is missing. Remeber if its not the > nutrtional part thats lacking, then its time to look at your > exercise - bump up the intensity and or time spent to make that > consistant caloric deficit. > > joni > ----------------------------------------------- > *Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long* > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 > If I wanted to get things going, I would not add any fats. > It slows down progress. This is old school lowfat thinking. People went on socalled 'lowfat diets' and got fatter. The EFA's and DHA's she is getting from real food sources (instead of supplementing with like UDOs etc) is totally ok and will not slow down anything, in fact good fats help the body to release the stored bodyfats thereby actually speeding up ones metabolism. Again note she posted she lost 3lbs since her last post ... > There are currently 94 cases of e. coli in 19 States. > Additionally there were something like 8 or 9 different brand > names that the spinach was being sold under. My bad .. but I still ate a homemade spinach salad yesterday and havent killed myself yet. ;-) Personal choice here and certainly not espousing it for everyone to ignore the FDA's 'warning', but e coli on foods is nothing new, you play russian roullette with all foods that 'could be' contaminated by manure and or human handling. Farmers are now losing over 1 million $ per day because of this 'investigation' which will come up with basically nothing. Sure this is widescale (only because everyone is reporting every bout of diarrea they have in the last week! ecoli contamination happens ALL the time, not only when they make an effort to track it, check the yearly stats on it) but I think the FDA is just trying to make itself look good (it has to make up its image in the defacing it had from approving Vioxx and such as 'safe' medications that its been paid to endorse) Eh can of worms .. much too debate for this forum ... joni > > > > She says she 'paints' it with flavored olive oil, and the almonds > > are like flavor decoration and besides are another good source of > > good fats. Again (depending on what kind she is using) is only about > > 46 additional calories with about 5 grams fat. Big deal. > > > > If she keeps adding fats, she shouldn¹t complain about the lack of results. > > > >> > Meal Six lose the peanut butter and find a carb like maybe > >> > the yogurt from breakfast. > > > > Eh, not that bad, but she could have the apple instead of the yogurt > > with it and dip it in one tsp peanutbutter instead to make a better > > combo. Peanutbutter (depending on what kind) has some saturated fats > > in it along with added sugar. > > > > Peanut butter isn¹t even an authorized food. If she¹s doing a challenge and > > wants results, she needs to lose the extra fats. If she¹s where she wants to > > be and is just maintaining, they¹re fine. > > > > All in all I think she is on the right track and is very careful > > about her choices. Adding in somemore fiber sources is about the > > only thing I can see that she is missing. Remeber if its not the > > nutrtional part thats lacking, then its time to look at your > > exercise - bump up the intensity and or time spent to make that > > consistant caloric deficit. > > > > joni > > ----------------------------------------------- > > *Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long* > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Thanks joni and val for your help. I tweek it a bit and since Im only week 3, I really should give it some more time. Terri > > If I wanted to get things going, I would not add any fats. > > It slows down progress. > > This is old school lowfat thinking. People went on socalled 'lowfat > diets' and got fatter. The EFA's and DHA's she is getting from real > food sources (instead of supplementing with like UDOs etc) is > totally ok and will not slow down anything, in fact good fats help > the body to release the stored bodyfats thereby actually speeding up > ones metabolism. Again note she posted she lost 3lbs since her last > post ... > > > > There are currently 94 cases of e. coli in 19 States. > > Additionally there were something like 8 or 9 different brand > > names that the spinach was being sold under. > > My bad .. but I still ate a homemade spinach salad yesterday and > havent killed myself yet. ;-) Personal choice here and certainly not > espousing it for everyone to ignore the FDA's 'warning', but e coli > on foods is nothing new, you play russian roullette with all foods > that 'could be' contaminated by manure and or human handling. > Farmers are now losing over 1 million $ per day because of > this 'investigation' which will come up with basically nothing. > Sure this is widescale (only because everyone is reporting every > bout of diarrea they have in the last week! ecoli contamination > happens ALL the time, not only when they make an effort to track it, > check the yearly stats on it) but I think the FDA is just trying to > make itself look good (it has to make up its image in the defacing > it had from approving Vioxx and such as 'safe' medications that its > been paid to endorse) Eh can of worms .. much too debate for this > forum ... > > > > joni > > > > > > > > > > > She says she 'paints' it with flavored olive oil, and the almonds > > > are like flavor decoration and besides are another good source of > > > good fats. Again (depending on what kind she is using) is only > about > > > 46 additional calories with about 5 grams fat. Big deal. > > > > > > If she keeps adding fats, she shouldn¹t complain about the lack > of results. > > > > > >> > Meal Six lose the peanut butter and find a carb like maybe > > >> > the yogurt from breakfast. > > > > > > Eh, not that bad, but she could have the apple instead of the > yogurt > > > with it and dip it in one tsp peanutbutter instead to make a > better > > > combo. Peanutbutter (depending on what kind) has some saturated > fats > > > in it along with added sugar. > > > > > > Peanut butter isn¹t even an authorized food. If she¹s doing a > challenge and > > > wants results, she needs to lose the extra fats. If she¹s where > she wants to > > > be and is just maintaining, they¹re fine. > > > > > > All in all I think she is on the right track and is very careful > > > about her choices. Adding in somemore fiber sources is about the > > > only thing I can see that she is missing. Remeber if its not the > > > nutrtional part thats lacking, then its time to look at your > > > exercise - bump up the intensity and or time spent to make that > > > consistant caloric deficit. > > > > > > joni > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > > *Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 arpitip, Remember that it takes almost 6 wks for your body to regulate its water balance...you will see a difference I promise!!!! > > > > I'm into week 3 of my challenge (#2) anyways...I have not been > > loosing anything. I started at August 19 with 175lbs and on > 8/31/06 I > > was 172.4 then I went up to 173 and this morning I woke up Im > 173.8. > > > > also my bf% is going up Im up to 43% now. I had my thyroid > checked > > and it came back 2.0. my doc said all bloodwork was ok. > > > > my mid section is getting bigger also im 'swelling' up. > > > > anyone have any ideas. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Terri > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 > 1. Most food contains some fats. We¹re talking Body for Life > here and Bill doesn¹t add fats. When it¹s called > Joni for Life you add whatever you like. Pretty snotty reply. Refer to fats on the BFL main website. Hmm flax oil.. hmmm fish oils ... hmmmm seed oils ... and to read what Bill actually says about supplementing with EFA's read his Sports Supplemention Reviews. He highly recommends it. :-P As for the rest I stated that was my own take on it, certainly not for anyone to follow 'cuz she said so'. Duh. People need to think for themselves and be aware that ecoli/samonilla etc can lurk on all foods/surfaces etc due to human & animal contamination not just on the spinach they are currently flogging on about. Over 75,000 people a year are sickend by ecoli with 2-5% dying from it, and thats just those that get reported. And dont get me started about the FDA - they are certainly not there 'to protect us'. joni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 WOW, I just clicked on the subject line and it took me to the website and the thread, how easy!!! What about just REDUCING the amount of fats? I'm not sure what 1oz of avocado is... ah: 50 cal, 4.8gm fat 1/4 avocado 70 cal, 6gm fat I've been eating 1T of walnut pieces which can't be more than 2 halves: calorie.com 14 walnut halves is 182 cal (1 oz) So a suggestion would be 2-3 walnut halves, instead of 7 Maybe 3 almonds, slivered instead of 6 And maybe not avocado twice and nuts twice in one day. When I did my food in fitday.com, the fats do add up fast to bring you into the 30% fat, when we're looking for 20%, tops 25% fat. I think about that with salt now: if I eat something from Trader Joe's with salt, I don't eat 2 or 3 processed things in 1 day. Better than NEVER having the " healthy " foods or sauces I like. Etana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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