Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 Glynis, this is really interesting. My husband said to me the other day he thinks I should get my thyroid checked out. The main reason is because my skin is really dry, my hair is dry, my nails chip/crack and tear off all the time, and I am always feeling tired, even first thing in the morning. And I am freezing all the time. We are experiencing high 80 degree temperatures, and sometimes I need a sweater outside in the shade (my kids think I'm nuts). I took the thyroid test and had a score of 61%. This isnt off the charts, but it does recommend I get my thyroid checked out. One of the things that stood out to me was the question about my period. It is completely unpredictable the last 6 months or so. I used to be every 31 days pretty much to the day. Sometimes I'm 2 weeks late or 1 week early, I never know month to month. I will be 39 next month and don't recall ever getting it checked. I'll make a point of getting in to see the dr. Thanks for the info. >>>>>>>>>>> I'm curious -- have you ever had your thyroid checked? Thyroid > problems after having children are not uncommon. I don't know how > old you are, but some organizations recommend a thyroid evaluation > every year after age 35 for all women. > > I ask this because I gained 20 lb+ training for a marathon and doing > BFL. I couldn't figure out why I was not only getting nowhere, but > was getting worse. I ate cleaner, worked harder, than anyone I > knew. Went to the doctor and demanded a thyroid test. They sent me > home telling me I was fine, I asked for the number (TSH 4.65). I > went home and researched it and discovered, " DUH! " they were wrong, > I was most definitely hypothyroid, that the American Academy of > Clinical Endocrinology had changed the reference range a few years > before because they found out that normal people usually have a TSH > of .3 to 1.8.... anything over 2.0 should be suspect. I marched > right back to the doctor, reports in hand and demanded treatment. > It took more than two years to get the right dosage of Synthroid, > but Synthroid didn't work well... I went from a tight 12 to an 8 > (working my tail off to get there). I switched to Armour Thyroid > which is from natural sources... and suddenly my hard work began to > yield the results that my Herculean efforts deserved. > > So, with that in mind, go to thyroid.about.com and take the > hypothyroidism questionaire. If you have any of the common > symptoms, then go to your doctor and ask for a TSH test. Make sure > you bring a copy of the AACE press release and even the National > Association of Clinical Biochemistry (the standard for laboratories > across the nation) about the proper TSH range. (The new range is .3 > to 3.0, with anything over 2.0 meriting further testing). > > I hope that this helps you (or someone else who may be struggling). > > Glynis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Glynis, thanks so much for posting this. It definately helps me. This makes sense, I had my third (and last) child 1year ago. Ive been almost suicidal - LOL. For the life of me I couldnt figure out how I went from 139 to 172!! in 6 months. while ive been eating clean and working my butt off. Its been very depressing. Everytime I went to the doc he would just do a bunch of bloodwork and say 'everything is normal' he never suggested a thyroid test and I never thought of it. well off I go now demanding one. will keep u posted. Thanks again. > > > > Hi everyone, usually I'm very motivated and focused by I am > > definitely in a rut right now. I know what the trigger is, it > > happened this past Friday. I took the day off and went to the > beach > > and leisurely bikeriding with my husband (kids were in daycare). > We > > had a great day. He took some pix of our day out, sounds great > right? > > > > When I looked at them I got really bummed out. I've been busting > my > > butt following clean eating, counting calories, working out hard, > > daily training, yadda yadda yadda. I hate the photos. All I see is > > my big butt, cellulite and even some of the dreaded back fat! Damn. > > > > I feel like everything I do is a big waste of time. Why bother? > That > > was it. I ate pizza Friday night and had chocolate ice cream for > > dessert. Saturday was no better. I pretty much said 'fuck it' all > > weekend (pardon my swearing, but that is the truth). I blew off > all > > of my workouts. No HIIT in the park Sunday. My husband wanted to > go > > roller blading last night. I was not in the mood. Instead I was > in > > the mood for chocolate, ice cream, pretzels, brownies and donuts. > > And it tasted great! And I sat on my ass watching tv. > > > > This morning I woke up completely unmotivated. Screw the workout > > today, I said. Might as well enjoy food because it makes no > > difference to my physique. I'm at the same body weight as when I > > started this whole BFL/BFFM thing. And I enjoyed a white flour > > cinnamon raisin bagel with cream cheese. Yum, lots of processed > > food. > > > > So i have no interest in working out. No interest in eating > healthy. > > I'm planning out some 'off plan' unclean series of meals for the > > day. I've pretty much given up. > > > > I know I sound like I'm feeling sorry for myself and maybe I am. > > All I notice are the skinny women around here (my office, at the > > coffee shop this morning) scarfing down their whipped frappucino > > treats with extra whipping cream on top. I might as well enjoy > the > > same type of crap, keep my flabby ass and get over thinking I'll > > achieve what I want. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Yes thanks, I think it wouldn't hurt to get mine checked either. I seem so resistance to weight loss right now. PR http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Complaint-Station > > > > > > Hi everyone, usually I'm very motivated and focused by I am > > > definitely in a rut right now. I know what the trigger is, it > > > happened this past Friday. I took the day off and went to the > > beach > > > and leisurely bikeriding with my husband (kids were in daycare). > > We > > > had a great day. He took some pix of our day out, sounds great > > right? > > > > > > When I looked at them I got really bummed out. I've been busting > > my > > > butt following clean eating, counting calories, working out > hard, > > > daily training, yadda yadda yadda. I hate the photos. All I see > is > > > my big butt, cellulite and even some of the dreaded back fat! > Damn. > > > > > > I feel like everything I do is a big waste of time. Why bother? > > That > > > was it. I ate pizza Friday night and had chocolate ice cream for > > > dessert. Saturday was no better. I pretty much said 'fuck it' > all > > > weekend (pardon my swearing, but that is the truth). I blew off > > all > > > of my workouts. No HIIT in the park Sunday. My husband wanted > to > > go > > > roller blading last night. I was not in the mood. Instead I was > > in > > > the mood for chocolate, ice cream, pretzels, brownies and > donuts. > > > And it tasted great! And I sat on my ass watching tv. > > > > > > This morning I woke up completely unmotivated. Screw the > workout > > > today, I said. Might as well enjoy food because it makes no > > > difference to my physique. I'm at the same body weight as when I > > > started this whole BFL/BFFM thing. And I enjoyed a white flour > > > cinnamon raisin bagel with cream cheese. Yum, lots of processed > > > food. > > > > > > So i have no interest in working out. No interest in eating > > healthy. > > > I'm planning out some 'off plan' unclean series of meals for the > > > day. I've pretty much given up. > > > > > > I know I sound like I'm feeling sorry for myself and maybe I > am. > > > All I notice are the skinny women around here (my office, at the > > > coffee shop this morning) scarfing down their whipped frappucino > > > treats with extra whipping cream on top. I might as well enjoy > > the > > > same type of crap, keep my flabby ass and get over thinking I'll > > > achieve what I want. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Even the thyroid being a " little " off can make a huge difference in weight loss. My doctor and I had a goal to keep mine at least under 1.5, but preferrably below 1.0. Whenever my TSH goes up to higher than 1.5, I can't lose a pound. You can buy a TSH test at CVS, Walgreens, Rite Aid and probably other pharmacies. They are by the home drug tests, diabetes kits, etc. By me they are $39.95. You prick yourself with their little tool, squeeze some blood out, put it in the supplied packaging and send it to their lab. They are an official, real lab so your doctor would honor those results should you decide to check on your own first. Just remember - your TSH should be 0.3 to 3.0 with anything over 2.0 suspect and requiring further testing. What stinks is that so many doctors and labs are behind the times. They'll tell a patient " You're fine, the results are normal " but it is because they aren't going by the proper reference ranges. The changes the AACE and NACB publicized were picked up by Time Magazine, by Ladies Home Journal and other " big " publications. Yet so many doctors don't seem to have even read their latest medical journals and send so many of us home untreated and miserable. There are doctors who are so behind that they won't treat a person unless their TSH is over 5.5. For me, that level is sheer misery. I ache all over, can't think straight, live in a fog, don't respond quickly to anything, get periods that are like unleashing the Hoover Dam. My thyroid is where it should be now and I am finally getting some awesome results. Better yet, I'm enjoying working out again. Glynis > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, usually I'm very motivated and focused by I am > > > > definitely in a rut right now. I know what the trigger is, it > > > > happened this past Friday. I took the day off and went to the > > > beach > > > > and leisurely bikeriding with my husband (kids were in > daycare). > > > We > > > > had a great day. He took some pix of our day out, sounds great > > > right? > > > > > > > > When I looked at them I got really bummed out. I've been > busting > > > my > > > > butt following clean eating, counting calories, working out > > hard, > > > > daily training, yadda yadda yadda. I hate the photos. All I > see > > is > > > > my big butt, cellulite and even some of the dreaded back fat! > > Damn. > > > > > > > > I feel like everything I do is a big waste of time. Why > bother? > > > That > > > > was it. I ate pizza Friday night and had chocolate ice cream > for > > > > dessert. Saturday was no better. I pretty much said 'fuck it' > > all > > > > weekend (pardon my swearing, but that is the truth). I blew > off > > > all > > > > of my workouts. No HIIT in the park Sunday. My husband wanted > > to > > > go > > > > roller blading last night. I was not in the mood. Instead I > was > > > in > > > > the mood for chocolate, ice cream, pretzels, brownies and > > donuts. > > > > And it tasted great! And I sat on my ass watching tv. > > > > > > > > This morning I woke up completely unmotivated. Screw the > > workout > > > > today, I said. Might as well enjoy food because it makes no > > > > difference to my physique. I'm at the same body weight as when > I > > > > started this whole BFL/BFFM thing. And I enjoyed a white > flour > > > > cinnamon raisin bagel with cream cheese. Yum, lots of > processed > > > > food. > > > > > > > > So i have no interest in working out. No interest in eating > > > healthy. > > > > I'm planning out some 'off plan' unclean series of meals for > the > > > > day. I've pretty much given up. > > > > > > > > I know I sound like I'm feeling sorry for myself and maybe I > > am. > > > > All I notice are the skinny women around here (my office, at > the > > > > coffee shop this morning) scarfing down their whipped > frappucino > > > > treats with extra whipping cream on top. I might as well > enjoy > > > the > > > > same type of crap, keep my flabby ass and get over thinking > I'll > > > > achieve what I want. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Glynis, Thank you so much for the valuable information!!! This explains my results lately. I have been following BFL to the T for four weeks and I haven't lost anything. I have a lot to loose. I recently recived my TSH results and I am at 3.6. I have to let everyone know that my regular doctor told me I was in the normal range, proving that all doctors don't know what the normal range is. My test results were sent to my thyroid doctor and she is going to check my levels again in four weeks and if nothing has changed, she will increase my dose. It is frustrating because I know I won't lose anything in those four weeks but I will feel better. I hope when I do get into the correct range, the weight will come off. Eating healthy and exercising makes me feel better so I am not going to quit. I am going to keep going and weigh myself after I get my thyroid straightened out. Some of my symptoms I am experiencing at 3.6 are ringing and stuffy ears, itchy skin, irregular periods, sore muscles in my back and neck, can't concentrate (quite embarassing at times. My body temperature is lower than normal. I haven't heard this from anyone else but I am very sensitive to touch when I am hypothryoid. Also, during winter I can't go outside or I am chilled for the rest of the day and it is painful! Does anyone know a good website for Thyroid information? There used to be a good one by Shomon but I can't find it. Also, to anyone trying to conceive, when I was trying to get pregnant I couldn't until my levels were above 1 and sure enough I easily got pregnant after that. I was doing BFL at the same time too so maybe the combination of them both helped! Thanks again for the valuable information! > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, usually I'm very motivated and focused by I am > > > > > definitely in a rut right now. I know what the trigger is, > it > > > > > happened this past Friday. I took the day off and went to > the > > > > beach > > > > > and leisurely bikeriding with my husband (kids were in > > daycare). > > > > We > > > > > had a great day. He took some pix of our day out, sounds > great > > > > right? > > > > > > > > > > When I looked at them I got really bummed out. I've been > > busting > > > > my > > > > > butt following clean eating, counting calories, working out > > > hard, > > > > > daily training, yadda yadda yadda. I hate the photos. All I > > see > > > is > > > > > my big butt, cellulite and even some of the dreaded back > fat! > > > Damn. > > > > > > > > > > I feel like everything I do is a big waste of time. Why > > bother? > > > > That > > > > > was it. I ate pizza Friday night and had chocolate ice cream > > for > > > > > dessert. Saturday was no better. I pretty much said 'fuck > it' > > > all > > > > > weekend (pardon my swearing, but that is the truth). I blew > > off > > > > all > > > > > of my workouts. No HIIT in the park Sunday. My husband > wanted > > > to > > > > go > > > > > roller blading last night. I was not in the mood. Instead I > > was > > > > in > > > > > the mood for chocolate, ice cream, pretzels, brownies and > > > donuts. > > > > > And it tasted great! And I sat on my ass watching tv. > > > > > > > > > > This morning I woke up completely unmotivated. Screw the > > > workout > > > > > today, I said. Might as well enjoy food because it makes no > > > > > difference to my physique. I'm at the same body weight as > when > > I > > > > > started this whole BFL/BFFM thing. And I enjoyed a white > > flour > > > > > cinnamon raisin bagel with cream cheese. Yum, lots of > > processed > > > > > food. > > > > > > > > > > So i have no interest in working out. No interest in eating > > > > healthy. > > > > > I'm planning out some 'off plan' unclean series of meals for > > the > > > > > day. I've pretty much given up. > > > > > > > > > > I know I sound like I'm feeling sorry for myself and maybe I > > > am. > > > > > All I notice are the skinny women around here (my office, at > > the > > > > > coffee shop this morning) scarfing down their whipped > > frappucino > > > > > treats with extra whipping cream on top. I might as well > > enjoy > > > > the > > > > > same type of crap, keep my flabby ass and get over thinking > > I'll > > > > > achieve what I want. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Shomon's site is: thyroid.about.com You can get the press releases from the AACE & NACB there if you need to bring them to your doctor. The therapeutic target for Synthroid users is a TSH of 1.0 to 1.5 per the Thyroid Foundation of America. Many good doctors like to keep the TSH under 1.0 but above .3 - that happens to be where I feel best. Wait until you see the difference when you get in the proper range! It's not that the weight " melts off " by itself or anything, it's just that all your hard work starts to actually DO something. Glynis > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, usually I'm very motivated and focused by I > am > > > > > > definitely in a rut right now. I know what the trigger is, > > it > > > > > > happened this past Friday. I took the day off and went to > > the > > > > > beach > > > > > > and leisurely bikeriding with my husband (kids were in > > > daycare). > > > > > We > > > > > > had a great day. He took some pix of our day out, sounds > > great > > > > > right? > > > > > > > > > > > > When I looked at them I got really bummed out. I've been > > > busting > > > > > my > > > > > > butt following clean eating, counting calories, working > out > > > > hard, > > > > > > daily training, yadda yadda yadda. I hate the photos. All > I > > > see > > > > is > > > > > > my big butt, cellulite and even some of the dreaded back > > fat! > > > > Damn. > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel like everything I do is a big waste of time. Why > > > bother? > > > > > That > > > > > > was it. I ate pizza Friday night and had chocolate ice > cream > > > for > > > > > > dessert. Saturday was no better. I pretty much said 'fuck > > it' > > > > all > > > > > > weekend (pardon my swearing, but that is the truth). I > blew > > > off > > > > > all > > > > > > of my workouts. No HIIT in the park Sunday. My husband > > wanted > > > > to > > > > > go > > > > > > roller blading last night. I was not in the mood. Instead > I > > > was > > > > > in > > > > > > the mood for chocolate, ice cream, pretzels, brownies and > > > > donuts. > > > > > > And it tasted great! And I sat on my ass watching tv. > > > > > > > > > > > > This morning I woke up completely unmotivated. Screw the > > > > workout > > > > > > today, I said. Might as well enjoy food because it makes > no > > > > > > difference to my physique. I'm at the same body weight as > > when > > > I > > > > > > started this whole BFL/BFFM thing. And I enjoyed a white > > > flour > > > > > > cinnamon raisin bagel with cream cheese. Yum, lots of > > > processed > > > > > > food. > > > > > > > > > > > > So i have no interest in working out. No interest in > eating > > > > > healthy. > > > > > > I'm planning out some 'off plan' unclean series of meals > for > > > the > > > > > > day. I've pretty much given up. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know I sound like I'm feeling sorry for myself and maybe > I > > > > am. > > > > > > All I notice are the skinny women around here (my office, > at > > > the > > > > > > coffee shop this morning) scarfing down their whipped > > > frappucino > > > > > > treats with extra whipping cream on top. I might as well > > > enjoy > > > > > the > > > > > > same type of crap, keep my flabby ass and get over > thinking > > > I'll > > > > > > achieve what I want. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Well the doc just called with my results he say 2.0 exactly, but I requested a copy of the lab work... he says for that he will not recommend any meds etc. he says t3 and t4 are 'in range'.. Is Armour just for if your #s are above 2?? he did say my cholestral is 293 - just great! I cant imagine what could have caused that except I had the deadly fatty liver in pregnancy and almost died - but God is faithful. always something to worry about.... he has set me up with a nutritionist.... Terri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, usually I'm very motivated and focused by I > > am > > > > > > > definitely in a rut right now. I know what the trigger > is, > > > it > > > > > > > happened this past Friday. I took the day off and went > to > > > the > > > > > > beach > > > > > > > and leisurely bikeriding with my husband (kids were in > > > > daycare). > > > > > > We > > > > > > > had a great day. He took some pix of our day out, sounds > > > great > > > > > > right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I looked at them I got really bummed out. I've been > > > > busting > > > > > > my > > > > > > > butt following clean eating, counting calories, working > > out > > > > > hard, > > > > > > > daily training, yadda yadda yadda. I hate the photos. > All > > I > > > > see > > > > > is > > > > > > > my big butt, cellulite and even some of the dreaded back > > > fat! > > > > > Damn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel like everything I do is a big waste of time. Why > > > > bother? > > > > > > That > > > > > > > was it. I ate pizza Friday night and had chocolate ice > > cream > > > > for > > > > > > > dessert. Saturday was no better. I pretty much > said 'fuck > > > it' > > > > > all > > > > > > > weekend (pardon my swearing, but that is the truth). I > > blew > > > > off > > > > > > all > > > > > > > of my workouts. No HIIT in the park Sunday. My husband > > > wanted > > > > > to > > > > > > go > > > > > > > roller blading last night. I was not in the mood. > Instead > > I > > > > was > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the mood for chocolate, ice cream, pretzels, brownies > and > > > > > donuts. > > > > > > > And it tasted great! And I sat on my ass watching tv. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This morning I woke up completely unmotivated. Screw > the > > > > > workout > > > > > > > today, I said. Might as well enjoy food because it > makes > > no > > > > > > > difference to my physique. I'm at the same body weight > as > > > when > > > > I > > > > > > > started this whole BFL/BFFM thing. And I enjoyed a > white > > > > flour > > > > > > > cinnamon raisin bagel with cream cheese. Yum, lots of > > > > processed > > > > > > > food. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So i have no interest in working out. No interest in > > eating > > > > > > healthy. > > > > > > > I'm planning out some 'off plan' unclean series of meals > > for > > > > the > > > > > > > day. I've pretty much given up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know I sound like I'm feeling sorry for myself and > maybe > > I > > > > > am. > > > > > > > All I notice are the skinny women around here (my > office, > > at > > > > the > > > > > > > coffee shop this morning) scarfing down their whipped > > > > frappucino > > > > > > > treats with extra whipping cream on top. I might as > well > > > > enjoy > > > > > > the > > > > > > > same type of crap, keep my flabby ass and get over > > thinking > > > > I'll > > > > > > > achieve what I want. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 It would be a good idea to get a copy of your blood work. Plain T3 and T4 really don't say an awful lot. If he did Free T3 and Free T4, these should be in the upper 1/3 of the reference range. Some doctors will test you for antibodies if you have enough symptoms. If the antibodies (indicating autoimmune thyroid disease) are high, then they will treat you just for the antibodies w/o regard to the lab value of TSH. High cholesterol often goes hand in hand with thyroid problems, but of course, there are other causes for it. Armour is for hypothyroidism, no special circumstances (except getting a doctor who will prescribe it, they're all sucked in to the Synthroid propaganda). I sure hope that you can get some answers and get feeling up to par! Glynis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, usually I'm very motivated and focused by > I > > > am > > > > > > > > definitely in a rut right now. I know what the trigger > > is, > > > > it > > > > > > > > happened this past Friday. I took the day off and went > > to > > > > the > > > > > > > beach > > > > > > > > and leisurely bikeriding with my husband (kids were in > > > > > daycare). > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > had a great day. He took some pix of our day out, > sounds > > > > great > > > > > > > right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I looked at them I got really bummed out. I've > been > > > > > busting > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > butt following clean eating, counting calories, > working > > > out > > > > > > hard, > > > > > > > > daily training, yadda yadda yadda. I hate the photos. > > All > > > I > > > > > see > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > my big butt, cellulite and even some of the dreaded > back > > > > fat! > > > > > > Damn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel like everything I do is a big waste of time. > Why > > > > > bother? > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > was it. I ate pizza Friday night and had chocolate ice > > > cream > > > > > for > > > > > > > > dessert. Saturday was no better. I pretty much > > said 'fuck > > > > it' > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > weekend (pardon my swearing, but that is the truth). I > > > blew > > > > > off > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > of my workouts. No HIIT in the park Sunday. My > husband > > > > wanted > > > > > > to > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > roller blading last night. I was not in the mood. > > Instead > > > I > > > > > was > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the mood for chocolate, ice cream, pretzels, brownies > > and > > > > > > donuts. > > > > > > > > And it tasted great! And I sat on my ass watching tv. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This morning I woke up completely unmotivated. Screw > > the > > > > > > workout > > > > > > > > today, I said. Might as well enjoy food because it > > makes > > > no > > > > > > > > difference to my physique. I'm at the same body weight > > as > > > > when > > > > > I > > > > > > > > started this whole BFL/BFFM thing. And I enjoyed a > > white > > > > > flour > > > > > > > > cinnamon raisin bagel with cream cheese. Yum, lots of > > > > > processed > > > > > > > > food. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So i have no interest in working out. No interest in > > > eating > > > > > > > healthy. > > > > > > > > I'm planning out some 'off plan' unclean series of > meals > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > > day. I've pretty much given up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know I sound like I'm feeling sorry for myself and > > maybe > > > I > > > > > > am. > > > > > > > > All I notice are the skinny women around here (my > > office, > > > at > > > > > the > > > > > > > > coffee shop this morning) scarfing down their whipped > > > > > frappucino > > > > > > > > treats with extra whipping cream on top. I might as > > well > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same type of crap, keep my flabby ass and get over > > > thinking > > > > > I'll > > > > > > > > achieve what I want. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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