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Yes, please Sally, apart from the obvious nuisance value with the mercury, we have all manner of light fitments in our house, presumably they dont all look like those big ugly bulbs that stick out too much, already available.

Can we purchase energy saving chandeliers?

Only kidding, would like the link though,

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It's coz mercury vapour based electrical discharge plasmas have been

around for a long, long time and it's what people know best. All the

fluorescent tube lights used in offices and kitchens contain mercury.

Generating a discharge in gas is very tough. You need high voltages and

special gas mixtures. It just so happens tht mercury is one of the best

options when it comes to creating these light emitting plasmas as you

can generate stable plasmas at relative low voltages using mercury.

(Spot the geek who spends his work-life developing electrical plasma

dischargess in the lab!!!)

There are different CFL bulbs on the market and some contain less

mercury than others. Even the best still have mercury though. I think

Philips have a low mercury option, but I haven't looked for this in a

shop yet.

IMHO. the best option is to stock up on Ye Olde lightbulbs and wait for

the market to work out a way of removing mercury. Or wait for better

LEDs to come along.

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> Why do these new bulbs have mercury in them anyway?

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> >>Its PROGRESS Vicky................................

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> Mandi x

> PS Was on BBC News 24 about how we need instructions on how to

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Liam,

The fundamental issue is whether the mercury escapes from the device or not. I always thought the vapour was secure in the capsule and was released only after breakage. Can you comment?

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It's coz mercury vapour based electrical discharge plasmas have been around for a long, long time and it's what people know best. All the fluorescent tube lights used in offices and kitchens contain mercury. Generating a discharge in gas is very tough. You need high voltages and special gas mixtures. It just so happens tht mercury is one of the best options when it comes to creating these light emitting plasmas as you can generate stable plasmas at relative low voltages using mercury.(Spot the geek who spends his work-life developing electrical plasma dischargess in the lab!!!)There are different CFL bulbs on the market and some contain less mercury than others. Even the best still have mercury though. I think Philips have a low mercury option, but I haven't looked for this in a shop yet.IMHO. the best option is to stock up on Ye Olde lightbulbs and wait for the market to work out a way of removing mercury. Or wait for better LEDs to come along.>> > In a message dated 05/01/2008 12:06:15 GMT Standard Time, MaddiganV@... > writes:> > Why do these new bulbs have mercury in them anyway?> > > >>Its PROGRESS Vicky................................> > Mandi x> PS Was on BBC News 24 about how we need instructions on how to dispose of > them>

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Many parents also find our kids very sensitive to the flourescent lighting..why is that?

>>Its been suggested to me that this may be due to white noise and or flicker

Mandi x

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Hmm, what's white noise...humming.?

>>I don't know because I can't hear it but I know Sam can, I think of it as 'interference', bit like us having a dripping tap, its irritating and distracting. But then what do I know, I'm only an NT.........

Mandi x

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It's a sealed vacuum tube. The release of mercury from such a device

would be zero unless the vacuum vessel cracked. If it cracks, then

the bulb won't light, so you'll know pretty fast if there is a

problem. So as long as there is no breakage, I wouldn't worry. In

fact, I already have a number of these bulbs in my house.

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> > In a message dated 05/01/2008 12:06:15 GMT Standard Time,

> MaddiganV@

> > writes:

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> > Why do these new bulbs have mercury in them anyway?

> >

> >

> > >>Its PROGRESS Vicky................................

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> > Mandi x

> > PS Was on BBC News 24 about how we need instructions on how to

> dispose of

> > them

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Liam,

How would you explain the connection of these mercury filled lightbulbs to health problems (according to BBC report are porphyria, excema etc.) if nothing but the "rays of light " express themselves externally?

Many parents also find our kids very sensitive to the flourescent lighting..why is that?

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It's a sealed vacuum tube. The release of mercury from such a device would be zero unless the vacuum vessel cracked. If it cracks, then the bulb won't light, so you'll know pretty fast if there is a problem. So as long as there is no breakage, I wouldn't worry. In fact, I already have a number of these bulbs in my house. > >> > > > In a message dated 05/01/2008 12:06:15 GMT Standard Time, > MaddiganV@ > > writes:> > > > Why do these new bulbs have mercury in them anyway?> > > > > > >>Its PROGRESS Vicky................................> > > > Mandi x> > PS Was on BBC News 24 about how we need instructions on how to > dispose of > > them> >>

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Hmm, what's white noise...humming.?

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In a message dated 07/01/2008 09:49:05 GMT Standard Time, moppett1btinternet writes:

Many parents also find our kids very sensitive to the flourescent lighting..why is that?

>>Its been suggested to me that this may be due to white noise and or flicker

Mandi x

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The flicker can trigger epilepsy in the susceptible and bother people on

the spectrum

sally

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> Liam,

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> How would you explain the connection of these mercury filled

> lightbulbs to health problems (according to BBC report are porphyria,

> excema etc.) if nothing but the " rays of light " express themselves

> externally?

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> Many parents also find our kids very sensitive to the flourescent

> lighting..why is that?

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> It's a sealed vacuum tube. The release of mercury from such a device

> would be zero unless the vacuum vessel cracked. If it cracks, then

> the bulb won't light, so you'll know pretty fast if there is a

> problem. So as long as there is no breakage, I wouldn't worry. In

> fact, I already have a number of these bulbs in my house.

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> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 05/01/2008 12:06:15 GMT Standard Time,

> > MaddiganV@

> > > writes:

> > >

> > > Why do these new bulbs have mercury in them anyway?

> > >

> > >

> > > >>Its PROGRESS Vicky................................

> > >

> > > Mandi x

> > > PS Was on BBC News 24 about how we need instructions on how to

> > dispose of

> > > them

> > >

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> IMHO. the best option is to stock up on Ye Olde lightbulbs and wait

for

> the market to work out a way of removing mercury. Or wait for better

> LEDs to come along.

Yes, that's what I think we should do. It's good there's been so much

in the media this weekend as perhaps this will lead to some action by

the manufacturers. A few months ago I contacted the BBC about the

dangers of broken lightbulbs with mercury (Henry had smashed 3 in 2

minutes) and they got an industry spokesman in on You and Yours who

issued soothing platitutes, but this won't wash any longer!

Margaret

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But when it comes to disposal, millions of these are ending up broken

in landfill or in incinerators and the mercury will be released.

I was advised by my local council to treat the bulbs as hazardous

waste and to seal them up and take them to the council dump where

they would be treated as toxic waste. I pointed out that I did not

have a car and couldn't get there - so they went in the dustbin.

While some people may take them to the dump, most will not and they

will end up polluting the environment.

Margaret

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> > >

> > > In a message dated 05/01/2008 12:06:15 GMT Standard Time,

> > MaddiganV@

> > > writes:

> > >

> > > Why do these new bulbs have mercury in them anyway?

> > >

> > >

> > > >>Its PROGRESS Vicky................................

> > >

> > > Mandi x

> > > PS Was on BBC News 24 about how we need instructions on how

to

> > dispose of

> > > them

> > >

> >

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Can't explain any link to porphyria or other such health issues, but

then I haven't sen the reports you refer to.

I know that CFL lights are horrible to work under. My office falls

under the ategory of " Hell with fluoresecent lighting " .

I know some people develop headaches, etc from working under CFL

bulbs.

CFL bulbs won't emit a constant source of light. The plasma flickers

on and off as the AC current goes through it's cycle (though this is

partly negated by the coating on the bulb). Our eyes didn't develop

to work under flickering lighting, so there may be issues there even

if we're not conciously aware of the flickering. Sort of like

staring at a PC monitor or TV screen.

Start stockpiling the old bulbs!

The sale of old incandescent bulbs has been banned fomr Jan 1st of

next year in Ireland, so I'll be stocking up over the next few

months (damn Green Party is forcing me to buy mercury containing

lighting systems!).

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> > >

> > > In a message dated 05/01/2008 12:06:15 GMT Standard Time,

> > MaddiganV@

> > > writes:

> > >

> > > Why do these new bulbs have mercury in them anyway?

> > >

> > >

> > > >>Its PROGRESS Vicky................................

> > >

> > > Mandi x

> > > PS Was on BBC News 24 about how we need instructions on how

to

> > dispose of

> > > them

> > >

> >

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These bulbs are covered under the new EU directive on recycling of

electrical appliances. So you can return them to the shop when

buying replacements and the shop will have to take them back and

recycle them for you.

Still not ideal, but it may help.

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> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 05/01/2008 12:06:15 GMT Standard Time,

> > > MaddiganV@

> > > > writes:

> > > >

> > > > Why do these new bulbs have mercury in them anyway?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >>Its PROGRESS Vicky................................

> > > >

> > > > Mandi x

> > > > PS Was on BBC News 24 about how we need instructions on

how

> to

> > > dispose of

> > > > them

> > > >

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7170246.stm

Liam,

Here's the link to the bulb and health issues.....

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Can't explain any link to porphyria or other such health issues, but then I haven't sen the reports you refer to. I know that CFL lights are horrible to work under. My office falls under the ategory of "Hell with fluoresecent lighting".I know some people develop headaches, etc from working under CFL bulbs.CFL bulbs won't emit a constant source of light. The plasma flickers on and off as the AC current goes through it's cycle (though this is partly negated by the coating on the bulb). Our eyes didn't develop to work under flickering lighting, so there may be issues there even if we're not conciously aware of the flickering. Sort of like staring at a PC monitor or TV screen.Start stockpiling the old bulbs!The sale of old incandescent bulbs has been banned fomr Jan 1st of next year in Ireland, so I'll be stocking up over the next few months (damn Green Party is forcing me to buy mercury containing lighting systems!).> > >> > > > > > In a message dated 05/01/2008 12:06:15 GMT Standard Time, > > MaddiganV@ > > > writes:> > > > > > Why do these new bulbs have mercury in them anyway?> > > > > > > > > >>Its PROGRESS Vicky................................> > > > > > Mandi x> > > PS Was on BBC News 24 about how we need instructions on how to > > dispose of > > > them> > >> >>

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ulie,

it's hard to make a call, as it's a short couple of lines with no

real info. It says that light sources can affect some people with

skin sensitivity, and that porphyria can produce skin sensitivity.

That doesn't mean CFL light bulbs cause porphyria. I'd need to see

the science behind this to comment.

But it got me thinking -

Apart from the flickering, the CFL bulbs have a second problem. They

only emit in certain areas of the visible spectrum. It's not a

true " white " light. Instead, it emits bands of intense light over a

few different narrow frequency ranges. The more expensive bulbs emit

over wider ranges (more coatings on the tube to adsorb and re-

transmit light). That intesne light in few frequencies might be why

they cause problems with photo-sensitive people, but I'm not really

an expert on this side light - health thing so I'm just guessing.

Liam

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> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 05/01/2008 12:06:15 GMT Standard Time,

> > > MaddiganV@

> > > > writes:

> > > >

> > > > Why do these new bulbs have mercury in them anyway?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >>Its PROGRESS Vicky................................

> > > >

> > > > Mandi x

> > > > PS Was on BBC News 24 about how we need instructions on

how

> to

> > > dispose of

> > > > them

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Hi all

My dad just alerted me to an anti-CFL piece in a column in today's

mirror. There's hope for a popular revolt yet!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/columnists/parsons/

I wrote to the Environment secretary, Benn, late last year

complaining about the imposition of CFLs on the grounds that they

contain poison and that they don't really save energy. I got a reply a

few days ago reassuring me that the mercury levels were ever so low,

only a few milligrams, and that I really shouldn't be too worried(!!)

I'm sure I'm not the only one on this list who doesn't want an atom of

mercury in our house, let alone a few milligrams. Furthermore, I was

reminded that this is not a government policy but rather a voluntary

initiative by the lighting manufacturers. In other words, a scam to

sell expensive and dangerous light bulbs. I wonder if the growing

public concerns about CFLs may persuade some of them to do a U-turn on

their phasing-out policy?

Anyone worried that incandescent bulbs will be disappearing in the

near future should note that there are currently no plans to replace

decoratively shaped bulbs like candle or golf-ball bulbs. These

generally only go up to 60W but it does give you a long-term

mercury-free lighting solution.

Best wishes

Tim

>

> The clock is now running for the total withdrawal of filament

> lightbulbs. If you don't want to use the mercury-containing low energy

> ones, I suggest you stock up. 150watt bulbs are already running out,

> from next January 100watt bulbs will go and so on and so on until none

> are available.

> Margaret

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Unfortunately, if the bulb does crack you suddenly have a very serious

problem in the shape of a room full of mercury vapour. See

http://www.epa.gov/mercury/spills/index.htm#flourescent for the

measures that even the normally blasé US government recommends in that

event!

Tim

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> > >

> > > In a message dated 05/01/2008 12:06:15 GMT Standard Time,

> > MaddiganV@

> > > writes:

> > >

> > > Why do these new bulbs have mercury in them anyway?

> > >

> > >

> > > >>Its PROGRESS Vicky................................

> > >

> > > Mandi x

> > > PS Was on BBC News 24 about how we need instructions on how to

> > dispose of

> > > them

> > >

> >

>

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