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Hi Sara,

Thanks for you response on the D3 question :-)

We've used VSL#3. I did really like how easy it was to give large

doses of CFUs. I was using two packages a day. We didn't see any

gains from it, but we very rarely do, so that is not the criterion

for me on whether to continue using it.

There was an interesting study done showing how VSL #3 was used to

make sourdough bread and that bread is tolerated by people with

celiac. It seems to me that celiac is a result of chronic low

levels of certain bacteria--same as for our kids who have gut and

food issues. So, although my son doesn't have reactions to gluten

any longer, I do want to keep him topped up with as much good

bacteria as possible.

I would certainly recommend VSL as a good probiotic to rotate in.

Sorry can't help you where to buy it--I got mine in Canada.

Anita

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> Has anyone used this? Would like to hear how you got on if so? And

also

> where do you get it? Sara

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Just a cautionary note on VSL, Dr. Usman has reported that SOME kids appear to get immune problems while on VSL. Anne Brynn, on here and A-M did find an interesting study, which I can ask her to post, that found some strains in VSL causing a tamping down of the Th1 side of the immune system.

That's what we found here, while on VSL, one infection after another while we were wracking our brains trying to figure out what was causing it. For other children it does not seem to cause any problems and I would think it depends on where there immune system sits presently.

For example if the Th1 side of immunity was too strong in a particular kid, this would be good, not bad but if the Th1 side was functional, or weak, not so good.

This problem we had with VSL was not apparent immediately, probably took about 2 months to appear and it quickly dissipated once off the VSL.

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there is some science on sourdough to the effect that celiacs can eat it VSL or not because all the gluten is degraded by the fermentation process.xx sallyAnita wrote:>> Hi Sara,>> Thanks for you response on the D3 question :-)>> We've used VSL#3. I did really like how easy it was to give large> doses of CFUs. I was using two packages a day. We didn't see any> gains from it, but we very rarely do, so that is not the criterion> for me on whether to continue using it.>> There was an interesting study done showing how VSL #3 was used to> make sourdough bread and that bread is tolerated by people with> celiac. It seems to me that celiac is a result of chronic low> levels of certain bacteria--same as for our kids who have gut and> food issues. So, although my son doesn't have reactions to gluten> any longer, I do want to keep him topped up with as much good> bacteria as possible.>> I would certainly recommend VSL as a good probiotic to rotate in.> Sorry can't help you where to buy it--I got mine in Canada.>> Anita>> > >> >> > Has anyone used this? Would like to hear how you got on if so? And> also> > where do you get it? Sara> >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------->> No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 11/01/2008 18:09>

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Thanks

a lot for that, Jane. I think we’re going to give it a go. Sara

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Hi

It is a very strong probiotic and has some really good results, we

had lots of die off with it when we introduced it, so much so that we

thought it didnt agree with Joe. He had symptons that indicated diet

infringement, but new it wasnt! we stuck with it and are now glad we

did! So be prepared, just incase, also I get mine from the states

and so far havent been charged VAT when they come in, so they work

out much cheaper and they arrive with ice packs and very quickly.

Jane

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> > Has anyone used this? Would like to hear how you got on if so?

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> > where do you get it? Sara

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Great

thanks, Anita. I’ll get some straight away. SARA

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Sent: 14 January 2008 13:24

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Re: VSL

Hi Sara,

Thanks for you response on the D3 question :-)

We've used VSL#3. I did really like how easy it was to give large

doses of CFUs. I was using two packages a day. We didn't see any

gains from it, but we very rarely do, so that is not the criterion

for me on whether to continue using it.

There was an interesting study done showing how VSL #3 was used to

make sourdough bread and that bread is tolerated by people with

celiac. It seems to me that celiac is a result of chronic low

levels of certain bacteria--same as for our kids who have gut and

food issues. So, although my son doesn't have reactions to gluten

any longer, I do want to keep him topped up with as much good

bacteria as possible.

I would certainly recommend VSL as a good probiotic to rotate in.

Sorry can't help you where to buy it--I got mine in Canada.

Anita

>

>

> Has anyone used this? Would like to hear how you got on if so? And

also

> where do you get it? Sara

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Hi

, thanks for that. That’s quite a scary thought, not sure I want

to put Tom through that. Sara

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Sent: 14 January 2008 14:51

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Re: VSL

Just a cautionary note on VSL,

Dr. Usman has reported that SOME kids appear to get immune problems while on

VSL. Anne Brynn, on here and A-M did find an interesting study, which I can ask

her to post, that found some strains in VSL causing a tamping down of the Th1

side of the immune system.

That's what we found here, while on

VSL, one infection after another while we were wracking our brains trying to

figure out what was causing it. For other children it does not seem to cause

any problems and I would think it depends on where there immune system sits

presently.

For example if the Th1 side of

immunity was too strong in a particular kid, this would be good, not bad but if

the Th1 side was functional, or weak, not so good.

This problem we had with VSL was not

apparent immediately, probably took about 2 months to appear and it quickly

dissipated once off the VSL.

Re:

Re: VSL

there is some science on sourdough to the effect that

celiacs can eat it

VSL or not because all the gluten is degraded by the fermentation process.

xx sally

Anita wrote:

>

> Hi Sara,

>

> Thanks for you response on the D3 question :-)

>

> We've used VSL#3. I did really like how easy it was to give large

> doses of CFUs. I was using two packages a day. We didn't see any

> gains from it, but we very rarely do, so that is not the criterion

> for me on whether to continue using it.

>

> There was an interesting study done showing how VSL #3 was used to

> make sourdough bread and that bread is tolerated by people with

> celiac. It seems to me that celiac is a result of chronic low

> levels of certain bacteria--same as for our kids who have gut and

> food issues. So, although my son doesn't have reactions to gluten

> any longer, I do want to keep him topped up with as much good

> bacteria as possible.

>

> I would certainly recommend VSL as a good probiotic to rotate in.

> Sorry can't help you where to buy it--I got mine in Canada.

>

> Anita

>

>

> >

> >

> > Has anyone used this? Would like to hear how you got on if so? And

> also

> > where do you get it? Sara

> >

>

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------

>

> No virus found in this incoming message.

> Checked by AVG Free Edition.

> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date:

11/01/2008 18:09

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Sara,

Many kids use VSL without any problems, just wanted to alert people so if they saw more than one infection in a row they could figure it out a lot more quickly than we did.

She got walking pneumonia followed by her first strep infection ever followed by two bouts of bronchitis. She missed 10 days of school in the first 6 weeks of Kindergarten and the school wasn't exactly happy.

Not to mention it shot her IgE from a very respectable 6, to 113!!!! Then the ped was not happy.

It did however get rid of any trace of yeast :-) But it's not a good probiotic for her. In case anyone doubts a probiotic CAN have an impact on your immune system, we don't. But it works both ways.

I don't mean to scare people, many use it with no problems at all.

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there is some science on sourdough to the effect that celiacs can eat it VSL or not because all the gluten is degraded by the fermentation process.xx sallyAnita wrote:>> Hi Sara,>> Thanks for you response on the D3 question :-)>> We've used VSL#3. I did really like how easy it was to give large> doses of CFUs. I was using two packages a day. We didn't see any> gains from it, but we very rarely do, so that is not the criterion> for me on whether to continue using it.>> There was an interesting study done showing how VSL #3 was used to> make sourdough bread and that bread is tolerated by people with> celiac. It seems to me that celiac is a result of chronic low> levels of certain bacteria--same as for our kids who have gut and> food issues. So, although my son doesn't have reactions to gluten> any longer, I do want to keep him topped up with as much good> bacteria as possible.>> I would certainly recommend VSL as a good probiotic to rotate in.> Sorry can't help you where to buy it--I got mine in Canada.>> Anita>> > >> >> > Has anyone used this? Would like to hear how you got on if so? And> also> > where do you get it? Sara> >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------->> No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 11/01/2008 18:09>

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We had some of that, too, but honestly, I think it was kind of

good. My son had clearly been a strep carrier for a long time

(OCD/perseverative behaviors) but never had diagnosable strep by

throat swab until he was on VSL for a bit. Then we had back to back

bouts of strep throat, got antibiotics, and saw an immediate

decrease in the behaviors.

I think it got my son's immune system thinking. Maybe we were T1

heavy, not sure.

Anne

> > >

> > >

> > > Has anyone used this? Would like to hear how you got on if so?

And

> > also

> > > where do you get it? Sara

> > >

> >

> >

> > ----------------------------------------------------------

> >

> > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.

> > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date:

> 11/01/2008 18:09

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Thanks

Anne. I’ll give it a go, I think. Sara

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Sent: 14 January 2008 18:33

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Re: VSL

We had some of that, too, but honestly, I think it was kind of

good. My son had clearly been a strep carrier for a long time

(OCD/perseverative behaviors) but never had diagnosable strep by

throat swab until he was on VSL for a bit. Then we had back to back

bouts of strep throat, got antibiotics, and saw an immediate

decrease in the behaviors.

I think it got my son's immune system thinking. Maybe we were T1

heavy, not sure.

Anne

> > >

> > >

> > > Has anyone used this? Would like to hear how you got on if so?

And

> > also

> > > where do you get it? Sara

> > >

> >

> >

> > ----------------------------------------------------------

> >

> > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.

> > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date:

> 11/01/2008 18:09

> >

>

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