Re: OT: Starting School (again, sorry)

[Guest guest]

He is 3 years 8 months old right now - he's a May baby so he would be 4 years and 3 months old when he started reception. We haven't found a school that we like that will do a Jan intake and certainly not one that would do a spring intake. I'll have a look around and see if I can find it written somewhere on the LEA site.

We are so confused as every single person that we speak to tells us something different. The independent school tells us they place according to ability anyway and don't care what age a child is but then the secondary independent school told us that they wouldn't accept a child " out of his year". It's such conflicting messages and very confusing and frankly irritating!

Thanks very much for the info.

Darla

It is definitely true Darla that they must start the term after they are 5. that’s why Tom has just started – he’s just 5. I think it’s written everywhere – have a look at the LEA’s website. The difficulty lies, probably with when their intakes are. Plymouth schools have Sep and Jan – well some of them. I don’t think many schools have April intakes and then I suppose they prefer to take people earlier rather than later. You don’t have to send him til then for definite but the reception/ year 1 thing is more difficult. How old is he now?

-----Original Message-----From: Autism-Biomedical-Europe [mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of rexel45aolSent: 12 January 2008 15:49To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Subject: Re: Re: OT: Starting School (again, sorry)

If this is true, then it's great news, unfortunately it's not what we are being told by anyone - the schools that we have spoken to have told us that if we applied next year they would shove him into Year 1 and skip reception! That's the worst possible scenario that we could have. Do you know where this is written down? Where is the law stated? I don't have a clue where to find it.

thanks for the info,

Darla

In a message dated 12/01/2008 15:30:37 GMT Standard Time, bbrowne123 writes:

if you are sending to school, must be in school first term after they turn 5. so if your child turns five in february, he does not have to go to school until the following september that year. Our own boy is going to be 5 next month. He wont have to go to school until he is 5 and almost 7 months.we held him back a year in nursery, i.e. he did 2 years of nursery (mind you he is not in nursery now as we are homeschooling. >> Hi All,> We are having tremendous difficulty with being told widely varying things > about what will happen if we hold back a year (he wouldn't start reception > until he would be 5years and 4 months old). We understand that the law > states that he must be in education when he turns 5. Can someone point me to > this "law" in written format or perhaps the guiding code of practice for > education? > > Thanks very much,> Darla x>

[Guest guest]

We have done all three, child start school after 5, older boy start at 5 then later on held back a yr, and finally part time schooling, don't know what the actual legalities are but I can say none of them made one iota of difference to how my boys fared. My LEA don't seem to care which option a parent chooses so long as it is cheap.

Vicky

[Guest guest]

Sam started full time Autism specific school at 3 years 4 months..................

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

Ican't but I can tell you that children used to go to school in the term

AFTER they were five, then rising fives (the term in which they are

five) and now at the beginning of the year in which they are five. I

doubt that the law has changed.

Sally

rexel45@... wrote:

>

> Hi All,

> We are having tremendous difficulty with being told widely varying

> things about what will happen if we hold back a year (he wouldn't

> start reception until he would be 5years and 4 months old). We

> understand that the law states that he must be in education when he

> turns 5. Can someone point me to this " law " in written

> format or perhaps the guiding code of practice for education?

>

> Thanks very much,

> Darla x

>

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[Guest guest]

if you are sending to school, must be in school first term after they

turn 5. so if your child turns five in february, he does not have to go

to school until the following september that year.

Our own boy is going to be 5 next month. He wont have to go to school

until he is 5 and almost 7 months.

we held him back a year in nursery, i.e. he did 2 years of nursery

(mind you he is not in nursery now as we are homeschooling.

>

> Hi All,

> We are having tremendous difficulty with being told widely varying

things

> about what will happen if we hold back a year (he wouldn't start

reception

> until he would be 5years and 4 months old). We understand that the

law

> states that he must be in education when he turns 5. Can someone

point me to

> this " law " in written format or perhaps the guiding code of practice

for

> education?

>

> Thanks very much,

> Darla x

>

[Guest guest]

Ahhh, this makes a few things make far more sense. I swear, getting a reception place is akin to mining for diamonds around here...

Thanks, Sara, for the kind words and advice. We are going to keep trying to keep him back a year, this is what seems like the best all around, we just don't want to end up with pie in our faces later or social services at our door!

Thanks very much everyone, your comments are immensely helpful. My husband has also read all of them.

Darla xx

Part of the problem here may be that schools are at their fullest in Reception. They fill up tight (all but the worst). After that, even by Year 1, spaces develop as children move house and even the best school may have spaces. So you are wanting them to hold and then give you one of their precious Reception spaces -- when they may have a Year 1 space by then. The other complication is that legal considerations govern who gets a Reception place. But "casual" entry after Reception is run by the schools themselves and is very ad hoc ie they make it up as they go along. Do you have a statement for him?I think you need one of the education advice groups. ACE (or something) I'll look for itxx SallyEva family wrote:>> They are right. He doesn't have to do reception. School starts at Year> 1. Reception was added on -- it's a sort of easing into school. It's an> invention of the last 30 years. Previously a few children did it but not> all. As the school entry age has gone down reception has come to be seen> as part of compulsory schooling. It isn't. So technically they are> right. However, they could hold him back if they wanted. If he goes in> after 5 then his peers will be in Year 1. Ask them to hold him back. If> they won't ..................> Sally>> rexel45aol <mailto:rexel45%40aol.com> wrote:> >> > If this is true, then it's great news, unfortunately it's not what we> > are being told by anyone - the schools that we have spoken to have> > told us that if we applied next year they would shove him into Year 1> > and skip reception! That's the worst possible scenario that we could> > have. Do you know where this is written down? Where is the law> > stated? I don't have a clue where to find it.> >> > thanks for the info,> > Darla> >> > In a message dated 12/01/2008 15:30:37 GMT Standard Time,> > bbrowne123 <mailto:bbrowne123%40yahoo.com> writes:> >> > if you are sending to school, must be in school first term after they> > turn 5. so if your child turns five in february, he does not have> > to go> > to school until the following september that year.> >> > Our own boy is going to be 5 next month. He wont have to go to school> > until he is 5 and almost 7 months.> > we held him back a year in nursery, i.e. he did 2 years of nursery> > (mind you he is not in nursery now as we are homeschooling.> >> > > > >> > > Hi All,> > > We are having tremendous difficulty with being told widely varying> > things> > > about what will happen if we hold back a year (he wouldn't> > start> > reception> > > until he would be 5years and 4 months old). We understand that the> > law> > > states that he must be in education when he turns 5. Can someone> > point me to> > > this "law" in written format or perhaps the guiding code of> > practice> > for> > > education?> > >> > > Thanks very much,> > > Darla x> > >> >> >> >> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------> >> > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: > 11/01/2008 18:09> >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------->> No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 11/01/2008 18:09>

[Guest guest]

They are right. He doesn't have to do reception. School starts at Year

1. Reception was added on -- it's a sort of easing into school. It's an

invention of the last 30 years. Previously a few children did it but not

all. As the school entry age has gone down reception has come to be seen

as part of compulsory schooling. It isn't. So technically they are

right. However, they could hold him back if they wanted. If he goes in

after 5 then his peers will be in Year 1. Ask them to hold him back. If

they won't ..................

Sally

rexel45@... wrote:

>

> If this is true, then it's great news, unfortunately it's not what we

> are being told by anyone - the schools that we have spoken to have

> told us that if we applied next year they would shove him into Year 1

> and skip reception! That's the worst possible scenario that we could

> have. Do you know where this is written down? Where is the law

> stated? I don't have a clue where to find it.

>

> thanks for the info,

> Darla

>

> In a message dated 12/01/2008 15:30:37 GMT Standard Time,

> bbrowne123@... writes:

>

> if you are sending to school, must be in school first term after they

> turn 5. so if your child turns five in february, he does not have

> to go

> to school until the following september that year.

>

> Our own boy is going to be 5 next month. He wont have to go to school

> until he is 5 and almost 7 months.

> we held him back a year in nursery, i.e. he did 2 years of nursery

> (mind you he is not in nursery now as we are homeschooling.

>

>

> >

> > Hi All,

> > We are having tremendous difficulty with being told widely varying

> things

> > about what will happen if we hold back a year (he wouldn't

> start

> reception

> > until he would be 5years and 4 months old). We understand that the

> law

> > states that he must be in education when he turns 5. Can someone

> point me to

> > this " law " in written format or perhaps the guiding code of

> practice

> for

> > education?

> >

> > Thanks very much,

> > Darla x

> >

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi ~Darla,

I am not sure whether it is written down anywhere. I know of quite a few parents who came to this agreement with the school (not discussing it with LEA). We sent my son to reception a year later because he had a late august birthday. The school were in agreement that as he was already developmentally behind the other children it would be in his interest. I know of several other children with autism in my area and the same thing has happened. Obviously if SATS etc were to be considered appropriate - the child would have to take them at the same age as the other children. There is also the issue that if they will grow and be bigger than the rest of the class. Not such an issue in mixed age classes. We had no problems sorting this out with our local primary school. Just talked to the staff.

Jane

Re: Re: OT: Starting School (again, sorry)

If this is true, then it's great news, unfortunately it's not what we are being told by anyone - the schools that we have spoken to have told us that if we applied next year they would shove him into Year 1 and skip reception! That's the worst possible scenario that we could have. Do you know where this is written down? Where is the law stated? I don't have a clue where to find it.

thanks for the info,

Darla

In a message dated 12/01/2008 15:30:37 GMT Standard Time, bbrowne123 writes:

if you are sending to school, must be in school first term after they turn 5. so if your child turns five in february, he does not have to go to school until the following september that year. Our own boy is going to be 5 next month. He wont have to go to school until he is 5 and almost 7 months.we held him back a year in nursery, i.e. he did 2 years of nursery (mind you he is not in nursery now as we are homeschooling. >> Hi All,> We are having tremendous difficulty with being told widely varying things > about what will happen if we hold back a year (he wouldn't start reception > until he would be 5years and 4 months old). We understand that the law > states that he must be in education when he turns 5. Can someone point me to > this "law" in written format or perhaps the guiding code of practice for > education? > > Thanks very much,> Darla x>

[Guest guest]

Part of the problem here may be that schools are at their fullest in

Reception. They fill up tight (all but the worst). After that, even by

Year 1, spaces develop as children move house and even the best school

may have spaces. So you are wanting them to hold and then give you one

of their precious Reception spaces -- when they may have a Year 1 space

by then. The other complication is that legal considerations govern who

gets a Reception place. But " casual " entry after Reception is run by the

schools themselves and is very ad hoc ie they make it up as they go

along. Do you have a statement for him?

I think you need one of the education advice groups. ACE (or something)

I'll look for it

xx Sally

Eva family wrote:

>

> They are right. He doesn't have to do reception. School starts at Year

> 1. Reception was added on -- it's a sort of easing into school. It's an

> invention of the last 30 years. Previously a few children did it but not

> all. As the school entry age has gone down reception has come to be seen

> as part of compulsory schooling. It isn't. So technically they are

> right. However, they could hold him back if they wanted. If he goes in

> after 5 then his peers will be in Year 1. Ask them to hold him back. If

> they won't ..................

> Sally

>

> rexel45@... <mailto:rexel45%40aol.com> wrote:

> >

> > If this is true, then it's great news, unfortunately it's not what we

> > are being told by anyone - the schools that we have spoken to have

> > told us that if we applied next year they would shove him into Year 1

> > and skip reception! That's the worst possible scenario that we could

> > have. Do you know where this is written down? Where is the law

> > stated? I don't have a clue where to find it.

> >

> > thanks for the info,

> > Darla

> >

> > In a message dated 12/01/2008 15:30:37 GMT Standard Time,

> > bbrowne123@... <mailto:bbrowne123%40yahoo.com> writes:

> >

> > if you are sending to school, must be in school first term after they

> > turn 5. so if your child turns five in february, he does not have

> > to go

> > to school until the following september that year.

> >

> > Our own boy is going to be 5 next month. He wont have to go to school

> > until he is 5 and almost 7 months.

> > we held him back a year in nursery, i.e. he did 2 years of nursery

> > (mind you he is not in nursery now as we are homeschooling.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hi All,

> > > We are having tremendous difficulty with being told widely varying

> > things

> > > about what will happen if we hold back a year (he wouldn't

> > start

> > reception

> > > until he would be 5years and 4 months old). We understand that the

> > law

> > > states that he must be in education when he turns 5. Can someone

> > point me to

> > > this " law " in written format or perhaps the guiding code of

> > practice

> > for

> > > education?

> > >

> > > Thanks very much,

> > > Darla x

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

I agree with this. You need to find people you like and who are

committed to making it work for your child. As Sara says, leas don't

like it but it's up to the school. Depends if they will or they won't.

Sally

Sass and Rem wrote:

>

> It’s very irritating but here are a few things I’ve worked out. You

> have a right to home educate but LEA’s don’t like it and think a child

> should be in school (I know that’s irrelevant but…) Schools come to

> all sorts of flexible arrangements over individual pupils including

> part-time schooling and holding children back a year, however, neither

> are seen as the norm and it is generally not liked and discouraged.

> Try pushing for it? write to the school in question (if there is one)

> and talk about ’s needs and how you are looking for a place where

> they can be met rather having to shoe-horn him into a provision that

> doesn’t suit him at all, won’t meet his needs and will cause him to

> fail. It might help if you word it right. I think schooling for our

> kids is sooooo difficult. I’m having problems too and I hear so many

> problems so often. Keep talking us through it. I’m very interested and

> concerned for how it turns out.

>

> SARA

>

> * Re: Re: OT: Starting School

> (again, sorry)

>

> If this is true, then it's great news, unfortunately it's not what

> we are being told by anyone - the schools that we have spoken to

> have told us that if we applied next year they would shove him

> into Year 1 and skip reception! That's the worst possible scenario

> that we could have. Do you know where this is written down? Where

> is the law stated? I don't have a clue where to find it.

>

> thanks for the info,

>

> Darla

>

> In a message dated 12/01/2008 15:30:37 GMT Standard Time,

> bbrowne123@... writes:

>

> if you are sending to school, must be in school first term

> after they

> turn 5. so if your child turns five in february, he does not

> have to go

> to school until the following september that year.

>

> Our own boy is going to be 5 next month. He wont have to go to

> school

> until he is 5 and almost 7 months.

> we held him back a year in nursery, i.e. he did 2 years of

> nursery

> (mind you he is not in nursery now as we are homeschooling.

>

>

> >

> > Hi All,

> > We are having tremendous difficulty with being told widely

> varying

> things

> > about what will happen if we hold back a year (he

> wouldn't start

> reception

> > until he would be 5years and 4 months old). We understand

> that the

> law

> > states that he must be in education when he turns 5. Can someone

> point me to

> > this " law " in written format or perhaps the guiding code of

> practice

> for

> > education?

> >

> > Thanks very much,

> > Darla x

> >

>

>

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18:09

>

[Guest guest]

It

is definitely true Darla that they must start the term after they are 5. that’s why Tom has just started – he’s

just 5. I think it’s written everywhere – have a look at the LEA’s

website. The difficulty lies, probably with when their intakes are. Plymouth schools have Sep and Jan

– well some of them. I don’t think many schools have April intakes

and then I suppose they prefer to take people earlier rather than later. You don’t

have to send him til then for definite but the reception/ year 1 thing is more

difficult. How old is he now?

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From:

Autism-Biomedical-Europe

[mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of rexel45@...

Sent: 12 January 2008 15:49

To:

Autism-Biomedical-Europe

Subject: Re:

Re: OT: Starting School (again, sorry)

If this

is true, then it's great news, unfortunately it's not what we are being told by

anyone - the schools that we have spoken to have told us that if we applied

next year they would shove him into Year 1 and skip reception! That's the

worst possible scenario that we could have. Do you know where this is

written down? Where is the law stated? I don't have a clue where to

find it.

thanks

for the info,

Darla

In a

message dated 12/01/2008 15:30:37 GMT Standard Time, bbrowne123

writes:

if you are sending to school, must be in

school first term after they

turn 5. so if your child turns five in february, he does not have to go

to school until the following september that year.

Our own boy is going to be 5 next month. He wont have to go to school

until he is 5 and almost 7 months.

we held him back a year in nursery, i.e. he did 2 years of nursery

(mind you he is not in nursery now as we are homeschooling.

>

> Hi All,

> We are having tremendous difficulty with being told widely varying

things

> about what will happen if we hold back a year (he wouldn't start

reception

> until he would be 5years and 4 months old). We understand that the

law

> states that he must be in education when he turns 5. Can someone

point me to

> this " law " in written format or perhaps the guiding code of

practice

for

> education?

>

> Thanks very much,

> Darla x

>

[Guest guest]

It’s

very irritating but here are a few things I’ve worked out. You have a

right to home educate but LEA’s don’t like it and think a child

should be in school (I know that’s irrelevant but…) Schools come to

all sorts of flexible arrangements over individual pupils including part-time

schooling and holding children back a year, however, neither are seen as the

norm and it is generally not liked and discouraged. Try pushing for it? write to the school in question (if there is one) and talk

about ’s needs and how you are looking for a place where they can be

met rather having to shoe-horn him into a provision that doesn’t suit him

at all, won’t meet his needs and will cause him to fail. It might help if

you word it right. I think schooling for our kids is sooooo

difficult. I’m having problems too and I hear so many problems so often. Keep

talking us through it. I’m very interested and concerned for how it turns

out.

SARA

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From: Autism-Biomedical-Europe [mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of rexel45@...

Sent: 12 January

2008 16:18

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

Subject: Re:

Re: OT: Starting School (again, sorry)

He is 3

years 8 months old right now - he's a May baby so he would be 4 years and 3

months old when he started reception. We haven't found a school that we

like that will do a Jan intake and certainly not one that would do a spring

intake. I'll have a look around and see if I can find it written

somewhere on the LEA site.

We

are so confused as every single person that we speak to tells us something

different. The independent school tells us they place according to

ability anyway and don't care what age a child is but then the secondary

independent school told us that they wouldn't accept a child " out of his

year " . It's such conflicting messages and very confusing and frankly

irritating!

Thanks

very much for the info.

Darla

In a

message dated 12/01/2008 16:07:55 GMT Standard Time, Moroza-Tiscali (DOT) co.uk

writes:

It

is definitely true Darla that they must start the term after they are 5. that’s why Tom has just started – he’s

just 5. I think it’s written everywhere – have a look at the

LEA’s website. The difficulty lies, probably with when their intakes are.

Plymouth schools have Sep and Jan – well some of

them. I don’t think many schools have April intakes and then I suppose

they prefer to take people earlier rather than later. You don’t have to

send him til then for definite but the reception/ year 1 thing is more

difficult. How old is he now?

-----Original

Message-----

From: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

[mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of rexel45aol

Sent: 12 January 2008 15:49

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

Subject: Re:

Re: OT: Starting School (again, sorry)

If this is true, then it's great news,

unfortunately it's not what we are being told by anyone - the schools that we

have spoken to have told us that if we applied next year they would shove him

into Year 1 and skip reception! That's the worst possible scenario that

we could have. Do you know where this is written down? Where is the

law stated? I don't have a clue where to find it.

thanks for the info,

Darla

In a message dated 12/01/2008

15:30:37 GMT Standard Time, bbrowne123 writes:

if you are sending to

school, must be in school first term after they

turn 5. so if your child turns five in february, he does not have to go

to school until the following september that year.

Our own boy is going to be 5 next month. He wont have to go to school

until he is 5 and almost 7 months.

we held him back a year in nursery, i.e. he did 2 years of nursery

(mind you he is not in nursery now as we are homeschooling.

>

> Hi All,

> We are having tremendous difficulty with being told widely varying

things

> about what will happen if we hold back a year (he wouldn't start

reception

> until he would be 5years and 4 months old). We understand that the

law

> states that he must be in education when he turns 5. Can someone

point me to

> this " law " in written format or perhaps the guiding code of

practice

for

> education?

>

> Thanks very much,

> Darla x

>