Re: 190 vs 151 proof grain alcohol

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What big city are you near? I may have some solutions for you...

Pueblo

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> Hi All,

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> What are the consequences of using 151 Everclear instead of 190 Everclear?�

I live in California and I don't think that they sell 190 here.� �

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> Also I have read about adding alcohol to EOs to extend their shelf life or to

dilute to 10%.� If it takes a month or more to age perfumes, do you have to

let your EO sit for a month before you use it after adding alcohol?

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> Thank you,

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> Jane

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I live in the San Joaquin Valley between Modesto & Fresno.

Jane

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> I live in the San Joaquin Valley between Modesto & Fresno.

> Jane

Then I think you might consider a trip to Las Vegas.

Currently, the 190 Proof Version is not available in Cal or Nev.

*BUT* there is Polish 192 Proof Spirytus

http://www.winechateau.com/vsku1087157.html?utm_source=Google

Products & utm_medium=feed & utm_campaign=POLMOS VODKA SPIRYTUS 192@

Obtainable in Las Vegas.

Quoted from a seller in England:

" Spirytus Delikatesowy Vodka

At a full 95% alcohol by volume, this is the strongest spirit on the commercial

market. Alcohol at this strength can be very dangerous if consumed to excess -

this should never be drunk neat, but rather used very sparingly as a 'float' to

give cocktails an extra kick. "

I just called the US Distributors, and left a message for the National Sales

Manager, we'll see if they return my call, I am wondering if it is available in

the 192 version in California. I'll post the answer if I hear from him...

Pueblo

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Hello perfumers,

I would love to have the answer to this question since here in NC they only have

the 151 proof Everclear (I checked this thread and couldn't find the answer,

only suggestions as to where to find the 190 proof).

So what does everyone think, okay to use the 151 proof or is 190 absolutely

essential?

Thanks for your help,

Hanna

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So what does everyone think, okay to use the 151 proof or is 190 absolutely

essential?

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namaste hannah!

" okay " is a funny word. of course it's " okay " ... this is your art! who is to say

a crayon is better than a watercolor? but here's the thing: everclear (to me)

has a distinct scent. and it doesn't have the lift of 190 proof.  certainly i

think a LOT of us order their alcohol as i am sure not everyone has an organic

distillery in their town... or even a denatured alcohol vendor. If you are

interested in vendors who have this available, we can help you with that too.

meanwhile, don't let anything deter you from making your art... it longs to be

born and breathe and be breathed in! much light to you! einsof

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Hi there,

I've been using 190 Everclear and that has a distinct scent too, at least to my

nose...would grape alcohol be better? Also, how does this compare to 'perfumer's

alcohol " ? I don't have issues getting the 190 here in Florida.

Thanks and have a great day

Isis

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namaste hannah!

" okay " is a funny word. of course it's " okay " ... this is your art! who is to say

a crayon is better than a watercolor? but here's the thing: everclear (to me)

has a distinct scent. and it doesn't have the lift of 190 proof.  certainly i

think a LOT of us order their alcohol as i am sure not everyone has an organic

distillery in their town... or even a denatured alcohol vendor. If you are

interested in vendors who have this available, we can help you with that too.

meanwhile, don't let anything deter you from making your art... it longs to be

born and breathe and be breathed in! much light to you! einsof

Thanks for your input einsof. Yes, could you recommend vendors for denatured

alcohol? I would like to compare it with what I'm using now. And no, I don't

think anything can slow me down now - after making my first four perfume blends

I'm hooked!

~Hanna

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I'd highly recommend Alchemical Solutions for ordering alcohol in states where

you can't get the high octane alki that we need. They have both Grain and Grape

190 Proof--delivered to your doorstep! I use both--great stuff!

If you give them a call, tell them JK sent you their way! =)

Alchemical Solutions: organicalcohol.com/

 

JK DeLapp

Old-School Foods, LLC

www.ReturnToEdenOrganics.com

The Rising Phoenix Group

www.TheRisingPhoenixPerfumery.com

jkdelapp@...

[Guest guest]

> I would love to have the answer to this question since here in NC they

only have the 151 proof Everclear (I checked this thread and couldn't find

the answer, only suggestions as to where to find the 190 proof).

> So what does everyone think, okay to use the 151 proof or is 190

absolutely essential?

Hi Hanna:

There is a little trick to using alcohol in perfumes. Remember, you are

basically making an emulsion when you add the oil to the alcohol (kind of

like making mayonnaise). The oil is dispersed into microscopic droplets so

small that the liquid appears to be clear. The stronger the alcohol, the

better your chance of achieving a clear emulsion.

If your formula calls for water or hydrosol, leave it until the last step.

Dissolve the oils in the alcohol and let them sit for a few days to

completely disperse. Then very slowly stir in the water, drop by drop.

Stop if it starts to cloud up.

If you wind up with a cloudy mixture, set it aside overnight to see if it

clears up on it's own. If not, there are several methods to try and clarify

it:

Run it through a coffee filter packed with unscented starch, talc or

magnesia

Add more pure alcohol

Refrigerate the liquid and strain through a paper filter.

Use an artificial emulsifier like polysorbate 20 (but since we are

discussing " natural " methods of perfuming, this would be the last resort)

You will, of course, lose a small amount of your precious perfume in doing

this, so it's really better to try and keep it from clouding up in the first

place.

HTH,

Cat

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" okay " is a funny word. of course it's " okay " ... this is your art! who is to

say a crayon is better than a watercolor? but here's the thing: everclear

(to me) has a distinct scent. and it doesn't have the lift of 190 proof.

certainly i think a LOT of us order their alcohol as i am sure not everyone

has an organic distillery in their town... or even a denatured alcohol

vendor. If you are interested in vendors who have this available, we can

help you with that too. meanwhile, don't let anything deter you from making

your art... it longs to be born and breathe and be breathed in! much light

to you!

Everclear is alcohol distilled from grain, usually corn. It contains fusel

oils that are a natural part of the process. These are what give it a nasty

burn or " rocket fuel nuance " ! Pure alcohol has no odor.

You can try filtering the alcohol through activated aquarium charcoal to try

and remove these, but there are some really lovely grape alcohol bases made

especially for perfume making.

HTH,

Cat

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Everclear is alcohol distilled from grain, usually corn. It contains fusel

oils that are a natural part of the process. These are what give it a nasty

burn or " rocket fuel nuance " ! Pure alcohol has no odor.

You can try filtering the alcohol through activated aquarium charcoal to try

and remove these, but there are some really lovely grape alcohol bases made

especially for perfume making.

HTH,

Cat

Thank you Cat for this and your other response. It's interesting how you said

that using a higher percentage of alcohol will improve clarity.

I think I might try out the grape alcohol bases, but I had heard that there was

a slightly fruity scent, which I wanted to avoid.

Thank you,

Hanna

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>

> Hello perfumers,

>

> I would love to have the answer to this question since here in NC they only

have the 151 proof Everclear (I checked this thread and couldn't find the

answer, only suggestions as to where to find the 190 proof).

>

> So what does everyone think, okay to use the 151 proof or is 190 absolutely

essential?

>

> Thanks for your help,

> Hanna

>

and yes, 190 proof is absolutely essential!

Maggie

[Guest guest]

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> Everclear is alcohol distilled from grain, usually corn. It contains fusel

> oils that are a natural part of the process. These are what give it a nasty

> burn or " rocket fuel nuance " ! Pure alcohol has no odor.

>

> You can try filtering the alcohol through activated aquarium charcoal to try

> and remove these, but there are some really lovely grape alcohol bases made

> especially for perfume making.

>

> HTH,

> Cat

>

> Thank you Cat for this and your other response. It's interesting how you said

that using a higher percentage of alcohol will improve clarity.

>

> I think I might try out the grape alcohol bases, but I had heard that there

was a slightly fruity scent, which I wanted to avoid.

>

Hi Hanna, Cat, and Folks...

Essential Oils and absolutes are soluble in purer ethanol, as a general

rule....They are *not* soluble in water....

The reason the higher percentage alcohol results in greater clarity, is

there is less water, as part of the alcohol mixture....A 151 proof

alcohol is nearly 25% water....A 190 proof is only 5%....So.....it

dissolves the essences better....

As far as the sharp of Everclear, I have had success using a Brita type

filter...That knocks it down....

At one time, Here in Wisconsin, I was able to find a 190 Proof Vodka

(Ambur 190)...Vodka has the filtering done........

One issue, in ordering alcohol, is the scope of the minimum that some

alcohol suppliers have, as well as shipping charges.....That is why I

went the Everclear 190 route...

Another Way, if you would, is too make an oil base perfume....The EOs

and some absolutes work well with carrier oils...I use Fractionated

Coconut Oil for the few I've tried...

--

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

A.J.P. (GIA)

[Guest guest]

> Hi Hanna, Cat, and Folks...

>

> Essential Oils and absolutes are soluble in purer ethanol, as a general

> rule....They are *not* soluble in water....

>

> The reason the higher percentage alcohol results in greater clarity, is

> there is less water, as part of the alcohol mixture....A 151 proof

> alcohol is nearly 25% water....A 190 proof is only 5%....So.....it

> dissolves the essences better....

>

> As far as the sharp of Everclear, I have had success using a Brita type

> filter...That knocks it down....

>

> At one time, Here in Wisconsin, I was able to find a 190 Proof Vodka

> (Ambur 190)...Vodka has the filtering done........

>

> One issue, in ordering alcohol, is the scope of the minimum that some

> alcohol suppliers have, as well as shipping charges.....That is why I

> went the Everclear 190 route...

>

> Another Way, if you would, is too make an oil base perfume....The EOs

> and some absolutes work well with carrier oils...I use Fractionated

> Coconut Oil for the few I've tried...

>

>

> --

> W. Bourbonais

> L'Hermite Aromatique

> A.J.P. (GIA)

>

, thanks for the tips and I like your method of using a Brita filter to help

with the Grain alcohol scent. I also appreciate how you mentioned that with

151-proof alcohol the remaining 25% is water, since I had been wondering if that

was the case.

Take care,

Hanna

[Guest guest]

That's a great explanation , thank you for that. It explains why using

lower percentage vodka's don't do as well. But I have another question

perhaps you can answer...I have already tinctured some plant materials, and

roses in the 190 prrof vodka, and although I used extremely fragranced

materials, I can still smell the everclear coming through and I don't like

it.

Can I use the Brita filter after the tincturing, or is this only applicable

before use?

Or would aquatic charcoal work better? I am loathe to discard my collection!

Thank You!

Isis

[Guest guest]

>> Hello perfumers,

>>

>> I would love to have the answer to this question since here in NC they only

have the 151 proof Everclear (I checked this thread and couldn't find the

answer, only suggestions as to where to find the 190 proof).

>>

>> So what does everyone think, okay to use the 151 proof or is 190 absolutely

essential?

>>

>> Thanks for your help,

>> Hanna

>>

Hi Hanna:

A while back, I found an organic sugar cane alcohol supplier in

Texas, but their smallest quantity sold was like a tanker!

Hopefully, yours sells in small quantity. can you share the source?

Anya McCoy

http://AnyasGarden.com

http://PerfumeClasses.com

http://NaturalPerfumers.com

[Guest guest]

> Hi Hanna:

>

> A while back, I found an organic sugar cane alcohol supplier in

> Texas, but their smallest quantity sold was like a tanker!

> Hopefully, yours sells in small quantity. can you share the source?

>

>

> Anya McCoy

> http://AnyasGarden.com

> http://PerfumeClasses.com

> http://NaturalPerfumers.com

>

Hi Anya,

Sure, their name is Ultra Pure, the page I found is:

http://www.ultrapure-usa.com/pages/food.html

From what it looks like under " stock container sizes " the minimum order is 4

gallons. They don't list their prices, but you can e-mail them for a quote.

I'd like to try sugar cane alcohol before I purchase that much, but it seems

like it might be a nice product to work with.

Looking just now I found another company:

http://www.warnergraham.com/products/alcohol.html

They are a little more vague about minimum order quantity, and also the sugar

cane alcohol is not organic. Let me know if you get quotes from either and I'll

do the same

~Hanna

[Guest guest]

> That's a great explanation , thank you for that. It explains why using

> lower percentage vodka's don't do as well. But I have another question

> perhaps you can answer...I have already tinctured some plant materials, and

> roses in the 190 prrof vodka, and although I used extremely fragranced

> materials, I can still smell the everclear coming through and I don't like

> it.

> Can I use the Brita filter after the tincturing, or is this only applicable

> before use?

> Or would aquatic charcoal work better? I am loathe to discard my collection!

Hi Isis......

The Brita filter is essentially activated charcoal....The reason I use

that, is you can get the " bottle " version for about $10....I run the

alky through twice....

I'm not sure how much it will do to your tincture....But activated

charcoal type filter's strength is *removing* odors from water...

You may find with age, the Everclear scent disappears from your

tincture...The nice thing about alcohol base stuff, is that you never

have to worry about mold or any other critters spoiling the mix...

The other thing....you can always use the tincture as the base diluent

for another perfume....Since is made with 190 proof, will work well

dissolving EO and absolute....

Hope that helps.....

--

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

A.J.P. (GIA)

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone -

I also use a Britta filter set aside specifically for my alcohol.  It seems to

help out a lot. 

We can't get 190 proof here in Florida so last time we drove to South Carolina,

I bought a supply to bring back.  Instead of Everclear I got Golden Grain, which

is basically the same thing.  Since I hadn't used it before, I bought a bottle

and sniffed it in the parking lot.  I went back in for three more bottles

because I didn't get any strong scent.

I have used the grape alcohol but, personally, don't like the odor it adds. 

Would love to try sugarcane alcohol!

Elise

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> The other thing....you can always use the tincture as the base diluent

> for another perfume....Since is made with 190 proof, will work well

> dissolving EO and absolute....

And it works well to remove water and any residual scent from freshly-washed

eyedroppers and mixing vials!

Cat

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We can't get 190 proof here in Florida so last time we drove to South

Carolina, I bought a supply to bring back. Instead of Everclear I got Golden

Grain, which is basically the same thing. Since I hadn't used it before, I

bought a bottle and sniffed it in the parking lot. I went back in for three

more bottles because I didn't get any strong scent.

Hi Elise:

Be careful doing that. There are Federal laws about transporting alcohol

across state lines (outdated Prohibition-era stuff).

Does anyone know if it just pertains to the big breweries and distilleries?

Cat

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Great and awesome tips!

Thank you so much!

Isis