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Hi ,

There is an ABA and a Verbal Behaviour group. They are both good to join if you are starting off with ABA.

Jane

OT: ABA

hi hope now one minds me posting this here not sure were else to turn,

we just started ABA with my son Shane and our consultant said to work on complaince have been at this 4 hours a day for two weeks so 40 hours of aba time but he still refuses to comply with any activities he doesn't like and the consultant said just complying with what he wants inst enough I getting worried that I am wasting my time and it will end up likes pecs 5 years later he still dont get that he is 8 years old so has had 8 years of getting his own way any thought, ideas help someone please am i just too impatient patience isnt my strong point.

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melissa,

I'm not quite sure what to say here.

Compliance - one thing I would say is that it's very important that

escape doesn't become the main reason for temporary compliance. It's

not good if eg your child thinks I'll put up with this for X

seconds/minutes so then I can get the hell out of here.

Your consultant needs to explain more and better!

Margaret

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> hi hope now one minds me posting this here not sure were else to

turn,

> we just started ABA with my son Shane and our consultant said to

work on

> complaince have been at this 4 hours a day for two weeks so 40

hours of aba time

> but he still refuses to comply with any activities he doesn't like

and the

> consultant said just complying with what he wants inst enough I

getting worried

> that I am wasting my time and it will end up likes pecs 5 years

later he

> still dont get that he is 8 years old so has had 8 years of

getting his own way

> any thought, ideas help someone please am i just too impatient

patience isnt

> my strong point.

>

> melissaxx

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> Hi ,

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> There is an ABA and a Verbal Behaviour group. They are both good

to join if you are starting off with ABA.

>

> Jane

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Jane,

Sorry to butt in here, but I've just finished reading Schramm's

Verbal Behaviour book and I would like to join a verbal behaviour

yahoo group. Do you have the address by any chance?

Thanks,

Anita

PS: I really found Schramm's book to be excellent, and--in full

disclosure--I am pretty anti-ABA. Schramm addresses almost all of

the problems I personally have with traditional ABA. My head still

aches when I read comments about not wasting time on figuring out why

a kid might be doing something (I immediately think about our kids

who posture over furniture)or that most kids with autism that he

meets are happy (where is he meeting these kids, I wonder?) but VB

does seem to encompass the best of many therapies (I esp like his

part about RDI and VB not being an either/or option) and our

Floortime can easily incorporate a modified VB approach. Thanks to

the people who recommended this book to me--it's been enormously

helpful.

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Hi ,

I'm not sure what "working on compliance" means. Has your supervisor given you specifc ways of working on compliance? Are you using errorless teaching? Effectively you won't ever have (voluntary) compliance unless you get motivation (or reinforcement) under your control. He can be motivated to comply through the use of reinforcement, pairing and errorless teaching.

We try not to put any demands on unless we know that his motivation is high enough to meet the level of demand, if he fails to comply it is considered an error of judgement on the part of the therapist and not "his" problem. (We are not talking about basic usual household demands here.) If it's a task that he doesn't like the motivation must be very high and he must not be allowed to fail at the task.

If was averse to doing something then we just very gradually introduced it into his favourite activites (called pairing) so that he was less averse. Then we faded out the use of the preferred or favourite things until he felt confident doing the things that he previously did not like doing. What type of activities are you trying to do? Are you mixing mastered tasks with acquisition tasks? Introducing too many new things at once will make 's compliance decrease immediately.

I would second someone else's recommendation that you join the yahoo groups - the UK one isn't that great for discussion of practice - the USA VB list is great for professional and parental advice, there are several well respected consultants who participate a lot on the list.

If you think that what you are doing isn't helping your child, then by all means stop until you are absolutely convinced that it's the way for you. If it don't feel good then it's probably not good! Learning should first and foremost be motivating, inspiring and dare I say, fun.

Hang in there,

Darla

PS I hope this doesn't sound too preachy, I don't have time to rewrite it to modify the tone. It's all meant to be helpful, not lordly

hi hope now one minds me posting this here not sure were else to turn,

we just started ABA with my son Shane and our consultant said to work on complaince have been at this 4 hours a day for two weeks so 40 hours of aba time but he still refuses to comply with any activities he doesn't like and the consultant said just complying with what he wants inst enough I getting worried that I am wasting my time and it will end up likes pecs 5 years later he still dont get that he is 8 years old so has had 8 years of getting his own way any thought, ideas help someone please am i just too impatient patience isnt my strong point.

melissaxx

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thanx darla, it wasn't too lordly at all, just i really wasn't having fun, shane's only fun was banging the table the minute my back was turned, not really what i was aiming at

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