RE: Today's Groupon Chiropractic Deal--What's up with this?

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Is this an Oregon DC???Dr. A Caughlin DC CAC155 NW 1st Ave Day, Or. 97845 office fax To: oregondcs From: bluepearl2001@...Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:24:39 +0000Subject: Today's Groupon Chiropractic "Deal"--What's up with this?

Good afernoon, ListmatesI just received a Groupon email featuring a chiropractic 'deal'.Unless I am missing something, the 'deal' is a $49.00 or a $79.00 Groupon (as in that's all you pay) for $675.68 or $755.68 worth of services.That's a 93% discount.[Not sure how they arrived arrive at the .68?]They list the 'values' for all the component of the 'deal':Choose Between Two Options:$49 for a chiropractic package (up to a $675.68 total value)

A consultation, evaluation, and exam (up to a $207.84 value)Spinal x-rays if needed (up to a $213.81 value)15-minute fitness training and guided exercise session (up to a $53.81 value)Up to three adjustments (up to a $200.22 value)

$79 for a chiropractic-and-massage package (up to a $755.68 total value)

A consultation, evaluation, and exam (up to a $207.84 value)Spinal x-rays as needed (up to a $213.81 value)15-minute fitness training and guided exercise session (up to a $53.81 value)Up to three adjustments (up to a $200.22 value)60-minute therapeutic massage (an $80 value)I guess it's no one's business but theirs, but what one chiro office does reflects on all of us and on our profession as a whole.I found the 'total value' of an initial visit, regardless of the 'option' chosen, to be somewhat astounding. Or am I missing the boat? Is that what the rest of y'all are charging???What was more astounding then, was the 93% discount. Really? That makes ASH look like a great deal... I've never seen an MD offer more than a 50% discount... I've never seen a restaurant offer more than a 50% discount.I can hear someone saying to themselves, "So that's probably all that it's worth." Which devalues the treatments we offer by making them look like they are essential worthless.Or "Geez. I had NO idea it was SO EXPENSIVE to see a Chiropractor." Which makes us look shady or ridiculous, like how would anyone be able to afford Chiro care???And after the Groupon user has this initial visit and pays almost nothing for a lot of treatment, how is the chiro office going to present or explain the cost of a second or multiple visits? Extend the 'Groupon' rate for more great savings?? Or now it's going to cost a whole lot more? Must be pretty confusing to the Groupon 'patient'.I just don't get it. Again, maybe it's none of my business, but this does not sit well with me and I wonder how professional or ethical this seems to others??On the other hand, I guess it really IS my business and your business, as our patients will see this 'deal' would wonder what's up with chiropractors?Anyone?Ann , DC

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So who initiated the ad? Someone here in ORegon or is it out of state? skSunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com To: oregondcs From: bluepearl2001@...Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:24:39 +0000Subject: Today's Groupon Chiropractic "Deal"--What's up with this?

Good afernoon, ListmatesI just received a Groupon email featuring a chiropractic 'deal'.Unless I am missing something, the 'deal' is a $49.00 or a $79.00 Groupon (as in that's all you pay) for $675.68 or $755.68 worth of services.That's a 93% discount.[Not sure how they arrived arrive at the .68?]They list the 'values' for all the component of the 'deal':Choose Between Two Options:$49 for a chiropractic package (up to a $675.68 total value)

A consultation, evaluation, and exam (up to a $207.84 value)Spinal x-rays if needed (up to a $213.81 value)15-minute fitness training and guided exercise session (up to a $53.81 value)Up to three adjustments (up to a $200.22 value)

$79 for a chiropractic-and-massage package (up to a $755.68 total value)

A consultation, evaluation, and exam (up to a $207.84 value)Spinal x-rays as needed (up to a $213.81 value)15-minute fitness training and guided exercise session (up to a $53.81 value)Up to three adjustments (up to a $200.22 value)60-minute therapeutic massage (an $80 value)I guess it's no one's business but theirs, but what one chiro office does reflects on all of us and on our profession as a whole.I found the 'total value' of an initial visit, regardless of the 'option' chosen, to be somewhat astounding. Or am I missing the boat? Is that what the rest of y'all are charging???What was more astounding then, was the 93% discount. Really? That makes ASH look like a great deal... I've never seen an MD offer more than a 50% discount... I've never seen a restaurant offer more than a 50% discount.I can hear someone saying to themselves, "So that's probably all that it's worth." Which devalues the treatments we offer by making them look like they are essential worthless.Or "Geez. I had NO idea it was SO EXPENSIVE to see a Chiropractor." Which makes us look shady or ridiculous, like how would anyone be able to afford Chiro care???And after the Groupon user has this initial visit and pays almost nothing for a lot of treatment, how is the chiro office going to present or explain the cost of a second or multiple visits? Extend the 'Groupon' rate for more great savings?? Or now it's going to cost a whole lot more? Must be pretty confusing to the Groupon 'patient'.I just don't get it. Again, maybe it's none of my business, but this does not sit well with me and I wonder how professional or ethical this seems to others??On the other hand, I guess it really IS my business and your business, as our patients will see this 'deal' would wonder what's up with chiropractors?Anyone?Ann , DC

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I wonder if the chiropractor is in Oregon. I thought the OCBE did not want OR chiropractors to get involved with Groupon. I don't know about the coupon world, but in the internet marketing world, your services are worth whatever you say they are. I once had an email from someone wanting $15,000 for a year's service and the marketer claimed it was a good deal because people paid $25,000 for his services. Was it true that people paid that? Who knows.

-- Eileen Machida, DC

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Ann,I agree with you fully. That was the same impression I had when I read the ad. I worry that it denigrates the whole profession. Corll,ville To: oregondcs Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012

12:24 PM Subject: Today's Groupon Chiropractic "Deal"--What's up with this?

Good afernoon, ListmatesI just received a Groupon email featuring a chiropractic 'deal'.Unless I am missing something, the 'deal' is a $49.00 or a $79.00 Groupon (as in that's all you pay) for $675.68 or $755.68 worth of services.That's a 93% discount.[Not sure how they arrived arrive at the .68?]They list the 'values' for all the component of the 'deal':Choose Between Two Options:$49 for a chiropractic package (up to a $675.68 total value)

A consultation, evaluation, and exam (up to a $207.84 value)Spinal x-rays if needed (up to a $213.81 value)15-minute fitness training and guided exercise session (up to a $53.81 value)Up to three adjustments (up to a $200.22 value)

$79 for a chiropractic-and-massage package (up to a $755.68 total value)

A consultation, evaluation, and exam (up to a $207.84 value)Spinal x-rays as needed (up to a $213.81 value)15-minute fitness training and guided exercise session (up to a $53.81 value)Up to three adjustments (up to a $200.22 value)60-minute therapeutic massage (an $80 value)I guess it's no one's business but theirs, but what one chiro office does reflects on all of us and on our profession as a whole.I found the 'total value' of an initial visit, regardless of the 'option' chosen, to be somewhat astounding. Or am I missing the boat? Is that what the rest of y'all are charging???What was more astounding then, was the 93% discount. Really? That makes ASH look like a great deal... I've never seen an MD offer more than a 50% discount... I've never seen a restaurant offer more than a 50%

discount.I can hear someone saying to themselves, "So that's probably all that it's worth." Which devalues the treatments we offer by making them look like they are essential worthless.Or "Geez. I had NO idea it was SO EXPENSIVE to see a Chiropractor." Which makes us look shady or ridiculous, like how would anyone be able to afford Chiro care???And after the Groupon user has this initial visit and pays almost nothing for a lot of treatment, how is the chiro office going to present or explain the cost of a second or multiple visits? Extend the 'Groupon' rate for more great savings?? Or now it's going to cost a whole lot more? Must be pretty confusing to the Groupon 'patient'.I just don't get it. Again, maybe it's none of my business, but this does not sit well with me and I wonder how professional or ethical this seems to others??On the other hand, I

guess it really IS my business and your business, as our patients will see this 'deal' would wonder what's up with chiropractors?Anyone?Ann , DC

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This is from a current OBCE board member's office.  Did the rules change for the Board members?Shane E. Espinoza, D.C., C.C.S.P.®, CKTPCertified Chiropractic Sports Physician®Certified Graston Technique Provider

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There is a HUGE billboard in Salem that advertises an entire first

Dental exam, x-rays and cleaning, I believe, for  $1.00.  So it

isn't just us that do these distasteful ads.

Ron Grice, DC

Albany, OR

 

Good afernoon, Listmates

I just received a Groupon email featuring a chiropractic

'deal'.

Unless I am missing something, the 'deal'  is a $49.00 or

a $79.00 Groupon (as in that's all you pay) for $675.68 or

$755.68  worth of services.

That's a 93% discount.

[Not sure how they arrived arrive at the .68?]

They list the 'values' for all the component of the

'deal':

Choose

Between Two Options:

$49 for a chiropractic package (up to a $675.68 total

value)

A consultation, evaluation, and exam (up to a

$207.84 value)

Spinal x-rays if needed (up to a $213.81 value)

15-minute fitness training and guided exercise

session (up to a $53.81 value)

Up to three adjustments (up to a $200.22 value)

$79 for a

chiropractic-and-massage package (up to a $755.68 total

value)

A consultation, evaluation, and exam (up to a

$207.84 value)

Spinal x-rays as needed (up to a $213.81 value)

15-minute fitness training and guided exercise

session (up to a $53.81 value)

Up to three adjustments (up to a $200.22 value)

60-minute therapeutic massage (an $80 value)

I guess it's no one's business but theirs, but what one

chiro office does reflects on all of us and on our

profession as a whole.

I found the 'total value' of an initial visit, regardless

of the 'option' chosen, to be somewhat astounding.   Or am

I missing the boat?  Is that what the rest of  y'all are

charging???

What was more astounding then, was the 93% discount.  

Really?  That makes ASH look like a great deal... 

I've never seen an MD offer more than a 50% discount... 

I've never seen a restaurant offer more than a 50%

discount.

I can hear someone saying to themselves, "So that's

probably all that it's worth."

     Which devalues the treatments we offer by making them

look like they are essential worthless.

Or "Geez.  I had NO idea it was SO EXPENSIVE to see a

Chiropractor." 

     Which makes us look shady or ridiculous, like how

would anyone be able to afford Chiro care???

And after the Groupon user has this initial visit and pays

almost nothing for a lot of treatment, how is the chiro

office going to present or explain the cost of a second or

multiple visits?  Extend the 'Groupon' rate for more great

savings??  Or now it's going to cost a whole lot more?

Must be pretty confusing to the Groupon 'patient'.

I just don't get it.  Again, maybe it's none of my

business, but this does not sit well with me and I wonder

how professional or ethical this seems to others??

On the other hand, I guess it really IS my business and

your business, as our patients will see this 'deal' would

wonder what's up with chiropractors?

Anyone?

Ann , DC

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My wife showed me a similar ad a few weeks ago.  The OBCE clearly said that these types of ads are illegal here in the state of Oregon.  Someone needs to inform the doc who is doing these ads.  They are distasteful and Illegal!!

Schneider DCPDX

 

This is from a current OBCE board member's office.  Did the rules change for the Board members?Shane E. Espinoza, D.C., C.C.S.P.®, CKTPCertified Chiropractic Sports Physician®

Certified Graston Technique Provider

Certified Kinesio Taping PractitionerCertified Fenzian Sport PractitionerYo hablo españolHealthSource® of North PlainsChiropractic & Progressive Rehab™10355 NW Glencoe Road, Suite BNorth Plains, OR 97133

Clinic # @DrShaneSports

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-- Schneider DC PDX

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Could someone please tell me the name of the doctor or clinic?  I’ve just read these emails been in legislative meetings all morning..thanks, Vern Saboe From: oregondcs [mailto:oregondcs ] On Behalf Of bluepearl2001@...Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:25 PMTo: oregondcs Subject: Today's Groupon Chiropractic " Deal " --What's up with this? Good afernoon, ListmatesI just received a Groupon email featuring a chiropractic 'deal'.Unless I am missing something, the 'deal' is a $49.00 or a $79.00 Groupon (as in that's all you pay) for $675.68 or $755.68 worth of services.That's a 93% discount.[Not sure how they arrived arrive at the .68?]They list the 'values' for all the component of the 'deal':Choose Between Two Options:$49 for a chiropractic package (up to a $675.68 total value)A consultation, evaluation, and exam (up to a $207.84 value)Spinal x-rays if needed (up to a $213.81 value)15-minute fitness training and guided exercise session (up to a $53.81 value)Up to three adjustments (up to a $200.22 value)$79 for a chiropractic-and-massage package (up to a $755.68 total value)A consultation, evaluation, and exam (up to a $207.84 value)Spinal x-rays as needed (up to a $213.81 value)15-minute fitness training and guided exercise session (up to a $53.81 value)Up to three adjustments (up to a $200.22 value)60-minute therapeutic massage (an $80 value)I guess it's no one's business but theirs, but what one chiro office does reflects on all of us and on our profession as a whole.I found the 'total value' of an initial visit, regardless of the 'option' chosen, to be somewhat astounding. Or am I missing the boat? Is that what the rest of y'all are charging???What was more astounding then, was the 93% discount. Really? That makes ASH look like a great deal... I've never seen an MD offer more than a 50% discount... I've never seen a restaurant offer more than a 50% discount.I can hear someone saying to themselves, " So that's probably all that it's worth. " Which devalues the treatments we offer by making them look like they are essential worthless.Or " Geez. I had NO idea it was SO EXPENSIVE to see a Chiropractor. " Which makes us look shady or ridiculous, like how would anyone be able to afford Chiro care???And after the Groupon user has this initial visit and pays almost nothing for a lot of treatment, how is the chiro office going to present or explain the cost of a second or multiple visits? Extend the 'Groupon' rate for more great savings?? Or now it's going to cost a whole lot more? Must be pretty confusing to the Groupon 'patient'.I just don't get it. Again, maybe it's none of my business, but this does not sit well with me and I wonder how professional or ethical this seems to others??On the other hand, I guess it really IS my business and your business, as our patients will see this 'deal' would wonder what's up with chiropractors?Anyone?Ann , DC

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Who???  Vern Saboe From: oregondcs [mailto:oregondcs ] On Behalf Of Shane EspinozaSent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 1:09 PMTo: bluepearl2001@...Cc: oregondcs Subject: Re: Today's Groupon Chiropractic " Deal " --What's up with this? This is from a current OBCE board member's office. Did the rules change for the Board members?Shane E. Espinoza, D.C., C.C.S.P.®, CKTPCertified Chiropractic Sports Physician®Certified Graston Technique ProviderCertified Kinesio Taping PractitionerCertified Fenzian Sport PractitionerYo hablo españolHealthSource® of North PlainsChiropractic & Progressive Rehab™10355 NW Glencoe Road, Suite BNorth Plains, OR 97133Clinic # @DrShaneSportsFacebookWeb: http://www.northplainschiro.com/YouTube http://hsnorthplains.wordpress.com/CONFIDENTIAL NOTICEThis E-mail transmission contains confidential or legally privilegedinformation, which is intended only for the use of the individual or entitynamed in this transmittal. If you are not the intended recipient, you arehereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance uponthe contents of this E-mail is strictly prohibited. If you received thistransmission in error, please notify us immediately, and please forward theE-mail back to us with notification that you have deleted the transmissionfrom your system.

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It is my understanding that Groupon has changed it's billing policy and now allows Chiropractors to buy an ad rather than paying a percentage of each Groupon puchased thus avoiding the fee spliting.

Lonnie

To: drespinoza@...; bluepearl2001@...CC: oregondcs From: vsaboe@...Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 14:56:16 -0700Subject: RE: Today's Groupon Chiropractic "Deal"--What's up with this?

Who??? Vern Saboe

From: oregondcs [mailto:oregondcs ] On Behalf Of Shane EspinozaSent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 1:09 PMTo: bluepearl2001@...Cc: oregondcs Subject: Re: Today's Groupon Chiropractic "Deal"--What's up with this?

This is from a current OBCE board member's office. Did the rules change for the Board members?Shane E. Espinoza, D.C., C.C.S.P.®, CKTPCertified Chiropractic Sports Physician®Certified Graston Technique ProviderCertified Kinesio Taping PractitionerCertified Fenzian Sport PractitionerYo hablo españolHealthSource® of North PlainsChiropractic & Progressive Rehab™10355 NW Glencoe Road, Suite BNorth Plains, OR 97133Clinic # @DrShaneSportsFacebookWeb: http://www.northplainschiro.com/YouTube http://hsnorthplains.wordpress.com/CONFIDENTIAL NOTICEThis E-mail transmission contains confidential or legally privilegedinformation, which is intended only for the use of the individual or entitynamed in this transmittal. If you are not the intended recipient, you arehereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance uponthe contents of this E-mail is strictly prohibited. If you received thistransmission in error, please notify us immediately, and please forward theE-mail back to us with notification that you have deleted the transmissionfrom your system.