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>

> This is something we have not come to as yet but planning to. What

> exactly would the viral protocol entail?

There's a file in the file section that might help you. It needs to

be updated again, but it does cover quite a bit about what a viral

protocol can look like.

> Norman is on therapeutic doses of B6 and also has additional B

complex

> and magnesium. We've been on TMG for over 8 months at 750mg,

maybe

> moving the dose to later in the day perhaps???

Maybe consider increasing it? I know for my son we had him on

pretty high doses of DMG and at that we would get hypractivity. I now

have him at about 1000 mgs a day.

We've tried Idebenone,

> would it work the same way as CoQ10?

I'm not sure about that. People seem to disagree and I don't know

enough science to have an opinion.

..

>

> Anyway, maybe some sort of protocol to produce hyperactivity during

> the day, and another to reduce it at night (5htp as I mentioned

> before has helped here, but also GABA, mag, etc) might help.

> Did try GABA for a short period, when trying to see if it would calm

> seizures down some, but there was no effect on sleep. I have to

say

> though that when he was on tryptophan there seemed to be some very

> subtle changes to his sleep but it was not really obvious. We ran

out

> of the tryptophan, just at the time when starting complex amino

acids

> which included the tryptohan.

>

> What is interesting though is the first amino acid test thru IWDL

> indicated tryptophan levels to be Low at 24 (ref range 23 - 58) and

> 6months later after the amino complex his 2nd amino acid test

> (metametrix) tryptophan levels were improved at 33.

>

> Given these results, would his first level of 24 have contributed

or be

> the cause of the sleep problems? Unfortunately we ran out of the

> complex and our DAN felt it was worth doing a repeat amino test

before

> supplementing further. Maybe with further amino's including

> tryptophan, the sleep problem could resolve, what do you think? We

have

> only just restarted the complex amino's.

This is only my really uneducated opinion, but I would use 5HTP as a

seperate supp from an amino complex (although I would also use an

amino complex as they can be VERY helpful for lethargic kids). I

have a feeling that the levels of certain things our kids need might

measure normal, but really they are low (per study). So, I

wouldn't hesitate to go higher with the 5 HTP and see if it helps

sleep. I give ds his about an hour before I hope he'll sleep.

>

> I would also consider trying to get any help possible from

absolutely

> any source to engage your child as manically as possible during the

> days, even if it's only for a short burst like one week, just to try

> to break the cycle somewhat. Family, friends, siblings,

> therapists? Since we've pulled Kolja far enough along to make him

> able to laugh, we've seen sleep improvements. I think part of it is

> the releasing of endorphins. He feels better, less anxious, and

> therefore can sleep more soundly.

>

> Very good idea! but not such an easy task over here with the

attitude

> people have towards epilepsy, that together with his extremely poor

> balance, coordination, his size and the fact that he needs someone

to

> actually hold his hand to keep him from crashing to the floor and

just

> being very bad at managing his body makes it a very hard task to

keep

> him up or on his feet.

I know. We've only ever found one person who was actually good at

working with Kolja. The rest, even with good intentions, weren't

athletic enough. Some just didn't even have good intentions.

>

> I've often thought that the best therapist I could hire for my son

> would be a hyperactive, overachieving, former Olympic gymnast who

> loves kids. Someone who could expend the incredible energy that it

> takes (beyond normal human capacity, IMO) to engage Kolja all day

and

> do the things that will keep him happy (jumping, throwing him in the

> air, running up and down hills, etc).

>

> Not sure if any of this will be of any help at all. Do know that

> I'm thinking of you both. Everything becomes so very difficult with

> no sleep :-(

> Thank you so much Anita, it helps to bounce ideas, suggestions back

and

> forth and there are points here that are worth thinking of.

>

> I hope you and your family are settling in into life over here and

that

> your things arrived okay.

We're doing well. Still loving it here :-) Thank you!

My best to you also,

Anita

>

> my best wishes to you,

>

> emily xx

> Fondly,

> Anita

>

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Dear Anita,

I appreciate very much the points you've made. Will definitely look at

the 5Htp and the others one by one.

thanks very much :)

emily xx

> >

>

> >

> > This is something we have not come to as yet but planning to. What

> > exactly would the viral protocol entail?

>

> There's a file in the file section that might help you. It needs to

> be updated again, but it does cover quite a bit about what a viral

> protocol can look like.

>

>

> > Norman is on therapeutic doses of B6 and also has additional B

> complex

> > and magnesium. We've been on TMG for over 8 months at 750mg,

> maybe

> > moving the dose to later in the day perhaps???

>

> Maybe consider increasing it? I know for my son we had him on

> pretty high doses of DMG and at that we would get hypractivity. I now

> have him at about 1000 mgs a day.

>

>

> We've tried Idebenone,

> > would it work the same way as CoQ10?

>

>

> I'm not sure about that. People seem to disagree and I don't know

> enough science to have an opinion.

>

>

> .

> >

> > Anyway, maybe some sort of protocol to produce hyperactivity during

> > the day, and another to reduce it at night (5htp as I mentioned

> > before has helped here, but also GABA, mag, etc) might help.

> > Did try GABA for a short period, when trying to see if it would calm

> > seizures down some, but there was no effect on sleep. I have to

> say

> > though that when he was on tryptophan there seemed to be some very

> > subtle changes to his sleep but it was not really obvious. We ran

> out

> > of the tryptophan, just at the time when starting complex amino

> acids

> > which included the tryptohan.

> >

> > What is interesting though is the first amino acid test thru IWDL

> > indicated tryptophan levels to be Low at 24 (ref range 23 - 58) and

> > 6months later after the amino complex his 2nd amino acid test

> > (metametrix) tryptophan levels were improved at 33.

> >

> > Given these results, would his first level of 24 have contributed

> or be

> > the cause of the sleep problems? Unfortunately we ran out of the

> > complex and our DAN felt it was worth doing a repeat amino test

> before

> > supplementing further. Maybe with further amino's including

> > tryptophan, the sleep problem could resolve, what do you think? We

> have

> > only just restarted the complex amino's.

>

>

> This is only my really uneducated opinion, but I would use 5HTP as a

> seperate supp from an amino complex (although I would also use an

> amino complex as they can be VERY helpful for lethargic kids). I

> have a feeling that the levels of certain things our kids need might

> measure normal, but really they are low (per study). So, I

> wouldn't hesitate to go higher with the 5 HTP and see if it helps

> sleep. I give ds his about an hour before I hope he'll sleep.

>

>

> >

> > I would also consider trying to get any help possible from

> absolutely

> > any source to engage your child as manically as possible during the

> > days, even if it's only for a short burst like one week, just to try

> > to break the cycle somewhat. Family, friends, siblings,

> > therapists? Since we've pulled Kolja far enough along to make him

> > able to laugh, we've seen sleep improvements. I think part of it is

> > the releasing of endorphins. He feels better, less anxious, and

> > therefore can sleep more soundly.

> >

> > Very good idea! but not such an easy task over here with the

> attitude

> > people have towards epilepsy, that together with his extremely poor

> > balance, coordination, his size and the fact that he needs someone

> to

> > actually hold his hand to keep him from crashing to the floor and

> just

> > being very bad at managing his body makes it a very hard task to

> keep

> > him up or on his feet.

>

>

> I know. We've only ever found one person who was actually good at

> working with Kolja. The rest, even with good intentions, weren't

> athletic enough. Some just didn't even have good intentions.

>

>

>

> >

> > I've often thought that the best therapist I could hire for my son

> > would be a hyperactive, overachieving, former Olympic gymnast who

> > loves kids. Someone who could expend the incredible energy that it

> > takes (beyond normal human capacity, IMO) to engage Kolja all day

> and

> > do the things that will keep him happy (jumping, throwing him in the

> > air, running up and down hills, etc).

> >

> > Not sure if any of this will be of any help at all. Do know that

> > I'm thinking of you both. Everything becomes so very difficult with

> > no sleep :-(

> > Thank you so much Anita, it helps to bounce ideas, suggestions back

> and

> > forth and there are points here that are worth thinking of.

> >

> > I hope you and your family are settling in into life over here and

> that

> > your things arrived okay.

>

> We're doing well. Still loving it here :-) Thank you!

>

>

> My best to you also,

>

> Anita

>

>

> >

> > my best wishes to you,

> >

> > emily xx

> > Fondly,

> > Anita

> >

>

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Thank

you very much Alison, with all you have on your plate you’ve taken time

to write that! when I read this advice I have a gut

feeling about hwat will work and what won’t. a few people have said big blankets, etc but Tom really

overheats at night and sweats. He also kicks everything off and strips all his

clothes off so I don’t think he’d tolerate it. even

as a little baby he wouldn’t tolerate a baby sleeping bag. He has the E.S

baths and they don’t help. I’ve recently tried the E.S. compress on

the thyroid which didn’t help either. BUT I have a real feeling about the

lavender oil. Too late for tonight but I’ll get some tomorrow and let you

know. I could try activated charcoal. We’ve done it before but I wasn’t

looking for a sleep reaction from it so I’ll have another go. thanks again, SARA

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To:

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Subject:

sleep

Sara

Catching up on some back posts here, anything to avoid

annual review documents!

Our sleep tips, not infallible, and have recently had 3

nights on the trot of 4am waking, and not going back to sleep.

1.Buy a large

weighted blanket from ROMPA/Southpaw – expensive but worth every penny.

It seems to soothe him

2.Epsom Salts Baths

– have even had them in the middle of the night

3.Lavender oil in the

bath and sprinkled on the pillow

4.Activated Charcoal

– I always reckon that if they are up between 2-4am this is

YEAST – Dr Usman once told me to give activated charcoal capsules, and

amazingly one night it worked, so I always try to remember to try it.

Remember sleep deprivation is torture, and we are all with

you, I can’t decide if this is the hardest bit, or that the sleep

deprivation is the straw that breaks the camel’s already overloaded

back… good luck!

Alison

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It is currently taking him quite long to get to sleep – but an hour rather than 4 hours and he is then sleeping til 7 or 8 in the morning. Hope it lasts! SARA

>>Me too!

Mandi x

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Hi everyone,

Although there are always so many other factors

involved with autism (he’s got a cold, some supplements stopped, others

increased, etc) I may have found a solution to Tom’s sleeping problem

(touching lots of wood).

After reading people’s advice on keeping the

child warm, weighted blankets, etc it got me thinking about Tom and to cut a

long story short I now do the complete opposite - put him to bed without any

pyjamas – just a nappy - and

with the window wide open (so the room is icy) he still kicks the duvet off and

his sleep is very good. It is currently taking him quite long to get to sleep –

but an hour rather than 4 hours and he is then sleeping til 7 or 8 in the

morning. Hope it lasts! SARA

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