Re: Supplier Price Comparisons

[Guest guest]

> Hi, all! I just finished researching where I'm going to buy my first natural

perfumery ingredients, and I thought I'd share my results here for other newbies

(and of course if more experienced perfumers want to peek and comment on my

choices I wouldn't say no [?] ).

I host a discussion group about Aromatherapy, on the website Ravelry (knitting

and fiber arts site) and here is my recommended vendor list for cosmetics and

soap makers:

CH-Imports LTD www.chimports.com

Essentially Oils www.essentiallyoils.com

Essential Wholesale www.essentialwholesale.com

From Nature With Love www.fromnaturewithlove.com

Prima Fleur www.primafleur.com

Rainbow Meadow www.rainbowmeadow.com

SunRose Aromatics www.sunrosearomatics.com

Samara Botane www.wingedseed.com

Sue

[Guest guest]

Hi

Liberty Natural would be a good place to start in my opinion out of the three.

Also a lot of members have had authenticity issues with New Directions Aromatics

big time, including myself. A great online store is Eden Botanicals, they have

beautiful rose absolutes and other great oils. I don't know The Perfumery, but

if you know the supplier well, then you should definitely explore it. With

suppliers, it is trial and error. Good luck!

Aer from Haus of Waft

[Guest guest]

Hi,

What do you mean by authenticity issues? How can you tell? Are they lying

to their customers?

I bought a few things from them and it seemed ok, but if its a problem, I

won't shop them anymore.

isis

[Guest guest]

Hi Isis,

I can tell because I have been around aromatics for awhile now. I also know

vanilla abs is very rarely clear as glass (meaning unless it has went through a

process to have the color removed) and neither is vetiver. I don't know if they

are knowingly lying to their customers, it may as simple as they purchase from a

producer who adulterated it and they did not realize this. As far as their clays

and other cosmetic stuff, there seems to be little issue, but their EO's and

other perfumery oils have also been shady that I have purchased, and I have

talked to other perfumers who have been suspicious as well. I assure you that I

would not just state that an company is selling bad oils if I just have smidgen

of suspicion, this is something I have explored and looked into for awhile.

Another test I did was the whole dropping oils on paper and if it evaporates

(eo's) well (except in cases where the oil is old and crystalline  leaving a oil

ring, like sandal or

rose) leaving the paper with no oil residue then this means it could be real.

The sandal did not pass this and this test is not fool proof however. I started

out in aromatics making natural incense, and I use sandal oil in resin mixes.

Well if you poke sandal oil with a needle and gently heat the oil on the needle,

it should smell of smooth sandal and when I did this with NDA  sandal, it puffed

with black smoke and a terrible harsh smell, which in the best of circumstances

means that if there was any real sandal in it, it has been cut with a carrier

oil. So you can see why I do not buy from them. And I'm not the only one who

feels this way, I thought it best to warn a first time buyer, money is scarce

these day.

..Aer

[Guest guest]

--- In NaturalPerfumery , Andriot wrote

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>The Perfumery is about 15 minutes away from my house, so I have a soft spot for

> that supplier, and I actually found that the ingredients I want in my first

> order are cheapest to get from there, anyway! Partly because they offer EO

> blends that mimic the more expensive florals - which I like because I don't

> want to spend tons of money on ingredients for my practice batches.

>

>> Andriot, owner

> Vetiver Aromatics <http://vetiveraromatics.com>

>

Hi ,

the thing about EO blends made to mimic certain floral essenses is that they

will never be the same, just close to, the real flower.

so you won't be learning anything about the nature -the behavior- of the floral

you are using a mimic of -because natural extracts have a nature of thier own,

they tend to behave in certain ways, and respond to other essenses in spicific

and varrying ways, that is part of the art of nautural perfumery, you have to

learn the behavior of every essense, learn who it's friends are, and what

friends tilt in this direction, and what in another, different than work with

syntheics, I believe.

and for this reason, if you were to come across a blend you love, and would like

to make into a perfume, you would need the floral mimic you bought from the

'perfumery', it wouldn't necesserily work with the real floral and if it does it

will deffenitly be different from what you had achieved with the mimic. you may

forever be reliant on 'the perfumery' to keep producing that product that is

necessery for your loved perfume.

I wouldn't learn using mimics, I would go about it the other way, start with

fairly cheap florals, and once I am established in my knowledge of the art, play

-if I am so inclined- with ready made, reliably natural blends

Hope that made sense

all the best

Hemla

[Guest guest]

Great point about EO blends, Hemla! I hadn't thought of that. I think I'll

start with buying dilutions, so at least it's one component at a time.

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