Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Self harming and crying are two of Tom's favourite activities. He just sobs sometimes for half an hour at a time. Is Ora Adren (like from MandiMart) the same type of stuff? Tom used to have permanently dilated pupils - not rigidly dilated just more often dilated than not. And he says " light " a lot. Not sure if this is a visual disturbance or what. Be great to stop the self harming, it does all of our heads in (and he's covered in tiny bruises and bite marks where he bites and bangs himself). It's horrible, the most heart rending bit of his autism. > > Dear listmates, > > It's my belief that a lot of ASD kids have adrenal problems and are > going without help in this area. Recently I've talked to a couple > moms about this and said I would post a kind of summary about what I > know. > > > Here's a decent introductory article on adrenal stress, except the > writer misses the point about adrenal cortext extract (which I have > used for my sons with great success) and I would never say > that " treating adrenal fatigue is as easy as... " If there is any > underlying issue such as metal toxicity (as is the case with my son) > fixing the problem can be quite a long term thing. > > http://www.newstarget.com/019339.html > > Adrenal stress in our kids can look like many things. As is the case > with lots of issues, how it manifests in adults may not resemble how > it manifests in a kid with ASD. My youngest child showed his adrenal > stress mostly with uncontrolled crying and an inability to be happy. > As it worsened, he was unable to stand anyone around him, could not > tolerate any frustration, and eventually started severe self-injuring > which escalated from hand biting, mild headbanging, to smashing his > face against the floor. My older son worried about everything, > cried easily, had anxiety attacks that would last a very long time > (especially at night). All of these things for my older son are now > gone (after about 8 months of treatment). My younger son has a much > longer road ahead because of severe metal toxicity and other problems > related to that. > > There are a number of tests one can use (I believe the flashlight and > saliva tests are mentioned in the article above). The hair elements > test from DDI that many of us have used can also show adrenal > stress. My youngest son's tests inched toward showing severe stress— > somehow I wasn't able to see the pattern developing, otherwise I > would have started supporting his adrenals a lot earlier. If calcium > and magnesium go one way and sodium and potassium go the other, this > is indicative of adrenal stress. If sod/pot are high and cal/mag are > low, this would mean too much adrenaline and not enough cortisol. > All of this information is from Andy Cutler's book Hair Test > Interpretation. There is much more detailed information in the book > and I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to run the hair test. > > > Here's one article that talks about the efficacy of Adrenal Cortex > Extract and oral dosing > > http://www.westonaprice.org/archive/britton.html > > This is the Adrenal Cortex Extract I use for the kids: > > http://www.vitacost.com/NutriCologyOrganicAdrenalCortex > > Most people dose early on in the day. If you use it, start low (1/8 > cap) and build up, as some people don't tolerate it and things can > get a bit rocky, especially if the adrenal fatigue is severe. My son > now gets 625 mg spread throughout the day, all by suppertime. I > sometimes go as high as 750 mgs. My older son no longer takes it. > > Along with the ACE one should increase B vitamins and Vitamin C, and > try to dose these at least 3 or 4 times during the day. We dosed > even more often when chelating (as it was easy to do and really > seemed to help), but now dose only 4 times a day. I think the > amounts of B necessary are somewhat individual. My youngest son, for > example, needs very large doses of B2 in order to function well. > > People who have thyroid problems as well need to support the > adrenals. From what I've read, people who support the thyroid but > don't first help the adrenals often have lots of trouble. > > There is certainly much more information about adrenal support out > there. This is my understanding and what worked for us. > > Anita > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Our quality of life as a family improved unbelievably when ds stopped the self-injuring (he still does it in a fairly controlled manner when he pitches a fit about something he can't have). I *believe* that the ora adren is the same thing (the terms they use are slightly differently, but seem to mean the same); however, the amount would be too small for us. DS would need to take about 8 a day of those. You also need to ensure that the cows are as " clean " as possible. Anita > > > > Dear listmates, > > > > It's my belief that a lot of ASD kids have adrenal problems and are > > going without help in this area. Recently I've talked to a couple > > moms about this and said I would post a kind of summary about what I > > know. > > > > > > Here's a decent introductory article on adrenal stress, except the > > writer misses the point about adrenal cortext extract (which I have > > used for my sons with great success) and I would never say > > that " treating adrenal fatigue is as easy as... " If there is any > > underlying issue such as metal toxicity (as is the case with my son) > > fixing the problem can be quite a long term thing. > > > > http://www.newstarget.com/019339.html > > > > Adrenal stress in our kids can look like many things. As is the case > > with lots of issues, how it manifests in adults may not resemble how > > it manifests in a kid with ASD. My youngest child showed his adrenal > > stress mostly with uncontrolled crying and an inability to be happy. > > As it worsened, he was unable to stand anyone around him, could not > > tolerate any frustration, and eventually started severe self- injuring > > which escalated from hand biting, mild headbanging, to smashing his > > face against the floor. My older son worried about everything, > > cried easily, had anxiety attacks that would last a very long time > > (especially at night). All of these things for my older son are now > > gone (after about 8 months of treatment). My younger son has a much > > longer road ahead because of severe metal toxicity and other problems > > related to that. > > > > There are a number of tests one can use (I believe the flashlight and > > saliva tests are mentioned in the article above). The hair elements > > test from DDI that many of us have used can also show adrenal > > stress. My youngest son's tests inched toward showing severe stress— > > somehow I wasn't able to see the pattern developing, otherwise I > > would have started supporting his adrenals a lot earlier. If calcium > > and magnesium go one way and sodium and potassium go the other, this > > is indicative of adrenal stress. If sod/pot are high and cal/mag are > > low, this would mean too much adrenaline and not enough cortisol. > > All of this information is from Andy Cutler's book Hair Test > > Interpretation. There is much more detailed information in the book > > and I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to run the hair test. > > > > > > Here's one article that talks about the efficacy of Adrenal Cortex > > Extract and oral dosing > > > > http://www.westonaprice.org/archive/britton.html > > > > This is the Adrenal Cortex Extract I use for the kids: > > > > http://www.vitacost.com/NutriCologyOrganicAdrenalCortex > > > > Most people dose early on in the day. If you use it, start low (1/8 > > cap) and build up, as some people don't tolerate it and things can > > get a bit rocky, especially if the adrenal fatigue is severe. My son > > now gets 625 mg spread throughout the day, all by suppertime. I > > sometimes go as high as 750 mgs. My older son no longer takes it. > > > > Along with the ACE one should increase B vitamins and Vitamin C, and > > try to dose these at least 3 or 4 times during the day. We dosed > > even more often when chelating (as it was easy to do and really > > seemed to help), but now dose only 4 times a day. I think the > > amounts of B necessary are somewhat individual. My youngest son, for > > example, needs very large doses of B2 in order to function well. > > > > People who have thyroid problems as well need to support the > > adrenals. From what I've read, people who support the thyroid but > > don't first help the adrenals often have lots of trouble. > > > > There is certainly much more information about adrenal support out > > there. This is my understanding and what worked for us. > > > > Anita > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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