Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 > > , > I have been reading with interest your emails regarding your farming practices. Very enlightening! I don't know what paramagnetic rock it though. Can you explain in more detail? I picture a field full of number 4's but I'm sure that is not what you mean! LOL!!! > Thanks, Hi Jen: OK, as you may have noticed, I have no short answers to what seem to be simple questions. When I first read, " Nutrition and Physical Degeneration " by Weston Price, from the chapter in the supplement titled, " Food is Fabricated Soil Fertility " by Albrecht, I noted Albrecht's explanation of soil fertility in its simplest terms. I don't have my book with me at the moment (my son has it), but Albrecht said something like soil fertility in its simplest terms is some dozen or so elements being slowly broken out of the earth's crust and hustled off to the sea. Enroute they spend a brief time in the soil nourishing all life. So, I thought, Nature makes soil from the breakdown of rocks. Nature makes some soils of low soil fertility and Nature makes some soil of high soil fertility and lots of soil with fertility in between these values. Thus, if we look at the makeup of high and low levels of soil fertility according to the parent rocks that were breaking down to create the soil, we might start to see patterns of which parent rocks break down to make the best soils. Knowing nothing about rocks or agriculture at the time, I set out to find out what these parent rocks might be. Quickly, I learned, of course, that rocks containing the necessary minerals would be some of the rocks that would be required. On attending my first Acres, U.S.A. conference in, I think, 1994, I heard a talk by Philip Callahan on paramagnetic rock. After hearing his talk, I thought, oh, more than just minerals are required to create high soil fertility. I had already been working with a rock that I thought I was using for its minerals, but I later learned the rock was paramagnetic. The explanation I learned on the difference between ferromagnetic and paramagnetic is that a ferromagnetic material can be induced into becoming a magnet but a paramagnetic material cannot. After hearing the talk by Philip Callahan, I realized that no one was making paramagnetic rock available to the public to test Callahan's ideas so I went out to see if I could find a source that I could offer for sale. I found a quarry that had rock with an amazingly hight level of paramagnetism and started offering it for sale in conjunction with a distributor in the U.S.A., Doug Murray. We went to the Acres, U.S.A. conference year after year with a booth in their trade show to see what interest there might be in people for the rock. What we found was that most people wanted some sort of proof from a university that the product worked. I guess I can comment that fertilizers, vaccinations, etc. are all proven to work by universities. We also took booths in some local organic trade shows. I came to realize that if I could have offered some product that offered a 10% yield increase at the cost of a 10% nutrition decrease I would probably become rich selling to organic farmers as long as it was " organically approved " . Although Doug and I gathered a lot of evidence over the years on the rock and we still have it for sale, we do not go out any more and offer it for sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 I LOVE the long answers because it really helps me to understand a little better. I definitely see how people would be skeptical and some sort of proof before laying out some cash for the rock. Almost seems too good to be true, and you know how the rest of that saying goes! But, I got your point about research on other things too. At least if there is some sort of independent study or "proof" then people have a starting point to begin to investigate the findings for themselves. As you can see on this group, nothing is black and white and I don't think we all agree on anyone point completely. Well, except that raw milk is very healthy for you! Is this rock in dust form? I believe in an earlier post you said you mix it with manure and apply. Just curious, but a very interesting theory. What part of the country do you live in? I will have to check out some of the books you recommend to further my education. No cows yet, but I have some goats to get a little livestock experience. I was raised as a city girl but always longed for the country life. Now that I am here, I want to learn as much as possible as quickly as I can and TRY to minimize the mistakes I make (I've lost a lot of time!). Thanks for your conitnued patience, Jen Re:Healthy milk vs milk yield >> ,> I have been reading with interest your emails regarding your farmingpractices. Very enlightening! I don't know what paramagnetic rock itthough. Can you explain in more detail? I picture a field full ofnumber 4's but I'm sure that is not what you mean! LOL!!!> Thanks,Hi Jen:OK, as you may have noticed, I have no short answers to what seem tobe simple questions.When I first read, "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" by WestonPrice, from the chapter in the supplement titled, "Food is FabricatedSoil Fertility" by Albrecht, I noted Albrecht's explanation ofsoil fertility in its simplest terms. I don't have my book with me atthe moment (my son has it), but Albrecht said something like soilfertility in its simplest terms is some dozen or so elements beingslowly broken out of the earth's crust and hustled off to the sea.Enroute they spend a brief time in the soil nourishing all life.So, I thought, Nature makes soil from the breakdown of rocks. Naturemakes some soils of low soil fertility and Nature makes some soil ofhigh soil fertility and lots of soil with fertility in between thesevalues. Thus, if we look at the makeup of high and low levels of soilfertility according to the parent rocks that were breaking down tocreate the soil, we might start to see patterns of which parent rocksbreak down to make the best soils. Knowing nothing about rocks oragriculture at the time, I set out to find out what these parent rocksmight be.Quickly, I learned, of course, that rocks containing the necessaryminerals would be some of the rocks that would be required. Onattending my first Acres, U.S.A. conference in, I think, 1994, I hearda talk by Philip Callahan on paramagnetic rock. After hearing histalk, I thought, oh, more than just minerals are required to createhigh soil fertility. I had already been working with a rock that Ithought I was using for its minerals, but I later learned the rock wasparamagnetic.The explanation I learned on the difference between ferromagnetic andparamagnetic is that a ferromagnetic material can be induced intobecoming a magnet but a paramagnetic material cannot.After hearing the talk by Philip Callahan, I realized that no one wasmaking paramagnetic rock available to the public to test Callahan'sideas so I went out to see if I could find a source that I could offerfor sale. I found a quarry that had rock with an amazingly hight levelof paramagnetism and started offering it for sale in conjunction witha distributor in the U.S.A., Doug Murray. We went to the Acres, U.S.A.conference year after year with a booth in their trade show to seewhat interest there might be in people for the rock. What we found wasthat most people wanted some sort of proof from a university that theproduct worked. I guess I can comment that fertilizers, vaccinations,etc. are all proven to work by universities.We also took booths in some local organic trade shows. I came torealize that if I could have offered some product that offered a 10%yield increase at the cost of a 10% nutrition decrease I wouldprobably become rich selling to organic farmers as long as it was"organically approved".Although Doug and I gathered a lot of evidence over the years on therock and we still have it for sale, we do not go out any more andoffer it for sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 > > Is this rock in dust form? I believe in an earlier post you said you mix it with manure and apply. Just curious, but a very interesting theory. What part of the country do you live in? I will have to check out some of the books you recommend to further my education. No cows yet, but I have some goats to get a little livestock experience. I was raised as a city girl but always longed for the country life. Now that I am here, I want to learn as much as possible as quickly as I can and TRY to minimize the mistakes I make (I've lost a lot of time!). > Thanks for your conitnued patience, Hi Jen: You would not want to use paramagnetic rock in dust form. The smaller the particle, the shorter the lifetime in the soil as the sooner it leaves for the sea. Paramagnetic rock is used for the paramagnetic energy contribution to the soil, not for its mineral content. Thus using a larger size of rock means one application for a human lifetime or longer, depending on the size. Your question does raise an interesting point regarding rock dust that is used for minerals. Adding rock as dust for minerals makes no sense to me after reading " The Albrecht Papers " . Albrecht presents experimental evidence in Volume I that 10 mesh limestone was better than 100 mesh limestone for adding calcium. Of course, most people use 200 mesh now... I live in Toronto, Canada. If you tell me where you live I might know the general soil conditions in your area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Hi , I am in central Ohio, Mt Gilead to be exact! Jen Re:Healthy milk vs milk yield >> Is this rock in dust form? I believe in an earlier post you saidyou mix it with manure and apply. Just curious, but a veryinteresting theory. What part of the country do you live in? I willhave to check out some of the books you recommend to further myeducation. No cows yet, but I have some goats to get a littlelivestock experience. I was raised as a city girl but always longedfor the country life. Now that I am here, I want to learn as much aspossible as quickly as I can and TRY to minimize the mistakes I make(I've lost a lot of time!).> Thanks for your conitnued patience,Hi Jen:You would not want to use paramagnetic rock in dust form. The smallerthe particle, the shorter the lifetime in the soil as the sooner itleaves for the sea. Paramagnetic rock is used for the paramagneticenergy contribution to the soil, not for its mineral content. Thususing a larger size of rock means one application for a human lifetimeor longer, depending on the size.Your question does raise an interesting point regarding rock dust thatis used for minerals. Adding rock as dust for minerals makes no senseto me after reading "The Albrecht Papers". Albrecht presentsexperimental evidence in Volume I that 10 mesh limestone was betterthan 100 mesh limestone for adding calcium. Of course, most people use200 mesh now...I live in Toronto, Canada. If you tell me where you live I might knowthe general soil conditions in your area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 > > Hi , > I am in central Ohio, Mt Gilead to be exact! Hi Jen: Albrecht explains how the soils in the U.S.A. were developed by the climate prior to the arrival of the European settlers. The best soil was in the west where the bison herds migrated north and south. The north-south line where the bison were found is basically a line running north from the point at the top of Texas. If you went further west towards the Rockies, there was not sufficient rainfall to break the minerals out of the rock to create fertile soil. If you go east from this line you find increasing annual rainfall even while still on the prairies. Over time, Albrecht explains, this rainfall not only develops the soil fertility, but as the parent rocks which created the high soil fertility are broken down and disappear from the soil, the soil fertility declines. Since the further east you go from where the bison migrated the annual rainfall becomes higher, Albrecht points out that the further east you go the soil fertility continues to decline. One other factor in soil development and decline is temperature. Higher temperatures speed up the decline of the soil fertility. So going from west to east from where the bison roamed is going from the best soil fertility in the U.S.A. to poor soil fertility. In addition, going from north to south in the east is also going in the direction of poorer soil fertility. One indicator of poor soil fertility are trees. The type of tree further indicates the level of soil fertility with the evergreens being in the poorest soil and hardwoods being in the comparatively better soil. The soil fertility in mixed forests is in between these. In the east there are two notable exceptions, two areas of high soil fertility where bison were found. These were in Kentucky and in valleys in Pennsylvania. So, as you can see, where you are living was not the best soil fertility and not the worst in the USA. Chances are, however, that whatever it was before the European settlers arrived, it has declined since then. The bottom line is that you should have an easier time in restoring soil fertility than someone further east but a tougher time than someone further west where the bison migrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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