Guest guest Posted July 20, 2008 Report Share Posted July 20, 2008 A friend is looking at a new raw milk source. They vaccinate their cows for brucellosis at birth. Are the vaccinations a problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2008 Report Share Posted July 20, 2008 Brucellosis, should be done at about three months of age. A good vaccination program is key to healthy cows. There are lots of bugs out there that can cause abortions, respiratory problems, etc. Albert Subject: Vaccinations for cowsTo: rawDairy Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 4:17 PM A friend is looking at a new raw milk source. They vaccinate their cows for brucellosis at birth. Are the vaccinations a problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2008 Report Share Posted July 20, 2008 Albert, I have to disagree.My experience is that the cow's health is a result of proper feeding and living.There is lots of evidence now that vaccinations often are the cause of disease in cows just as they are in children. michael From: Carolyn Graff <zgraffcharter (DOT) net>Subject: Vaccinations for cowsTo: rawDairy@yahoogroup s.comDate: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 4:17 PM A friend is looking at a new raw milk source. They vaccinate their cows for brucellosis at birth. Are the vaccinations a problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2008 Report Share Posted July 20, 2008 That is so sad to hear. Belinda > > > Subject: Vaccinations for cows > To: rawDairy > Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 4:17 PM > > > > > > > A friend is looking at a new raw milk source. They vaccinate their cows for brucellosis at birth. Are the vaccinations a problem? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2008 Report Share Posted July 20, 2008 You took the words right out of my mouth. I was going to send the same post as you did. I didn't send it because it is usually not the popular view. I have no problems with disease and lots of problems with vaccinations. Chris Albert, I have to disagree.My experience is that the cow's health is a result of proper feeding and living.There is lots of evidence now that vaccinations often are the cause of disease in cows just as they are in children. michael From: Carolyn Graff <zgraffcharter (DOT) net>Subject: Vaccinations for cowsTo: rawDairy@yahoogroup s.comDate: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 4:17 PM A friend is looking at a new raw milk source. They vaccinate their cows for brucellosis at birth. Are the vaccinations a problem? ____________________________________________________________ Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 , So if your cows have no contact with other cows and no Vaccination program, are 4 months pregnant and all of a sudden they come into contact with a neighbors cow that is shedding BVD, Lepto etc, you don't think your cows run a very high risk of Abortion?? There are many cases where Vaccination have saved lives both humans and animals. Not to say that there are not other hidden risks. But for the most part a good Vaccination program helps to prevent some problems during times of stress and suppressed immune systems. From: Carolyn Graff <zgraffcharter (DOT) net>Subject: Vaccinations for cowsTo: rawDairy@yahoogroup s.comDate: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 4:17 PM A friend is looking at a new raw milk source. They vaccinate their cows for brucellosis at birth. Are the vaccinations a problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 , "There is lots of evidence now that vaccinations often are the cause of disease in cows " Where can I find this info, where BVD, Lepto, Bangs,Vibrin, PL3, IBR, Tetanus in a cow was caused by a Vaccine?? So your telling me that only Sick cows or Goats get sick or contract viruses? How about CAE in goats? there are lots of healthy well cared for goats in small herds that will get CAE if fed infected milk. How about Tetanus? Goats are very sensitive. there are lots of viruses out there that will cause problems not just in the cow but in Goat's. They can be transmitted to the baby through the milk there fed. If a person had a completely closed herd where there whould never ever be a chance of contact with other livestock your chances would be very low, but there are other livestock, insects, and wildlife that can infect and carry viruses. Rabies, Bird flu, West Nile From: Carolyn Graff <zgraffcharter (DOT) net>Subject: Vaccinations for cowsTo: rawDairy@yahoogroup s.comDate: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 4:17 PM A friend is looking at a new raw milk source. They vaccinate their cows for brucellosis at birth. Are the vaccinations a problem? ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ___ Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 As far as I know there is no Vaccination for CAE so that will not help you. You should go to the lost foal report to see how many foals have died because of West Nile vaccinations. I have never experienced a case of Lepto and I have been a herd owner for more than 25 years. When we had goats instead of cows I did do Tetanus but only because we banded the bucks. In people vaccinations have damaged many children. So if you are willing to sacrifice some for others for now real reason than you should vaccinate. I don't say vaccination is never appropriate it just should not be used if not really necessary and there can be side affects in both people and animals. Be aware! Chris , "There is lots of evidence now that vaccinations often are the cause of disease in cows " Where can I find this info, where BVD, Lepto, Bangs,Vibrin, PL3, IBR, Tetanus in a cow was caused by a Vaccine?? So your telling me that only Sick cows or Goats get sick or contract viruses? How about CAE in goats? there are lots of healthy well cared for goats in small herds that will get CAE if fed infected milk. How about Tetanus? Goats are very sensitive. there are lots of viruses out there that will cause problems not just in the cow but in Goat's. They can be transmitted to the baby through the milk there fed. If a person had a completely closed herd where there whould never ever be a chance of contact with other livestock your chances would be very low, but there are other livestock, insects, and wildlife that can infect and carry viruses. Rabies, Bird flu, West Nile From: Carolyn Graff <zgraffcharter (DOT) net>Subject: Vaccinations for cowsTo: rawDairy@yahoogroup s.comDate: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 4:17 PM A friend is looking at a new raw milk source. They vaccinate their cows for brucellosis at birth. Are the vaccinations a problem? ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ___ Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online. ____________________________________________________________ Discount Online Trading - Click Now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 Vaccines seem to be a very controversial issue on many fronts right now. There is no doubt that they have prevented disease in some cases (though a vaccine is only as good as the immune response of the patient), and there is also no doubt that the use of vaccines has contributed to chronic diseases such as hypothryoidism, cancers, and autoimmune disease, and, in rare instances the modified live vaccines have caused the disease they are supposed to prevent (chicken pox vaccine is a good example of this) and in even rarer instances, anaphylaxis and death. I am not familiar with the research being done in cows with this (though from my personal experience, cows are more likely to have anaphylactic reactions and death than other species), mostly because they are seen as pretty expendable, but in humans and in companion animals, there is a lot of research going on right now. I believe that the number of species affected allows for extrapolation of probable cause. For human research and info, from anecdotal to scientific journal articles, you can go to http://www.909shot.com/, or for info on animals, you can go to http://www.avma.org/vafstf/ or http://home.gci.net/~divs/disease/vaccine.html That said, vaccination is a personal choice. One has to consider the disease mortality rate and prevalence (rabies is fatal and endemic in some areas), the risk of side effects, the strength of the individual's immune system, whether or not they are pregnant, and whole host of issues. I believe that it is the individual's responsibility to educate themselves as much as possible before making the decision. > > , > " There is lots of evidence now that vaccinations often are the cause of disease in cows " Where can I find this info, where BVD, Lepto, Bangs,Vibrin, PL3, IBR, Tetanus in a cow was caused by a Vaccine?? So your telling me that only Sick cows or Goats get sick or contract viruses? How about CAE in goats? there are lots of healthy well cared for goats in small herds that will get CAE if fed infected milk. How about Tetanus? Goats are very sensitive. there are lots of viruses out there that will cause problems not just in the cow but in Goat's. They can be transmitted to the baby through the milk there fed. If a person had a completely closed herd where there whould never ever be a chance of contact with other livestock your chances would be very low, but there are other livestock, insects, and wildlife that can infect and carry viruses. Rabies, Bird flu, West Nile > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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