Re: Help, please son is becoming violent

[Guest guest]

Bayes Achievement Center helped a friend of mine with her daughter’s

aggression. http://www.bayescenter.com

Tonya

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Help, please son is becoming violent

Hello,

I think this is the hardest letter I think I have ever written. We just left a

friends house because my son got way out of control with his aggression. It all

started as my son and my friend were relaxing in the hot tub and my friend was

talking to someone else and it made my son very angry and he started splashing

him and would not stop. My friend has a sister is who disabled and his wife had

a brother that was bipolar and so I cherish their friendship very much because

they do understand how my son can be at times and they don't judge him like most

people. but to get back to the story he started hitting my friend and when I

tried to stop him he began hitting me. My son is 12 yrs old and 5 ft 7 and

weighs 170 lbs. and he is as strong as

a ox. No would could get him to calm down and get out of the hot tub and finally

after he had hit me again my friends wife finally talk him out. He was shaking

with anger and I just had to walk away for a minute and gather my self. When I

did come back and told him we needed to get our clothes on and leave he refused.

Finally he did and we left. On the way home he told me he was sorry and as I

looked at him my heart is just breaking because I love him more than anything

and I sit here and write this through my tears I am so scared because I don't

know what to do and this is not the first time he has hit me but I am concerned

for him if this happens and I am not around w

hat will happen. I try and protect him from the outside world because I know how

cruel people are out there and will not understand when he gets angry. Is there

something I can do or someone we can go see? I will take any suggestion from

anyone on how to handle this. I just need some help in trying to figure this

out. His doctors are no help. Please again I will take any suggestions. I am SE

of Dallas about 30 miles.

Thanks

Sandy

Noahs Mom

[Guest guest]

Contact Teach Me LLC

Behavioral & Educational Consulting

Regina Crone is the owner & ABA therpaist

she is very knowledgeable and can complete an assessment/plan to help you aid in

his aggression ( she is experienced with preteens and teens)

The website is www.teachmebec.com

 

[Guest guest]

We have also utilized Bayes Achievement Center twice in recent years

to address aggression for our daughter. She just returned home from

her 2nd stay at Bayes and is definitely better. She is 14 yo, PDD/NOS

and verbal. Short Term Behavior Intervention Therapy at Bayes is very

expensive but it is very well managed. In some cases, the school

system will pay for Bayes. If anyone wants to know more, feel free to

contact me off list.

>

> Bayes Achievement Center helped a friend of mine with her

daughter’s aggression. http://www.bayescenter.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bayes Achievement Center is located in Huntsville. I have a friend who's

daughter lived there for awhile, she was non verbal when she entered (she was

7)

and she started to talk while there and her out of control behaviors

subsided and she was able to re-enter her community and live at home. Over the

past

2 years her daughter regressed after starting puberty (she's 14 now) and is

needing a lot more structure and behavior intervention so she is back at Bayes

enrolled in their day treatment program which is also a school.

CReece

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[Guest guest]

, did you bring back any literature you can post/share or upload to the

yahoo server? I was so anxious to hear what was going to come out of that

conference. Was Lupron the only new treatment announced or was there additional

news? Who is going to administer Lupron? I doubt a mainstream medical doctor

will be inclined to offer the therapy to parents who ask for it.

Please let us know what you learned. Thank you.

CReece

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plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.

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[Guest guest]

I think this bears repeating...I have found it very useful!

Re: Help, please son is becoming violent

To: Texas-Autism-Advocacy

Date: Monday, 25 August, 2008, 4:49 PM

Sandy,

While you are investigating for a match in finding a professional who

could specialize with the challenging behavior or seek which meds.

Not that this would of helped while this challenging behavior had

happen. I know we have some that are into this field here on the

listserve that could add on or suggest something where it could help

understand when your son gets frustrated and was unable to handle the

stress of their often confusing world.

Just thought I suggest in the mean time document some type of ABCs of

behavior similar to what you have described. Do you have access to a

simple documentation form that asks for just the facts of the situation.

One of the components of a functional behavior analysis (FBA) or any

systematic study of behavior is to note what happened prior to the

event, what the behavior looked liked, and what happened after the

behavior. The acronym " ABC " in this case stands for " Antecedent,

Behavior, Consequences. "

Most of the time when there are some behavior difficulties it is out

of frustration because they can't communicate their needs, desires,

fears, or pains.

Could your son have gotten jealous of your friend's friend who she/he

was talking to and felt ignored, not given the attention he seek or

what was his motivation?

Pay as much (or even more) attention to what was going on before the

behavior occurred than what happened after the behavior occurred.

How is your friend? Maybe he likes her/him and wanted your friend all

to himself.

One will never know but obviously something trigger this off.

Glad all finally calm down and definitely safety that no one ended up

getting physically hurt being in the hot tub.

Sometimes it's not cool when us mom's embarrass them in front of

friends who they may try to impress.

Yep, no fun when they get older, bigger & stronger.

Wishing you well on your mission here to seek the help your son needs.

Irma

>

> Hello,

> I think this is the hardest letter I think I have ever written. We

just left a friends house because my son got way out of control with

his aggression. It all started as my son and my friend were relaxing

in the hot tub and my friend was talking to someone else and it made

my son very angry and he started splashing him and would not stop. My

friend has a sister is who disabled and his wife had a brother that

was bipolar and so I cherish their friendship very much because they

do understand how my son can be at times and they don't judge him like

most people. but to get back to the story he started hitting my friend

and when I tried to stop him he began hitting me. My son is 12 yrs old

and 5 ft 7 and weighs 170 lbs. and he is as strong as a ox. No would

could get him to calm down and get out of the hot tub and finally

after he had hit me again my friends wife finally talk him out. He was

shaking with anger and I just had to walk away for a minute and gather

my self. When I did come back and told him we needed to get our

clothes on and leave he refused. Finally he did and we left. On the

way home he told me he was sorry and as I looked at him my heart is

just breaking because I love him more than anything and I sit here and

write this through my tears I am so scared because I don't know what

to do and this is not the first time he has hit me but I am concerned

for him if this happens and I am not around w

> hat will happen. I try and protect him from the outside world

because I know how cruel people are out there and will not understand

when he gets angry. Is there something I can do or someone we can go

see? I will take any suggestion from anyone on how to handle this. I

just need some help in trying to figure this out. His doctors are no

help. Please again I will take any suggestions. I am SE of Dallas

about 30 miles.

>

> Thanks

>

> Sandy

>

> Noahs Mom

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Where is this located? My daughter is going to go to the TEXANNA Center (BTTC)

in Richmond, TX. This also is a short term residential center. I was told my

14 yr.old could be there any where from 3 - 6 - 12 months depending on her. I

went and visited and talked with the staff. I was impressed and hopeful. The

Texanna center stay will be paid for by MHMR.

amom2amanda

milosookkorea wrote:

We have also utilized Bayes Achievement Center twice in recent years

to address aggression for our daughter. She just returned home from

her 2nd stay at Bayes and is definitely better. She is 14 yo, PDD/NOS

and verbal. Short Term Behavior Intervention Therapy at Bayes is very

expensive but it is very well managed. In some cases, the school

system will pay for Bayes. If anyone wants to know more, feel free to

contact me off list.

>

> Bayes Achievement Center helped a friend of mine with her

daughter’s aggression. http://www.bayescenter.com

>

>

......amom2amanda

(I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.)

PHILIPIANS 4:13

[Guest guest]

Not long ago I posted on longer term ideas to help with violence

using ABA and Diet. It was brought to my attention that many are

looking for help NOW. I have been troubled by this everyday

since. I just attended USAAA conference in Austin. The last

session was the Geiers. They are using a therapy using LUPRON.

There is a testosterone connection. I won't say this well, but did

understand the concept. I couldn't wait to get home to share this

info. I hope it helps even one child. It looks like a good option

for many kids.

The results look very good. They have been working on this for 5

years. They made many regards of children improving who had many

behavioral issues. They talked of very high even asperger boys who

were in big trouble due to the behavioral issues (violence

etc...). THese kids are thriving and able to use their potential,

return to school, leave institutions etc.....once they have this

therapy.

I believe this therapy worth looking into. We're all in different

spots and need different things to help our children be there best in

the midst of this epidemic. I personally want to continue to

chelate to reduce mercury load. However others with more dire

situations or maybe older children may want quicker results. It

looks like chelation may take years for my son. I have that kind of

time and he is far enough into his recovery for me to make this

decision. For others you may find LUPRON to give more immediate

results.

You can find their contact info by searching the USAAA conference

presenters info.

Blessings,

> >

> > Bayes Achievement Center helped a friend of mine with her

> daughter’s aggression. http://www.bayescenter.com

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ......amom2amanda

> (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.)

> PHILIPIANS 4:13

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lupron is a very serious drug with side effects and it is not really

specifically used for aggression and violence. It is just another

experimental treatment option. My understanding when I asked Dr. Jepson

(with Thoughtful House) is that it has not been used yet widely and has some

side effects. Plus its administration is not easy. I think it is done via

an IV. However, I think it still needs to be investigated just like any

other option.

Also, I spoke to Dr. Geier few years ago and he only had one child on it

back then. I guess he has more now.

Re: Help, please son is becoming violent

Not long ago I posted on longer term ideas to help with violence

using ABA and Diet. It was brought to my attention that many are

looking for help NOW. I have been troubled by this everyday

since. I just attended USAAA conference in Austin. The last

session was the Geiers. They are using a therapy using LUPRON.

There is a testosterone connection. I won't say this well, but did

understand the concept. I couldn't wait to get home to share this

info. I hope it helps even one child. It looks like a good option

for many kids.

The results look very good. They have been working on this for 5

years. They made many regards of children improving who had many

behavioral issues. They talked of very high even asperger boys who

were in big trouble due to the behavioral issues (violence

etc...). THese kids are thriving and able to use their potential,

return to school, leave institutions etc.....once they have this

therapy.

I believe this therapy worth looking into. We're all in different

spots and need different things to help our children be there best in

the midst of this epidemic. I personally want to continue to

chelate to reduce mercury load. However others with more dire

situations or maybe older children may want quicker results. It

looks like chelation may take years for my son. I have that kind of

time and he is far enough into his recovery for me to make this

decision. For others you may find LUPRON to give more immediate

results.

You can find their contact info by searching the USAAA conference

presenters info.

Blessings,

> >

> > Bayes Achievement Center helped a friend of mine with her

> daughterâ?Ts aggression. http://www.bayescenter.com

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ......amom2amanda

> (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.)

> PHILIPIANS 4:13

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I too attended that conference this weekend and saw the Geiers' research and

clinical findings - I am sold and am going to try it on my more severe son. The

data is there now folks and they have treated over 500+ kids with this protocol.

More safe than anti-psychotic drugs from what I saw today!

Re: Help, please son is becoming violent

Not long ago I posted on longer term ideas to help with violence

using ABA and Diet. It was brought to my attention that many are

looking for help NOW. I have been troubled by this everyday

since. I just attended USAAA conference in Austin. The last

session was the Geiers. They are using a therapy using LUPRON.

There is a testosterone connection. I won't say this well, but did

understand the concept. I couldn't wait to get home to share this

info. I hope it helps even one child. It looks like a good option

for many kids.

The results look very good. They have been working on this for 5

years. They made many regards of children improving who had many

behavioral issues. They talked of very high even asperger boys who

were in big trouble due to the behavioral issues (violence

etc...). THese kids are thriving and able to use their potential,

return to school, leave institutions etc.....once they have this

therapy.

I believe this therapy worth looking into. We're all in different

spots and need different things to help our children be there best in

the midst of this epidemic. I personally want to continue to

chelate to reduce mercury load. However others with more dire

situations or maybe older children may want quicker results. It

looks like chelation may take years for my son. I have that kind of

time and he is far enough into his recovery for me to make this

decision. For others you may find LUPRON to give more immediate

results.

You can find their contact info by searching the USAAA conference

presenters info.

Blessings,

> >

> > Bayes Achievement Center helped a friend of mine with her

> daughterâ?Ts aggression. http://www.bayescenter.com

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ......amom2amanda

> (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.)

> PHILIPIANS 4:13

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just as Methyl B 12 is helping the methylation pathway, LUPRON is

helping part of this pathway. Their findings are that many on this

therapy begin to chelate naturally due to restoration of glutathione

levels. Many on this therapy no longer need to chelate with script

chelators. (Don't quote me here....I'm not a scientist, just a

mom). The info made sense to me and I followed the lecture well,

but it's hard for me to repeat the info back.

I think this therapy looks very good. As with all drugs it is a

major intervention, however for many the alternative is worse. They

are not reporting any side effects and they will get insurance

coverage for anyone trying this therapy. They monitor this

closely.

I do believe another option may be to take this concept and find a

natural way to supplement or increase estrogen...I don't know, but it

got me thinking.

> > >

> > > Bayes Achievement Center helped a friend of mine with her

> > daughterâ?Ts aggression. http://www.bayescenter.com

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ......amom2amanda

> > (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.)

> > PHILIPIANS 4:13

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Other products like nizoral which eliminates yeast which most of our

kids have, can also lower testosterone. The Geirs research is

interesting but there are other less invasive interventions to try

first.

> > >

> > > Bayes Achievement Center helped a friend of mine with her

> > daughterâ?Ts aggression. http://www.bayescenter.com

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ......amom2amanda

> > (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.)

> > PHILIPIANS 4:13

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Let's all take a " what if " look at something..

What If:

One problem with the teens is that some of them come to a point that they

refuse to take any meds at all. It's

really hard whether you have two parents or one parent to MAKE them take

their meds.

What if:

If you are 5' 4 " and you have a 16 yr old son who is almost 6' constantly

calling you bad names, telling you that they hope you hurry up and die so

they won't have to see your ugly fat face any more, tearing up your house,

breaking doors, making holes in your walls, deliberately stuffing the toilet

w/ things to make it overflow, theatening you, beating on and kicking your

car, grabbing the steering wheel while you are driving and making your life

absolutely miserable every day..... What do you do then? On top of that

make this TWO (2) 16 yr old boys acting this way.

What if:

Insurance will only pay for 2 weeks of treatment and then it's only half of

what the bill is. Treatment centers won't take them unless they walk in on

their own and volunteer to be treated. Yeah sure !! Calling the police

just gets the kids put on probation and then if they get in ANY kind of

trouble before the age of 18 they are put in kid jail. At one point in this

wonderful life journey you are told that there is nothing wrong w/ your

kids, you just don't want to take care of them. That's why you have been

taking them to counciling and psychaitrist(sp)

since they were 4/5 yrs old.

What if:

You are a single parent with a full time job making $11.00 an hour. You

make too much money for ANY kind of help and you can barely afford to pay

bills and eat too, much less pay for treatment for the kids. That's if you

could even get them to go.

What if:

Then let's top that with ...Hey, you have AIDS. Now the going is really

fun. You aren't supposed to be working full time because the stress on you

makes you sicker. But if you don't you can barely afford to buy your own

meds. BUT, if you don't, then you become even more sick. Oh yeah, did I

forget to mention that's it's kinda nice to have food in the

house, electricity, water and gas.

What if:

Another topper...one of the boys and of course it's the one w/ PDD, is now

on drugs and two other kids on drugs live next door and across the street.

Naturally they all go to the same school. This kid is already on probation

and always beats the drug tests so the JPO can't do anything unless he tests

positive. Then at least the child could be sent to a treatment center that

the parent wouldn't have to pay for.

Immediate treatment....relief...whatever.. is needed NOW. Not something

that takes years. Suggestions anyone ? I mean REAL ones. Not send them

to a live-in treatment center for people 21yrs and older (they wouldn't go

anyway).

The best you can do is go to PDAP meetings and try to keep yourself as

straight as possible but if you mention your circumstances at a meeting the

facilitator tells you to get off the cross they need the wood.

Well NOW, that's REALLY helpful.

Is this a hypothetical senario.. not in the least. Unfortunately it's very

real. I know someone living this...EVERY DAY. Another someone said, " Tell

Montel " . Uh huh, his show is off the air now. Even if it weren't do you

want millions of people knowing how YOU live?

Dee C

[Guest guest]

Oh yeah, I forgot to add.

You love these kids so desperately you have been trying everything you can

think of to take care of them..

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:37 AM, Dee Couvillon wrote:

> Let's all take a " what if " look at something..

>

>

> What If:

>

> One problem with the teens is that some of them come to a point that they

> refuse to take any meds at all. It's

> really hard whether you have two parents or one parent to MAKE them take

> their meds.

>

> What if:

> If you are 5' 4 " and you have a 16 yr old son who is almost 6' constantly

> calling you bad names, telling you that they hope you hurry up and die so

> they won't have to see your ugly fat face any more, tearing up your house,

> breaking doors, making holes in your walls, deliberately stuffing the toilet

> w/ things to make it overflow, theatening you, beating on and kicking your

> car, grabbing the steering wheel while you are driving and making your life

> absolutely miserable every day..... What do you do then? On top of that

> make this TWO (2) 16 yr old boys acting this way.

>

> What if:

> Insurance will only pay for 2 weeks of treatment and then it's only half of

> what the bill is. Treatment centers won't take them unless they walk in on

> their own and volunteer to be treated. Yeah sure !! Calling the police

> just gets the kids put on probation and then if they get in ANY kind of

> trouble before the age of 18 they are put in kid jail. At one point in this

> wonderful life journey you are told that there is nothing wrong w/ your

> kids, you just don't want to take care of them. That's why you have been

> taking them to counciling and psychaitrist(sp)

> since they were 4/5 yrs old.

>

> What if:

> You are a single parent with a full time job making $11.00 an hour. You

> make too much money for ANY kind of help and you can barely afford to pay

> bills and eat too, much less pay for treatment for the kids. That's if you

> could even get them to go.

>

> What if:

> Then let's top that with ...Hey, you have AIDS. Now the going is really

> fun. You aren't supposed to be working full time because the stress on you

> makes you sicker. But if you don't you can barely afford to buy your own

> meds. BUT, if you don't, then you become even more sick. Oh yeah, did I

> forget to mention that's it's kinda nice to have food in the

> house, electricity, water and gas.

>

> What if:

> Another topper...one of the boys and of course it's the one w/ PDD, is now

> on drugs and two other kids on drugs live next door and across the street.

> Naturally they all go to the same school. This kid is already on probation

> and always beats the drug tests so the JPO can't do anything unless he tests

> positive. Then at least the child could be sent to a treatment center that

> the parent wouldn't have to pay for.

>

> Immediate treatment....relief...whatever.. is needed NOW. Not something

> that takes years. Suggestions anyone ? I mean REAL ones. Not send them

> to a live-in treatment center for people 21yrs and older (they wouldn't go

> anyway).

>

> The best you can do is go to PDAP meetings and try to keep yourself as

> straight as possible but if you mention your circumstances at a meeting the

> facilitator tells you to get off the cross they need the wood.

> Well NOW, that's REALLY helpful.

>

> Is this a hypothetical senario.. not in the least. Unfortunately it's very

> real. I know someone living this...EVERY DAY. Another someone said, " Tell

> Montel " . Uh huh, his show is off the air now. Even if it weren't do you

> want millions of people knowing how YOU live?

>

> Dee C

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Back when I spoke with the Geiers a couple of years ago about this

protocol, they were only using it in cases where there was a

documented elevated testosterone/precocious puberty situation. Is

that no longer the case? If a child has precocious puberty, Lupron is

standard medicine, so a doc should be ok with prescribing it for that

purpose...

>

> Just as Methyl B 12 is helping the methylation pathway, LUPRON is

> helping part of this pathway. Their findings are that many on

this

> therapy begin to chelate naturally due to restoration of

glutathione

> levels. Many on this therapy no longer need to chelate with

script

> chelators. (Don't quote me here....I'm not a scientist, just a

> mom). The info made sense to me and I followed the lecture well,

> but it's hard for me to repeat the info back.

>

> I think this therapy looks very good. As with all drugs it is a

> major intervention, however for many the alternative is worse.

They

> are not reporting any side effects and they will get insurance

> coverage for anyone trying this therapy. They monitor this

> closely.

>

> I do believe another option may be to take this concept and find a

> natural way to supplement or increase estrogen...I don't know, but

it

> got me thinking.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

These are the kind of stories I thought of when they discussed

Lupron. I believe this to be worth looking into. Insurance

coverage and I believe 500 kids on this therapy....good results.

They talked about kids/adults who needed this doseing because they

would other wise be a life threat to others.

>

> > Let's all take a " what if " look at something..

> >

> >

> > What If:

> >

> > One problem with the teens is that some of them come to a point

that they

> > refuse to take any meds at all. It's

> > really hard whether you have two parents or one parent to MAKE

them take

> > their meds.

> >

> > What if:

> > If you are 5' 4 " and you have a 16 yr old son who is almost 6'

constantly

> > calling you bad names, telling you that they hope you hurry up

and die so

> > they won't have to see your ugly fat face any more, tearing up

your house,

> > breaking doors, making holes in your walls, deliberately stuffing

the toilet

> > w/ things to make it overflow, theatening you, beating on and

kicking your

> > car, grabbing the steering wheel while you are driving and making

your life

> > absolutely miserable every day..... What do you do then? On top

of that

> > make this TWO (2) 16 yr old boys acting this way.

> >

> > What if:

> > Insurance will only pay for 2 weeks of treatment and then it's

only half of

> > what the bill is. Treatment centers won't take them unless they

walk in on

> > their own and volunteer to be treated. Yeah sure !! Calling the

police

> > just gets the kids put on probation and then if they get in ANY

kind of

> > trouble before the age of 18 they are put in kid jail. At one

point in this

> > wonderful life journey you are told that there is nothing wrong

w/ your

> > kids, you just don't want to take care of them. That's why you

have been

> > taking them to counciling and psychaitrist(sp)

> > since they were 4/5 yrs old.

> >

> > What if:

> > You are a single parent with a full time job making $11.00 an

hour. You

> > make too much money for ANY kind of help and you can barely

afford to pay

> > bills and eat too, much less pay for treatment for the kids.

That's if you

> > could even get them to go.

> >

> > What if:

> > Then let's top that with ...Hey, you have AIDS. Now the going is

really

> > fun. You aren't supposed to be working full time because the

stress on you

> > makes you sicker. But if you don't you can barely afford to buy

your own

> > meds. BUT, if you don't, then you become even more sick. Oh

yeah, did I

> > forget to mention that's it's kinda nice to have food in the

> > house, electricity, water and gas.

> >

> > What if:

> > Another topper...one of the boys and of course it's the one w/

PDD, is now

> > on drugs and two other kids on drugs live next door and across

the street.

> > Naturally they all go to the same school. This kid is already on

probation

> > and always beats the drug tests so the JPO can't do anything

unless he tests

> > positive. Then at least the child could be sent to a treatment

center that

> > the parent wouldn't have to pay for.

> >

> > Immediate treatment....relief...whatever.. is needed NOW. Not

something

> > that takes years. Suggestions anyone ? I mean REAL ones. Not

send them

> > to a live-in treatment center for people 21yrs and older (they

wouldn't go

> > anyway).

> >

> > The best you can do is go to PDAP meetings and try to keep

yourself as

> > straight as possible but if you mention your circumstances at a

meeting the

> > facilitator tells you to get off the cross they need the wood.

> > Well NOW, that's REALLY helpful.

> >

> > Is this a hypothetical senario.. not in the least. Unfortunately

it's very

> > real. I know someone living this...EVERY DAY. Another someone

said, " Tell

> > Montel " . Uh huh, his show is off the air now. Even if it

weren't do you

> > want millions of people knowing how YOU live?

> >

> > Dee C

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Please become well informed with lupron and side effects before

opting to ask for this medicine.

http://www.drugs.com/lupron.html

http://womenshealth.about.com/cs/hormones/a/lupron.htm

http://www.medicinenet.com/leuprolide-injection/article.htm

http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=19010 & name=LUPRON

Nagla

> >

> > Just as Methyl B 12 is helping the methylation pathway, LUPRON is

> > helping part of this pathway. Their findings are that many on

> this

> > therapy begin to chelate naturally due to restoration of

> glutathione

> > levels. Many on this therapy no longer need to chelate with

> script

> > chelators. (Don't quote me here....I'm not a scientist, just a

> > mom). The info made sense to me and I followed the lecture

well,

> > but it's hard for me to repeat the info back.

> >

> > I think this therapy looks very good. As with all drugs it is

a

> > major intervention, however for many the alternative is worse.

> They

> > are not reporting any side effects and they will get insurance

> > coverage for anyone trying this therapy. They monitor this

> > closely.

> >

> > I do believe another option may be to take this concept and find

a

> > natural way to supplement or increase estrogen...I don't know,

but

> it

> > got me thinking.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well, let's see. The first paragraph..oh yeah. These kids WON'T TAKE

MEDS. You could spend $2000.00 and it still won't help if the kids won't

take their meds.

Kids like these need to be in a residential treatment center that actually

teaches them how a regular person is supposed to live and act. Both of

these boys have spent time at the Waco Center for Youth. When they first

came home they were very much improved and were a complete delight to be

around. At least they acted like " plain ole kids'. Give them a few months

and the old behaviors started again. Nothing was done. Both boys have been

on probation, were supposed to be given Anger Management (it was in their

court papers mandated(?) by the judge) but neither got it.

Even the probation officers haven't done their job. In fact one JPO

complained that the reason she took that job was because she wanted to

help kids in need. But she hasn't helped a one. Everyone of her kids have

ended up back in jail. She didn't understand it. All she did the whole

time was threaten the child with consequences but never followed through.

So naturally the child got away with all his behaviors and nothing was ever

done about it. At the time this one particular child was given to the

widowed grandmother to live with. Nothing changed for this child. He was

put in a neighborhood school that did everything they could think of to kick

him out. Thankfully the grandmother knew what to do and who to call. Even

so, the child is still acting up now that he is back home with his mother

and brother. By the way, the JPO quit her job two days after the

grandmother tried to make her be accountable for not doing her job. The

child was taken off probation 1 month early for " good behavior " .

Well, that's it for me. Obviously no-one else can think of anything that

will help this parent. She will die from her disease and no-one in the

family is able to take care of the boys because no-one can handle them.

They are loved by everyone in the family but sometimes love is not enough.

Dee C

In the meantime, one boy spends the whole summer and all the weekends at

grandmas' house to give the mother some kind of relief. At least she only

has to contend w/ one violent kid instead of two.

> These are the kind of stories I thought of when they discussed

> Lupron. I believe this to be worth looking into. Insurance

> coverage and I believe 500 kids on this therapy....good results.

> They talked about kids/adults who needed this doseing because they

> would other wise be a life threat to others.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > Let's all take a " what if " look at something..

> > >

> > >

> > > What If:

> > >

> > > One problem with the teens is that some of them come to a point

> that they

> > > refuse to take any meds at all. It's

> > > really hard whether you have two parents or one parent to MAKE

> them take

> > > their meds.

> > >

> > > What if:

> > > If you are 5' 4 " and you have a 16 yr old son who is almost 6'

> constantly

> > > calling you bad names, telling you that they hope you hurry up

> and die so

> > > they won't have to see your ugly fat face any more, tearing up

> your house,

> > > breaking doors, making holes in your walls, deliberately stuffing

> the toilet

> > > w/ things to make it overflow, theatening you, beating on and

> kicking your

> > > car, grabbing the steering wheel while you are driving and making

> your life

> > > absolutely miserable every day..... What do you do then? On top

> of that

> > > make this TWO (2) 16 yr old boys acting this way.

> > >

> > > What if:

> > > Insurance will only pay for 2 weeks of treatment and then it's

> only half of

> > > what the bill is. Treatment centers won't take them unless they

> walk in on

> > > their own and volunteer to be treated. Yeah sure !! Calling the

> police

> > > just gets the kids put on probation and then if they get in ANY

> kind of

> > > trouble before the age of 18 they are put in kid jail. At one

> point in this

> > > wonderful life journey you are told that there is nothing wrong

> w/ your

> > > kids, you just don't want to take care of them. That's why you

> have been

> > > taking them to counciling and psychaitrist(sp)

> > > since they were 4/5 yrs old.

> > >

> > > What if:

> > > You are a single parent with a full time job making $11.00 an

> hour. You

> > > make too much money for ANY kind of help and you can barely

> afford to pay

> > > bills and eat too, much less pay for treatment for the kids.

> That's if you

> > > could even get them to go.

> > >

> > > What if:

> > > Then let's top that with ...Hey, you have AIDS. Now the going is

> really

> > > fun. You aren't supposed to be working full time because the

> stress on you

> > > makes you sicker. But if you don't you can barely afford to buy

> your own

> > > meds. BUT, if you don't, then you become even more sick. Oh

> yeah, did I

> > > forget to mention that's it's kinda nice to have food in the

> > > house, electricity, water and gas.

> > >

> > > What if:

> > > Another topper...one of the boys and of course it's the one w/

> PDD, is now

> > > on drugs and two other kids on drugs live next door and across

> the street.

> > > Naturally they all go to the same school. This kid is already on

> probation

> > > and always beats the drug tests so the JPO can't do anything

> unless he tests

> > > positive. Then at least the child could be sent to a treatment

> center that

> > > the parent wouldn't have to pay for.

> > >

> > > Immediate treatment....relief...whatever.. is needed NOW. Not

> something

> > > that takes years. Suggestions anyone ? I mean REAL ones. Not

> send them

> > > to a live-in treatment center for people 21yrs and older (they

> wouldn't go

> > > anyway).

> > >

> > > The best you can do is go to PDAP meetings and try to keep

> yourself as

> > > straight as possible but if you mention your circumstances at a

> meeting the

> > > facilitator tells you to get off the cross they need the wood.

> > > Well NOW, that's REALLY helpful.

> > >

> > > Is this a hypothetical senario.. not in the least. Unfortunately

> it's very

> > > real. I know someone living this...EVERY DAY. Another someone

> said, " Tell

> > > Montel " . Uh huh, his show is off the air now. Even if it

> weren't do you

> > > want millions of people knowing how YOU live?

> > >

> > > Dee C

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Lupron is not near as expensive as some other drugs. I took it for

IVF, and it is an easy shot to give and take. It is like taking the

Insulin shot. The needle is short, and if you don't stab, it can be

given without someone really knowing it. My husband would do it with

me, I would close my eyes and never see or feel it and he was

through. But it's all in how you break the skin, and it is water

based, not oil based.

> > >

> > > Just as Methyl B 12 is helping the methylation pathway, LUPRON

is

> > > helping part of this pathway. Their findings are that many on

> > this

> > > therapy begin to chelate naturally due to restoration of

> > glutathione

> > > levels. Many on this therapy no longer need to chelate with

> > script

> > > chelators. (Don't quote me here....I'm not a scientist, just

a

> > > mom). The info made sense to me and I followed the lecture

> well,

> > > but it's hard for me to repeat the info back.

> > >

> > > I think this therapy looks very good. As with all drugs it

is

> a

> > > major intervention, however for many the alternative is worse.

> > They

> > > are not reporting any side effects and they will get insurance

> > > coverage for anyone trying this therapy. They monitor this

> > > closely.

> > >

> > > I do believe another option may be to take this concept and

find

> a

> > > natural way to supplement or increase estrogen...I don't know,

> but

> > it

> > > got me thinking.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

" one of the boys and of course it's the one w/ PDD, is now on drugs

and two other kids on drugs live next door and across the street. "

That child would be flat A$$ broke. No lunch money, not any money,

not .01$. He'd be naked from selling the shoes off of his feet for a

Starbucks.

And I can't imagine though, a PDD or Autism child beating a psych

evaluation, no matter how brilliant they are. It amazes me that

these children can fall through the legal cracks as well. I get the

medical craters, but you would hope the legal system could step up

and help this mother to find treatment for her child if insurance

fails. This is so, so very sad. Yet another child that society kicks

to the curb.

> > >

> > > > Let's all take a " what if " look at something..

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > What If:

> > > >

> > > > One problem with the teens is that some of them come to a

point

> > that they

> > > > refuse to take any meds at all. It's

> > > > really hard whether you have two parents or one parent to MAKE

> > them take

> > > > their meds.

> > > >

> > > > What if:

> > > > If you are 5' 4 " and you have a 16 yr old son who is almost 6'

> > constantly

> > > > calling you bad names, telling you that they hope you hurry up

> > and die so

> > > > they won't have to see your ugly fat face any more, tearing up

> > your house,

> > > > breaking doors, making holes in your walls, deliberately

stuffing

> > the toilet

> > > > w/ things to make it overflow, theatening you, beating on and

> > kicking your

> > > > car, grabbing the steering wheel while you are driving and

making

> > your life

> > > > absolutely miserable every day..... What do you do then? On

top

> > of that

> > > > make this TWO (2) 16 yr old boys acting this way.

> > > >

> > > > What if:

> > > > Insurance will only pay for 2 weeks of treatment and then it's

> > only half of

> > > > what the bill is. Treatment centers won't take them unless

they

> > walk in on

> > > > their own and volunteer to be treated. Yeah sure !! Calling

the

> > police

> > > > just gets the kids put on probation and then if they get in

ANY

> > kind of

> > > > trouble before the age of 18 they are put in kid jail. At one

> > point in this

> > > > wonderful life journey you are told that there is nothing

wrong

> > w/ your

> > > > kids, you just don't want to take care of them. That's why you

> > have been

> > > > taking them to counciling and psychaitrist(sp)

> > > > since they were 4/5 yrs old.

> > > >

> > > > What if:

> > > > You are a single parent with a full time job making $11.00 an

> > hour. You

> > > > make too much money for ANY kind of help and you can barely

> > afford to pay

> > > > bills and eat too, much less pay for treatment for the kids.

> > That's if you

> > > > could even get them to go.

> > > >

> > > > What if:

> > > > Then let's top that with ...Hey, you have AIDS. Now the going

is

> > really

> > > > fun. You aren't supposed to be working full time because the

> > stress on you

> > > > makes you sicker. But if you don't you can barely afford to

buy

> > your own

> > > > meds. BUT, if you don't, then you become even more sick. Oh

> > yeah, did I

> > > > forget to mention that's it's kinda nice to have food in the

> > > > house, electricity, water and gas.

> > > >

> > > > What if:

> > > > Another topper...one of the boys and of course it's the one w/

> > PDD, is now

> > > > on drugs and two other kids on drugs live next door and across

> > the street.

> > > > Naturally they all go to the same school. This kid is already

on

> > probation

> > > > and always beats the drug tests so the JPO can't do anything

> > unless he tests

> > > > positive. Then at least the child could be sent to a treatment

> > center that

> > > > the parent wouldn't have to pay for.

> > > >

> > > > Immediate treatment....relief...whatever.. is needed NOW. Not

> > something

> > > > that takes years. Suggestions anyone ? I mean REAL ones. Not

> > send them

> > > > to a live-in treatment center for people 21yrs and older (they

> > wouldn't go

> > > > anyway).

> > > >

> > > > The best you can do is go to PDAP meetings and try to keep

> > yourself as

> > > > straight as possible but if you mention your circumstances at

a

> > meeting the

> > > > facilitator tells you to get off the cross they need the wood.

> > > > Well NOW, that's REALLY helpful.

> > > >

> > > > Is this a hypothetical senario.. not in the least.

Unfortunately

> > it's very

> > > > real. I know someone living this...EVERY DAY. Another someone

> > said, " Tell

> > > > Montel " . Uh huh, his show is off the air now. Even if it

> > weren't do you

> > > > want millions of people knowing how YOU live?

> > > >

> > > > Dee C

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >