Re: sick child

[Guest guest]

You drink the milk right? How about any other people? I'd say she got too many fruits at one time. My kids have iron tummies but if they eat too many of any fruit they will get the trots.

A few things that you might consider:

GI mucormycosis or zygomycosis: fungus infection from decaying plant material.

Camphylobacter: bacteria from poultry

Acute Gastroenteritis: basically, just a stomach flu

Worms: from ingesting soil material

Salmonella/Shigella: transmitted by fecal:oral route...perhaps wild turkeys defacated on the soil she put in her mouth

These are more common. Of course there are more rare, genetic disorders, but this sounds like an acute infection of some type. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion of milk. If the raw milk is processed in a properly cleaned environment and no obvious contamination, probably safe. I would consider other things.

[Guest guest]

A few things that you might consider:GI mucormycosis or zygomycosis: fungus infection from decaying plant material.Camphylobacter: bacteria from poultryAcute Gastroenteritis: basically, just a stomach flu

Worms: from ingesting soil materialSalmonella/Shigella: transmitted by fecal:oral route...perhaps wild turkeys defacated on the soil she put in her mouthThese are more common. Of course there are more rare, genetic disorders, but this sounds like an acute infection of some type. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion of milk. If the raw milk is processed in a properly cleaned environment and no obvious contamination, probably safe. I would consider other things.

My 18 month old granddaughter came down sick yesterday after

spending a day on our farm. She was running around in the garden with her

cousin, browsing berries, grapes, corn, etc. She also had some of our raw

milk. Her symptoms are serious diarrhea, and vomiting with some blood in

both. My daughter called me with this information, and asked about the

milk. I told her that I wouldn't automatically suspect the

milk. They are culturing for whatever, and suspicious that it might be

e-coli. We won't know for several days. The little cousins

were caught picking up apples from the ground and took a bite before we could

stop them. There were wild turkeys in the yard a few days previous,

eating those same apples. There are also way too many birds, quail and

starlings pooping in our garden. I also looked up asparagus berries for

toxicity, since I know she is attracted to these berries, and we have to stop

her from popping them into her mouth. I didn't find any indication

that the berries are toxic.

I'm just checking in with this group for any

information that you might think I can use.

Janet in CA

-- Warmly, V. " No pessimist ever discovered the secret of the stars, or sailed to an uncharted land, or opened a new doorway for the human spirit. " Helen Keller

[Guest guest]

an easy, possibly effective remedy is a teaspoon of living vinegar (like Solano... brand) in 1/2 glass of water....the acid will kill bad bacteria in the digestive system and give a boost to the good lactous loving bacteria.....city kids are over sensitive to farm buggies, and will build up immunity.  (also, a potassium iodide supplement strengthens the thyroid) Trivia  andra  My 18 month old granddaughter came down sick yesterday after spending a day on our farm.  She was running around in the garden with her cousin, browsing berries, grapes, corn, etc.  She also had some of our raw milk.  Her symptoms are serious diarrhea, and vomiting with some blood in both.  My daughter called me with this information, and asked about the milk.  I told her that I wouldn’t automatically suspect the milk.  They are culturing for whatever, and suspicious that it might be e-coli.  We won’t know for several days.  The little cousins were caught picking up apples from the ground and took a bite before we could stop them.   There were wild turkeys in the yard a few days previous, eating those same apples.  There are also way too many birds, quail and starlings pooping in our garden.  I also looked up asparagus berries for toxicity, since I know she is attracted to these berries, and we have to stop her from popping them into her mouth.  I didn’t find any indication that the berries are toxic. I’m just checking in with this group for any information that you might think I can use.  Janet in CA

[Guest guest]

If she was "grazing" on fruit, more than she is used to, that could very easily cause her problems. I have to be careful how many grapes I eat at one time, they will give me a tummy ache.

Cactus

Subject: sick childTo: RawDairy Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 8:10 AM

My 18 month old granddaughter came down sick yesterday after spending a day on our farm. She was running around in the garden with her cousin, browsing berries, grapes, corn, etc. She also had some of our raw milk. Her symptoms are serious diarrhea, and vomiting with some blood in both. My daughter called me with this information, and asked about the milk. I told her that I wouldn¢t automatically suspect the milk. They are culturing for whatever, and suspicious that it might be e-coli. We won¢t know for several days. The little cousins were caught picking up apples from the ground and took a bite before we could stop them. There were wild turkeys in the yard a few days previous, eating those same apples. There are also way too many birds, quail and starlings pooping in our garden. I also looked up asparagus berries for toxicity, since I know she is attracted to

these berries, and we have to stop her from popping them into her mouth. I didn¢t find any indication that the berries are toxic.

I¢m just checking in with this group for any information that you might think I can use.

Janet in CA

[Guest guest]

Your right not to immediately assume milk is the culprit. When my son had salmonella the symptoms were much like what you describe. We got it from chicken hotdogs.

I would supplement with electrolytes and yogurt/kefir to get her evened back out again. The turkeys and apples could have caused issues I would think.

They gave him antibiotics and it actually prolonged it. Doc told us later they shouldn't have prescribe them but I had gone to emergency etc. She said it was better to keep him hydrated and buy acidopholus capsules and feed him those at bed time as well as yogurt/kefir during the day to heal his gut. Due to the antibiotics he had trouble for years.

Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canada"A successful man is one who can build afoundation with the bricks that others throw at him.”

-- Brinkley--

Re: sick child

an easy, possibly effective remedy is a teaspoon of living vinegar (like Solano... brand) in 1/2 glass of water....the acid will kill bad bacteria in the digestive system and give a boost to the good lactous loving bacteria.....city kids are over sensitive to farm buggies, and will build up immunity. (also, a potassium iodide supplement strengthens the thyroid) Trivia andra

My 18 month old granddaughter came down sick yesterday after spending a day on our farm. She was running around in the garden with her cousin, browsing berries, grapes, corn, etc. She also had some of our raw milk. Her symptoms are serious diarrhea, and vomiting with some blood in both. My daughter called me with this information, and asked about the milk. I told her that I wouldn’t automatically suspect the milk. They are culturing for whatever, and suspicious that it might be e-coli. We won’t know for several days. The little cousins were caught picking up apples from the ground and took a bite before we could stop them. There were wild turkeys in the yard a few days previous, eating those same apples. There are also way too many birds, quail and starlings pooping in our garden. I also looked up asparagus berries for toxicity, since I know she is attracted to these berries, and we have to stop her from popping them into her mouth. I didn’t find any indication that the berries are toxic.

I’m just checking in with this group for any information that you might think I can use.

Janet in CA